20 CR's/12 TRR's a Reality
- Stung by two major scandals since 2005, the Chicago Police Department is putting a spotlight on officers who have had 20 or more complaints filed against them in the last five years.
- Officers are placed on the lists when they have more than 20 complaints registered against them with the Office of Professional Standards, whether or not those complaints have been sustained. Such complaints are called "CRs" in department lingo.
- The lists also include officers who have filed 12 or more tactical response reports within a year. Officers are supposed to file the reports whenever they use force.
As was helpfully pointed out by a number of readers, we remember when the TRR was introduced, it was promised to be non-disciplinary in nature. Well, once again, it would seem the Department's definition of non-disciplinary is completely at odds with the rest of the universe. We mean, anything that is used to restrict or deny you an opportunity would seem to be adversarial in nature, hence disciplinary. We'll let the lawyers argue semantics. In the meantime, this sure walks, talks and sounds like a duck.
And just for shits and giggles, when you click on the Sun Times link, look what the article title is in the browser - "bad cops" - and people still insist there is no bias in the media. Ha!
And just for shits and giggles, when you click on the Sun Times link, look what the article title is in the browser - "bad cops" - and people still insist there is no bias in the media. Ha!
posted by SCC at 6:00 AM
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This is my comment,
The city and the Super are trying to tell the public that we are doing something about rouge cops. We are going to stick it up the asses of every fucking copper that decides to work and I hope that is very very few. Why put yourself in the trick bag for a city and Dept. that doesn't give one fuck about who you are . To them we are cannon fodder and there are many waiting to take are place. So I say Fuck it , Don't do anything. Make arrests only when you have to and write tickets only when you have to. other then that just ride around take your personals, lunch
and have tunnel vision. Fuck the Dept. and the City. Thats the only way your going to survive.
Fuck the Sun-Times...I refuse to read the link and I certainly refuse to read the paper itself.
20 CR's in five years. That averages four a year, one every three months.
I don't want anyone biting my head off here, but you can still be the working police and not get that many.
Hahahaha what a joke. I am in no way a worker but this just slaps the face of anyone out there doing police work. Just answer your jobs and write paper. Being a dog is where its at, and believe me I am not about to do a dam thing for this city. Keep the checks rolling in and thanks for the insurance. Being lazy never felt so good!
We are pretty sure that the dept. can implement this program(which I dont get alot of cr's but I think the program is totally bullshit)But if any p.o. re-elects this current f.o.p. administration you get what you deserve.
I say we implement a program where all exempts and empty holster personnel work a B E A T C A R!!,for a entire week a period.Not no cta or airport deployment and show us rogue/bad cops do the job without aquiring any cr's.
Thank goodnes the media once again advises the public on tactics available to hinder honest, hardworking PO's. Let the gangbangers and dope dealers call OPS with nonsense complaints. They will be not sustained/unfounded but the hardworking PO wil be unable to be a hardworking PO.
Is it the media or the over-reactive dept that hinders a PO?
Unfortunately, the city has once again endangered the citizens of Chicago.
Will you ever clear a corner of shitheads or tell the corner dealer to move on?
If you do, youre a fool(unless you live near that corner).
The SUNDAY ISSUE of the CHICAGO TRIBUNE had an article in it that told about the CR no.'s that CPD officers were getting and insinuated that the CPD officers that got those 20 plus CR's WERE ALL CORRUPT (see perspective section). I have yet to see the CHICAGO SUN TIMES article but never the less this is a ball buster accusation. My sister informed me of the article yesterday night and asked me if I could loan her $90,000.00 because she knew I did search warrants. Of course she was joking but the reality is that she is family and what do you think regular people are going to think? I feel very violated. I am 33 years old going on 80 because of this. I am stressed. I did nothing wrong other than making some good hits and good arrests. Oh yea, there is a search warrant class being given tonight at the academy. Ask the person in charge of that program about the CR's that you can still get on bonafide search warrants and the federal civil lawsuits that can accompany your LEGAL search warrants. Don't know what I am talking about? Example: Did a search warrant all legal and all and 6 MONTHS LATER MYSELF AND OUR TEAM GOT A CR NUMBER THAT HAD THE COMPLAINTANT OF THE CR STATING THAT WE CONDUCTED AN ILLEGAL SEARCH. Think I'm joking? No. The department will take these CR numbers and even you know it is BS and your supervisor will know it is bs IT WILL EVENTUALLY COUNT AGAINST YOU. IT WILL FOLLOW YOU AROUND LIKE YOUR SHADOW FOR THE REST OF YOUR CAREER. And, for those awaiting promotional spots into the sergeant position or detective position( regardless of meritorious or self-deserved by good test results) you can kiss those spots good bye. (Oh yea, get your scores yet?! another story, another time) When I came on the department I was a proud man. Not anymore. My family feels the tension that I'm feeling. I am already looking for a new job. I am just heartsick. Reality sucks.
An officer cannot control a citizen calling OPS.
How can this dept include the complaints that are found to be exonerated or unfounded?
Common sense would be to use sustained complaints and non-sustained complaints when a possible pattern exists.
Then again, I should open my eyes to the City's pattern: NO COMMON SENSE
Unfortunately, this will make officers second guess themselves and eventually puttung themselves in harm's way.
Does the FOP have contractual leverage with this?
I've treated people with the utmost respect and courtesy and have been thanked by a CR(full of lies) weeks later.
I will admit I've also treated people with less than acceptable behavior and have waited years for a CR that never came.
Unfortunately the Department doesn't seem to understand that a person scorned will call and complain(and even lie or exagerate) as a feeble attaempt at revenge.
I can see many experienced patrolmen slowing down their activity due to this new 'rule'.
This is a shame to everyone involved, memebers and civilians.
Lunch time at 35th street. Reading the blog. Yum. The lunch is good and my belly is full. I am glad those CR cops are not working with me. They seem too aggressive for me. I feel nice and cozy here in my cubicle. Yum, this lunch is good. In case those CR cops get too disgruntled, what is the number for SWAT?
Once again the city is out to get the working police. From now on, 19p all dope jobs and give all complaining citizens the commanders direct line to cry about "joe" standing on the corner all day selling drugs.
what happens when you get a cr# but the waiver is not signed? do those count against you also?
There you have it. Don't fill those out anymore unless there was serious injury to the bad guy (or you), and you really need to justify the force you took, which buy the way we ARE AUTHORIZED to use the force nessessary to make the arrest. It has always been that way and always will. If they (the department) are gonna try to stick it to us and go back on there word, make them work for it. Homey can play this game! Bring it on!!
Stay safe out there and dont give them the ammo they are looking for. If your smart, do your job and dont loose sleep over this crap.
Finally !! the roof is going to cave in upon those who will not fly straight. Us old timers are geering up for all the benefits that will be ocurring in the near future. Could'nt happen to a better bunch of college pups !!
Blame all this shit on the supervisors. This is all supervisor bullshit. If you have a worker in the real world getting complaints the boss has a sitdown and should find out what the problem is after at least three complaints. If the boss determines any discipline it is then given accordingly. Where were the supervisors? If anyone should get dumped, it's the supervisors. I haven't heard that yet. It's always the workers that get looked at like a piece of shit. This is all on management. And is anyone finding out what the FOP is doing about this? What is the FOP's position on this? What were the sergeants and lts. doing all this time, all the five years as claimed? And they make the big bucks. What a joke. Dump them.
Well that is officially it. I am no longer doing anything for this department/city. That is the way they want it. I'll be riding around doing nothing collecting $$$ if anyone needs me.
There needs to be a huge work shut down to show these idiots in charge that this is not right. I would love to see what the city would do if for one week we "showed up" but didn't really work. NO parkers, movers, etc. Maybe then they'll get the hint that we do have some power.. in numbers.
If a police officer amasses twenty CR#s in one year, he should not only be dumped, but investigated and placed in call back. People like this do not belong on the street. If you cannot interact with the public in a genteel and professional manner, you have no business being on the Police Department.
As to TRRs, the same holds true. There is never any excuse for senseless brutality. Most Police Officers are the agressors, either verbally or physically, and are the cause of physical force being used. If they just used some common sense, there would be less altercations. The use of physical force is rarely justified and only leads to lawsuits and a senseless waste of tax payer money.
Rogue police officers have no business on this job and should be rooted out mercilessly, for the protection and betterment of us all.
The only thing that is getting dumped from the tact team is more alcohol in my mouth. Fuck you all
Bottom feeding lawyers will have a field day with this new rule. These files will be subpoenaed on every case so the arrestee can point out that even the cops employer, the CPD, has questions regarding his actions on the street.
It is so typical of the CPD to over respond to a situation without thinking out the ramifications.
A ship of fools.
As for 12 TRR's in a two year period, don't forget its not just if you use force that you are required to complete a TRR. If you are a victim of an assualt you are required to do a TRR. So if you followed the departments guidelines and dotted all the i's you are jamming yourself.
Remember in the good ole days, Tact. and Gang was looked upon as the steppingstone to greatness. Working on Tact. and Gangs meant working in plainclothes, getting a lot of quality arrests, doing search warrants and having the attitude to back it up. Nowdays, just getting someone to work on Tact. or Gangs have these new people saying, " Oh, no thanks. You get too many CRs working that stuff. I don't want to lose my job by doing that kind of work. " College educated new people have a point. Never thought I would see the day. God help us all. Fuzzy cuffs? Next on the list.
And then the bosses wonder why none of us want to do more than we have too. This is such a crock! Thank God...only 3.5 more years!
It was nice knowing all you guys with the 20 plus CR's. Good luck delivering newspapers.
well im glad im in the district, i was in special units from 87-2001 and i got a c.r. at least once a week if not more,,i was out there kicking ass and taking names..that is what the bosses wanted and i made sure we kept the shitheads in line...well today i would do nothing in the ghetto except make the court money..i thought i would work this job for 40-yrs, why because it was FUN and the bosses backed you up,now i will have to go when i get my 29-day...i hate the way they let the gang bangers and shithead alderman run this city..fuck them all and when i retire i swear i will get on the blog and tell them all to fuck off and leave my name and star number..until then please stay safe and dont step on your dick's..peace.
Lets not fix the problem by disbanding these clout baby units. Lets stick it to everyone!......especially Patrol, the Department's whipping boy!
Typical CPD logic.
The simple thing to do is forget SOS ( It will be gone anyway), Forget TRU don't do anything go to school let city pay just do only the smallest amount of work to get you by! They will take your pension and everything after they fire you! If daley could hire his friends to privatize CPD believe me he would! all about CLOUT!
My opinion: Anyone with five sustained C.R.'in a five year period gets fired.
I thought I was going to have a cop corner set up in my house when I was going to retire. I was going to devote a corner of the house to all my awards, a photo album and other cop memorabilia. Now after this CR number crap, I am having a party this Saturday night and burn all the stuff I wanted to put in that corner. I will get bombed that night. I suppose I'll get a CR number for that too, huh. Yea,right.
The only CR I'm going to get is one for doing nothing !! PHUCKEM !!
Useless fraternal order "where are you" NOW !! I really don't think the FOP has a chance of getting their officials elected again !! I voted for them the last time, never again !!
The next thing the City will do is make CR's like ANOVs...we'll have to pay a fine.
Will this in any way shape or form cause the younger college P.O.s from putting gel in their hair or wearing leather gloves in the summer months ?
Let us hold a moment of silence for "The Police Department" IT's OVER !!
you 135 officer who are about to get help beware! In management they call this move a paper trail you see your supervisor are told to "watch you closely."meaning if your late, call in sick, or basically piss someone off they are to document your problem.
Remember these are the same supervisor who have no time to right up an honorable mention. now guess where you going your going to the city shrink to see if you may be mental. A mental officer is easier to stripp than an agressive officer.
I hate calling out the FOP but it sounds like an not sustained is sustained if you are being punished by losing a spot you earned through good police work.
In that case what did the member get for this concession?
Flip side what if an officer has no complaints and is productive would the recive a merit promotion just kidding.
yea, thank you chicago's liberal media for advertising this. now every shithead is going to get more b.s. CR #'s on the working police.
I was detailed to a district in A4 the other day & overheard some big moosey complaining about this new thang. Boo hoo! Guess this person can't be the "real police" anymore. Tough guys cook fried chicken for a living, right?!
So, If I get 20 piss bums to file cr's against a boss, even though they are not-sustained, is he then in personal concern? Brilliant!
Ahhh, I can see it now... a group of GD's getting together, filing bs cr#s on the working office, condemning the working policemen get stuck inside...
I believe its time for me to go to the burbs. They can chase. And have shotguns. And radar. And take home cars. And not deal with this CRAP.
Senate Sneaks Immigration Provision Into Department of Defense Authorization Bill
Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD) used back-room negotiations to slip language into the Department of Defense Authorization bill, signed into law on October 18, 2006, that potentially doubles the H-2B visa cap for unskilled workers. This language added to the defense bill is similar to the H-2B amendment Senator Mikulski offered to S.2611, the Senate guest worker amnesty bill that the House refused to take to conference committee. Senator Mikulski was successful in including the H-2B language to in the Defense Authorization bill despite statements from Armed Services Chairman John Warner (R-VA) that he would not allow any extraneous provisions to be added to that bill. In contrast, before Congress adjourned for the November elections, House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) waged a public battle to attach his own immigration provision to the same defense bill. Speaker Hastert's provision would have prohibited alien gang members from entering the U.S. and allowed for the detention and deportation of alien gang members already within the country. Chairman Warner, however, refused the Speaker's request to include the alien gang language. Last week, as the President signed the Defense Authorization bill into law, Senator Mikulski released a statement stating she would not have been successful in her effort to pass the H-2B provision without the help of Senator Warner.
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What is going on here? Why are these elected officials shoving this down our throats and behaving like traitors while ignoring the voice of the American citizens. There appears to be no end to this conduct and tide flow. Whose responsible for turning the United States into the fall of Rome while making profit?
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Related to off topic, very interesting.
October 18, 2006
Rank and File Union Members Breaking with AFL-CIO Over Illegal Immigration
Washington, DC— While the AFL-CIO leadership remains committed to a massive illegal alien amnesty program, rank and file workers and constituent locals are becoming increasingly vocal in asserting that such a policy would do irreparable harm to American workers. The latest crack in the AFL-CIO’s support for an illegal alien amnesty is the Pittsburgh Plumbers Local No. 27, which approved a resolution demanding that their union dues not be used for activities that support illegal aliens.
The resolution, passed on October 10, follows a similar position taken last month by the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, a national union representing some 750,000 building trade workers. Earlier this summer, Teamster president James Hoffa expressed opposition to legalization for millions of illegal immigrants and called for an overhaul of U.S. immigration policies that he believes are detrimental to the interests of American workers.
“There is an unmistakable trend occurring out there beyond the Beltway,” noted Dan Stein, president of FAIR. “Americans, from all walks of life, at the grassroots, are mobilizing to stop a massive illegal alien guest worker amnesty program being promoted by a disengaged elite. Whether it is union members acting to protect their jobs and wages, or local governments, like Hazleton, Pennsylvania, acting to protect local residents from costs and crime associated with illegal immigration, Americans are making it clear that they will not sit quietly while their interests are being sold out.”
ahhhhhhhhhhh
I remember 30 years ago when almost all of OPS were waiting to get on the job and actually looked out for you, Now every one wants to f&#$ you, The citizens, the super and always the news.
Very glad I am retiring
SCC;
“20 CR's/12 TRR's a Reality” .. it’s a reality because FRANK MAIN AND FRAN SPIELMAN read it first on THIS blog.
Do you only believe something is real because you read it in the Slum-Times? If you had any doubts on the original information all you had to do is ask your commander. As you were told they all attended the meeting last Monday.
Thanks SOS assholes!!!!!! Now we all have to pay for their thievery. I know someone is going to say, “Innocent until proven guilty.” What the f#ck is that gonna do for other PO’s who are going to get the major shaft and are placed on the behavioral intervention plan.
I wish nothing but the worst for these sh*theads.
Here’s a solution. Every time you have to fill out a TRR, go on IOD for a couple of months so it would be impossible to get 12 in one year.
You've got to joking!! The hell with this department. All the shitheads will take advantage of this and the city will lose hundreds, if not more, of dedicated coppers who won't lift a finger from now on. I guess we won't be seeing any crime reduction ribbons next year.
female police officer killed in Alabama today and back up was shot he is in critical condition
SCC;
“20 CR's/12 TRR's a Reality” .. it’s a reality because FRANK MAIN AND FRAN SPIELMAN read it first on THIS blog.
Do you only believe something is real because you read it in the Slum-Times? If you had any doubts on the original information all you had to do is ask your commander. As you were told they all attended the meeting last Monday.
First of all, thanks for giving us so much credit that we can actually influence the news media.
For our next trick, we are going to start the rumor that all police officers who DON'T get 20 CR #'s in 5 years will be granted an automatic extra 2% in their pay raises. Let's see Fran and Frank run with that one.
Second of all, we don't happen to be on a first name basis with any of the Command Staff. We figure the less bosses that know us, the better. So even if we asked the boss about the rumor we posted over a week ago, he's probably say, "Who the hell are you and how did you get in my office?" We were just verifying that what had been whispered about in the halls of power had become policy and fact.
AUSTIN151 you are a complete idiot and i am sure you have never been anywhere but behind or under the desk.
I just had a craphead threaten to get a TRR on me!!!
WHAT DA F**k?!?!?!?!
TRR = 2 months on IOD thats the best thing i have ever heard and it might work
HOLY BULLSHIT BATMAN: Sen. Obama today said he is "SUSPENDING' his promise to voters that he would serve his full Senate term.
"SUSPENDING' his promise? What a chunk of shit this mope is!
Seriously everyone, this CR nonsense is getting everyones goat. This nonsense is pitting the dogs against the real workers. The workers against their supervisors. Supervisors against upper, upper management. Did anyone ask Cline himself about this? I thought Cline was a standup guy? I thought Cline was one of us. I thought Cline kicked down doors and such. What happened in the last couple of months. Hell, I was in court this morning and some of the cops in the room were really adament about doing nothing anymore. Holy bajeezus! And these guys work for a tactical team and are hardcore no nonsense cops. What happened? I mean did the Al Queda invade the top echelon of the department and take over the brains of the top bosses or something? I just can not believe this is happening with this decision over the CR numbers. And what does FOP say? They are our union. This is real scary and Halloween is yet to come.
i hate to say it, but, we all keep complaining about the fop and what they are or not doing. apparently enough of us thought they would be different than nolan who we thought would be different than dineen and so on. once they get elected, the city probably sweetens the pot for all of the fop officers so this nonsense has and will continue forever. it seems they are not for us, but for the city and the mayor. everyone running for fop promises to be different and work toward reform, but, shortly after the election we seem to be asking ourselves...why did we vote for these guys ???????
In the post CRIME DOWN below this post on SCC read 10th District Bookworm comments from the tribune. Whooooooa, so thats whats up. A college guy who probably smoked some good weed came up with this.
So let's say Obama runs, and when he's running, he makes some promises. If he should win, which of those promises would he then suspend?
That does it. This is the straw that broke the camels back. BOW WOW, BOW WOW, BOW WOW WOW. BOW WOW WOW WOW WOW. BOW WOW. Happy now?
A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR A FORMER POLICE OFFICER PASSING AWAY YESTERDAY. GEORGE SULLIVAN WAS A GREAT COP AND A GREAT FRIEND. GOD BLESS HIM AND HIS FAMILY. REST IN PEACE GEORGE, THE NEXT ROUND IS ON BENCH AT THE IRA'S IN THE SKY.
George Sullivan was a great copper who used to work in the 011th Dist. He will be missed by all of us who knew him.
GOD BLESS U GEORGIE!!!! 011 will miss ya...
I wrote the FOP several weeks ago on their stance on this new CR program and I never got a response. Greg Bella Im still waiting.
I knew Sullivan from when I worked on the west side and he was a great guy. God bless him and his family..
THE HOLY REVERENDS endorsed the Toddler this evening. Gee, what a surprise that a gaggle of con men and thieves would endorse one of their own!
I do over 12 TRR's between 6-12 month period. If the jagbag fights the police, or we have to resort discharging our weapon to ensure that we go home to our loved ones after every shift. Well, that's what the fuck we do! Alot of us work in the getto districts. And to theWORKING POLICE that's what we do! Never touch the police or you get whats coming to you. So, maybe next year I'll hit that special list, but I know I'm just doing my job and I got 2 words for ya!
TRU has some good guys in it, even if most of the bosses there are clout babies that don't deserve their spots.
0133, you sir or maam are an idiot, it 20 in five years, not one. You must be stuck inside someone's a%%.
More domestics, more alcoholism, more shootings and that is just the cops themselves thanks to this CR reality.
Think things are bad now? Wait, they are going to get worse.
George Sullivan was not only a great officer but a truly great friend. He will be missed greatly. My thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family.
" ...Most Police Officers are the agressors, either verbally or physically, and are the cause of physical force being used. If they just used some common sense, there would be less altercations. The use of physical force is rarely justified and only leads to lawsuits and a senseless waste of tax payer money."
10/23/2006 01:33:04 PM
Are you KIDDING ME? Dude, maybe the most force you use is to open the door to your cushy office... I hope I NEVER work with you... Tell ya what....get yourself a car...no, not the nice one the city gives you, a crappy marked one like we have...head over to englewood, and make a few stops...no, not the one with the single female....no, not the one with lost whitey....there! That one! The one full of bangers, where the car stops rollin but the wheels keep goin! Lets see how long it takes you to call for backup once they eat your ass alive....you will be glad someone has the balls to use force, and brains enough to know when it can be used! oh, and any time someone complains that the cuffs are causing injury, guess what...gotta do a trr. no one does it, but you are suppossed to. Sooo, if there are 4 bangers in a car, and 4 complain of injury, guess what, office guy? you just got yourself 4 trrs in one stop. Not for ANY FRIGGIN FORCE, but because of a bullhonkey allegation of injury. Do all of us a favor...go back to your little spot, shut the hell up, and leave the streets to the more intelligent and less timid!!
Can anyone relate ANYTHING that this asshat Obama has done to even have his name mentioned as deservng of a presidential nomination? Anyone? Anything?
And this will make the bad guy fight you more. Yea, go out and make arrests. Your absolutely stupid if you do.
Beat car in a slow district is boring but relatively safe from the BS.
In a career over a 2000 arrests, over a 100 search warrants, tons of great funny stories and great people i WORKED WITH. I guess I'm now in retirement mode with 12 years on, I can even retire in 12 years if need be.
Give me my KMA badge 12 and counting!
Good working cops get the shaft, got nothing to do with stats. Ask your supervisors for their log in info, go check there stats. PATHETIC!
morale = NON EXISTANT!
pay off those mortgages boys so when you retire it's all free and clear!
maybe we should start taking parking enforcement on sundays more seriously. those churches that despise police the most are the same churches that have its members triple parking and will call you dirty amongst other names if you dare ticket them.
boys and girls, bring out the digital cameras, make copies and ticket accordingly. then send all of the above to the media when asked to non-suit the citations.
So even if we asked the boss about the rumor we posted over a week ago, he's probably say, "Who the hell are you and how did you get in my office?"
more likely who the hell are you andwhat are you doing in my secrataries house
After reading the "Slum-Times" series last week about all the patronage hacks that abuse the workman's comp system and profit from it..I don't think I'll ever lift a finger again to help anyone (except other cops)on this fucking job!
These aldercreeps sponser these jagbags and get them good city jobs, which they immediately turn into scams..just like a band of thieving gypsies!
On goof hurts himself gets disability for 17 years then demands they give him a less demanding job such as a foremen..oh,but wait..he isn't qualified for that because he is 48 years old, can't read, and never went to high school..What-the-fuck?!
NOT MY PROBLEM. He should never have been hired in the first place! Maybe his political sponser should pay him out of his pay instead of we the taxpayer!
I am making this job work for me from now on..I ain't doing shit!
just do what 2011 does (fatso and useless ruskie) never confront the bad guy just jam up good people.
I wrote the FOP several weeks ago on their stance on this new CR program and I never got a response. Greg Bella Im still waiting.
They have no stance look at their grievance procedure they could careless about the working police!
we have no union just a fraternal organization like the Moose lodge or the Elks
Yep, that's it for me... I'm done. I've always made it a point to write enough parkers, movers and ANOV's each day so that it equals at least double or triple my daily pay. Not any more. From now on I'll give 'em a single bus check each day. That'll give me a chance to stretch my legs at least once during my tour and it doesn't generate any revenue for the alderscum to piss away our money.
Maybe the CPD should do what they did in Cincinnatti awhile back.....
yea, thank you chicago's liberal media for advertising this. now every shithead is going to get more b.s. CR #'s on the working police.
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A "SHITHEAD" IN THE GHETTO READING THE PAPER?
TRU has some good guys in it, even if most of the bosses there are clout babies that don't deserve their spots.
Lol, why? because you couldn't get there? it's ok, don't be bitter. The unit actually has some awesome Sgts. and Lts. and the Commander is top-notch...
10/23/06 1:23 pm POST RIGHT ON THE MONEY WITH THIS ONE. DUMP THE SUPERVISORS. THEY ARE WORTHLESS PIECES OF SHIT TOO ALONG WITH THIS PROGRAM. WHAT WERE THEIR RESPONSIBILITY WHILE ALL THESE CR NUMBERS WERE BEING OBTAINED? TO ALL THOSE WORKING COPS THAT GOT THOSE CRS DON'T FEEL BAD, I SMELL LAWSUIT. A BIG LAWSUIT. H-A-R-A-S-S-M-E-N-T.
TO:AUSTIN151 said...
If a police officer amasses twenty CR#s in one year, he should not only be dumped, but investigated and placed in call back. People like this do not belong on the street. If you cannot interact with the public in a genteel and professional manner, you have no business being on the Police Department.
As to TRRs, the same holds true. There is never any excuse for senseless brutality. Most Police Officers are the agressors, either verbally or physically, and are the cause of physical force being used. If they just used some common sense, there would be less altercations. The use of physical force is rarely justified and only leads to lawsuits and a senseless waste of tax payer money.
Rogue police officers have no business on this job and should be rooted out mercilessly, for the protection and betterment of us all.
10/23/2006 01:33:04 PM
JAGOFF.....If you had done any police work you would know that the TRR is not about senseless brutality, it is about documenting the force that we are authorized to use to make an arrest. U are still a stroke...
To the misfit posting guy at OCT 23 aT 12:20pm ARE WE SUPPOSED TO FEEL SORRY FOR YOU? You remind me of my partner before I got promoted, always wanting to get in shit, always wanting to do those search warrants, always wanting to get in a foot chase, always wanting to get the bad guy. A real aggressive fuk. I told him, slow the fuk down before you give yourself a heart attack. Crime will always be out there. Study for the test. I told him the detective job was the best job in the world. Fuk the supervisor job, I told him, thats for real control freak fuks. Well guess what? I am a detective and he has all those CR numbers and for what? A few flashes of glory? Give it up guys, it ain't worth it. Call me lazy, call me what you want, but look at me now. Higher pay, better job, out of the patrol division and stress free. I told him to study. I told him.
AUSTIN 151.....
You my friend are a complete and utter moron. First of all, jack ass, it is over 20 CR's in a five year period. In case you haven't learned how to do math either (since it is obvious you do not know how to investigate things) that is simply 4 count them
F-O-U-R CR's a year. If that is what you consider a "rogue copper," then you my friend are an ASSHOLE!!!!!
Second of all, we all know how the Austin district works.....
Thirdly, in regards to the TRR's, you must complete them anytime that you use force against arrestee, or the arrestee threatens or uses force against you. In other words, moron, if you get in an altercation w/ several offenders and have to use force necessary to place them into custody, then you must complete a TRR for each and every individual not simply each and every incident. Which means that, in theory, an officer could complete 4-5 TRR's for one incident.
Saying all that to say, AUSTIN151 you my friend are an Asshole....
AUSTIN151 said. "...Most Police Officers are the aggressor, either verbally or physically, and are the cause of physical force being used. If they just used some common sense, there would be fewer altercations. The use of physical force is rarely justified...”
You are an idiot. Most officers become aggressor verbally and physically because they are commanding, directing or putting someone into custody or moving them to safety. It's our job.
I assume when you were getting out of control with some one of authority, perhaps your parents, they never aggressively or physically scolded you if they did, then you might have a concept of how sometimes, common sense of just asking someone to get in the handcuffs or into the wagon, jail or off the corner or off the person they are beating the crap out of just doesn't work. It never has and never will.
Aggressive actions from a public that does not use common sense or act in civil non-aggressive matter will always be dealt with a harsh response. Sorry your world has been shattered. Maybe, you can get a hug from someone.
Thanks SOS assholes!!!!!! Now we all have to pay for their thievery. I know someone is going to say, “Innocent until proven guilty.” What the f#ck is that gonna do for other PO’s who are going to get the major shaft and are placed on the behavioral intervention plan.
RESPONSE:
Hey jag ball, please do not lump all of us into one category much like the media does. Simply because a few S.O.S personnel made some problems for the City, do not lump all of us together in one barrell. There are a whole lot of good S.O.S. police officers that are paying for things that did not do nor approve of being done.
Listen to your mother ass munch: "Don't judge a book by it's cover." In other words, just because we wear the designator doesn't mean we are strokes or dirty or anything of that nature.
Sleep well, bitch boy!
Unfortunately, this will make officers second guess themselves and eventually puttung themselves in harm's way.
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No, it will make officers choose to do nothing.
YOU CAN NOT BE INCLUDED IN THE NEXT CLASS OF EITHER SERGEANT OR DETECTIVE IF YOU ARE NEXT WITH EITHER 20CRs or 12 TRR's. CHECK IT OUT SCC.
Anonymous said...
Blame all this shit on the supervisors. This is all supervisor bullshit. If you have a worker in the real world getting complaints the boss has a sitdown and should find out what the problem is after at least three complaints. If the boss determines any discipline it is then given accordingly. Where were the supervisors?
Those stripes stand for:
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As to TRRs, the same holds true. There is never any excuse for senseless brutality. Most Police Officers are the agressors, either verbally or physically, and are the cause of physical force being used.
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you are an idiot and are not the police whether you have a star on your chest or not.
So, according to you, it's my fault if some guy that just beat his wife up and says to me fuck you, you aint taking me to jail then starts swinging.
i'd like to add on to what 'peeved in 007' said (10/24/06 03:18:13am). talk about the morale on this dept. i'm thoroughly disgusted on how the church members at the baptist churches can parked however and where ever they want without fear of getting a ticket. i'm sure 005th dist coppers remember when meek's church was on 116th/indiana. his people parked illegally on michigan ave and we (005dist cops) were told not to ticket meek's people.
now on the flipside- how many coppers go to 35th st, the academy, or court downtown and get a ticket (usually from some jagoff cop who knows he;s ticketing another copper's car. but we all know that if parking is enforced at black churches, the race card will be thrown out there. it's sad that cops will not ticket these police haters at the churches, but will ticket their own at 35th st, the academy, or at court.
come to work have fun, and dont take this home with you. being the police is just a job. we lock up bad guys and get paid for it. our job is turning to shit. they treat us like shit...so when your doing these missions, come in with zero.....captain ask for curfews bring him zero...all these bullshit numbers deserve zero....have no arrests in the doc... do everything to your benefit..get your court, make your money, and give nothing in return...treat the city the way it treats you.....give more to your family.....
Just my opinion.........
SO WHAT!
After the pre-determined amount of CR's or TRR's within the stated amount of time, let them talk to me (us) all they want. As long as it's on company time, SO WHAT!
It's 'non-disciplinary' so I'll treat it the same way as when I go to OPS or IAD on an obvious contrived, set-up bull-shit beef...give your side of the story and get on with life.
Those (under 5%) of the dept. that this 'actually' applies to will have to worry about it. For the rest of us...Police safe and Police smart and leave the rest of the B.S. to the bean-counters.
We need to back-up one another and not worry about those that give the rest of us a bad name.
If tomorrow they said, .."from now on, after every 100th arrest we'll give you an enema," my comment would still be..SO WHAT
YOUR safety, that of your partner and your family is all that really counts!
Keep locking up those bad guys and DON'T WORRY ABOUT "SHIT!"
All you have to do is promise not to do it again. Then SUSPEND the promise like jag nuts Obama.
JUST REMEMBER THIS:
I DIDN'T OBSERVE ANY MOVING VIOLATORS
I wrote the parkers I saw or was assigned
I only lock up people on signed complaints.
Search people for weapons, forget the dope. (Unless u want court)
Do bullshit reports for no reason.
Can't write a contact card because I did not have Probable Cause to talk to anyone.
Can't write a curfew if I don't see them
Respond to your calls promptly and professionally.
tAKE YOUR 2 PERSONALS AND LUNCH
lights and sirens to any job NOT a 10-1 is unnecessary. 1A priority jobs allow use of lights/sirens but do NOT REQUIRE THEM. According to GO
I THINK THAT IS YOUR TOUR OF DUTY!
BE SAFE WORK SMART!
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to 24oct 0233am..you hit it right on the head..I have 8yrs on and they are dumping people like crazy in s.o.s., the commandrer doesn't even have the balls to do it himself! He has a useless Lt. do it for him, a Lt. who has no fucking clue about good, hard police work that 99.9% of the coppers in S.O.S. have been doing for the last 3-10 years. Yes there are good coppers in S.O.S. that have been there a while, and they bring in a Sgt. with 7 fuckn months as a Sgt. to fuck with a team of good coppers, some with more time in the unit than the fuckn useless Sgt., who is a hatter, has on the job! The morale is fuckn pathetic! God bless all the workn police! and keep your heads up to the S.O.S. guys who were in the unit b4 the new regime took over!!!!
Why is it they are again using CPD as a punching bag? Why is it the inspector general cannot ever investigate aldertheives and their staffs! Wow what a concept! Everyone looks at us but they do whatever they want thank GOD for U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald and his excellent "Team" Go get DALEY ASAP!
FINALLY A VOICE OF REASON
Went to check out the FOP website, wondering if they are addressing this (or any) issue...nope. I can enroll for Tripe A, buy a trip to disney land, donate blood.....hey UNION, pay ATTENTION to what matters!!!! Call a press conference once in a while, at least PRETEND you guys give a rats ass.
10/26 at 12:26 pm dude, you are so right. them guys are more worryed about disneyland them us. they are the goofeys and mickey mouses. they are some chumps. they post everything else accept what they are supposed to post. the problem is they are all losers and don't have anything at stake because that is why they are there in the first place. all my studying down the drain. damn chumps.
SGT. JR WHO IS IN THE TRU UNIT WAS A PO IN SOS AND WORK WITH THE FOUR UNDER INVESTIGATION SHOULD RESIGN NOW BEFORE IT IS TO LATE. HE IS REAL SHIT-HEAD TO SAY THE LEAST. THE ONLY REASON HE HAS NOT BEEN FU##ED YET IS HIS FATHER HAS SOME HEAVY FRIENDS. ANYONE IN TRU WHO WORKS FOR THIS ASS SHOULD REALLY WATCH YOUR BACK AT ALL TIMES HE WILL DO ANYTHING TO SAVE HIS OWN SKIN. WE KNOW WHAT SAID TO THE TO TRY AND SAVE YOUR ASS. WAY TO BE A F-ING RAT FOR IAD.
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