A Visual Representation
So when a District is down 50% manpower, this is what it looks like when two jobs come out:
Two jobs, and the District is left with two cars covering all the District.
That's a safety issue if nothing else, especially considering the size of 017.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
57 Comments:
Safety issue? 19p. Stop responding to calls
99s?
Shouldn’t we be discussing whose really getting the first Covid shots? Let’s not lose this in the media but LL and her entire family come first. Followed by fat ass and his, do as I say not as I do, hypocritical nonsense. (He may need a longer needle to penetrate that sturdy layer of slop wrapped around him).
The truly sad part is no one will ever report how many of these shots actually make it to where they belong. By the time the self important and clout heavy get theirs, how many will be actually left for the front liners.
Guess who doesn’t give a rats ass about your 92 year old mother. Yours doesn’t count and neither do you. You can take that to the bank folks.
Yup, just like I remember, no help, not ever. Can you imagine there was a shooting. They'd have to get 025 to handle the south end and 020 to handle the north end with E.R. assisting on the west end.
Honestly, I’d be afraid to do any proactive police work in fear that if it turned into anything hairy, I would have no backup whatsoever.
Absolutely disgusting. Brothers in 017 I’m sorry. This is not the way this job is supposed to be. The (non) leaders we have in power currently have no idea what they are doing and how it is effecting the everyday beat coo. The backbone of this department.
I’ve got to blame the leadership of that district for letting the manpower get that dangerously low. There has to be something they can do. Speak up for your people for Pete’s sake. It’s your job to number one above all else ensure the safety of the people you command. When sheets look like this, You are not doing your job.
Everyone knows the commander is just waiting out his time till retirement. He won’t speak up for his troops because he’s too afraid to lose his precious gold star. So downtown just shits all over the district, including giving us the biggest jerk off captain in the entire city.
Fucking sickening.
That’s a good night for 017. Does Sauganash know that their beat car is never up. Ever? And they wonder why their cars are constantly getting broken into and houses and garages burglarized. There’s NO police up there. Ever. Same goes for old Irving most nights. Sorry to be the bearer or bad news, but u should know that you’re on your own.
Don’t worry, the community safety team has over a 1000 officers that could help out up in 017, but alas they only work a couple hours a day shuffling around the west side getting blue cards. It’s not like they’re needed to fill beat cars or anything.
Thank GOD for C.S.T. all the man power and time due you need suckas.
In districts like 015 every job is always close, but 017, 016, 004 a lot of traveling time if you need help and
more of a chance of a traffic crash when responding from a long distance.
This is what Lightfoot wanted. Defund and demoralize the police. Chicago’s going to have one hell of a recruiting problem very soon. Massive resignations and retirements and zero interest in law enforcement. All other departments are using lateral transfers to attract trained officers, save money, and keep up with attrition. What’s Chicago going to do? Working for Lightfoot isn’t very appealing for young kids. No contract 4 years and forced residency too. All the surrounding departments don’t force residency and are actually nice to their police officers. Unfortunately the aldermen are weak.
Two of those cars were "99" units. That is prima facia evidence of why this department is FUBAR.
They should just close 017 like they did the 013 years back.. split the district up between two neighboring districts...maybe close 020 as well. It’s obvious the bosses feel the two districts are not busy enough to man watches for calls. Save money by closing the two stations. Then see how the Alderman and citizens cry..lol..
Its gonna get worse as more retirements are on the horizon and the city can't stop that!
31 MAY 1994
I also retired out of 017. Going back 10 yrs, 017 was not as slow as it's reputation would have you believe. There were few bosses that passed through that had any stones. More often than not the sheets were low on all three watches. It was a regular practice on 1st & 2nd watch that the station was maned by one person and that person was often a blue shirt. The radio room in 017 is upstairs, so that left the desk with no BODY if the po went upstairs or
went to the head, and yes that po signed all the paper work.
When I first got on, 011, an old timer suggested keeping a copy of the sheets, " there is going to be a lawsuit someday with all the bs put on the sheets". After seeing for myself the bs, I started keeping copies. The only thing I ended up with was a pile of paper. That old saying that every dog gets his day, that to is bs.
great news for the crooks....im sure they are practicing their bank robbery skills right now.
What are the property taxes like in Old Irving, that’s 017 I think.
You can’t be any safer than fetal
Six cars and one supervisor?!?! Holy shit is that a recipe for disaster. What’s even more amazing is that both CWB and SCC have been covering this story for probably more than a month and yet not one major media outlet has picked up the manpower shortage. I guess it’s going to take either some sort of massacre or some other major incident for this to make the news. Fucking pathetic !
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Shouldn’t we be discussing whose really getting the first Covid shots? Let’s not lose this in the media but LL and her entire family come first. Followed by fat ass and his, do as I say not as I do, hypocritical nonsense. (He may need a longer needle to penetrate that sturdy layer of slop wrapped around him).
The truly sad part is no one will ever report how many of these shots actually make it to where they belong. By the time the self important and clout heavy get theirs, how many will be actually left for the front liners.
Guess who doesn’t give a rats ass about your 92 year old mother. Yours doesn’t count and neither do you. You can take that to the bank folks.
12/15/2020 12:17:00 AM
The trucks carrying the vaccine have to have security escort vehicles following them.
I’ve got to blame the leadership of that district for letting the manpower get that dangerously low.
I know that you’re only a patrolman and don’t understand how organizations work, so just shut up. The district commander (or deputy chief even) have nothing to do with how many officers get assigned to the district. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Take it up with the chief of patrol and the superintendent.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They should just close 017 like they did the 013 years back.. split the district up between two neighboring districts...maybe close 020 as well. It’s obvious the bosses feel the two districts are not busy enough to man watches for calls. Save money by closing the two stations. Then see how the Alderman and citizens cry..lol..
12/15/2020 04:08:00 AM
Well if they did this then at least we’d have more than one sgt on the watch. If that what it takes to get some help, then I’m for it.
Never Fear, civilians are on the way!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Everyone knows the commander is just waiting out his time till retirement. He won’t speak up for his troops because he’s too afraid to lose his precious gold star. So downtown just shits all over the district, including giving us the biggest jerk off captain in the entire city.
12/15/2020 01:33:00 AM
Who needs officers when you’ve got him as the captain. The best policeman that ever lived, just ask him.
I see that’s how they’re getting around the sgt requirements, just lower the officers on the street to a total of 10. Then their in compliance. Oh those sneaky bosses.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Everyone knows the commander is just waiting out his time till retirement. He won’t speak up for his troops because he’s too afraid to lose his precious gold star. So downtown just shits all over the district, including giving us the biggest jerk off captain in the entire city.
12/15/2020 01:33:00
When this commander was an inspector, he wrote up plenty of good coppers for some amazingly pimpy things. He’s a company man. What do u expect.
“ Safety issue? 19p. Stop responding to calls
12/15/2020 12:08:00 AM”
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You’re and idiot. Enjoy listing your assets. You may not have many after you’re fired, but they’ll want to know about that $100 under your mattress. Stop responding to calls? God, you’re fucking dumb.
This is the back door way of defunding the Police. The questions that should be asked is why isn't the Aldermen of this district complaining? Why isn't the local newspapers complaining? Why isn't the local community groups not complaining? Why isn't the FOP along with the Sergeants and Lieutenants Associations not complaining? Asking for a friend.
Wait until Jan 16th, we will be 2,023 officers shorter on that day due to retirements. This is the single largest retirement in CPD history. You not only have the guys with the 30 years but now the numbers leaving in the 100’s are down to 10 years. I work at the Jive-ory Tower and it’s chaos. Brown is disinterested because he’s gone soon back to Texas and Carter is just to stupid to understand. At least the young kids trapped in patrol are exploring massive lateral moves or just leaving for the private sector. We could conceivably have manpower dwindle under 5,000 and no help in sight. Another summer like last year the whole city could burn.
020 and 024 almost that bad after giving up half the watch to downtown detail.
017 had it too good when Karnick was around.
Looks like 1712, 22, 23 all came up and available from other tasks and duties perhaps backing up 32 & 33’s in progress (?) as one way to beat some overnight idling is to respond all over the District. Hopefully 1712 wasn’t to far away to respond to their ALBR nearby and was a 10-4 unit.
Whatever the case, citizens expect some sort of protection and everyone is entitled to the fundamental right of a civil and safe society. KmmFxxxUp and the idiot judges keep letting felons go to repeat their crimes over and over again. Property crimes are even easier on the feral than the armed violence prosecutions. Most recently the compliant mask wearing 39th Ward voted slightly in favor of Pat O’Brien over KmmFxxxUp 2020, they probably retained all the judiciary on the same Nov ballot that voted heavily in favor of SleepyJoe & Kameltoe over DJT.
So, if the citizen taxpayers are voting YES for an absentee mayor, a termite States Atty, a powderpuff nougat compliant alderman, then 5 available Units to “cover” for the 017 DC is plenty...plenty to lay low and let the feral go about they’bidness.
Stay safe, respond safely and work smart.
Keep lockups empty as an FOP contract negotiations table.
They should close 20--roll it into 017--then re-reconfigure all the detective areas, randomly appoint a couple of deputy chiefs to new made up positions and snatch up folks with under two years for a variety of inside spots (hq, fro, suds rooms, academy--so many places hide full duty sworn)
Anonymous Anonymous said...
They should just close 017 like they did the 013 years back.. split the district up between two neighboring districts...maybe close 020 as well. It’s obvious the bosses feel the two districts are not busy enough to man watches for calls. Save money by closing the two stations. Then see how the Alderman and citizens cry..lol..
12/15/2020 04:08:00 AM
017 geographically is too big to merge with another district. It also has a very large population. Huge traffic flow also. Both the Kennedy and Edens expressways go through it at numbers points.
An era has passed this day.
After more than 25 years of distinguished service as a Chicago Police Officer, Michael Seiser has retired.
Godspeed Mike.
017 has a problem with the gang shootings, carjackings(that’s all over I know), and other issues. And the Dept refuses to assist and send 1,000 PO’s to a detail where they work 6 hrs and get cut? Mayor get your head out of your ass
So does that mean there were 23 minutes and 26 minutes before someone responded?
017 has been short for a long time. Every commander that has passed thru that place in the past 10 years has tried to get more manpower. Staples had some success but it still was not enough. The onus right now is keeping the homicides below 2016's magic number and making sure that another loot-a-thon doesn't happen downtown. As you can see by looking at the unit summary they don't give a fuck. Officer safety, don't put yourself into a situation you can't get out of.
Sad thing is I bet most of those cars were 99 units
Time for o stop all the short staff postings we all know the score. Move on to something more meaningful. The Dwarf and h r puppet Brown have shown that he selves to be unable to quell the ghetto rats. Now time to go after what they can control, namely your lives. Their goal is to get a bunch leaving of their own accord, not to be replaced with new hires unti her stated goal of 9,000 CPD officers is reached. Her new Ike table is year two of her next term about three years from now. Yes there will be a second term, the voter have already been counted. That is the essence of The Chicago Way.
In all reality why is the 017th district even operational.shut the place down.if you can run a watch with three beat cars time to close shop.three beat cars = six officers. What are the other 175 doing? Peace circles? Shop with the cop? Food pantry laborer?
That’s a good night for 017. Does Sauganash know that their beat car is never up. Ever? And they wonder why their cars are constantly getting broken into and houses and garages burglarized. There’s NO police up there. Ever. Same goes for old Irving most nights. Sorry to be the bearer or bad news, but u should know that you’re on your own.
12/15/2020 01:43:00 AM
Fuck Old Irving, seen plenty of BLM signs up infront of houses while passing through recently ! Let them reap what they sow !
"Time for o stop all the short staff postings we all know the score. Move on to something more meaningful . . . "
12/15/2020 01:35:00 PM
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There is nothing more meaningful than officer safety.
That is what this is all about.
I say keep the pictures of the Watch sheets and PDTs showing major backlogs so MAYBE the media will address this.
What few police officers are out there; there ARE NO SERGEANTS to supervise them. The consent decree is nothing but a fake shit show.
An era has passed this day.
After more than 25 years of distinguished service as a Chicago Police Officer, Michael Seiser has retired.
Godspeed Mike.
12/15/2020 11:33:00 AM
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ONLY 25 years?
He must have at least 5 years "bad time".
Smart move however.. the age 55 insurance will go to 3.5% next year like PBPA and Fire.
“ Safety issue? 19p. Stop responding to calls
12/15/2020 12:08:00 AM”
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You’re and idiot. Enjoy listing your assets. You may not have many after you’re fired, but they’ll want to know about that $100 under your mattress. Stop responding to calls? God, you’re fucking dumb.
12/15/2020 08:59:00 AM
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Read the FOP magazine article Fernando Flores wrote:
COPA is reviewing ALL BWC footage on complaints and YOU WILL TAKE TIME for not handling the job.
8 year wonder here working midnights, mostly 99. Now I feel like I’m 99. How can I get to callback without having to be in trouble or crippled. I’d prefer to be assigned to days. I’m just here for the paycheck anyways. 1st and 16th. *Eeyore voice*
When the fuck is the FOP going to do something about this bullshit?
Anonymous said...
Wait until Jan 16th, we will be 2,023 officers shorter on that day due to retirements. This is the single largest retirement in CPD history. You not only have the guys with the 30 years but now the numbers leaving in the 100’s are down to 10 years. I work at the Jive-ory Tower and it’s chaos. Brown is disinterested because he’s gone soon back to Texas and Carter is just to stupid to understand. At least the young kids trapped in patrol are exploring massive lateral moves or just leaving for the private sector. We could conceivably have manpower dwindle under 5,000 and no help in sight. Another summer like last year the whole city could burn.
12/15/2020 10:19:00 AM
It wouldn’t matter if brown or Carter did care about the mass exodus out of CPD. Employment/Manpower is all done by the mayor’s office. CPD has zero to do with hiring. City Hall better do something quickly to attract people to the job or they won’t be able to come back from the hiring crisis. Forced residency and no contract are the killers for recruiting. Lightfoot’s mouth doesn’t help
There’s a SUV sitting on bricks with no tire at Forest Glen and Cicero right now, probably took a bit to do, but when no police are around you have plenty of time
Anonymous Anonymous said...
In all reality why is the 017th district even operational.shut the place down.if you can run a watch with three beat cars time to close shop.three beat cars = six officers. What are the other 175 doing? Peace circles? Shop with the cop? Food pantry laborer?
They’re at the Admiral!
017 is dangerous!!!! Shootings every night. No manpower!!! Please help
Do you need more than that many cars honestly? Or are you bitching because now you actually stay busy and have to do work? Because other busy districts are exactly that with the same or more manpower and stay busy like that all day. So if you don’t like it bud to a busy district where there’s more units available. Or stay inside at the desk. Just stop Bitching nobody cares. Do your fn job or don’t speed to calls. This way when you’re there it’s just paper and you can take your time. The city is a fn joke. The mayor and her puppets are a fn joke. You act like crook county is your one and only job and don’t know the shit that’s going on.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Shouldn’t we be discussing whose really getting the first Covid shots? Let’s not lose this in the media but LL and her entire family come first. Followed by fat ass and his, do as I say not as I do, hypocritical nonsense. (He may need a longer needle to penetrate that sturdy layer of slop wrapped around him).
The truly sad part is no one will ever report how many of these shots actually make it to where they belong. By the time the self important and clout heavy get theirs, how many will be actually left for the front liners.
Guess who doesn’t give a rats ass about your 92 year old mother. Yours doesn’t count and neither do you. You can take that to the bank folks.
12/15/2020 12:17:00 AM
They're not getting any COVID shots.
Those shots will be photo-ops and will be saline solution.
You think they'll be taking virtually un-tested RNA-based shots that have been proven to have serious side-effects?
The Alderman, (Nugent) has been silent on this.
Just another Communist POS with her head up the Mayor's ass.
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