Results Are Out
No, not the Sergeants test results - keep dreaming! We aren't expecting those for another 3 weeks.
No, we're talking about the results for Part 1 of the Lieutenants Exam. A couple of e-mails and comments tipped us off and we hopped over to SecondCitySarge to see if they were covering it. They weren't - yet. So we'll start - anyone Sergeant readers want to 'fess up to their results?
We heard there are some failure notices being sent out, which makes this an unusual test as every single test taker passed part one with flying colors. We also heard the results are out of 230 or 240 possible points. Rest assured, whoever scored at exactly the cutoff number will be promoted far sooner than anyone who wasn't a top 30 score.
This also means that there will probably be one more class of Lieutenants off the old list before the end of the year. Look for a merit letter shortly.
No, we're talking about the results for Part 1 of the Lieutenants Exam. A couple of e-mails and comments tipped us off and we hopped over to SecondCitySarge to see if they were covering it. They weren't - yet. So we'll start - anyone Sergeant readers want to 'fess up to their results?
We heard there are some failure notices being sent out, which makes this an unusual test as every single test taker passed part one with flying colors. We also heard the results are out of 230 or 240 possible points. Rest assured, whoever scored at exactly the cutoff number will be promoted far sooner than anyone who wasn't a top 30 score.
This also means that there will probably be one more class of Lieutenants off the old list before the end of the year. Look for a merit letter shortly.
posted by SCC at 2:32 PM
49 Comments:
230 was passing according to the Earnest and Young letter. Part 2 is 6 Jan 2007.
I passed at 188.5
What sucked about Part 1 was the "MOST LIKELY and LEAST LIKELY" scenarios. Also the "Handle the Situation" scenarios. There was absolutely no way to study for these 2 portions of the test.
HEAR ABOUT THE BIG BURGLARY AT CITY HALL?
They got next weeks election results !!!!!!!!!!!!!
770 took the test 702 passed. Part 2 tenatively on 06 Jan
Result for part 1 of the Lt. exam are out today also.
200 out of 230 was a pass
Total points that you could have scored was 230... I got 201 (pass) ... the highest I heard so far was 204 and lowest was 179, but I only talked to 4 people so far....
reliable source said that 65 sgts. failed first part ... 769 took the test ... that leaves 704 for part 2 on 06JAN07
185.5 passed! time to call the chinaman!
Whatever happened to the good old days...a $5000.00 'contribution’ to your Alderman, a wink and a nod and you wuz promoted. Nowadays, to get a “merit” promotion, you need ???????
A meritless promotion is worth $50,000 easy during the course of a PO's career. The merit selection process is done in secret with NO accountability. If it were legitimate, why would they hide the process behind closed doors. Why not open the merit selection meetings to the public or publish a transcript of the meeting? If they were proud of their merit selections, why not let everyone know who they are and why they were chosen. This is public money and affects public safety, there should be some level of accountability. There is no reason why this process cannot be changed. The current method is like a giant cancerous tumor on the morale of the honest working police.
A/1 3rd W 209.5
200 (20%) out of 1000 Detectives were Meritless promotions
390 (30%) out of 1300 Sergeants were Meritless promotions
84 (30%) out of 280 Lieutenants, were Meritless promotions
100 out of 100 Exempts and Captains were Meritless promotions
That’s 774 Meritless promotions with ZERO accountability, all done behind closed doors. Using the previous poster’s number of each promotion being worth 50 grand over the career of the PO promoted, probably a low number, these promotions account for 38 million dollars given away to politically connected hacks, instead of to hard working and honest police officers whose hard work and talent goes unrewarded. I will say that some merit promotions are well deserved, but they are definitely the exception.
EXAMSCAM REDUX!
The current method is like a giant cancerous tumor on the morale of the honest working police.
Amen brother. No wonder we are the laughing stock of big police departments. After all, we do have 13,800 officers. If I hear Phil utter that bullshit again I think I may puke.
Didn't they say like three months to get the results back from the Sgt test? I know 35/Michigan has to get the list first so they can get those erasers out and tailor it to their liking for the clout babies.
Time to change the testing process! Let's get a triple blind test in there and the testing company posts the results without anyone in the city seeing them first. Then people who actually DESERVE it may get promoted.
Who am I kidding, that won't happen in this ceasepool of a city.
FUCK the Democratic Machine!!
Whoever makes the Sgt/Lt list from their clout, have fun in TRU/SOS, you'll fit in well with those clout hacks of supervisors!!
770 took the test 702 passed. Part 2 tenatively on 06 Jan
10/28/2006 02:58:29 PM
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How do we know 702 passed Part 1? Did somebody downtown say something? Personnel?
186 out of 230, passing at 80.1%, 76% was passing for the Sgt's, that would put passing for this part at 175, but that s just using logic, so passing could be anything that get the "right" persons made
When will the feds investigate this? All merit should be posted as to who made it by a phone call will it ever happen? wil flop help? LOL!
The results are legitamate. I'll make it this time.
L.O. "Papi"
A 1 Detective Division
188 out of 230. not much studying. thought I did better..
180.5... and still passed.
Whoever makes the Sgt/Lt list from their clout, have fun in TRU/SOS, you'll fit in well with those clout hacks of supervisors!!
LOL jealousy rears it's ugly head yet again!
35 out of 230. Passed. Woot!
I am embarrassed to say that 179.5 passes. I thought I did better.
I was told by someone at personnel that the cut off was based on a curve and determined by Earnst and Young, not the city. Who knows the truth, just like we were supposed to get a copy of the test when we left part 1. It even said it in the study guide but they did not give you anything. Makes you say Hmmmm. I expected as much.
I received a 173 and passed. That was with zero study time. People who study and get high scores get screwed as they are thrown in the hopper with us slackers.
If there are 800 detectives and they make a class of 100...20% meritless means 80 passed the test. The new total is 900 detectives with 20 meritless. 50 then get promoted to Sgt and 50 retire. They make a new Detective class of 100 with 20% meritless. Now there are 900 detectives with 40 meritless. The next class has 100 with another 20 meritless and now we have 900 detectives with 60 meritless.
Assuming that this process has been going on for years and years it can be said that the majority of detectives are actually meritless because they would have been promoted out of the division if they were not. This is the reason that you have so many people who have been detectives for years and years but they still couldn't detect a smell in the bathroom.
210.5 is the best I heard so far.
The test was very fair. I scored 230 and did not even study. I'm going to be the best Lieutenant ever...my daddy said so!
Sincerely,
Baby Phat
Scored 159.5 and passed. See you all Jan 6th.
IM NOT A SGT.BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT A MONKEY COULD OF PASS THAT TEST..I BET SEVERAL DIDNT BUT STILL MADE IT...HA HA...I LOVE BEING A BLUE SHIRT..ONLY 4YRS TO GO..NO WORRIES HERE..(EVER).
I saw Cline the other day, he winked at me, said, "whats up L.T." and kept walking. I've worked in a fast west side district my whole career, don't have any juice, and I have 42 CR#s, on top of 14 D.C.'s. No TRR's...I'm old school. None of you can work for me because I'd run circles around your punk asses. I've seen it, done it, and the t-shirts covered in blood. Thime for the stripes to fall off these sleaves
Don't get to hyped up over these Lt. scores on pt.1. The City probably already has their plan for throwing some shit in the game for the next phase(s)and they just want to keep your interest peaked. 1987 - Lt. exam, part 1 turned out to be a pass/fail when they saw the "breakdown". Part 2 -short answer - the old "Notify the W/C" trick if I recall right, which still is the wrong answer unless you were a "connected guy" and put it down . Part 3- oral board with same questions as on part 2 asked of you by an exempt(3 on Board). I believe you had the right to exclude 1 exempt you didn't want on your board. I should've cut Elijah Cook, that's the one he fell asleep at. Finished product - Coffey and 4 or 5 other klutzes finishing in the top 10. Words like "standardizing" and "race norming" were popular back then. Old timers should remember.
Kimberly Sutherland............
Get a discionary, first....LT
"I saw Cline the other day, he winked at me, said, "whats up L.T." and kept walking. I've worked in a fast west side district my whole career, don't have any juice, and I have 42 CR#s, on top of 14 D.C.'s. No TRR's...I'm old school. None of you can work for me because I'd run circles around your punk asses. I've seen it, done it, and the t-shirts covered in blood. Thime for the stripes to fall off these sleaves"
10/29/2006 01:27:28 PM
Hm. Old school? More like no school (Thime, Sleaves). You most certainly will look foolish running in circles, but I guess that really does exemplify promotional material for CPD. That settles it! I'm going to find a punk ass and run some circles around him. Maybe I'll yell, "Hey, luk at me! Me are the reel poliss! Perhaps some stripes will fall onto my sleeves?
I was standing next to Phat Phil at the Pumpkin Parade the other day, and boy did we have a great time he said I would make Sgt with no problem. But, I think I want the Crime Lab....ha ha ha
I saw Cline the other day, he winked at me, said, "whats up L.T." and kept walking. I've worked in a fast west side district my whole career, don't have any juice, and I have 42 CR#s, on top of 14 D.C.'s. No TRR's...I'm old school. None of you can work for me because I'd run circles around your punk asses. I've seen it, done it, and the t-shirts covered in blood. Thime for the stripes to fall off these sleaves
Keep up the hope hmm "My Fathers a moron so that makes me you guessed it MORON"
Does anyone remember what was the maxinum number of points you could have gotten on the first part of the 2001 exam?
And- does anyone know how far down on the 'legitimate numbers' list for the last class of the current list about to be throw out? 222? 223?
I saw Cline the other day, he winked at me, said, "whats up L.T." and kept walking. I've worked in a fast west side district my whole career, don't have any juice, and I have 42 CR#s, on top of 14 D.C.'s. No TRR's...I'm old school. None of you can work for me because I'd run circles around your punk asses. I've seen it, done it, and the t-shirts covered in blood. Thime for the stripes to fall off these sleaves
You must have worked a different west side. The one I worked in, you needed a homicide pinch or at the least a robbery pattern arrest to get a D/C.
Final Results Are In!!!!
Sorry, I mean't final results are in someones desk at 35th Street. Don't know their exact placement but here are five of the top ten on the totally square, completely fair, overwhelmingly just, fully monitored final list:
Phil's Brainless Kid
Ike Carother's Idiot Brother
Cline's Little Curly Haired Cutie
Grau's Log Legged Lovely
Any One of Dana's Darlings [TBD]
why are all the comments here and not on second city sarge?
...a good downtown source says 25 Lts off the old list in November....
So given that, maybe one more class in the spring before they throw it out and promote from the new list?
To 3:03
Ahh Kimberly Sutherland. Theres a name I have tried to forget. How did we ever end up with that bag lady looking incompetent bitch as our attorney for EXAMSCAM. If there was ever a "slam dunk case" in the history jurisprudence, that was the case--- and she got us squat. Still bitter.
why are all the comments here and not on second city sarge?
because we are all "second city cops" no matter what our rank is ... if you dont want to hear about sgts. getting promoted, don't read the article, there are plenty others on this blog.
Second city sarge sucks, never up to date with new news.
"... if you dont want to hear about sgts. getting promoted, don't read the article, there are plenty others on this blog."
Hey Buddy- it was a just a question out of curiosity-not a complaint!
When you assume....
There are definitely 2 year wonders in 011. There are Po's with 2 yrs. or less on 2nd watch who are dog-asses already!!! Don't know if they don't want to work, or just don't know how since they've been riding riding around 99 since the day off PPO status. One had to nerve to complain about a hospital detail the other day. Give me a friggin break!!!
I have sent three comments to Second City Sarg about these test results and not one has been posted.
Heard about a guy who failed ... 162 out of 230 possible was a failing score (70.4%).
heard about a guy with 163 that failed ...
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