Now THIS is a Problem
One of our biggest beefs with the current national administration (and we have more than a few) is the complete lack of interest in securing the southern border. Millions of illegals stream across the border yearly and bring with them crime, decreased services, and the seeds of economic ruin. Don't get us wrong - we support immigration. CONTROLLED, LEGAL immigration. Chaos benefits no one.
Now we have this story of an armed incursion by either forces of Mexico or persons posing as a Mexican army regulars to retrieve a truckload of marijuana. In any other nation, this would be an act of war and it should be an act of war here. If Mexico refuses to secure it's border, then we ought to do it for them. Dig a trench, fence it off, whatever it takes, but when United States police officers have to retreat from enforcing American law on American soil, we have a BIG problem. Fix it. Now.
Now we have this story of an armed incursion by either forces of Mexico or persons posing as a Mexican army regulars to retrieve a truckload of marijuana. In any other nation, this would be an act of war and it should be an act of war here. If Mexico refuses to secure it's border, then we ought to do it for them. Dig a trench, fence it off, whatever it takes, but when United States police officers have to retreat from enforcing American law on American soil, we have a BIG problem. Fix it. Now.
posted by SCC at 10:20 AM
45 Comments:
I concur, we definitely have a problem with the borders. I'm a Bush fan, but I've always contended that he traded off a diluted border security plan for Hispanic election support. We should secure all of our boundaries. The U.S. / Mexico border problem is more acute, to be sure. But given the nature of the world today, all of our ports of entry should be made as airtight as possible.
Must be crazy....you stop that kind of immigration WHO'S going to pick the crops, cut the lawns and nanny the children at that special bargain below wages prices. YOU can't have it both ways
i think the only rational point to this whole post was that we need controlled legal immigration. First of all to say that millions of immigrants are coming over daily is completely unfounded. Yes I am sure that many immigrants are coming over but millions. I bet you never even seen a million people. I would not say that immigrants bring crime, its more likely that those who are already living here improverished bring crime.
It may come to as a shock to a disconnected hard living chicago cop but immigrants come here to work not to steal, which leads to another one of your bogus point ecnomic ruin. Immigrants provide a workforce that is all to needed here in this country, the jobs that some Americans feel is benath them. By working in those jobs, you would think that people would be smart enough to go to school and make something of themselves, but no they probably contribute to the crime you mentioned earlier.
It does lead to a drain on services yes, but i believe that can be attributed to the uncontrollable borders.
Your comments on digging a trench and fencing it off are just plain stupid. You know they tried that in couple places already(Berlin Wall, the new Israeli Wall) and history is teaching us that it does not work. How about mentioning some soultions that may work. How about a worker exchange program where immigrants can work here and go back to Mexico if they want.
Now I believe your real point was to discuss the problem in the article attached to this post. Instead of using general psuedo-republican arugements, maybe you should have focused on the issue. Instead of focusing on the police not being able to take the cargo, how about the alleged mexican troops. The US trained Zetas who were trained to stop the drug trade but switched sides. I think this country should learn from its mistakes about training other countries to do our dirty work.
To 11:47:16 AM Poster:
Just look at what illegal immigration has done to the state of California! Your comment about a worked exchange program and the worker returning to Mexico if they wanted! How ridiculous! If they wanted to return - how about if it is a "Workler Exchange Program" that they are forced to return. And who, that is here in this ocuntry already is going to want to go to Mexico to work/what type of jobs would be available to workers from this country in Mexico! Get real and look at what is happening in this country due to illegal immigrants! They are draining our resources dry. Why do you think that your taxes are so high? Because of the poor. And who are the poor - those fools that work the farms, mow your lawn, deliver your newspaper!
Wake up and smell the coco bean buddy. And you obviously are not the police - there is no one of us with your attitude. Liberal PUKE!
Millions daily?? Too much punch with your turkey??
There is North America (USA!) and South America... Why not just turn The space in the middle now known as Mexico into Middle America. We already have a New Mexico. This is not too far off into the future. FYI... The paln is to eliminate borders all together. It's coming... The end is near.
Hey M! How come you forgot to mention in your rant the Mexican forces were U.S. trained and have now switched sides to be with the drug cartels? Wouldn't be the first time we got burned, eh?
Also, it seems you wish to lump all Mexican nationals, many who work BELOW minimum wage for rich, WHITE-owned companies in with these drug dealers.
Finally, I guess we are also to forget the evils the 'ole red, white and blue has done to Mexico in the past 200 years or so. Where's the indignation for those poor souls?
The Liberals that claim to be pro-labor watched America's unions get gutted and workers wages get flushed down the toilet.
How you ask? The open door immigration policy that has gotten support from both anti-labor Conservativs and the extreem Left Wing. Strange bedfellows.
At this rate Mayor Daley can be expected to fire cops and firemen who are undocumented someday soon.
Imagine non-English speaking Chicago Cops booking cases into Spanish speaking only courts. The Communications center with a special section of Spanish only officers they dispatch to whatever districts "need" them. Far fetched? It's comming soon....
First paragraph correction HIRE nt fire copa...
I back Bush, voted for him twice. But this is one area he is fucking up royally.
Armed Mexican commandos cross our border and jack our cops of siezed dope. Nice going. It's time we got serious about our borders. No one seems to remember the reports of catching some Al Queda trying to cross over from Mexico.
Thank Bush and his cronies for playing politics and not securing our borders. Godforbid they lose Hispanic votes!
To 12:24:05
Actually there is an area called Central America in my atlas already.
Hmmmmm
"It may come to as a shock to a disconnected hard living chicago cop but immigrants come here to work not to steal, which leads to another one of your bogus point ecnomic ruin."
Yea and i'm sure that they all get HMO's and 401k's Right? or does that come out of my taxes? And they pay taxes outa their salary? They dont get paid in cash right?
" Immigrants provide a workforce that is all to needed here in this country, the jobs that some Americans feel is benath them."
I have a great idea for a new wealfare program. It'll be called " WORK OR STARVE!"
Deport anyone who is not here legally. Remove everyone from publicaid, minus those who really can't work (*this doesnt include the 24yoa who smokes weed but is on disability because of his asthma work an office job*), and put them to work in the jobs that the deported persons left vacant. Our unemployment rate would be like .5 percent.Whatever happened to working hard to get ahead in this country. Everyone can't start out on the top!
Does anybody else see the irony of who the supporters of illegal immigration are?? The large corporations want it for the cheap labor, and the liberals want it for the political power/gov't$$$. They both want to keep these Mexicans enslaved for their own purposes.
Strange bedfellows indeed.
after 9/11, our borders should have been sealed shut!
Within fifty years, Mexico will have "conquered" the USA without firing a shot.
Hasta luego!
Actually the Israeli wall is working. Heard through the press that suicide attacks are down because of it.
NOTE to 11/25/2005 12:21:20 PM: Corrected "daily" to "yearly." Too much Thanksgiving cheer - our apologies
POINT to 11/25/2005 11:47:16 AM: Actually, the Berlin Wall was built to keep people in - it worked. The Israeli Wall was built to keep suicide bombers out and has resulted in a 99% DECREASE in attacks - it worked. Even the Maginot Line worked in France - the Nazi's just went around it.
Its too bad that your not smart enough to realize, that they are getting paid in cash because they are illegal. Under a worker exchange program they could pay taxes and maybe get a the oh so lovely HMO that screws over Americans everyday anyway.
But god forbid we pay taxes for the betterment of people. I became a police officer for 2 reasons: 1. it was and still is a honest job with good pay, and 2. because I wanted to help. I am not war veteran, but I am a Chicago cop and I just like you work these streets to try and make them a little safer for my family and yours. This is a service I provide and get paid for by the people of this city with their tax dollars. So everytime we lose one of our benefits, we can thank tax cuts for those extra dollars here and there. That extra money in indivduals pockets is not going to make a difference, but pull that money together and maybe we can have some more money for programs. I dont mind more taxes and paying more as long as it means a better life for me and those around me.
Sure thing! But can we fill the moat with allegators?? Fools.
SCC, are you going to cook up my burrito? Are you going to take a side job cleaning all the downtown offices?
people and businesses PROFIT of the illegals. That is why it is allowed to continue.
Anonymous said...
"It may come to as a shock to a disconnected hard living chicago cop but immigrants come here to work not to steal, which leads to another one of your bogus point ecnomic ruin."
Yea and i'm sure that they all get HMO's and 401k's Right? or does that come out of my taxes? And they pay taxes outa their salary? They dont get paid in cash right?
*** They get paid cash because their EMPLOYER does not want to pay taxes! Who do you think is calling the shots?
" Immigrants provide a workforce that is all to needed here in this country, the jobs that some Americans feel is benath them."
I have a great idea for a new wealfare program. It'll be called " WORK OR STARVE!"
Deport anyone who is not here legally. Remove everyone from publicaid, minus those who really can't work (*this doesnt include the 24yoa who smokes weed but is on disability because of his asthma work an office job*), and put them to work in the jobs that the deported persons left vacant. Our unemployment rate would be like .5 percent.Whatever happened to working hard to get ahead in this country. Everyone can't start out on the top!
**** Man.... that's called slavery. Ya'll can't be doing that shit no-moe!
11/25/2005 02:02:21 PM
Whatever, Commander Roy is still a snake. Dont trust him.
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**** Man.... that's called slavery. Ya'll can't be doing that shit no-moe!
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Its not slavery if people are paid a wage for doing work. Instead of the current system where we spend millons of tax dollars to provide link cards that work like atm cards so joe and his lady can argue over how many rocks to buy. And you get the call as a domestic...which adds to the money drained from the taxes we all pay.
Former Black Panther Ordered Back to U.S.
Former Black Panther Memeber Linked to 1960s Police Shooting Ordered Extradited to the United States
The Associated Press
TORONTO - A suspected former Black Panther member accused of shooting a Chicago police officer more than 35 years ago was ordered extradited to the United States Friday.
Court officials said Joseph Pannell, a former Toronto library worker who spent more than two decades living in Toronto, allegedly shot when he was 19 and a member of the black militant group.
After the Toronto court ruling, Pannell's wife and four children stood in protest outside the downtown U.S. Consulate.
"We all have bleeding hearts right now, but this is not over," said Pannell's wife, Natercia Coelho. She said they would appeal.
The 1969 shooting of patrolman Terrence Knox, who was left paralyzed, came at the height of notoriety for the Black Panthers.
Pannell was arrested but fled the country after he was freed on bail in 1973. He apparently lived in Montreal for several years before moving to Toronto.
Immigration officials caught up with him in July 2004, acting on a request from the FBI. It wasn't immediately clear where he was being held or how quickly the extradition order could be carried out.
I say send out TRU and SOS to solve the problem. They do a great job on 18th street so why not the messican border.
10:09:24
i find it hard to believe that those sneaking across the southern border have open containers of alcohol. without that, TRU couldn't make their Drinking on the Public Way arrests. what would they do? they'd be lost.
Let us not forget Hedrian's Wall.
That was built to keep out the Irish.
i don't think you can ever effectivly seal a border. as long as people are motivated to get in or out they will. our nation is at greater risk from within than from without. corruption, at every level, leaves us weak against all enimies, both foriegn and domestic. you can see it at work on a small scale.....money missspent, personell, selected for the wrong reasons then under trained and under equiped. we in the u.s. want it cheap and easy and NOW!. greed ,lazzyness and stupidity on our part will lead to our downfall.
The nature of the beast.
While the last poster presents some cogent reasoning, I predict that "the spelling police" are gonna jump all over over this post.
Bajiz??? we downe neet no steenkingk bajiz.
I LOVE the liberal pukes that claim they are here to earn a "living wage". Illegal means against the law, but give them everything free medical, link cards even an education. Let's make it easy for them to "live here" by posting information in spanish. Latest sign that the end is near they want to give ILLEGALS the right to vote in NY. Who is paying for it WE ARE!...How come so many different immigrants came from Europe without any government assistance? If you think the mexican immigration problem isn't a problem in Chicago Go to the 10th district during Mexican Independence Week....savages out of control given free reign to do as they please.
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To: 02:25:41
Hey dipshit,
How about all the DP's in 025 and 016? These dumbfuck stinky Poles drink and drive, LOOOOVE Heroin, Steal anything they can get their nasty mitts on, and have no respect for the police like the other "illegals."
Same with the Bosnians, Russians, and yes, even the Irish immigrants. I've dealt with them, been in their filthy homes, and thought, "who the fuck let these nasties in?"
Also, They sure do PIMP their whores alot, just like the other "illegals."
Mexican Police my ass. Without even reading the article, this screams "Drug cartel" all over.
Why the fuck didn't the police fire on these assholes? They crossed the border, illegally, carrying weapons and then stuck them up? Sounds like a
good enopugh reason to shoot to me.
If we had done the same thing, you'd be reading about a bunch of dead Americans south of the border instead of this embarassing debacle.
The illegals (of all nationalities) don't pay taxes other than sales taxes. They use false ID's to gain welfare. They are treated to free medical care and free education, not to mention the extra $$$ for the needed teachers to teach English as a second language. There are a huge number of illegals in our prisons, and even more outside our prisons still committing crime and draining our resources to stop them. They are driving uninsured and unlicensed, and when there is an accident, they aren't to be found ever again, so our insurance rates go up. They have children here while they are here illegally, and put these children on welfare (because by some stupid law if you are born here, even illegally, you have citizenship), then when they are to be deported, they claim that the government is trying to beak up the family and fight it in court. We have to have signs in foreign languages because many of these refuse to learn the national language.
Every one of the above points costs large amounts of money. I would say that the illegals cost more than the revenue that they bring in. Where does the money they earn go???? The second largest income for the country of Mexico after oil is money sent from the U.S. These people have no loyalty to our country, they just suck off the teats of the American People.
We need to get tough on our borders and send the illegals back instead of rewarding then with amnesty (like Clinton did). The jobs that they do aren't desirable jobs, but if they paid a decent wage somebody would do them. An example of that is a garbageman.
Neither party wants to get tough because they both are courting the Hispanic vote, so this problem will continue. Learn Spanish and Polish, my friends, because that is the wave of the future.
I am going to take Lefty out for a burrito and rip him a new one for his liberal insanity.
the last post sounds like it is coming from a DFWM (Dumb Fuckin White Man). Ha, What an idiot you have to be to say all immigrants are bad. Unless your ass is indian (feather not dot) then your a immigrant too. But Im sure you will say no I was born here and so was my family. Well guess what asshole, that dumb law about getting citizenship where you born applies to you to. Make a educated arguement if you are going to make one, dont waste everyones time with your racist rhetoric.
Anonymous said...
I LOVE the liberal pukes that claim they are here to earn a "living wage". Illegal means against the law, but give them everything free medical, link cards even an education. Let's make it easy for them to "live here" by posting information in spanish. Latest sign that the end is near they want to give ILLEGALS the right to vote in NY. Who is paying for it WE ARE!...How come so many different immigrants came from Europe without any government assistance? If you think the mexican immigration problem isn't a problem in Chicago Go to the 10th district during Mexican Independence Week....savages out of control given free reign to do as they please.
11/26/2005 02:25:41 PM
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You are a dupe.
I have not heard ONE republican trying to stop this. The rich business owners profit off this and that is why it still exists. NOT cause of some softy liberal's morals. This is a CAPITALIST country and things that persist, profit. Otherwise they will not presist!
Look at Walmart, they got busted a SECOND time for having ILLEGAL POLISH IMMIGRANTS working in their stores. These companies make BILLIONS of dollars yearly and if your sorry middle class wannabe republican ass has to pay more taxes inorder to take one for "The Team", you should feel proud to help the Big Boys.
There is no political party for us in the middle. America is a great place if you are really rich or really poor, more so for the former. Those of us in the middle just pay the bill. If you really are a Republican you would not be complaining about businesses turing better profits. Those are "your" people right? Think of your taxes dollars going to boost Walmart, et. al.'s bottom line.
If you don't like this, then you are not really a Republican.
5:21:43
If you were to read my post, I was talking about illegal aliens, not legal immigrants. I am for legal immigration. That seems to be a problem with those who support your viewpoint. You seem to make no distinction between illegal and legal immigration. I do. I feel that if you want to be a part of this country, you should follow our laws. Another problem those of your viewpoint has is that if someone disagrees with you, you quite often call him/her a racist.
Let me clarify something else. I feel that the children of illegal aliens should not be granted citizenship just because they were born on this soil. I do feel that the offspring of legal citizens should have that right. Let me really rile you up...The Minuteman Project is doing this country a great service!
I SAYS SEND MO OVER THERE THEY'LL FUCKING DESTROY MEXICO!!!!!!!! BE FUCKING GREAT...LETS MAKE CHICAGO ALL MO FREE!
MO LIKE MEXICO@!!!!!!
MO LIKE IT WARM TOOO.......SHIAT.....PASS THAT SHIT OVER DAWG.........MO MEXICO! HUH?????
> If you are ready for the adventure of a lifetime, TRY
THIS.
>
> - Enter Mexico illegally. Never mind immigration quotas,
> visas, international law, or any of that nonsense.
>
> - Once there, demand that the local government provide
free
> medical care for you and your entire family.
>
> - Demand bilingual nurses and doctors.
>
> - Demand free bilingual local government forms,
bulletins,
> etc.
> Procreate abundantly.
>
> - Deflect any criticism of this allegedly irresponsible
> reproductive behavior with, "It is a cultural U.S.A. thing. You
> would
> not understand, pal."
>
> - Keep your American identity strong. Fly Old Glory
from
> your rooftop, or proudly display it in your front window or on your
> car bumper.
>
> - Speak only English at home and in public and insist
that
> your children do likewise.
>
> - Demand classes on American culture in the Mexican
school
> system.
>
> - Demand a local Mexican driver license. This will
afford
> other legal rights and will go far to legitimize your unauthorized,
> illegal, presence in Mexico.
>
> - Drive around with no liability insurance and ignore
local
> traffic laws.
>
> - Insist that local Mexican law enforcement teach English
to
> all its officers.
>
> Good luck! You'll be demanding for the rest of time or
until
> you're dead. Because it will never happen. It will not happen in
> Mexico or any other country in the world except right here in the
> United States.
> Land
> of the naive!
>
> If you agree, pass it on. If you don't, go ahead and try
> the
> above in Mexico or Iraq.
>
last post is another Dumb Fucking White Man, hahahahahahaha.
11/27/2005 05:21:43 PM 11/28/2005 07:39:26 PM
Are you a racist or are your parents illegal, and thats why you are all upset about this thread? Another exapmle of a person caring more about the country of their ancestry instead of the country of their birth! Try to assimilate, and tell your peeps to do so to!
only people i am racist against is Dumb Fucking White Men like yourself. I Red White and Blue baby.
I am an intelligent, celibate white man. Can we hang out?
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