No More CompStat?
We just noticed, but it seems that CompStat went away. Brownie didn't care for the way the Deputy in charge tried to make himself look impotent by belittling every other exempt. When he left, CompStat died as a citywide endeavor. There are still some Area-wide CompStat Junior meetings, but as a whole, it's gone.
Anyone know why the dozens (if not tens-of-dozens) of bean-counters weren't immediately returned to the streets to alleviate the now-constant shortages of manpower? Every District we worked had at least three people who did nothing but run reports and count tickets and HQ had at least a watch worth of people running numbers.
It might even ease the parking crunch at Fort Fellatio to send forty of fifty people back to the Districts
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
45 Comments:
Area compstats still require the same number crunch and as far as area 4 goes the same scrutinity and belittling.
As said , the real reform if anyone is reading this at city hall is get rid of compstat- running activity & thinking TSSS cards do anything.
Did Lemmer finally go? Was the cake and coffee party in a broom closet? Someone tell Lt. Hoover. He didn’t get the memo.
Let's empty out the fifth floor at headquarters
It’s called the “Friends and Family Unit.” The majority of the officers and supervisors all live withIn 10 blocks of each other in MTG. Siblings too. Pretty nice, how did that work out?!?!
That 3yr bean counter from 014 could finally put on his duty belt and hit the streets.
Ya never know, might be gone because of lawsuits in the works. ACLU was always sniffing around. R.I.P. Compstat.
Probably for the best. There is no room for the numbers game in a beautiful, liberal paradise like Chicago.
Finally. What a waste of time, money and resources. How it lasted this long is amazing. That someone thought calling up your department leaders then berating them in front of all their peers was a good idea is mind blowing. This should be buried forever and never resurrected. Prob the most destructive thing that happened to the cpd because it turned every cmdr into a scared shitless school girl every time compstat rolled around and then they demanded numbers from their troops just so they wouldn’t look bad at compstat. This turned into stops just for numbers, pushing the envelope on arrests to make the cmdr look good. Terrible terrible idea and horrible way to police. Exactly what’s wrong with policing these days and why people are rioting and hating the police.
At some point policing turned from a profession of helping people, to a profession of numbers. All they look for are numbers. Arrests, isr’s, movers, blue cards, anovs, parkers. Constantly analyzing your numbers and “what’s you’re bringing in.” Why isn’t it ok to just go out there and answer your jobs and in between ride around and keep a presence and look around for bad things happening and just talk with people? Why do we constantly have to be harassing the public and stopping them and ticketing them and bringing in numbers. That’s not what this job should be about. Compstat took it to a whole other level.
Once a bean, always a bean.
CPD has it's own Deep State and it's called CLOUT.
Notice these programs come in with great fanfare but leave
like a thief in the night. Makes ya wonder if we really needed
it in the first place.
Hey, do we need Florian to find out where the unused funds
will be allocated? Budgets abhor a vacuum. The money
usually goes to an equal or bigger program.
Compstat is not dead it’s just on a little hiatus. It’ll be back in a new and improved form that everybody will hate even more.
OT:
Fatass has the whuhan. He blames a meeting he had earlier with a trade group. Wasnt he in WI last weekend at a bar? Contact tracing gonna figure out who gave it to him for the 2nd time this year?
There needs to be a Compstat or else PO’s and Bosses wouldn’t know how to navigate through Clear and Caboodle and two... The Soup and the 1st Dep and his staff have let the department flail in the wind, with no direction or sense of urgency. A world class department and its run like the fucking glee club.
Anonymous said...
It’s called the “Friends and Family Unit.” The majority of the officers and supervisors all live withIn 10 blocks of each other in MTG. Siblings too. Pretty nice, how did that work out?!?!
11/07/2020 12:14:00 AM
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Yeah, and these same people do nothing to try and get more manpower into 022. They live there and don't give a damn about the neighborhood, the officers......
""oh your mistaken we have no clout""
The house mouseketeers are going nowhere. They will find something else for them to do that is a total waste of time. The white man invented comcrap, another reason it must stop.
Nows a great time to hide any future inner city murders. Everyone is focused on the election scandals, so there’s no air time left for homicides by Black males.
At some point policing turned from a profession of helping people, to a profession of numbers. All they look for are numbers. Arrests, isr’s, movers, blue cards, anovs, parkers. Constantly analyzing your numbers and “what’s you’re bringing in.” Why isn’t it ok to just go out there and answer your jobs and in between ride around and keep a presence and look around for bad things happening and just talk with people? Why do we constantly have to be harassing the public and stopping them and ticketing them and bringing in numbers. That’s not what this job should be about. Compstat took it to a whole other leveL.
Very well said, and agree 100%.
Compstat was bullshit from jump street. Police work isnt like the private sector with numbers to hit each month. Only nonpolice bosses liked this idea, they were the same guys who never made a felony arrest in their whole career.
if the numbers are garbage.
why not call it compost?
6:07 AM
FatAss has the Whuhan.
And he's morbidly obese and most likely somewhat
hpertensive. That China Flu would put a big strain
on his heart. As it is, it gets a workout everytime he
throws back a whole leg of lamb or rack of ribs.
These are challenging times.
Compstat run its course and perhaps algorithms can no longer be overridden with positive results. That’s usually the order in which costly bad ideas fade away. Could also be a budget cut effort too, Compstat was merely a mayoral talking point that hid rising crime facts.
By the way, Hushed Brown doesn’t or hasn’t been on the podium much either. He was stymied by Larri and didn’t deliver a quarterly Crime Is Down - We’re Making Great Progress But Have a Lot of Work To Do™️ media press conference in October.
Mismanaged HQ HouseMouse Contingent will go on to the next big great idea in the 21st Century playbook, compiling stats related to reforms.
On track for 750 Murders and not a single ComStastic strategy worked.
Hashed Brown is making Jugghaid SpecialEd look like a genius...you can’t get much lower than that...in these challenging times.
It was a total waste of time.
I am telling my age. When I was a Police Cadet in a district my main job was to count the tickets from all three watches and record them on a tally sheet and send them to traffic court. I would then record the tickets on another tally sheet and enter on which officer wrote the ticket. I would count the parking tickets and record them on another sheet and send them to traffic section. I would also count the curfews and school absentees, enter them on a tally sheet and send them to juvenile headquarters When I was all done I would go home with time to spare. The way it is today I was way under paid.
Because they are all trying to make up new positions at 35th to fill for them. You don’t hit the streets after being they’re. You’re now part of the club...
What boss ran compstat
SCC you just scared the shit out of 1000 35th & Mich armed clerks
and another 1000 armed paper pushers in the districts.
It's easy to see the ones who read this post, they're starting at their computer,
not typing or reading. A zombie look of deer in the headlights.
No one will return to the streets. Doesn’t work that way. Will only add more
Another waste of time for the clown car club of exempt Ranks who are laughable anyway waste of time!!
What would all the dollies do if they actually had to leave their inside desk jobs and do the job they were hired to do?
Retired NYPD here. Compstat is useful if done right. It’s a way to direct resources. “Cops on dots.” The problem is when it becomes weaponized to bludgeon precinct commanders who in turn beat cops for numbers. It was a beast that was never satisfied. THAT is the problem with compstat.
The unquenchable thirst by "Police Executives" for
"activity" is what put The Police on the "activity"
carnival ride which leads to the questionable practices
to garner said "activity" that played a major part in CPD
being put in the consent decree/onerous civilian oversight
pickle it's in.
No?
It might even ease the parking crunch at Fort Fellatio to send forty of fifty people back to the Districts
Hah! Surely you jest SCC!
Fort Felatio is constantly increasing its members while the districts are cut to the bone.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
What would all the dollies do if they actually had to leave their inside desk jobs and do the job they were hired to do?
11/07/2020 07:36:00 PM
Exactly what they are doing now
Wow these bean counter comments are coming from a lot of haters! One you don't know everyone's story and two some of these so called bean counters probably work much harder then you have in your whole career! Some of these positions require some brains and it's non stop work with very little down time! And guess what the work need to get done and someone needs to do it and most people don't want to do it! and some of these bean counters are working their asses off during the mass of overtime coming in and making sure your shit is correct and your getting paid your overtime appropriately and on time! So, GTFOH !
Wow these bean counter comments are coming from a lot of haters! One you don't know everyone's story and two some of these so called bean counters probably work much harder then you have in your whole career! Some of these positions require some brains and it's non stop work with very little down time! And guess what the work need to get done and someone needs to do it and most people don't want to do it! and some of these bean counters are working their asses off during the mass of overtime coming in and making sure your shit is correct and your getting paid your overtime appropriately and on time! So, GTFOH !
To Mr Retired NYPD, I think you are wrong.
You can put “cops on the dots” without berating the command staff.
In fact, it was done for generations.
The sole purpose of Compstat was to increase activity through fear, don’t give me that nonsense about “cops on the dots.”
That’s EXACTLY what the DOC meetings did. Compstat just turned up the embarrassment and anxiety.
Hell, CPIC puts cops on the dots too. How many levels of redundancy do you need?
We would’ve appreciated it if you’d have kept your failed program out East, along with McCarthy.
Btw- our pizza and hog dogs are better too!
At some point policing turned from a profession of helping people, to a profession of numbers. All they look for are numbers. Arrests, isr’s, movers, blue cards, anovs, parkers. Constantly analyzing your numbers and “what’s you’re bringing in.” Why isn’t it ok to just go out there and answer your jobs and in between ride around and keep a presence and look around for bad things happening and just talk with people? Why do we constantly have to be harassing the public and stopping them and ticketing them and bringing in numbers. That’s not what this job should be about. Compstat took it to a whole other leveL.
Very well said, and agree 100%.
I agree also, the numbers game has been around for my entire 25 years on the job, but it got insane during the IP Gary McCarthy reign. He is the reason we are in a consent degree, but we can also blame Rahm and Barry. They helped with the demise of the CPD.
Anonymous said...
The unquenchable thirst by "Police Executives" for
"activity" is what put The Police on the "activity"
carnival ride which leads to the questionable practices
to garner said "activity" that played a major part in CPD
being put in the consent decree/onerous civilian oversight
pickle it's in.
No?
11/08/2020 12:57:00 AM
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Give them the numbers commensurate with the support provide to the rank and file. Zeros are the numbers appropriate for the level of their support both historically and currently.
Anonymous said...
Retired NYPD here. Compstat is useful if done right. It’s a way to direct resources. “Cops on dots.” The problem is when it becomes weaponized to bludgeon precinct commanders who in turn beat cops for numbers. It was a beast that was never satisfied. THAT is the problem with compstat.
11/07/2020 10:06:00 PM
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Your point is well taken. However here in Murder City, it has been weaponized to a fine art. The political hacks and staff Mutts use the tool to pit Field Bosses against one another. They are shamed into making bad choices to feed the "beast" and look good. They brow beat the front line officers into tough situations and no backing when things go south. Morale within the Department is nil. This is 1950's policing strategies in the 21st century.
Our current modern police strategy is using the police to clean up the streets, collect garbage and do other mundane tasks that the community should be doing. I think that's called community responsibility and currently that too, is out dated in Murder City. Wondering out loud here, if this brilliant strategy has anything to do with the almost 700 murders and nearly 3700 shootings and maiming that routinely occurs here. Just sayin....
Keep the faith brother and stay in touch. Watching the mobs rule the streets of NYC is difficult to watch. Seeing a great city like MYC driven into ruination, as ours is, is most troubling. We are with NYPD in fidelity and comradery and we are all part of the Thin Blue Line. Enjoy retirement, you earned it.
Wow these bean counter comments are coming from a lot of haters! One you don't know everyone's story and two some of these so called bean counters probably work much harder then you have in your whole career! Some of these positions require some brains and it's non stop work with very little down time! And guess what the work need to get done and someone needs to do it and most people don't want to do it! and some of these bean counters are working their asses off during the mass of overtime coming in and making sure your shit is correct and your getting paid your overtime appropriately and on time! So, GTFOH !
Keep believing your own bs my friend, you were hired to be the police not an armed secretary. So stop your crying and continue counting the beans. Most of the bean counters have never been the police and have never made a felony arrest. There is no justification for some one with less then 20 years on the job to be inside unless it is a serious IOD.
Aside from my ribbing about your pizza and hot dogs, (I really do like Chicago Pizza, just don’t tell anyone in NY) we are a brotherhood and sisterhood. Thank you for your kind thoughts about us in NY, and every injury and death you guys sustain in Chicago we also feel it personally too. You guys in CPD have always been there for us in the NYPD and we will always be there for you guys too. Take care all of you guys. Stay safe.
Kids don't chase the numbers. Bosses will not be with you in court. Thats on period.
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