Bail Set
Channel 2, Channel 5, Channel 7 and the Tribune have follow up to yesterday's announcements of the arrests of four Special Operations officers. Bail was set from $1.5 million all the way up to $3 million. The most disturbing about the entire proceeding was this little tidbit:
- "The defendants, along with other as of yet uncharged officers, abused their authority and sworn police powers to terrorize and steal from the people of this city," he said.
"...as of yet uncharged officers..." could mean a couple of things. It could be a power play by the State's Attorney to get one or more people to crack. It could be that a whole bunch more people are going to get caught up in this.
In any case, it's looking ugly.
In any case, it's looking ugly.
posted by SCC at 6:00 PM
110 Comments:
can you imagine how the offenders who they locked up or threw a case on them illegally would do if they saw them in the joint next to them! they are sure to get a beating.
this "blog" has helped slander the names of many oficers one of which was me. the allegations brought against these officers are just that, allegations. i have worked w/ all but 1 of the officers involved and i can tell you that most if not all of these charges are bullshit, add ons by the state to force pleas. i will not deny that some might prove to be true but from what i read here and hear on the street i am glad i do not
any details on that bust up on northside from area 2 gun team that netted 60 plus weapons. the fireman arrested worked in Chicago and was charged with several felonies. Not another gun collector? SCC?
BAIL.........It would be interesting to know if the judge has ever set a 3 million dollar bond before...I highly doubt it.
Hey Scc, remember Susy Schultz? The worlds stupidest person...guess she found out about this site..
http://www.chicagoparent.com/main.asp?SectionID=8&SubSectionID=43&ArticleID=6351&TM=73051.91
On a lighter note I was at 26th today and the "acting president of the county board" has her fat ass mug plastered all over the place. I wonder what that cost us.
3 Million?? Isn't that a bit extreme? There are people committing murder out there that get less bail. Doesn't that scream politically motivated? What kind of danger are they to society? What kind of flight risk are they? This is absurd!!
How about the Cook County State Attorney's Office and the Cook County Circuit Court produce all bonds set in the last month. The charge and bond! I wonder how many violent crimes were set at the bonds of these Chicago Police Officers who very well may only be guilty of Official Misconduct (what the public would consider Official Misconduct.) There are going to be alot of heavy hearts if these officers were only do their jobs in that gray area that many of us do. You know bosses, the conduct all of you have condoned, including you, Superintendent. Can we please be deployed to do your political dirty work. Let's talk about mutual comabatancy, do you think the State would be interested in that? Maybe the FEDS would. Gangs/Guns/and Drugs. Isn't that our motto? I'll bet many police officers would be very surprised what the State Attorney's office is going to consider Home Invasion, with a handgun, is now armed violence. Every search warrant executed immediately generates a money beef. If the search is conducted with the resident present and unable to leave, that very well may be kidnapping. Go out there and kick ass and take names boys, stand on the stage and get the award from the Superintendent and the Mayor, but save your money for the attorney in election year!
No copper who has hit the joint has ever gone into the general prison population that i know of.
Looks like Slander is confused a little.
If I win the MEGA lotto, I will make their bonds. God Bless their families.
A Sister in Blue....
I find all of these charges approved by the State against these officers to be amazing. You could have a serial killer in custody and you can't get charges approved, even if Mother Teresa were the witness. These political fucking hacks!
Hey Scc, remember Susy Schultz? The worlds stupidest person...guess she found out about this site..
http://www.chicagoparent.com/main.asp?SectionID=8&SubSectionID=43&ArticleID=6351&TM=73051.91
Wow! She really is a strange one - huh!? The one thing that bothers me about her article is that she assumes that it's all police officers who write on this blog. While many are, there are still quite a few others who are not. There are spouses, retirees, friends and family members. So she can't take from this blog the idea that it is all racist police officers. Rememeber, there are not too many here that post under a dedicated ID where we know that they're police officers.
The Area 2 Gun team specializes in going after White middle aged gun collectors without prior criminal records and ruins their lives.
They'll never take me alive!
I think someone needs to take Ms. Suzy Shultz on a ride-along in 011,015, 007, etc. etc. and open her (liberal bleeding heart) eyes to the real world from which these kids come from. Oh that's right...we don't do ride-alongs anymore. But honestly, with the way she thinks, it wouldn't make a bit of a difference.
She's living in a fantasy world and I can't believe what happened to her hasn't opened her eyes yet.
She's still defending these kids, unbelievable.
wiilie lloyds bonds were never that high...........
SCC,
Should add an banner to you entry site stating "remember always at most believe only half of what you see and nothing of what you hear."
Retired640
face it people... they are fucking dirty. every single one of you knows it. the shit caught up to them. they made their beds and now they have to lay in 'em.
Just watched FOX news at 9:00, looks like some over zelous coppers took a gun collectors gun collection and charged him. Anyone watching saw that every single one of his guns were collectors guns and not the ones used by the thugs on the streets. I bet these same coppers never made a gun pinch from a street stop.
Did anyone see E.F. of the CPD standing behind Devine when he was talking about the officers. He had that smirk fucking look on his face that he always had. He will probably take the creidt for the pinch. What a Fucking asshole.
That firefighter is a pretty decent guy. From what I've heard, he states he is a collector and also tuned guns for coppers. FYI: If you gave your weapon to a northsider fireman, you might want to see when you will get it back. He had 65 or so weapons, but only a few automatics, so he should get most of it back. Gun team was out to collect numbers, nothing more. Most were hunting shotguns or sidearms, many antique WWI and WWII issue.
The bunch from 015th or 007th appear not to get the same benefit of a doubt....upon public disclosure they appear immediately guilty, tried in the public forum, and by their supposed peers ......all before the verdict was in. What makes this group the exception?
When was the last time any OFFICERS of the CPD have been accused of any type of crimes so publicly and been exonerated? There appears to be alot of people that knew these guys and knew of them...The shoe has dropped and these guys have appear to have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar. I do have sympathy for their children and families, but in the long run these guys and their antic provided for themselves and their love ones by ill gotten gains. I can not and will not subscribed to any benefits or fund raisers in their behalf. They made a decision not once but what appears several times for self enrichment, probably there are others who have fallen under the radar and are sweating it out. What they (the accused) have done is to belittle themseves and each and ever member of the CPD, present and past..Feeling sorry for them is a waste of time and energy.
this "blog" has helped slander the names of many oficers one of which was me. the allegations brought against these officers are just that, allegations. i have worked w/ all but 1 of the officers involved and i can tell you that most if not all of these charges are bullshit, add ons by the state to force pleas. i will not deny that some might prove to be true but from what i read here and hear on the street i am glad i do
I agree with this statement were in a political year, and ricthie has his under ling devine about to stick it to these guys. that way he can run as a "corrupt police buster" he is an Ass of the first degree vote for any one else. Guilty of some lesser crime? probably. But all the stuff thier charged with no way. DCS? come on, probably traded a rock to some hype to give up the spot it all sucks balls. I have offically deceided to become a do nothing. Whats the freakin point
IN CPD hard work = bend over and get fuc ed
I was at the DOC meeting tonight, they treated the Area 2 Gun team like they were heroes with their big bust. I don't know the facts behind the case, I wasn't there, and if even one of these guns was headed to the streets , then I applaud them. On the other hand, if this was a straight up gun collecter, then I say spend some more time in your own area getting the thousands of guns off the street that are in the gang bangers hands. Thanks for your time.
Dickhead devine and the mayor convicted our SOS boys in the media,what else is new,I guess as a PO in this city you are guilty until proven innocent,bring on JJ JR.
Initial Bail means nothing. Let's see if they can get bail reductions like other accused criminals do all the time.
ANYONE KNOW THE FIREMANS NAME? TED MAYBE?
All you guys complaining about the bail, you knew from the get go that we are "held to a higher standard".
And of course there are more charges coming. There are more than four cops that have violated the law (not necessarily in a theiving kind of way) in Sos and every where else for that matter and these guys are gonna tell all they know. As I said in an earlier post the days of doing "gray area" policing are over...if you have half a brain and enjoy the virginity of your asshole.
To 09:54:18- What gives you the right to judge your fellow officers? That so-called "gentleman" gun collector has a dubious past and notorious lineage..but you probably have a lot in common eh? Remember, BLUE and GREEN makes YELLOW. Ponder on that for a while! Stay BLUE and TRUE!
I guess I was right...Capt in 009 WAS dumped to 013. Maybe he DID catch the commander with his hand in the cookie jar
Dear SCC, it has been a fun ride but I think it is now time to end this blog. On Fox32 news the reporter stated that an unnamed source has implicated the four officers in a murder. I think this reporter's unnamed source was some idiot on this blog. (I remember seeing an anonymous post like that a while ago.) This site was good when it was coppers beefing about the job, but now reporters and others (IAD, Bosses, Defense Attys, et al...) are using rumors from this site as a legitimate information source. I know that you are going to say that it is their problem and that they could get in trouble for using rumors as fact. Unfortunately, it is time to end it. This is my last post. I hope you heed this request. The idiots (CPD and non-CPD) have made all of us hardworking coppers look bad long enough. Even with your diligent moderation this site is now hurting us.
Initial Bail means nothing. Let's see if they can get bail reductions like other accused criminals do all the time.
9/08/2006 11:03:04 PM
Bullshit!!! It means they have to sit in COOK COUNTY JAIL for at least the weekend!!! Think about that! Imagine yourself in County for a few hours, much less a few days. Maybe with guys they put in there recently.
I've worked with two of these guys several years ago. Socially, I think they are great guys. But I have no problem believing they are guilty based on my own experience with them. Devine is defintiely piling on the charges, but let's not kid ourselves here; these guys brought in huge numbers by any means necessary and often bragged about having "a little left over to have lunch with". The gray area is one thing, straight out home invasions are another, and that is what SOS (and the number counting bosses) relied on.
If you can't figure out a way to do your job without violating the law, don't you dare whine when you get a spanking. Do it right and you never have to worry about this kind of shit. J.F. used to brag about how he beat almost all of his beefs, just like I see some of you doing here. I hope and pray that one day you don't end up where he is sleeping tonight.
Hey they can't throw all of us in Jail.
Hey do you think the department knew about this and did nothing? My guess is these guys came on the federal radar screen and the feds told the CCSA (Cook county states attorney) 'hey we'll give you dumb fucking democrats a chance to actually clean up a little corruption in your shithole town'. The CCSA jumped at it and who can blame them. We know there are a lot more scandals to come as well. What do you expect when you let shit heads, I mean democrats run something. You can't blame the white shirts, they not part of the problem, they are the fucking problem.
Get ready for the Feds to start running the CPD. Better start showing up and leaving work on time.
(That's for the fucknuts who don't work as patrolmen on the street)
Let's not all fall victim to social hysteria. Police Memorial T-Shirts are on sale and the initial vigil is upcoming. There is a lot of good in the Police Community; a lot of professionalism- when you actually look for it. Yes, a bad apple spoils the bunch, but shame on us for Monday morning quarter-backing. For each on of the 'Fuck You's' out there, how many suggestions to correct this problem? I think they ougghta stay true to the edict by Terry Hillard NO COPS WITH LESS THAN 5 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN SPECIALIZED UNITS.
The majority of the po's in SOS are complete jagoffs!!! They need to check their egos and watch their backs. These assholes are bringing major heat on everyone. I agree, who knows what really happened, but it's not like this was one case. This was a pattern of events, not looking too good. F*ck SOS
Lets be sensible here. There are plenty of guys on here who have decided these guys got what they deserve. There are also plenty on here who defend what they have done or implicated to have done as grey area and some who outright believe they are innocent. There are guys on here who use this incident to bash 2 year wonders,FOP and clout babies.(that would be their targets no matter the incident) There are guys that will use this incident to advocate being a "dog".
The winds of charge are a blowing. However, I seriously doubt that appropriate changes will be made.
If you have ever had the pleasure of attending a DOC meeting you will know what I'm talking about.
Commander from Dist A stands up and gives a rundown of activity from his troops. " 325 arrest, 55 citations from 3 seatbelt enforcements, 250 contact cards 42 dispersals and on and on and on.....what the the commander doesnt say is 300 of those arrested were crimes ranging from solicitation, drinking on the public way and trespass. Whats my point? The mindset of quanity over quality is rampant in this department. I would love to hear a commander one day stand up and say "I dont have shit, 75% of the time my manpower is so low I'am only able to man beat cars and 90% of the time we are in a backlog. I dont have the bodies nor the time to gather meaningless stats." The man wouldnt be a commander very long but boy would he be a hero.
Nope a commander isnt going to do that. He is going to require his watch commanders to have 3 outdoor roll calls a week along with endless seatbelt enforcement missions. He will pressure his watch commanders to limit time due so that he can produce these meaningless numbers. He doesnt care how they are obtained as long as he has them. He will require his tact Lt. to produce numbers "edge missions" thus DOPW, Sol. UnLawfull Bus. and Trespassers. I dont blame the tact guys, I dont blame the Sgt.s nor the Lt.s.....I blame the exempts!
Remember boys it QUANITY OVER QUALITY!!!!
Does this excuse officers for being criminal? Absolutely not but it reeks of upper management turning a blind eye for the almighty numbers game. And now with all the hand wringing that will be going on they will come up with solutions and quick fixes...i.e. inspectors and other accountability measures. Sad thing is they will never be able to come to the conclusion that maybe they are the problem and they need to change their management styles.
I just heard that their supervising LT who was dumped wore a wire on the guys and just turned in his retirement papers!!!!
THE PROSTITUTION RUMOR IS WHAT IT IS.........TOTAL BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!
I REMEMBER A SHOW FROM MY YOUTH, AND THE OPENING SONG WENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS........"DON'T DO THE CRIME IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME, YEA,YEA, YEA, DON'T DO IT!!!
AND KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE SPAROW!!!!!"
If the fireman was a gun collector, then so be it. But I saw some nazi paraphernalia on the news that was also seized with those guns from that fireman's house. I don't know, but all those guns and the nazi stuff, the bulletproof vests, that kinda bothers me. I got the feeling that there's more to this guy that they weren't saying on the news. And if that's the case, then I'm glad those guns are off the street, especially those full auto machineguns. Lots of sickies out there with respectable jobs, doing some unrespectable shit out there. We got some of our own on the news every day for that already.
I read in the paper that the fireman arrested with all those guns was arrested before for failing to register, so I wouldn't say his record is "spotless." But what's up with the machineguns and ballistic vests and swastika arm bands? Is this guy a wannabe, or does he have some other issues? I'm not so sure I'd want that guy next door to me and my kids!
Hey RA in traffic, you coward, why don't you go find some place else to print your purple prose. You are nothing but an overeducated idiot. You can't fool anyone by your new personna. You were never the police and never wanted to be the police. All you want is the money from the overtime you steal.
You were never a real cop and still pretend to be one. Everyone hates you, even the guys in your own unit. So you chaned your blog name. But, I know who you are, and I know what you have done and who on the job you have hurt. Oh, and I do not work in Traffic.
Oh, and their is never any tactical reason to go on the passenger side on a traffic stop. Unless you want to get an Indian Beauty mark; shot in the forhead. maybe you want to make a fashion statement.
im not taking sides.......but i agreee the media has already convicted these guys. whenever they charge a copper they (asa's) and trust me they are NOT your friends throw every charge at you.
I dont know what these guys did but if they were dirty...then rot in hell if they were innocent....sue the daylights out of the city like everyone else does.
p.s. are we going to have health insurance after 2013?
hey my citywide seniority just went up a few spots. now i can get TARA, CHA, and the airports...less competition on the sgts exam- what more could i ask for?!
a year long investigation, and the arrests all over the media. we all know they're not coming back- now it's all about trying to keep their asses out of prison or at least lower the sentence.
they should count their blessings that it wasn't a federal case or they would be sharing cells with pac-man & the rest of 'em.
sux 2 b u,
love & peace
Excuse me but can I remind you all that the ringleader from the officers arrested from the 007th district did NOT have a bond...
09/09/2006 07:54:00 AM
saturday suntimes- has the sos officers mug shots. very sad
the fu@#$% lt. had a wire on and set these guys up!!!!!!!!! what bullshit! unbelievable! im pi$$T
I have not posted for a long time but, one of the comments was so good that I had to respond. To 02:46:45AM, AMEN!!!!!!!!!! I don't know who you are but, could you please run for FOP President!!!! You hit the biggest nail right on the head!!!!!
they should count their blessings that it wasn't a federal case or they would be sharing cells with pac-man & the rest of 'em.
sux 2 b u,
love & peace
9/09/2006 07:37:17 AM
You guys all saying they should be thankful it isn't Federal are fucking ignorant! Think about it, a few years in a Federal Prison camp or 10 -30 in the Illinois Correctional System? I can't imagine ever facing a prison sentence, bet I'd prefer a Federal camp in Colorado like some other past officers did time in compared to one day in Pontiac or Menard!
You think County is bad....check out the rest of IDOC!
Guilty or not guilty the jury pool is tainted by the "he said she said media. Fox Byron, stated that they have a person who is svared to show their face but swears murder charges will be filed against these officers. What the fuck! They can slander anyone like that?? Thats bullshit either way, guilty or nor. Its bullshit!
WOW AFTER READING THE TRIBUNE I DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR THESE GUYS AT ALL. FOR STARTERS WHAT THEY DID WAS WRONG SECONDLY FOR HOW DUMB THEY WERE AND I MEAN DUMB! ACTIONS J.F. PAYING HIS MORTGAGE CAR NOTES IN CASH. K.H. DEPOSITING $95,000 DOLLARS IN HIS BANK ACCOUNT! C.S. DEPOSITING $77,000 IN HIS BANK ACCOUNTS! HELLLLLLLLO PAPER TRAIL? DUHHHHHHHHHHHHH YOU EVER HEAR OF SAFETY DEPOSIT BOXES? MATRESSES? WHAT IDIOTS. SOMETIMES I ASK MY PARTNER WHY DO THE CRIMINALS DO SUCH DUM THINGS AND HE SAYS COMON THEY ARE CRIMINALS. THEY DONT THINK. WELL IT IS OBVIOUS THESE GUYS DIDNT THINK.
From Tribune...
Finnigan and his wife "do not have a single checking account with any financial institution. All normal household expenses, including two home mortgages, two car payments and utilities, are paid with cash, money orders or cashier's checks," Knibbs said at the hearing.
Over about three years, Herrera deposited $95,000 into his bank accounts that had not been declared as income, Knibbs said. During the same period, Suchocki allegedly deposited $77,000.
No checking account? Everything paid in cash. No need for a benefit because it looks like they have enough money for the lawyers.
This copper must be lying too.
In December 2002, Finnigan and other officers allegedly forced their way into the home of an off-duty officer who woke up to find the men ransacking his home. The officers left when the off-duty cop's daughter showed Finnigan his badge, Knibbs said.
Face it they are sooo done.
"Crying won't help you. Praying will do you no good."
-Zeppelin-
To the person posting about the 009th dist....Is that the guy who was on the pension board that forgave the city of millions of dollars on a loan that was taken out of our pension??
I just read the Suzie Shultz article... She is a moron. She says shes not a tree hugger.... She is beyond tree hugging.
I retard would know better then to give these kids a ride.
Hey Suzy why dont you help me out... clean my house, cut my grass, pay my taxs and wash my cars because I am too lazy to do it.
PLEASE help me with this thought. If the crime was such a reign of terror and the rumors of these SOS officers being investigated for 4 years is true. What ever happened to the departments integrity checks. Seems to me that the department did all it could to exhonerate these officers including providing them with medals even with large clouds of suspicion were circulating. The department got boxed into a corner then had to REACT. If these guys were as bold as discussed in the media why didnt the higher-ups set up several inegrity check long ago to minimize the damage to everyone, the CPD, the coppers involved, the good and bad guys. This hole situation stinks from the VERY top to the bottom.
This is a wake up call for the stupid. The department tells you (especially guys in units such as SOS) to go out and get the guns and drugs of the street. Do what you gotta do...wink,wink. But when push comes to shove and its you or them, you are going be hung out to dry.Like a bad spy movie, they are going to deny any knowledge of your "secret mission". All those guys had chests full of medals. That and $.50 will get them a phone call to their lawyer. You take the risks and the exempts go to the DOC meeting and the press and reap the rewards. Don't be a dog, do your job to the fullest extent of the law and back up other officers, thats more than enough.
just heard that their supervising LT who was dumped wore a wire on the guys and just turned in his retirement papers!!!!
IN RESPONSE TO YOUR POSTING GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU SLANDER THE LT IN SOS .
FACT : HE DID NOT HAVE A WIRE
FACT :HE PLANNED ON RETIRING YEARS AGO YOU GOOF
Can SCC please post a LINK or some info on the Fireman who had guns seized at his home? WHAT IS THE DEAL? & WHAT IS WRONG WITH THAT GUN TEAM? Where is the supervision?
The fireman was born in Venuzula, will they deport him?
if half of the story in the Trib is accurate, they deserve whatever they get...they make all of us look like garbage
After reading the Tribune article about undeclared income I've come to the conclusion that this group of Officers are in Big Fucken Trouble. What were they thinking ?
They were Police officers for a number of years but they acted like someone who didn't know about paper trails. WTF. They deserve what they a will get , very long prison terms. Don't give me that shit about there innocent until proven guilty either. As far as I'm concerned there guilty , guilty , guilty. Anyone that buys a ticket for there benefit is NUTS !
HEY, WHY DO YOU ALL SPOUT OUT WHAT THE PAPER SAYS AND REGARD IT AS THE TRUTH, BUT THEN WHEN IT'S ABOUT YOU, YOU SAY-OH, YOU KNOW THE MEDIA, DON'T BELEIVE WHAT YOU READ IN THE PAPERS OR SEE ON TV. SOUNDS LIKE A DOUBLE STANDARD TO ME. NEXT, IT'S NICE THAT THE STATE GOT TO PRESENT THEIR SIDE OF IT AT BOND COURT, HOWEVER WERE ANY OF THE OFFICERS ALLOWED ONE WORD TO EVEN TRY TO EXPLAIN? AGAIN, I DO NOT CONDONE STEALING, BUT IT'S BEEN VERY ONE SIDED-LET THEM HAVE THEIR DAY TO SPEAK, THEN JUDGE. UNTIL THEN KEEP YOUR MEDIA FILLED MOUTHS SHUT!!!!
The majority of the po's in SOS are complete jagoffs!!! They need to check their egos and watch their backs. These assholes are bringing major heat on everyone. I agree, who knows what really happened, but it's not like this was one case. This was a pattern of events, not looking too good. F*ck SOS
9/09/2006 02:33:18 AM
Above is yet another reason I refrain from posting.
What are you afraid of exactly?
Get a grip on reality, what you have so far is a MEDIA Frenzy of portrayals of the officer's and allegations! Was there a full trial and a lot of us missed it, NO as this story just opened up. Since when did we become Judge and Jury isn't that an arena were to stay out of? Your post is like so many other gossip posts on this site. Stir the pot start the action and try and call out other's, pathetic! Got news for ya. If your actually police you should already be able to handle the heat, so your either a player, a newbie or a dog in dress playing cop.
Again I ask, what are you afraid of? If your police and you like your check then DO your job and stop huddling in your secret corner whispering gossip sessions, now get back to work!
The Sup. was at sos rollcall friday night and says unit to stay, no plans of disbanding.
if half of the story in the Trib is accurate, they deserve whatever they get...they make all of us look like garbage
9/09/2006 03:08:08 PM
NO they don't! That responsibility falls to each and everyone of you. What's the matta wit chu? Can't hold up your own head long enough to see straight.
This is what's wrong on this job today, a bunch of cry babies who want to blame someone else for why they can't do their job as a professional. The only thing that hinders us is Pol's and poor management filled with lousy administration......and spineless bodes in uniform!
i think one of them will flip and make a deal to shave a few years off- the rest will do their time or bite the bullet.
i'm barely living paycheck to paycheck. how the hell can these guys deposit all this cash. JF had 2 mortgages and 2 car notes, and everything was paid in cash.
HELLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
why hasn't the government prosecuted these officers?...These are cleary allegations that fall under the civil rights act.....I am hoping its because its a weak case and the G wanted nothing to do with it.
9/09/2006 03:27:06 PM
You my friend are soft!
Most of what's in the media right now and being posted on this thread is detailed from the ASA's case presented at bond court; pretty much fact about their allegations. They have a ton of evidence.
"HOWEVER WERE ANY OF THE OFFICERS ALLOWED ONE WORD TO EVEN TRY TO EXPLAIN?" Do you know anything about our system; remember the right to remain silent thing? They need to keep their mouths shut. If they were really innocent, they would have gone to county kicking and screaming; they know what they did.
I love to come to this blog once in awhile to remind me that our job is riddled with softballs and retards. Thankfully they are not the majority; yet!
THE SUPT SHOULD MAKE IT A POINT TO GO TO EVERY FUCKING DISTRICT IN THE CITY AND LISTEN TO THESE COPPERS OUT HERE. MORALE IS SHIT AND THIS MAKES IT WORSE. STILL THE SUPT. DOES NOTHING TO HELP. HILLARD WENT OUT TO DISTRICTS ONCE IN AWHILE TO LET YOU KNOW HE DIDN'T FORGET ABOUT YOU. THERE ARE8 RANKS BETWEEN A PATROLMAN AND A SUPT. HE NEEDS TO CLOSE RANKS A LITTLE. HELP US OUT , PHIL.
Dear 0909 2006 1:45:27
The legal answer to your question is-it depends.
In the event that he is a naturalized citizen it is unlikely that he can be "removed" (no such thing as deported anymore). The only occasions that come readily to mind are those in which the individual was not qualified, morally, to be naturalized in the first place. An example of this would be a person that obtained an immigrant visa and had committed crimes, or was otherwise in circumstances that would have made him "excludable" to begin with. In that case, since he entered fraudulently tobegin with he can be stripped of his citizenship-like Nazi war criminals getting under false pretenses.
Nor is it necessarily true that he had to be a naturalized citizen. Merely because a person is foreign born does not preclude the possibility that he was also born an American. There is a rather complicated parentage based matrix that should be applied in these cases, and suffice to say that the end result is based on if both, or either parents were American and how much time each qualifying parent spent physically within the US before the age of 18.
If his status is LPR (legal permanent resident), he may be removed if he is convicted of a crime involving moral turpitude and he has not maintained a continous residence in the US for 7 years. Here is the rub-a crime of moral turpitude has a funny definition according to the code. I would give an example of the matrix but I can't find my code book. (must have left it at Dugan's in a stupor)
So, if he wasn't an asshole(like the Constitutional Cowboy A/2 Gun Team)it is likely that he won't be "removed". Especially, if he is a naturalized citizen and not so under fraudulent conditions.
Don't hate on the A/2 gun team. They investigate tips regarding illegal kept weapons; that's what they do. The fireman had stuff he shouldn't have. He'll have to deal with it. It's a wake up call for a bunch of coppers as well. If you have "stuff" you shouldn't have, and you get caught, shame on you! We all know what the rules are regarding keeping firearms in our homes. We all know they have to be registered. Somebody shows up with a warrant and you have contraband, you'll have to answer for it. And what's up with the Nazi stuff? Why would anybody keep that shit anyway? I think the guy's gotta be a little soft upstairs...
F..K SOS? Now there is an intelligent comment from one of the multitude of retards on this job. I wonder if you were getting your ass kicked on the street and called a 10-1 you would specify "Dont send anyone from SOS"
Of course people like you will never have to call a 10-1.
That is unless the coffee pot on your desk explodes!
I fully agree with those officers asking why it took 2-4 years to make a case on these officers. One would think that with all the lawsuits, the alleged internal investigation, the detectives investigating the various criminal allegations and the ever present rumor mill that this Dept., the Supt., and IAD weren't trying very hard to get rid of these bad apples. If evidence was needed, it seems that all the Dept. had to do was look at the ODPO who was home-invaded or the SWS tavern owner that was kidnapped and taken to his home in Oak Lawn by these guys - is the ASA saying that these victims weren't credible? What isn't credible is the administration's and Devine's reluctance to pursue this case and to prosecute these officers as the offenders that they are. . .
It just seems that the bigger the case is, the less this Dept. is likely to take action. At least two of these guys were sent down to New Orleans - makes you wonder how much they stole down there. How can the Dept. possibly justify their own supervisors calling them "good policemen" to get them out of CR#'s and court deviations and keeping them on the SWAT team, the HBT team or in SOS while knowing that these guys were stickup men? Its no wonder that morale is in the toilet!!!!!
this is what happens when tou get greedy
oh yeah now you want your civil liberties
Well.here we go right to the meat.when M.T was the commander he did not see a problem.and when he was a P.O in sos he was sneeking out the back door to play hockey,stealing time.(theft).No one knows what J.F was doing.i do .police work,i dont no if he was taking money,but he was the police.That why the 2yr wonders hooked up with him so the could be hero;s.J.F was and if my friend.I will stand beside him unlike you so called friends,when things are bad thats when you need your frieds.lets see what is going on before we judge him.As to Phil,is is a asshole the worst super i have ever seen in 16yrs of police work.I am in sos and i love being the police.now things will change.No more making the bossess look good.they can see the crime rate go up,iand i will do nothing but repond and back-up my blue shirts.noe because of J.F.brcause they dont wunt you to be the police anymore.So let Phile and M.T and radkey and the rest take the chances for once.They are the real hero"s just ask them.They wony back you up.One day they will need us and we can say....Go Fuck yourself..you take the chance,show us the right way pussy..
Of course people like you will never have to call a 10-1.
That is unless the coffee pot on your desk explodes!
9/09/2006 06:12:16 PM
LOL COLD
9/09/2006 09:36:35 PM
WOW!
Lay off the booze, Butch!
It's unbelievable that these bosses can find a excuse for allowing this to go on for how many years? That whole SOS chain of command should be fired.
Anonymous said...
I have not posted for a long time but, one of the comments was so good that I had to respond. To 02:46:45AM, AMEN!!!!!!!!!! I don't know who you are but, could you please run for FOP President!!!! You hit the biggest nail right on the head!!!!!
9/09/2006 11:15:03 AM
Thanks Brother,
Sorry I cant run for FOP president because Im A sergeant....however I was a unit rep when I was a PO and I only wish that PBPAAnonymous said...
I have not posted for a long time but, one of the comments was so good that I had to respond. To 02:46:45AM, AMEN!!!!!!!!!! I don't know who you are but, could you please run for FOP President!!!! You hit the biggest nail right on the head!!!!!
9/09/2006 11:15:03 AM
Thanks Brother!
Sorry I cant run Im a sergeant!
remember! innocent until proven guilty! I know for a fact these guys worked alot of side jobs!
i wonder what the sgt/supervisor logs say on the days theses alligations were made. Do you think they were logged doing police work in a district while this was going on????
we will have 2 wait any see if the department covers for sgt.
I heard these guys were caught because of the P.O.D.S. that are placed on every corner. The one guy that got caught had a P.O.D. in front of his house. Thats crazy
remember! innocent until proven guilty! I know for a fact these guys worked alot of side jobs!
9/10/2006 11:16:47 AM
LOL YOU MAKE ME LAUGH.......I DIDNT KNOW THEY CALLED STEALING FROM DRUG DEALERS SIDE JOBS!!!!!! BESIDES I HAVE 3 SIDE JOBS AND I COULDNT SAVE 10,000 DOLLARS IN THREE YEARS LET ALONE 95,000. YOU ARE AN IDIOT! OPEN YOUR EYES WHAT DO YOU THINK ALL THESE ALLEGATIONS ARE MADE UP?
9/09/2006 03:27:06 PM
Most of what's in the media right now and being posted on this thread is detailed from the ASA's case presented at bond court; pretty much fact about their allegations. They have a ton of evidence.
YOU ARE RIGHT, THE MEDIA SAYS WHAT THE ASA'S ARE SAYING, HOWEVER, I DOUBT VERY SERIOUSLY YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHT INTO THE FACTS OF THE CASE. I MEAN WHAT THE ARREST REPORTS SAY, CASE REPORTS SAY, AND INVENTORIES LIST. JUST BECAUSE THE ASA'S SAY SOMETHING DOES NOT MEAN IT THE TRUTH, YES, IT SHOULD BE INVESTIGATED-HOWEVER YOU WILL SOON SEE HOW THEIR "AIR TIGHT" CASE FALLS TO PIECES. IF ONE OF THE REGULAR AREA DICKS CALLED IN CASES LIKE THESE...THEY WOULD BE HUNG UP ON BY THE ASA'S- AND TOLD CALL BACK WHEN YOU HAVE REAL EVIDENCE!!!JUST YOU WATCH, THEN I'LL GIVE YOU A BIG FAT I TOLD YOU SO, SOFTBALL.
Lets remember that every few years there is a police corruption scandal in Chicago. As a matter of fact every big town has them. Think about it three of these officers have been on the job long enough to think they are invicible, and arrogant. It seems to happen to officers with 7-10 years on the job.
Also hey guys the mob even knows that you have to be careful with cash. Keep deposits below $10000 and pay taxes on it. that will screw you up faster than anything
Hey 9/09/2006 09:36:35 PM
We respectfully request that crackheads stay off the blog. You say "No one knows what J.F was doing.i do .police work," If you call what he was alleged to have done "police work", then you must be as dirty. Lay off the crack.
I can't believe that there are PO's out there that actually think that the PO's involved made all that $$$$$ working side jobs.
Are you fucking crazy ? Where are your brains located ? Up your ass I'll bet. I know that you will never make detective , that's for sure. God Bless them . But they are double fucked !!!!!!!!!
WHERE IS OUR UNION DURING ALL OF THIS? Let me ask you this, for the first time I beg you to think what exactly have they done, for this or anything recently? We pay them to protect us, to help us, yet have they made one comment on this, or any in the past. Yes, they were charged, yes they will not reresent them, BUT have they inquired int he bond or taken any sort of investigation into this?? ALSO< look at the jusges up for retention, isnt the judge who conducted these officers fate up for retention? HMMM Perfect timing for all of this, elections..,Which brings me once again to our wonderful FOP...Do you think ANY of them have the balls to stick uo for us, really in a meaningful way, OR are they frightrened of the reprocussions of their positions. I thought we voted not the higher ups who they are so afraid of. Think people, you may need them one day. Are these the people you want on your side quiet, timid and afraid TO REALLY stand up for one of us, or a person who is not afraid to have a voice.? A person who is in their position to help us, NOT worrying about where they will end up in a few years after election. This entire department is going downhill, politics and scandals taken over and the rest of us are screwed!
As for the money deposited in checking accounts from these officers, WHAT you did not hear in court is how one officer took out a second mortgage on his house for a divorce, the other sold his condo and bought a house and made a ton of money from that. THIS of course, will be proven. Come on, even the stupidest of people would not make large sums of deposits. Honestly, think realistically! Now how many of you have sold a house or refinanced recently? Now we have to watch out for shit like that in case one day a partner, or someone on our job does something stupid and we this is used as evidence? And for those of you taking the word of nespapers, God help you. Unless you hear it first hand, you cant believe shit! These are good people, maybe a few poor choices, but they got screwed and will hopefully beat most of this. I am disgraced at the ASAs office, they live by Innocent until proving guilty, except in this case. What is it pick and choose? I wonder what political figure is in charge of this and making these decisions. SAD SAD This is why our city is so bad right now, all the big players that may get taken down during election times are cleaning up things and people that may stand in their way. Again, sad! The facts will come out in court and I think you will be astonoshed by what they have. States attorneys walked out of that courtroom with tears in their eyes. This was a disgrace
No copper who has hit the joint has ever gone into the general prison population that i know of.
Looks like Slander is confused a little.
9/08/2006 08:50:08 PM
YES, THEY CAN CHOOSE TO BE IN GENERAL POPULATION IF THEY LIKE TO BUT ARE ADVISED TO NEVER ADMIT OR TALK ABOUT BEING THE POLICE OR ANYTHING RELATED FOR THEIR SAFETY.
Who was the jag o!! who posted that the dept. should stand by Hilliard's decision to keep people out of specialized units unless they have 5 years. Do an alpha check of unit 193 and wow guess what Hilliard's kid is on it and guess what he doesn't even have close to 5 years.
Is stealing from a drug dealer really theft? Is raping a prostitute really Criminal Sexual Assault or just a theft of service? These are some of the questions that keep me up late at night...
I was assigned to job a few years back in the PJs where the guy claims that someone robbed him and took all his dope (true story). They actually dispatched the job?!
What gets me is that we see these corruption scandals unfold every few years: Marquette 10 (or 11), Broken Star, 002nd District (Capt. CW), 007th District, 016th District (shaking down Polish Immigrants), 006th District, and all the other individuals that get fired/indicted inbetween...
You would think that the ones watching and doing the same thing would say "Holy Shit" then stop and think for a second, but no. I never doubted for a second that there are a lot of dumb MF on this job
To all you people out there who keep asking about why the Feds aren't charging into this case, don't forget, if the State case starts going sideways, as it probably will with the ineptness in that department, they can always sweep in and RICO all the officers and look like heros, look into it it's true...
To the person who has knowledge that those SOS guys did "side jobs" to make all that money...
Any chance you can clue us in to where WE can make money like that for a side gig????
JF is the first guy you'd want to arrive when you're getting your ass kicked and call a 10-1. He brought in dope and guns by the truckload and is/was a a guy that most coppers looked up to for his work ethic. It's too bad his ego got so bloated that he thought the bosses would always be there to take care of him. He should have stayed at Airport South and rode out a 'then' tremendous career. I'm sad for all these guys families, but not so much for JF and the rest of them.
As for the rest of us, life goes on. The only people who will think bad of the police are those who never liked us very much in the first place.
Stay safe and watch each other's backs out there.
Unless the SOS supervisors were inside these houses when the "home invasions" were going on, good luck trying to hold them accountable.
Who was the jag o!! who posted that the dept. should stand by Hilliard's decision to keep people out of specialized units unless they have 5 years. Do an alpha check of unit 193 and wow guess what Hilliard's kid is on it and guess what he doesn't even have close to 5 years. <>>> Look at Mayors detail Bobby romans Kid no time on job D-3 Pay!! Oh but dad retired LOL and got civilian post runs 1st deputys office now kid taken care of politics are wonderful!1
it is not against the law to pay cash.......it is not against the law to not have a bank account........it is not against the law to pay a mortgage or car note with a cashiers check....the court will decide....the case....every one of you had better hope and pray you don't get jammed....because then your brothers will be circling like vultures ready to tear your guts out............
I think the most upsetting part of all this is the Det. that is rolling on the others to save his own skin! Ok he may lose his job, but he gets to go home after a day of taking calls, have his wife make him dinner (if she has not left him yet) and collect a pay check! where is the justice here? How do we allow that to go on? I must admit I do feel for the guys caught up in this. I am not defending any wrong doing! But where did we go wrong as a department to allow our fellow officer go down that path and not say anything! Someone mentioned it where was the Sgt, Lt, Commander? Did they take a blind eye, or were they in on it? The profer from what I was told, was very long and contained a volume of charges. One must ask himself how does 8 to 12 coppers from a so called elite unit do all that and not one boss has the fisrt clue!!! I think there is much more to this and I only hope that the mgt is not protected while the blue shirt go down in flames. I hope that the Sup does not protect some while others fall. Regardless of white shirt or blue we are all the police. We are all to some degree a family.
Guilty until proven innocent? Right, just like Flagg and the guys from 007. I don't recall coppers sticking up for them, but here we are crusading for the SOS crew. Thats like the A2 gun team catching grief for arresting so called "gun collectors". That guy had all types of Nazi stuff as well as photos of black men and women with the faces "X" out. If he was black coppers would have celebrated and called him a "gang banger" Oh I guess we don't want to mention that part. The guys from SOS are no different from the guys from 007. TRASH!!!! It's funny how many guys here smile in your face and disrespect you behind your back. Black officers get caught "Gang bangers" white officers get caught "innocent until proven guilty". The sad part of it all is the general public can read these post and see the same problem. All the hard working coppers keep your heads up, this will pass. All you racist, name calling 2 year wonders, do us a favor and go to hell! A2 gun team keep up the good work, go get the next so called "Collector"
Bail was way harsh!! Obviously they have been convicted already not only by the judge but by the jury, it will be impossible to judge them fairly not only by the comments from the media but by the silence of our bosses and our FOP (good for nothing). Until we get that #$#$% Daley out of office we will never have the need for FOP because obviously they can do little or nothing for us under the political blanket they all sleep under. We need to get back the right to strike!! We have nothing to fight with except FOP and an arbitrator! How many of us are out there, 10,000 plus, no one in my family votes for Daley, make your vote count and vote the most corrupt man in Chicago politics out!Oh by the way I will be inheriting a building worth about 800,000 HMMM will I be investigated next? Cus I know I will be driving a bently and paying cash for a new house! HMmmmm will I be the next headliner! LOL give these guys a break, lets see what real evidence they have. These guys guilty or not have my sympathy and my support and if I win the lottery, I too will be posting their bond! I don't want anyone I know behind bars irregardless of their stupidity or an unfair jury/judge. Jail break and off to some country with no extradition!!!
for whoever said :
I can't believe that there are PO's out there that actually think that the PO's involved made all that $$$$$ working side jobs.
Are you fucking crazy ? Where are your brains located ? Up your ass I'll bet. I know that you will never make detective , that's for sure. God Bless them . But they are double fucked !!!!!!!!!
Get one thing straight, it is possible to make that much money on side jobs. Not for a lazy a** like you but when you have a motivation to have your kids not go to school with kids who's parents you have arrested, you would be surprised how hard it is to say no to side jobs. Also don't tell me you have never heard of cops getting paid cash. We also sold a house and made a huge profit in 2002 and deposited it all at one time. We can prove where the money came from and I highly doubt these officers were stupid enough to deposit it without knowing it would be questioned. Also, if JF and his wife had no bank account, where did he deposit it???????
9/10/2006 09:19:46 PM
The things those officers done was probably no different from what officers do each day. THE DEPARTMENT JUST WQNTED TO MAKE AN EXAMPLE OUT OF THEM. The same thing they did was probably no different than what the Supt. done when he was a patrolmen. it is common for search warrant to end in a beef.
I have been on the job long enough to remember too many police scandals. Some were bonafide where officers did penitentiary time. Some turned out to be much to do about nothing. The one thing all the investigations had in common, they were announced with big media fanfare and jurisdictional prosecutors/investigators enumerating the overwhelming evidence against the officers. Often the evidence is exaggerated or non-existent.
Anyone remember the burglary of a beef stand in the 20th District. Two officers were charged and stood trial on the evidence of a video tape where allegedly their faces, badge numbers and name tags were identifiable. I personally viewed the video. The picture was of such poor quality, you could not even tell the one person visual was wearing a CPD uniform. I knew both of the accused well and could not identify either. The judge ruled the video was useless and acquitted both.
Feds attempted a sting on a 17th District tactical team. The officers investigated the fabricated gambling tip and discovered a heavily armed man apparently casing the location. He was taken into custody and eventually found out to be an FBI agent. These officers did nothing wrong. Feds leaked the failed investigation to the media, the officers were slandered, the stand-up District Commander (who would not dump the team) was transferred, and his replacement scattered the team per order of headquarters.
Ladies and gentlemen, please don’t judge these officers until all the evidence is heard. I for one can wait for this to play out. I hope for the officers involved, their families and the department as a whole, there is more smoke than fire. Until then, I pray for the safety of each and every one of you. Stay safe and protect your partner.
(/09, 1:10:58 Lt. may have been planning retirement but probably should wait until he is 50! What about his business partner, the meritorious Sgt and long-time partner of JF?
I think I can speak for all of us when I state none of us condone criminal conduct by policeman. We abhore it, it's the reason we become policemen. I have compassion for the accused officers for a simple reason-at one point early in their live's they were most likely honest policemen and enthusiastic workers. It would appear, however, that they succumbed to the corrupting influences we are esposed to almost daily on this job. So as we slam them for what they became try to remember the policemen they once were.
They have not been found guilty.......and if any of you trash talkers ever went to trial on one of your great cases you would know that every case has grey areas that are circumstantial at best...for Gods sake leave these guys alone...you are like fucking vultures and are worse than any media bottom feeder....so what you are more moral more ethical than anyone elese...well props to you...just do your job and let this play out...I for one am sick of hearing about how outraged you are......
To 9/13/2006 08:44:53 AM:
>>They have not been found guilty.......and if any of you trash talkers ever went to trial on one of your great cases you would know that every case has grey areas that are circumstantial at best...for Gods sake leave these guys alone...you are like fucking vultures and are worse than any media bottom feeder....so what you are more moral more ethical than anyone elese...well props to you...just do your job and let this play out...I for one am sick of hearing about how outraged you are......<<
WHERE'S THE FUCKIN' SYMPATHY FOR FLAGG AND HIS GROUP!!!
IF THERE NONE FOR THEM THEN THERE IS NONE FOR THESE FUCKERS EITHER!!!
It's too bad. Although I didn't know "The Ring Leader", I hear from alot of good sources that Finnegan was a great policeman some time ago. Something must have made him stray and loose whatever integrity he had. Cursed!
WHERE'S THE FUCKIN' SYMPATHY FOR FLAGG AND HIS GROUP!!!
IF THERE NONE FOR THEM THEN THERE IS NONE FOR THESE FUCKERS EITHER!!!
You know what...FUCK YOU...another thing I'm tired of is the fucking angry blackman bullshit....whine... you didn't have sympathy for Flagg cause he's black...whine so you can't have sympathy for the white coppers....Fuck Off......like I need another angry blackman telling me how I can feel about anything...Oh ya and fuck Flagg and his band of pirates...
<< Home