Contract Rumor
Here's one of the main reasons we started the blog - rumors:
- Little known fact: a few weeks ago, the union actually signed a
tentative agreement on a completed contract with city hall and hasn’t
told any of the membership a thing of what’s in it. In our bylaws, the
lodge has to put out any tentative agreement to the unit reps for an
advisory vote to the board, and John has said openly he’s not going to
do that. Why do you think that is?? And there isn’t a special meeting to
explain terms. Why do you think that is?
What’s in it?
- A duration extension (July 2017 to June 2027).
- more p days
- baby furlo days are a full tour
- increased raises for 24, 25
- $$ for training certs
- much more
What’s not in it? No one knows... Why don’t we know? Because John has been refusing to discuss it (the excuse he gave was “we’re waiting for snelling to get in the door first because what the city told us to do.” 6 years and 3 months expired, and not a peep except “we can’t say what’s in it yet, but trust us!”
We certainly hope the Unit Reps would be consulted and given the barest outlines to gauge the reaction from the membership. Otherwise, the rank-and-file is going a wee bit pissed off and unwilling to support the Board going forward.
Labels: contract stuff, from the comments, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
97 Comments:
So you have a guy negotiating a contract that doesn't apply to him anyways. What could go wrong?
When are we going to get the parental leave?
What good are more P days when they keep canceling days off / restricting time due every warm weekend in the summer ????
Who is surprised? The last contract JRat negotiated was a joke. We would have gotten the same thing years earlier without his “help”. JRat cant be trusted and he doesnt care. It doesnt effect him, at all. When he resigned, cuz it looked like he’d get fired, theres nothing in the contract that matters to him. Depending on the board to do something is fuhkin’ hilarious.
As a Unit Rep, I can't even get a formal determination on bylaw amendments I submitted back in May, let alone be given any information on this contract. John spends a lot of time telling us how great he is and how much he's done for us, but at the end of the day, we still have no contract and no COLA. But what we do have is tier deployment, canceled days off, a disciplinary police board, incorrect paychecks, and refugee camps in our districts.
What John wants from his Unit Reps is to do the job of the Field Reps. Now, with CR statements being audio recorded instead of written, the Lodge puts it on the Unit Reps to be the member's union representation during their recorded statements. We're paying to send retired IRT Detectives out on officer-involved shootings and attorneys to off-duty incidents, and now they want Unit Reps to handle recorded statements. Tell me again why we're paying John a commander's salary and the Field Rep's Captain's pay. We are the stakeholders of this organization. John and the rest of the board serve at our behest, not vice versa. Until we get this pay structure more in line with their duties and the members they represent, our union will always be controlled by greedy narcissists.
Erin Jones
Unit Rep
Unit 177
Anything short of double time for canceled time of should be rejected.
I wonder if it contains some form of modification to the 55 and out medical provision. Lifting residency for anyone with more than 20 years on the job could be good.
Gauging the opinions of membership is not on the list of things to do.
After all, if you don't like it, what are ya gonna do about it, other than sulk?
The $$ for certs if it includes Carbine cert is bullshit. Had tried for years to get in the class , gave up after seeing 2 year wonders getting before me, not based on seniority !
Unit Rep here and last meeting or two he did say tentative agreement that would be sent to Unit Rep"s. What I've received: 0. Zilch. Nada. Nuttin.
Should be in the meeting minutes.
Needless to say, I was surprised to read this but then again, not surprised.
It seems to be always the police the Chicago police department is used as a punching bag. Maybe this guy over here could figure out what’s wrong I’m gonna help this guy even though this is off-topic here is the clue.
Hours after the shooting, the victim’s car was surrounded by crime scene tape and police were still on the scene as residents in the area try to process the crime that they say happened too close to home.
“It’s starting to take form everywhere in the city,” Fitch said. “Someone has to stand up and say, ‘We’ve had enough,’ and we’re going to put our finger on the problem.”
https://wgntv.com/news/chicagocrime/shots-fired-during-armed-robbery-attempt-at-gas-station-in-river-north/
Going to put the finger on the problem not too hard to see a certain community of people and folks is out of control and it’s not racism when it’s realism statistically what are the percentages that that particular community is doing major crime everywhere? Wheel of fortune Pat, I have the answer.
Same old same old. Bend over and say wahoòoo. Just like it was 30 years ago when Billie boy said... Enjoy your retro checks. For Pete's sake learn to stand together for once.
Wait, this contract is going to be extended past the next mayoral election in 2027 while the CTU is going to deal with their contract next year? This better be a great contract, because I’d want to try to piggyback any sweetheart deal BJ gives the teachers before economic situations change too much.
So what’s up with the retension bonuses. Find it hard to believe a grand or two extra per year would make people wanna stay in this shithole
This is an issue in every level of government and down to school boards, membership clubs, etc. You name it, anything that has elected officials.
Nobody wants to REPRESENT anymore, they just want to rule unilaterally.
Spoken like a true cult leader,"I do this all for you, trust me. I know what's best for you."
More and more, The Kitten has been doing shit on the sly. Several Board Members have been left in the dark regarding contract negotiations, so what makes you think he’d include updating the Unit Reps, let alone the lowly rank and file?
Remember… John fancies himself the smartest guy in the room and you can’t tell him anything. Well, that’s unless you’re the National FOP. Seems John’s big mouth got him in a bit of trouble with our National brothers and sisters. Moles at 1412 tell the tale of The Kitten throwing a tantrum after his resounding defeat for National Veep, threatening to take Lodge 7 solo. Someone much smarter obviously schooled his dumb ass on what that would mean in terms of losing protections afforded local lodges by the National FOP. Including no longer being recognized a fraternal organization in good standing. Which means collective bargaining protections (read: contract negotiations) are moot.
So the The Kitten was instructed to board a plane, hat in hand, and go kiss the rings of the National Boys. Might this be the reason behind not sharing the ‘Big Secret’ with the membership?
Yeah, J-Pussy… the walls everywhere have ears. And they’ve been listening intently.
J-pussy doesn’t want to give any hints because he knows it’s all dog shit. He’s fully aware that it’s all non-sense compared to suing to lift residency. Getting us double time for canceled days off. And joining the rest of the country and getting a better work schedule. 10 or 12 hour days. The only thing that heals your soul from this job is time away from it. 10-12 hour days equals more days off. Morale would improve immeasurably almost instantly with stopping this day off canceling bull shit or residency requirement. It’s not rocket science.
I guess it is for a moronic meat head like catanzara. He refuses to fight like hell for us. He and his crew of lackeys are useless. They only care about police board hearings and suspension time. The rest of us that don’t constantly get CR’s and value our time off, don’t give a fuck about fake arbitration awards. The sad part is whoever else is voted in after them will be just as useless. Without the power to strike, the fop is a non-issue for the city. Always has been and always will be.
Its tine to totally clean house with the FOP...including JC...he will join the wall of losers next to bug eyes (ll)!!!! I believe everyone has had enough of the FLOPS bullshit and negligence with its members.
Many young coppers keep talking about residency, it has been the talk of the town over 40 years face it never will happen! The other young coppers with cheese for brains are talking about a strike which will immediately terminate your employment to those I say "you first!" Many of you were not born when President Reagan told the air traffic controllers they could not strike, but then laughed and did, air traffic slowed down but then a massive amount of controllers were \hired trained the strikers that refused to return lost those good paying jobs! Do not for a minute here Brandon would not do that, to the coppers that say "No 1 wants this job," come on kid your making well over $100,000 some approaching $200,000 and that is just in patrol it would be filled! Wait with all the illegals jb now is allowing to be police they would gladly fill that position! You would never make this money for what you do in any other dept or any other job with the degrees you have, but then again if you could you would be accountable for actually working,and the tagline "police are investigating," would be "have offenders in custody!" get it, got it, good!
If h you volunteer to work your rdo or special employment for 1.5 time and a half fine.
But if you’re canceling my rdo with my family the city better be paying at least 2x and it should be retro pay for the last few years of canceling days off all summer. And fire McDermit as chief of patrol for doing it
With a board of 27, only a few of John’s hand picked ball lickers are consulted. This FOP is more like a dictatorship and that dictator is a vindictive narcissist. John says he can’t tell the members anything because “we have leakers” or “ this can’t get out there” when in turn it’s because he just doesn’t want you to know. I thought it was in the contract that retirees can’t negotiate a contract for active members? Why is he allowed to? He shouldn’t be involved.
I hear it's so bad now people are even fly dumping in people's garbage cans.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
When are we going to get the parental leave?
10/01/2023 12:45:00 AM”
When you drop off and leave your kids at college, that’s when! Suck it up buttercup!
Time to have a lawyer be lodge president and other staff members as well.....and if that's not possible.....switch to transfers and get the contract of UPS and other such important necessity groups! Stand up or stand down.....its your choice Officers!!! Revolt without the looting!!
Residency?
COLA John??? We’re still waiting. This is beyond ridiculous.
"WE" the members voted him in and "WE" the members should get together and oust his ass ASAP!!! Fucking useless POS.
I'm a rep, no mention to us at all. John's head is enormous and will not say anything to anyone who does not bob their heads in agreement.
John is doing a good Job. Go to a union meeting and find out what is going on. Instead of listening to rumors. John spoke directly to the contract at the meeting. There are no surprises, and nothing is agreed upon yet. It can fall apart at anytime. As for medical we can only blame ourselves. Everyone was contacted numerous times to get the free health screening. If we were able to get a majority our insurance rates would not raise.
So stop complaining and be proactive. John has been the most vocal president we have have in a decade.
We’re stuck with this moron for another 3.5 years. He’s worse than BJ for us.
Raising dues for that stupid PAC fund that has done nothing.
Lengthening his term from 3 to 4 years.
Agreeing to peanuts of a contract right before inflation crippled everyone.
Hey but at least there’s a video on YouTube every Friday!
This is the kind of bozo that gives coppers a bad name. But he talks tough so coppers will still eat his shit up.
Catanzara got us through the Lightfoot years okay, and got some necessary things done. But lately, he seems to me to be a little different these days. Less outspoken if you will. A little more like our former FOP presidents. His brashness and ability to speak the truth over our "kept" local media was what attracted me to him. Now he seems like a less shiny penny we have in our pocket.
Could he be compromised? Maybe they got to him? Politics within Cook County is a bare knuckles sport...
Is there anybody on the horizon with any integrity for the next election? Our choices have always seemed limited.
So, is my Glock 17 on the State of Illinois Assault weapons registration list, due to its higher than 15 round capacity?
It's sad our best union President ever gets shit on so much. Oh well. Just like politics people only want to bitch about the people in power instead of making a difference.
nonymous said...
Anything short of double time for canceled time of should be rejected.
You are 100% correct on that.
John is finished.
If the FOP election was held today, he'll be voted out.
He'll never win another term.
The $$ for certs if it includes Carbine cert is bullshit. Had tried for years to get in the class , gave up after seeing 2 year wonders getting before me, not based on seniority !
If you aren’t Carbine by now that means you self have under 10-13 year. Don’t bust balls of the two year wonders why you barely have on time yourself. Humble yourself. You just think it’s cool to carry a rifle.
JCat is the worst thing to Happen to Chicago police officers since the Haymarket riots. He is an idiot who was being fired for false reports. He is a liar. He doesn’t care about PO’s he cares about himself. He wants to be a Trump rabble rouser in a democrat city and state. Every time he opens his mouth he hurts the officers. The problem is the union lets retirees vote and those dipshits don’t care about your pay or work conditions they care about fucking with Lori and now BJ. The union president actually has no incentive to help the POs because they don’t vote but the retirees love the gib mouth asshole act so he will keep fucking over the working police for his votes.
Lift the residency rule.
If every blue shirt stood together and hit the medical on the 1st of July we would get whatever we wanted. Yes, the community would have to fend for themselves for a few days, that’s what a 2nd amendment is for.
So just here for the paycheck. Can you put the Jack Daniel’s down and tell me why the National Lodge does Nothing for Illinois. The entire state of Illinois should leave the National and start there own. The Return on investment is zero. Protections from what, theft and graft. Ha. Lodges have been stealing from the membership for years.
Membership as a whole including myself doesn't care about the union. Most don't vote. Dont concern ourselves with the daily business. A large majority don't care out the beef between JCat and the City. We show up answer calls or work inside enjoy our coworkers company and go home. Who has time to give a fuck about the rest?? We have lives outside this. Alright, Done pooping. I'll check the blog in a few weeks again when I bored lol
COLA!!!!!!! This should be priority.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
JCat is the worst thing to Happen to Chicago police officers since the Haymarket riots. He is an idiot who was being fired for false reports. He is a liar. He doesn’t care about PO’s he cares about himself. He wants to be a Trump rabble rouser in a democrat city and state. Every time he opens his mouth he hurts the officers. The problem is the union lets retirees vote and those dipshits don’t care about your pay or work conditions they care about fucking with Lori and now BJ. The union president actually has no incentive to help the POs because they don’t vote but the retirees love the gib mouth asshole act so he will keep fucking over the working police for his votes.
10/01/2023 02:17:00 PM
I know a few retirees who don’t truck with JCat and his bs. And I’m a retiree who thinks that if JCat had stfu during the mayoral election, he wouldn’t have turned off the undecided voters who swung away from his loud mouth and straight into the mess we’re in now. He’s a blowhard who is too damn stuck on himself to know that sometimes it’s best to not say too much.
Hope you enjoyed your retro check suckers!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Membership as a whole including myself doesn't care about the union. Most don't vote. Dont concern ourselves with the daily business. A large majority don't care out the beef between JCat and the City. We show up answer calls or work inside enjoy our coworkers company and go home. Who has time to give a fuck about the rest?? We have lives outside this. Alright, Done pooping. I'll check the blog in a few weeks again when I bored lol
10/01/2023 03:14:00 PM
I don’t care for jcat either, didn’t vote for him. But dummies like you are the reason why the city keeps walking on us. You just lay back and let them go balls deep in your ass without a peep. Same with the fop when they pull shit that’s not in the interest of the majority of the rank and file. Again you allow it to happen cuz you “don’t have the time to give a fuck”. But chumps like you will be the first one calling the fop when your day off gets cancelled or you fuck up your watch selection.
EJay said...
As a Unit Rep, I can't even get a formal determination on bylaw amendments I submitted back in May,
==unit rep here, John said at last meeting or meeting before *had you stayed you would've heard this* the proposal was submitted incorrectly. If i recall,, you need X amount of signatures per change and not lumped all (together) in one submission. Pay attention
This unit rep asked for a raise from one our trustees and was told NO right after they voted themselves one.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
John is doing a good Job. Go to a union meeting and find out what is going on. Instead of listening to rumors. John spoke directly to the contract at the meeting. There are no surprises, and nothing is agreed upon yet. It can fall apart at anytime. As for medical we can only blame ourselves. Everyone was contacted numerous times to get the free health screening. If we were able to get a majority our insurance rates would not raise.
So stop complaining and be proactive. John has been the most vocal president we have have in a decade.
John, you're doing a shit job. I was at that meeting and all you said about the contract was how great it is but you can't tell us what's in it. We're gonna pull you out of that office one way or another, either through an indictment or expulsion.
Only a few on the second floor of Washington with integrity, John is not one of them. DG should be the president, smart, even tempered, hard working.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lift the residency rule.
10/01/2023 02:23:00 PM
Give it a rest. This will never, ever happen. We don't hire foreign citizens to be US Marshals or FBI & commute in from Canada, Mexico, wherever. You wanna a city job, you gotta live in the city. End of story.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
When are we going to get the parental leave?
When you drop off and leave your kids at college, that’s when! Suck it up buttercup!
you're probably a sgt who gets the parental leave and it's all about you now, or a retiree with the mentality of "we didn't have that when I was on the job, and we did fine" stfu clown
Wait...are we putting our trust in a national leadership that is held down by the suburbs who are afraid to stand up for a copper claiming a hostile work environment...at least with John we have a voice..yes sometimes we have to slap him in the back of the f###in head for a bad deal...but that takes all of us crowding his office at once....
Alright, Done pooping. I'll check the blog in a few weeks again when I bored lol
10/01/2023 03:14:00 PM
Even a pile of poop can hide a diamond.....
It's sad our best union President ever gets shit on so much. Oh well. Just like politics people only want to bitch about the people in power instead of making a difference.
10/01/2023 01:16:00 PM
This. Regardless of what you think about him, as several people have pointed out in this thread, most coppers don't vote in the FOP election (which is just as well if they don't know what the fuck is going on, just like the real elections), let alone actually get involved in the FOP and fucking DO SOMETHING.
How many times do you see people bitching about this, that or the other thing, and asking, "where's the FOP?"
It's located at 1412 W Washington. Go to a meeting. The phone number is 312-733-7776. If you're unhappy about something, go there. Call them. Don't expect someone else to do it your way. This ain't Burger King. Get off your throne, your highness.
As far as retirees voting goes, there are more active officers that retirees. If you're not getting your way, that's on you.
JCAT is a LYING piece of SHIT!!!
And in a couple weeks anyone that is retired that was expecting the 3% COLA age issue to be fixed by the ass clowns in Springfield will see firsthand that Brandon Johnson SCHOOLED this IDIOT!!! This is no different than 2008 contract negotiation when the economy tanked and we got hosed on raises. Brandon promised JCAT the cola wud go in during the fall veto session and he just got played
A lawyer as president won’t change anything. Look at the LTs union, they have 3 lawyers and can’t get anything accomplished. Fact of the matter is that the city knows the police cannot strike and can and will delay the process las long as they want. An arbitrator will say go back and work on X, y, Z and come
Back. They won’t rush to judgement, LL never intended to settle this contract because she made too many claims during the first election that she couldn’t cave, esp during the most recent election. BJ is put in a tough position because he’ll have to shit or get off the pot
nonymous said...
JCat is the worst thing to Happen to Chicago police officers since the Haymarket riots. He is an idiot who was being fired for false reports. He is a liar. He doesn’t care about PO’s he cares about himself. He wants to be a Trump rabble rouser in a democrat city and state. Every time he opens his mouth he hurts the officers. The problem is the union lets retirees vote and those dipshits don’t care about your pay or work conditions they care about fucking with Lori and now BJ. The union president actually has no incentive to help the POs because they don’t vote but the retirees love the gib mouth asshole act so he will keep fucking over the working police for his votes.
10/01/2023 02:17:00 PM
Worst thing since the Haymarket riots? Okay, your credibility is shot. Let's try not to be so melodramatic. The guy is an arrogant dick that I wouldn't want to have a beer with. That being said, if he wants to be a prick and stick his finger in the eyes of the Mayor and all the other political hacks that I hate, then great. In now way is he worse then Graham, Shields, or DeAngelo and their list of screwups. This whole union war has been a conflict over the last 20 year between Northside and Southside police union politico goofs. Guys that think they are Hoffa. Same dumb cops that debate the Cubs vs the Sox like they are debating great military strategists or famous authors
Are we gonna get new cruisers with shoe holders and pillows?
10k yearly and all the blunt you can smoke might make me stick around.
Most of the crybabies in the comments probably haven't even been to a single meeting but will believe any rumor thrown out there
Trust no one in the union leadership until they have demonstrated the courage & fortitude to obtain a fair and comparable contract similar to other city unions.
JCat took advantage of the political climate to get elected the first time..one of the vision teams selling points was that they were well versed in discipline. Well versed not because they've been rail roaded but rather because they're fucking hand jobs. Anyone with commonsense knew that the report with Eddie wasn't going to go anywhere but JCat couldn't resist pushing the envelope as do most of these handjobs who claim they know the contract inside and out. Being involved in union business is toxic so you're not really missing out anything if you don't go to any meetings. One member was so dumbfounded as to why they weren't elected this past election...maybe it had to with the fact that they're one of the most abrasive people on this job and publicly say some of the most rotten shit about other members just maybe
FOP and PBPA are only unions working in Chicago that do not get double time for working RDO’s, how is it that we can not get it? Even from arbitration?
I’d offer my 2 cents on this whole ball of wax, but J-Kitty has placed a gag order on me. And what King Kitty says, goes. I’m cool with that as long as I get to keep expensing my meals on the Lodge 7 credit card.
What about us ET’s? What the status on D2-A or D3 pay raise? We are the only unit that actually works. Wish we had more overtime. Thanks Wilkie!!!!!!!!!!
They had a deal to get COLA passed last Spring Session and he made some sort of deal with Mayor to hold off till Fall. Hopefully his deal pays off and he promised COLA would pass this Fall!
How many elected ex FOP members are on here gaslighting the fuck out of people because they lost their elections? I’ll bet a few trying to make it sound like there is some mass mutiny taking place.
Catanzara is only in it for himself..He's just a loudmouth punk that was able to con a bunch of gullible blue shirts with his big mouth tough guy persona..A true tough guy doesn't put CR#'s on other police officers..
(Anonymous Anonymous said...
Residency?
10/01/2023 10:39:00 AM)
Residency cannot be negotiated by union bargaining units in cities of over 1 million population (Chicago) in the state of Illinois. FOP can't do anything to get rid of residency.
I am a Unit Rep. At the general meeting in August we were told unit reps would receive the agreement before it goes to the city council. It is also in the minutes on page 3, about half way down. As of right now, I have not received anything.
Haran-001
Don't say cruisers.
Just a gurl said...
EJay said...
As a Unit Rep, I can't even get a formal determination on bylaw amendments I submitted back in May,
==unit rep here, John said at last meeting or meeting before *had you stayed you would've heard this* the proposal was submitted incorrectly. If i recall,, you need X amount of signatures per change and not lumped all (together) in one submission. Pay attention
Oh I pay plenty of attention and that is bs and you know it. First of all the bylaws were submitted to the letter of our bylaws and I have not been given any determination. So is John and his cult claiming there is a "technical issue," or is it "unconstitutional"? Words matter. I'm calling bullshit on all of this, especially you being a "Unit Rep," and knowing when I come and go. Change your claim of "unit rep" to "Field Rep," and I'd believe it more. Sounds like you're just trying to protect the bloated field rep salaries. Nowhere in our bylaws does it say there need to be separate signatures. Besides the fact when I turned them in to our Recording Secretary, they were reviewed, extensively might I add, accepted, stamped, and signed by said Recording Secretary, and at NO POINT was I informed that there was anything improper with the format or signatures. So why would the union accept bylaw proposals that did not have the proper signatures? This is about John and the board not wanting the members to have the ability to determine their pay. Commander and Captain do not align with the board's duties or the people they are supposed to represent.
ET's...the only people that work? Yea, ok buddy, smoke some more weed. Take your hour lunch, milk a job and make us beat cars to wait 3 hrs for your lazy asses to show up to take 10 min to do a job. ET go home! Boo hoo
Who is Erin Jones? Is she the same officer that CR# on Fellow Officers?
“ They had a deal to get COLA passed last Spring Session and he made some sort of deal with Mayor to hold off till Fall. Hopefully his deal pays off and he promised COLA would pass this Fall!”
Lol he didn’t make any deal. They told him it wasn’t passing in the spring session. J-Numbnuts could do nothing about it.
“ Give it a rest. This will never, ever happen. We don't hire foreign citizens to be US Marshals or FBI & commute in from Canada, Mexico, wherever. You wanna a city job, you gotta live in the city. End of story.”
What a shit comparison.
Us cops we love those roll call motivational speeches. Bosses know the contract is nothing more than a gentleman’s agreement. Boy oh boy are we easily manipulation. The same verbal judo we use on everyday citizens JCAT uses on us. He’ll sprinkle in some bullshit Nelson Mandela, Trump or Benjamin Franklin quote in his rah rah speech and (TADA!) dumbass cops don’t know no better and bob their empty heads in agreement. I ate up the scam like a fool and so did 75% of the department.
Anonymous said...
Catanzara is only in it for himself..He's just a loudmouth punk that was able to con a bunch of gullible blue shirts with his big mouth tough guy persona..A true tough guy doesn't put CR#'s on other police officers..
10/02/2023 05:42:00 AM
Perfectly said. But what did ya expect? John is so well versed in CR#s from being on the receiving end, so it was probably no sweat for him. Id forgotten about this. Punk ass move by the Kitty.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Lift the residency rule.
10/01/2023 02:23:00 PM
Give it a rest. This will never, ever happen. We don't hire foreign citizens to be US Marshals or FBI & commute in from Canada, Mexico, wherever. You wanna a city job, you gotta live in the city. End of story.
10/01/2023 06:59:00 PM
It most likely won't ever happen but
Never say never. The rest of your post is the dumbest s*** I've read in a long time. How you can equate a person living in the burbs driving into the city to work with a non citizen driving into the USA from another country working for a federal agency is beyond me. But don't worry your partner one day in the very near future just might be that non citizen driving into work from 115th and halsted.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How many elected ex FOP members are on here gaslighting the fuck out of people because they lost their elections? I’ll bet a few trying to make it sound like there is some mass mutiny taking place.
Not an ex elected fop member but still think John is a piece of shit, even though I voted for him twice. I know there are many like me who feel the same way. If you don't believe it, it just shows how out of touch you guys on Washington really are.
How many Officers are registered to vote?
How many Officers have attended a Union Meeting?
Let's start there.
From what I understand, in order to get “parental leave”, we would have to give up our 365-day medical coverage.
Supposedly it would be trimmed down to 9 months for everyone.
That’s a hard pass in my opinion.
The only ones who would agree to that are the breeders and the extremely selfish.
Just remember- anyone can get sick, and you never know when you’ll need that time.
It’s the best thing we have, don’t give it away.
Because after the precedent is set and it gets clipped to 9 months, then it’ll be 8, then 6.
Residency lifted at 10 years.
Retention bonus should begin at 10 years also.
Lots of young guys are getting to 10 years and bailing.
Lots more ware leaving before 10 years.
10 years is enough time with residency to have some skin in the game, and it may be a carrot to those who just want to get vested and leave.
You want to quickly improve conditions to CPD?
Settle Contract
Disband Brown’s silly Community Safety Team aka as the blue card (TSS) police and not go home early after reaching the magic number for the day.
Decentralize - Send all of the personnel back to the districts and maybe leave a few teams at the areas like it used to be. 40-50 not nearly 1000K PO’s.
Go to 10 or 12 hour days and stop cancelling days off
Scale back all of the specialized units to 50% of their existing personnel.
Not 300-400 people buying dope in narcotics and going home after a few hours and locking up a bunch of addicts.
Focus only on the violent crimes at this time as that is what is on the news EVERY hour of the day.
Change the manpower % for each district and reallocate the younger officers (as we did for decades) to the most busiest districts and get those officers some much needed help and relief! (003,004,005,006,007,011,015).
Open up recruitment to all new hires and allow them to live within a certain 5 mile radius to city limits.
Anyone with 20+ years allow to do the same.
That will immediately create a new pool of applicants as not a lot of people want to live in the city because of taxes and crime and the ability to raise a family without having to pay private tuition.
Revamp the FTO program and make it appealing for senior officers - not just give them a couple of thousand more - maybe just under Sgt.’s pay.
Merit will NEVER be eliminated but come up a point system for a listed criteria to look at peoples resumes & backgrounds. If you have done nothing on this job you don’t get considered for anything. (Look at tenure (min 10 years on) work history, activity and awards history, eduction, military background, non CPD specialty training etc….
No exempts get to nominate anyone. They are all submitted to an outside agency that will review for eligibility and based upon certain scores they advance to an oral component.
That’s just a few to start with.
Residency has to be lifted in Springfield first before it’s challenged in our contract.
True, residency can’t be negotiated for.
It CAN, however, be sued for.
Every single municipality who has taken residency to court has won and had it lifted.
So grow some nuts, file suit, and take it to court already.
It’s a slam dunk.
Residency has to be lifted in Springfield first before it’s challenged in our contract.
10/02/2023 07:53:00 PM
I really think you are wrong. Do you have proof of it being a law?
I believe springfield gives the city the ability to create an ordiance to require residency. Its up to the city to require it or not.
And lets be quite honest. If it has to be changed down state it would be very easy for the city to get that done if they wanted to.
Anonymous said...
(Anonymous Anonymous said...
Residency?
10/01/2023 10:39:00 AM)
Residency cannot be negotiated by union bargaining units in cities of over 1 million population (Chicago) in the state of Illinois. FOP can't do anything to get rid of residency.
10/02/2023 07:13:00
I say The union and the city can negotiate it.
It just can not be done through arbitration
Again people: residency is a non issue in these contracts because there is a portion of the state constitution that says municipalities with populations over 1 million must maintain residency for public employees. Of course Chicago is the only qualifying city. To change this, they'd have to open up the constitution for amending, which could also lead to losing a lot of guarantees with our pensions as well.
There’s a lot of know NOTHING haters on here with a lot of opinions. L. Snelling just got sworn in, why not give the process a chance before you all sound like cry babies. You people will never be satisfied no matter what information is released to you. Always super negative and then you wonder why this department is in the gutter. I’m sure this statement will trigger those that the show fits.
ET’s do need a pay raise. I agree. Hardest working unit.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Again people: residency is a non issue in these contracts because there is a portion of the state constitution that says municipalities with populations over 1 million must maintain residency for public employees. Of course Chicago is the only qualifying city. To change this, they'd have to open up the constitution for amending, which could also lead to losing a lot of guarantees with our pensions as well.
10/03/2023 08:20:00 AM
Please state the Article and section of said article in the State constitution you found that info.
@5:00pm
Not in Illinois Constitution but in the ILCS
5 ILCS 315/14 if you want some late-night reading
65 ILCS 5/10-2.1-6) (from Ch. 24, par. 10-2.1-6)
Sec. 10-2.1-6. Examination of applicants; disqualifications.
(a) All applicants for a position in either the fire or police department of the municipality shall be under 35 years of age, shall be subject to an examination that shall be public, competitive, and open to all applicants (unless the council or board of trustees by ordinance limit applicants to electors of the municipality, county, state or nation) and shall be subject to reasonable limitations as to residence, health, habits, and moral character. The municipality may not charge or collect any fee from an applicant who has met all prequalification standards established by the municipality for any such position. With respect to a police department, a veteran shall be allowed to exceed the maximum age provision of this Section by the number of years served on active military duty, but by no more than 10 years of active military duty.
(b) Residency requirements in effect at the time an individual enters the fire or police service of a municipality (other than a municipality that has more than 1,000,000 inhabitants) cannot be made more restrictive for that individual during his period of service for that municipality, or be made a condition of promotion, except for the rank or position of Fire or Police
“Who is Erin Jones? Is she the same officer that CR# on Fellow Officers”
Word is she got a EEOC case against an a-hole (that was dumped from narcotics… for being an a-hole)
Anonymous said...
“Who is Erin Jones? Is she the same officer that CR# on Fellow Officers”
Word is she got a EEOC case against an a-hole (that was dumped from narcotics… for being an a-hole)
10/04/2023 08:10:00 AM
Unfortunately, Erin has some of the same personality traits as JCat and she doesn’t even know it. Which makes her not understand that sometimes it’s best to keep her opinion to herself and her big mouth shut.
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