Don't Hurt Me - I Have Rights!
Remember all the whining and crying on the left about "torture" and how America shouldn't stoop so low and resort to the methods of the enemy. Well, courtesy of ABC News and RightWingNews, here's the "torture" the left doesn't want the military to inflict upon captured terrorists, who (it should be noted) fly airplanes into buildings, strap on explosive vests packed with ball bearings to go to weddings/funerals, take school children hostage to wire them with pounds of Semtex, and cut off heads for shits and giggles:
- The Attention Grab: The interrogator forcefully grabs the shirt front of the prisoner and shakes him.
- Attention Slap: An open-handed slap aimed at causing pain and triggering fear.
- The Belly Slap: A hard open-handed slap to the stomach. The aim is to cause pain, but not internal injury. Doctors consulted advised against using a punch, which could cause lasting internal damage.
- Long Time Standing: This technique is described as among the most effective. Prisoners are forced to stand, handcuffed and with their feet shackled to an eye bolt in the floor for more than 40 hours. Exhaustion and sleep deprivation are effective in yielding confessions.
- The Cold Cell: The prisoner is left to stand naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees. Throughout the time in the cell the prisoner is doused with cold water.
- Water Boarding: The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.
Correct us if we're wrong, but at least three of these were used semi-regularly during PT at the Academy in recent memory along with the "Leaning Rest." We wouldn't be surprised to find out that all six were used along with the "Telephone" by Burge and the boys in the back rooms. According to International Law, only the "Telephone" would rise to the definition of torture. These are merely coercive. Should the day come when terrorists smuggle a device into this country, we pray that someone uses these "torture methods" to save innocent lives.
posted by SCC at 11:00 PM
44 Comments:
I'm not one for torture, but I'm definately not one for airplanes into high rise buildings or any other mayhem they wish to bestow upon the U.S. If they wish to do battle and be
treated in a humane fashion, then wear a uniform and fight a conventional war. Otherwise, fuck em!
Doesnt Area Four use same tactics on offenders?
Im sorry for ripping into 1614 coppers I think there is a bigger more worthless car in 016.1631! who the fuck are the dog asses that work bt car on third watch? Crime is going crazy, last night guy shoots at addison/oriole where was 1631 lets see either a) getting gas b) lunch at park c) hiding like the worthless coppers they are! by the way good job tact team and I think 1622s on getting shitbag. What was the story he was caught at 3310 N. Harlem? You fuckers that work 1631 have to be as worthless as 811 or 812 beat cars cause I here they suck too!
if youre going to call someone out, use the words in their correct contex
Its "I HEAR THEY SUCK TOO not
I HERE THEY SUCK TOO
Before you tell me to go fuck my self You look like you have shit for brains
NOW tell me to fuck myself
fuck yourself....
This is dedicated to Left is Best. I hope the link works.
http://www.flowgo.com/index.cfm?action=view&id=6402&scid=0
I'm the "police" and I live in 016. If 1631 is as lazy as you say, ther is obviously one (1) question that must be answered. Where is the supervison!!!
2:30:14
Here's some advice. The next time you feel compelled to post worthless drivel, seek the help of soneone who is familiar with the English language and is capable of composing a coherent paragraph.
Why are there shots fired at Addison ans Oriole now. Because of the cabrini green section 8 that have been placed there for free.
So now we pay high taxes so our familys can be drug induced raped and killed. I will never live with those animals, kill em all.
I say send a message to them bomb building idiots. I sure like the story of the pigs blood. Maybe its time for a modern day version of it.
And quit letting all these damn alla la la's in our country.
I'd like to know where you work. Is every single offender on every job arrested in your district? Don't give me that "home front" bullshit. If it's so important to protect the home front then you should go to 016. But you probably wouldn't want to give up your spot. Besides, you'd have nothing to do when you're off work if you didn't sit around listening to your scanner.
To 4:13 poster:
Thank you, I don't really get it, but thank you anyway for being kind. I missed a Charlie Brown Thanksgiving this year, this helps with the Thanksgiving cartoons.
To: 8:01
It is common policy with new developments to have set-asides for "affordable housing". These units almost invariably go to people who we don't want to live near us due to their different mores and values (i.e. staying up on a work night until 3AM making noise on the front porch). This reeks of socialism! In a capitalistic system this is not supposed to occur.
This is done in the name of the almighty God of Diversity. News flash! Diversity isn't a noble goal to be forced upon us. It is something that we should be allowed to embrace or not as we choose.
If diversity is so important, can anyone tell me how much money is spent in traditionally black colleges in an effort to recruit white & Asian students? Do non-blacks get extra points on their entrance exams, as minorities do elsewhere in order to push for diversity on the campus? I have heard many blacks say they are sending their children to these traditionally black universities so they can "be with their own". The only way I can be near all Caucasians is if I move to a rural area. The hypcocrisy is a shame in the whole diversity issue. I would wager that if a legitimate survey was taken, the results would say that most people want to live with those that are like them and share a common value structure. Its sad that diversity is being forced upon us. LET US COOSE OUR OWN FATE!
Lastly, its not because the color of a persons skin that I don't want to live near them, its because its been my experience that those of other races do have different value systems, many of which I don't want my children to be exposed to . I am not saying that my values are right and theirs are wrong, but my neighborhood at this point does reflect these views and I would like that to remain unchanged. My children can learn about other cultures when they get older and are in high school.
02:43:42 AM SAID,
"if youre going to call someone out, use the words in their correct contex."
when you call someone on their use of proper spelling and grammar, make sure yours' is correct---contex is not a word but context is and youre is not a word but you're is----for example: "don't take this out of context but you're a retard, go back to first grade."
Is there anything positive
So cars can't go down for gas or lunch ???
I wonder if spell check would help me in a running gun battle.
Happy Thanksgiving.
Im thankfull Im not over educated and arrogant.
Im thankfull that Im not a coward who looks down on those that work for a living.
Im thankfull Im not a sell out back stabbing ungreatfull nondeserving of our uniform yuppy chickenshit desk jerking asswipe. ( That was in one breath )
Im thankfull that I never gave into the BS of this city.
Im thankfull that I know I can leave soon.
Im thankfull that Im not low enought to write people up for stupid things like inspectors do.
Im thankfull I can joke like I am now knowing that the educated spell check police will critisize me for my spelling and grammar.
Im thankfull that non of the above have ever influenced me or made me mad.
Im thankfull that I dont have section 8 living next door to me. However I dont know if I can say that next year???
IM thankfull that Im a laughalot copper. Did I spell laughalott write? (I did this to make them feel better)
Im thankfull that Ive always used good judgement and even when the city and its idiots tried to jam one in my pooper, I just laughed knowing they couldnt all the time thinking, It sucks to be you.
God bless you and your families. Happy ThanksGiving. Enjoy the day.
PS I am thankfull I can look at myself in the mirror.
To Right is Right 801... God bless ya. I live among hard working people that want to have a nice home and live quietly. I dont want to live around a bunch of animals plain and simple.
If you want to live in our neighborhood, as long as you can afford it and keep your property up without living like animals I welcome you. However I know that you are not capable of living this way so please stay the hell away.
Wow!! this is another First!!
Only one comment about the thread, and the rest...predictably... cops slamming other cops.
Get a life people, it seems only about one in ten people that comment, comment about the subject at hand. The rest obviously have no life outside of anonymously deriding other police.
Ok I say death to allah and all his followers. Hows that?
1631 of afternoons are filthy bithes that keep the inside of the squad car clean like thier roach infested apt's. These are the same bitches that stood on the corners of 014 waiting for coppers to drive by so they could fuck one. If they can't even keep thier car clean you think they give a shit about doing any work ? Who they need is the old Sgt ST NE.
to the spelling cop: go fuk yerself, beeeeeottch!
To 9:05 and 10:08:
All peoples who are hard working and will make a good neighbor should be welcomed in your (and mine) neighborhood(s). Exclusion of anyone because of race or religion is wrong.
Reading these comments are torture.
Some of you nitwits can't write well or spell.
There-Their
To-Two-too
right write Confused? I bet you are!
run on sentences
classic
But we know how to handle a running gun battle. How about you spell check boy?
All peoples who are hard working and will make a good neighbor should be welcomed in your (and mine) neighborhood(s). Exclusion of anyone because of race or religion is wrong.
Your right! It is worng. But because of how the Chicago minority act, live and dont work, that's why I feel the way I do. Sorry, I don't want them anywhere near me or my family. Go live by operation push or something.
Happy Thanksgiving. Even to the muts I dont want living near me.
S.C.C.
Let me start by saying that I'm far from liberal. In fact, I'm one of the few card carrying Republicans in the City of Chicago, County of Cook.
However, when it comes to prisoner torture, you got this one wrong S.C.C. While some of these techniques you've descibed are borderline acceptable, ones such as "Water Boarding" and the "Belly Slap" can't be described any other way than "cruel and unusual." You know, Eighth Amendment territory.
It's tempting to condone this type of conduct considering that some of these prisoners are responsible for heinous acts of terrorism. But we're the U.S., the good guys, shining beacon for the rest of the world, and what have you.
If our founders in their ultimate wisdom prohibited such conduct by the government against its own citizens, the U.S. shouldn't be carving out exceptions for citizens of other countries.
Also, please remember that not everyone subject to these measures actually committed the crime of which they are suspected.
I would never call myself liberal but torture is wrong and in the long run is counterproductive
Torture works (physical & psychological), is used at all levels of law enforcement, and will always be used...until a better method comes along.
Only certain people have the heart to administer it and of course some enjoy it.
As long as torture produces results and saves lives, I will continue to sleep well at night.
Happy Thanksgiving.
I don't want all the citizens of the city living where I live, especially the citizens in my district. Even if they are clean and work hard, their relatives may come by.
If you can't afford to live in certain areas, you don't belong there.
Some may not like this comment, but look at predominantly minority areas and they turn the areas into shit. My area is clean. No garbage on streets and no people standing on corners or sitting in their cars all night.
016 police suck....Cabrini animals suck....blah blah blah.I swear coppers are retarded.Can't stay on any subject that doesn't invole"the Job","Will",sports or pussy.And whats funny is somebody correcting spelling and grammar here.The blind leading the stupid.
Are two third watch worthless female coppers on 1631 married to each other?
Are two third watch worthless female coppers on 1631 married to each other?
11/24/2005 08:47:49 PM
I believe so drity ho's
To Anonymous - ("Far from Liberal" commentator) at 11/24/2005 12:16:53 PM
Yes, torture is wrong and produces flawed results in that the subject tells whatever he thinks will stop the pain. But you misunderstand the post. These are not torture by any means of the imagination. These are coercive methods. None of these violate the protocols of the Geneva convention, International Law or in fact, US Law.
If the Army wanted to, they could line these people up against a wall and shoot them - they were caught on the field of battle not wearing the uniform of a recognized armed force; they regularly conceal themselves among the civilian populace; they are not signatories to any treaties. But we don't do that. These aren't "citizens of other countries" - they're terrorists and unlawful combatants. Everyone of them has had at least one hearing, sometimes more before they are shipped to Gitmo. Anyone who says different is ignorant of the facts. These are bad apples and whatever is necessary to get info out of them and save innocent lives, we'd support. The fact that ABC News and certain politicans claim this is "torture" is simply a lie told for political purposes and it could at some point, endanger innocents.
The so called "minoritY" in chicago is not a minority, they are the majority. They chose who will be the Mayor, who will run Cook County and every thing else.
Only when Chicago is just like Gary Ind. and no longer suitable to live in will things change.
Chicago is rotting from the inside out. Only a few good nieghborhoods left and they want those too.
SCC Please nuter the spelling JagOff he/she is waisting bandwith.
DITTTO ON THE SPELL CHECK GRAMMAR POLICE.
Puss should just admit he's applying for a job in review so he can work under some boss's desk.
Give us your name so we can all send you a new pocket protector CHRISTmas.
So why are we letting a bunch of dogs take us over? If they want nice things go work for them. But whitey liberal idiot gives it to them for free.
We are getting all our benifits yanked from us. yet duke can go get all his asthma meds for free while playing full court basketball at the lake front. And a link card to boot. Why are these lazy dogs getting SSI for BS like asthma, drinking? Whats next??? I cants work cuz my bunions hurt?
S.C.C.
Not to belabor this point (though I am on topic - a novel concept on this blog), but where does one draw the distiction between what is merely "coercive" and what constitutes torture when a detainee is subjected to repeated slaps and waterboarding?
If I can't legally use these measures when interrogating a gangbanger suspected in a shooting (bear in mind organized street gangs have claimed many more lives in this country than terrorism did on 9/11), then why is it acceptable for the military to use these techniques against "unlawful combatants," whatever those are?
Should only those who wage war on behalf of a recognized government be entitled to the protections of the Geneva convention? Aren't we carrying out torture on a technicality here?
Why are these measures only being used on prisoners detained outside the U.S. such as Guantanamo Bay? Can you really keep a straight face when you say none of these measures violate U.S. law? Exactly what U.S. law allows these interrogation tactics?
I admire your zeal for bringing the terrorists to justice and averting future attacks. However, we are the U.S. and do not (and should not) have the luxury of an "ends justify the means" approach in the war on terror.
To 9:49...
WTF? how many hundreds died on 11 Sept??? can you actually sit there and tell us torture of a few assholes (Assholes at the least) in order to save the lives of INNOCENT individuals (be them Americans, or whom ever) shuldent be condoned? If they wear a uniform, they are in the Millitary, and shuld be subjected to the Geneva Convention (not like 3rd world countries read it) If they wear a face-mask, toilet paper arround the head, a Table cloth or any thing else, The rules went out the window when the plane went into the window at the world trade, pentagon and so on.... Unfortunatly its just a matter of time before they have a chance to hit us again (I got a funny feeling that its gonna happen!) GOD FORBID if it happens here! I wouldent wish that on anyone. But... If it does, and one of yours, be it family or friend, gets killed, I'm willing to venture that you will be the first one who walks a pig into the room where Osama's mother is tied down and has the poor animal ass-rape mom while Osama is watching!
P.S. we shuld be allowed to use the same measures against these Gang bangers. Look up the acceptable deffiniton of TERRORISM, I think they fit into thet profile!
"Anonymous said...
P.S. we shuld be allowed to use the same measures against these Gang bangers. Look up the acceptable deffiniton of TERRORISM, I think they fit into thet profile!
11/25/2005 11:22:23 PM"
I am no liberal but first the terrorists, then the gang members, then "corrupt organizations", then corrupt organizations definitions will include police departments, government agencies, and then individuals who's actions disrupt society, then anyone suspected of commiting a crime.
Its a slippery slope, be careful what you wish for, you might get it.
To 9:48, Its me, 11:22:
" ...then corrupt organizations definitions will include police departments, government agencies..."
Tell me, with a straight face and no crossed fingers, that what the Dept & City Gov'mt is doing to us cant be found in the grey area of "crule and unusual"???
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