Saturday, October 28, 2006

Whine Whine Whine

From Lefty (again). Big Surprise (not!)
  • Hey M! Where is the spin on remarks from that disgrace of a vice-president? Let's see....he'll say he was misquoted, no that's not it, he's on tape. Let's see....that's not what he meant, he was taken out of context. Yea that's it!! The lambs of Republicanism will swallow that one hook line and sinker.
We will open with a reply from Ace of Spades:
  • The media is of course all a-flutter and in full conniptions about this. I wish Cheney and Snow would stop being disingenuous and say, "Fuck yeah, I support the water-boarding of confirmed murderer and terrorist leader Khalid Sheik Mohammad. It saved lives. Any of you gutless pansies got a problem with that? How many lives would you trade, exactly, in exchange for Khalid Sheik Mohammad's personal comfort?"
Can you read that Lefty? Waterboarding works. It saved American lives by foiling more than one plot to kill people in this country. When are you softballs going to get it through your thick skulls - islamofascists don't differentiate between Republicans and Democrats, red states and blue. They want you and us dead Lefty. There is no understanding to be reached. There is nothing we can offer them other than complete and utter capitulation and surrender. And the first people they would round up and persecute? Teachers. Women. Gays. Jews. Artists. Musicians. In short, the entire spectrum of your run-of-the-mill liberals. Women in chadors and veils. Teachers executed en masse. Gays crushed under walls and stones piled on their chests. Artists blinded. Musicians with various amputations.

So hell yeah, we support waterboarding and sensory deprivation and radical temperature fluctuation and disorienting noise and anything else that saves American lives. And thank god we have a VP who can be politically incorrect at times and say we ought to do what needs to be done to protect and preserve this country and it's freedoms.

21 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone catch O'riely on Oprah? I'm watching the repeat of it now. Gotta love Bill, he's ripping new assholes for all the liberals, and I'm loving every minute of it.

10/28/2006 12:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Coldtype said...

How funny you are when you really get strident SCC. All that huffing and puffing intellectually should serve as a warning that maybe you are (yet again) out of your depth.

Get some exercise, lift a book or two, maybe even open one. I managed to craft a response (between fits of laughter) on my blog. You are, without a doubt, the antidote to writer's block. Don't ever stop posting.

I'm curious about something else SCC, I've noticed you make no mention of Kevin Tillman's recent take on Bush's War On A Tactic. For those of you who don't know who this patriot is, Kevin Tillman is the brother of former Arizona Cardinal Pat Tillman who tragically lost his life in a friendly-fire incident while serving with the US Army Rangers in Afganistan. Kevin would also serve with the Rangers.

In any event, for those of you who may have missed his comments, I've provided a link to them as well. Stay safe.

10/28/2006 04:37:00 AM  
Blogger leftisthebest said...

What plots were foiled? I don't think "Ace" was stating waterboarding got Khalid to confess, just he condoned such torture of him. What plots were foiled? Name them.

Not to mention torturing violates the Geneva Convention and about a half dozen other international treaties. Can we pick and choose those rules we wish to follow?

If we do the evilness of those whom we are trying to conquer than we become evil ourselves. Pure and simple.

And no dear M, this is not whining. I am just being trying to be a voice of conscious for against a corrupt administration.

10/28/2006 05:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bravo SCC, great blog!! U said what Ive always said;loud mouth broads,liberals, gays would be the 1st to lose their heads if the Taliban took over. These leeches enjoy the protection of the American Police, more so the Military, but bash,charge, and sue them whenever they get the chance.

I dont like the casualties I see on the news in Iraq. I dont think this was the intended outcome, but I believe every maniac that was going to attack us here, went to Iraq to fight our guys. If u puke, scumbag liberals would have backed up your President and the Troops,Iran & Syria would have signed a peace treaty years ago after they saw what we did to Iraq!!
And you American Jews... You should all(100%) be behind George W., and pray for his success. Your hated the most by these muslim thugs; but you a*sholes didnt even stand behind Israel when they were attacked and responded. Whats w/u f*ckin people???????

10/28/2006 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Memo to 28/2006 09:30:27 AM

Boy do you have it right!!!!

I just can’t understand why the vast majority of Jews support the Democrat party. Jimmy Carter kissing Yasar Arafat’s ass, Bill Clinton kissing Yasar Arafat's ass, that's what Democrats have given you. Jews have traditionally supported the ALCU and the NAACP. I understand how at the onset of these organizations how Jews would have bonded with these groups. Given their experience in Nazi Germany it’s quite understandable. But wake up now guys and girls. These organizations support the coddling of terrorists. Don't think for one minute if there are terror attacks again in the US they won't be directed at you. Come on over to the party that gives a shit about keeping all America safe. I know Rahm Emanuel is one of your own, but just look at his voting record. Kick these terrorist-appeasing fools out of the Senate and the House. VOTE REPUBLICAN!!

That is all of you except those residing in Arlen Spector, Lincoln Chaffee, and John McCain, Olympia Dukakis states. They aren't Republicans but Democrats wrapped around American flags that have the Hammer and Sickle on the other side, which they proudly show after undercutting the true conservative agenda.

GOD BLESS GEORGE BUSH!!!

GOD BLESS THE CPD!!!

GO DIRECTLY TO HELL ALL OF YOU LEFTIES OUT THERE – JOIN THE 9/11 TERRORISTS THERE – MAYBE THEY MIGHT LET YOU HAVE ONE OF THEIR VIRGINS, THE ONE THE LOOKS LIKE ROSEY O’DONNELL- ESPECIALLY YOU LEFTISBEST

10/28/2006 12:04:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh NO!!! Water boarding, how terrible and inhumane. Violation of the Geneva convention!!! We will become evil ourselves!!!
GET A CLUE LEFTY. WWII would have been lost if guys like you had any say. Fanatical Jihadists should be treated like the Japanese in the Pacific. The Japaneses always fought to the death, my ass, we did not allow them to surrender if they tried. Our fathers and grandfathers killed them when they surrendered. Its called war. The difference is back then our country was behind the effort and there were no headlines "MARINES SHOOT SURRENDERING JAPS". Now we have army soldiers getting years in prison for having his dog growl at prisoners. It is hard to believe. This country better wake up. The pussification of the public must stop. The founding fathers are rolling over in their graves.

A/2 Hom. Det.

10/28/2006 01:56:00 PM  
Blogger Rue St. Michel said...

Amen! Lefty and ColdType can't and won't deal with the threats we're facing.

Due in large part to BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) and a media that refuses to openly show Islamic jihadist tactics and their victims, the Radical Left dropped its interest in institutional Communism and is now arm-in-arm with the latest arm of militant facism around - Islam.

The Left won't recognize, and at times supports, the horrors that are endemic to radical Islam. Purveyors of "truth" like George Galloway, Ken Livingstone and Dick Durbin simply say whatever comes to mind and if their aberrant thoughts conflict with data, facts or history - well to hell with rationalism! It's all about feelings now, isn't it?

And how surprising it is that the Left now finds another clone of Cindy Sheehan - someone who feels they can be critical of the war and not be criticized themselves all because he/she lost someone in the war. The Mercury news, when writing about Pat Tillman's decision to leave the NFL and enlist actually had the audacity to say : This is the kind of patriotism -- not to mention brotherly solidarity -- that many of us West Coast skeptics find unsettling. And quietly, some people have questioned whether Pat Tillman was involved in too many concussion-producing tackles.

The writer questions Tillman's decision by insinuating that he'd been addled by "too many hits to the head." Nationalism and patriotism are now Bugaboos.

The Left can be accused of alot of things but its biggest weakness is its myopia. It cannot see how its policies will play out down the road. Dhimmi Carter thought he was being compassionate and supportive when he decided to leave the Shah of Iran out on a limb. Clinton thought he was doing great foreign policy work when he bombed Kosovo. LBJ thought he was doing a great thing by installing his Great Society program - only to see that the black community would take a significant step backward because of it. The ACLU thinks its doing a good thing by sueing any municipality that has a cross in its official symbol. What the Libs have in common is that their little programs and initiatives all look good on paper and can even be applauded. But the results are often a disaster.

And what's really a mess on the Left is that we've got men and women in Iraq, engaged in Urban warfare, putting their lives on the line and we've got Liberals here who are pushing Same-Sex Marriage initiatives down our thoughts.

Their collective minds are not in the right place. T'is an ill wind that blows no good. And we're not getting much "good" coming from the Left these days. And I'd be willing to bet that Republicans don't do as badly in the upcoming elections as the Media would have you believe.

10/28/2006 02:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've said it before and I'll say it again...CAN WE PLEASE BLOCK LEFTY..my patience has run out!

10/28/2006 02:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amen SCC and Rue... One of the best books on the subject is Sean Hannity's "Deliver us from evil". A must read for anyone who really wants to get a grasp on the direction our country is heading in this war on terror.

10/28/2006 07:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oprah has mulit-billions thanks to all the liberal lazy non-working white suburban woman here is an uneducated quota that was propped up and is now giving advice on who should be president! obama please no experience but the same rich will prop him up! that is why I always vote 100% REPUBLICAN!

10/28/2006 09:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

leftisthebest are you kidding? Waterboarding is torture? These people are out to kill all of us and you think they should have rights? Do you think the terrorists follow the Geneva Convention? What about our innocent people and military personnel that were killed and will be killed. If you feel so sorry for these useless human beings, get the hell out of America and go live with them. See how much you like it there. The best way to solve this problem is to kill all of them. Their children will become future terrorists and their woman give birth to them. We are in a war that these assholes started. War is war and if we have to torture a few people to save thousands, too damn bad. I'm sick of you and your fellow liberals spewing about the rights of these people. You're part of the problem in America today.

10/28/2006 09:28:00 PM  
Blogger leftisthebest said...

The point was comrades, not to lower ourselves to those who commit human rights violations. How did that play up in the world media before? Wrong is wrong.

And to those who say, "America, love it ot leave it,!" well, to those I say read the writings of this country's founders, they would never utter such nonsense.

Finally 2:20:53 PM poster:

Get a life. If my writings get you that worked up you wish to ban me, well, you cannot have much of amlife.

10/29/2006 04:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Coldtype said...

I few observations Rue St Michel... can I call you RSM? Cool.

You disparage Galloway, Livingston, et al, yet you provide no examples of where their "aberrant thoughts conflict with data, facts, or history". A wise choice on your part since there are none.

Where did they get the "facts" wrong RSM? The part where they, along with scores of others, pointed out that Iraq posed no threat to its neighbors much less to the US? That Iraq played no role in the 9/11 atrocities? That the virtual unilateral US attack on Iraq without UN Security Council authorization constituted a war crime, in fact the ulitimate war crime of aggression? Were they wrong when they pointed out, PRIOR to the invasion of March 2003, that intelligence did not support the claim that Iraq possessed WMD? Inquiring minds want to know.

You imply that Cindy Sheehan and now Kevin Tillman are somehow "unpatriotic" because they ask these obvious questions: Why are we slaughtering Iraqis? What was my loved one sacrificed for? Since when did the the interests of Haliburton and Exxon/Mobil become my interests--and worth the blood of my son/daughter/mother/father/brother/sister?

Carter & The Shah

Carter didn't "leave the Shah out on a limb", the people of Iran regained control of their country from the US energy corporations--in whose interests the Shah served--and kicked his ass out the tree. As you may recall the Shah was imposed upon the people of Iran by the United States after the CIA-sponsored coup overthrew the democratically elected government of Mohommed Mossedega in 1953.

LBJ and the Great Society

Blacks took a "step back" due to LBJ's Great Society programs? A step back from what? Jim Crow? Institutional racism, i.e segregation? Separate-But-Equal? Fool what are you talking about?

LBJ's civil rights legislation was an attempt to intergrate ALL members of American society into the benefits of FULL citizenship. Nothing more. LBJ, flawed as he was, had the courage to take the position that the Bill of Rights applied to African-Americans as well as any other American. It did not at the time--de facto.

The ACLU

The ACLU believes in the separation of church and state--as did the Founding Fathers. That's why they enshrined it in the Constitution.

Speaking of the Founders, A/2 Hom Det (10/28/2006 01:56:05 pm) states that they are now likely, "rolling over in their graves" given today's events. That's no doubt true. James Madison, the chief architect of our Constituion and Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence, would be astounded to find that corporations now have the rights of living people--without the responsibilites. Furthermore, the concept of the "unitary executive" and all the power that it implies would be immediately recognizible to them. They would assume you were referring to King George III. To protect the new republic from just this sort of tyranny in the future they put provisions for the sparation of powers into the Constitution--the very thing the Bush administration is now attempting (successfully so far) to undermine. Wake up. Stay safe.

10/29/2006 07:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whats wrong with waterboarding,dude? I love to surf!!!!!!!

10/29/2006 11:53:00 PM  
Blogger wagonman said...

Tillman and Sheehan aren't unpatriotic, however, I find it interesting that you never hear about a family member of a fallen hero who supports the mission in Iraq.

How many UN resolutions do you need?

Ironically, there were WMDs found in Iraq. Additionally I am sure that if the Bakaa valley in Syria was searched you might find even more WMDs, so says a former Iraqi General.

saddam did not comply with UN resolutions or terms of the cease fire of the first Gulf War.

The only problem with the prosection of this war is that we should go full out game on against the insurgents, we are the goddamn U.S. of fuckin A!

On another subject: THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. There is the prohibtion of state sponsored religion.

10/30/2006 08:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Coldtype said...

Wagonman, please forgive me but I'm have some difficulty following your arguments. Your opening paragraph implies that there is a conspiracy of silence regarding those who have lost loved ones in Iraq but still support the war.

Well, it's important to remember that support for the war wasn't that high to begin with. Now that it has become clear to most Americans that Team Bush launched the invasion under false pretexts support has plummeted. This is especially true among those who have lost loved ones in a war we had no business starting.

The WMD story has long been debunked. Be rest assured that if there had been WMD, Team Bush and their pom pom squad (better known as the corporate media) would have long revealed it ad nausium. Iraq had no WMD Wagonman, that's what made our attack feasible in the first place. Had they a credible deterrent( North Korea comes to mind) our forces would have stayed home.

"...we should go full game on against the insurgents, we are the goddamn U.S. of fuckin A!"
This was perhaps your most troubling statement Wagonman on a number of levels, but for now we'll deal with this issue of the "insurgents".

What an interesting term.

Article 51 of the UN Charter grants every sovereign people the right of self-defense against foreign aggressors. Given this fact, a more accurate label for the "insurgency" would be The Resistence.

What is uncontroversial is that Iraq did not launch an attack on the United States. Had they done so, would it be accurate to describe Americans battling elements of Iraq's expeditionary forces in, say Grant Park or in the urban canyons of Manhattan, as "insurgents"? Why SHOULDN'T Iraqis resist our presence in their lands? Would we not do the same?

The problem as I see it Wagonman is that we don't have a legitimate leg to stand on in Iraq, therefore your exhortation for us to go "full game on" stikes me as rather obscene.

Church & State

You've made my point here. The prohibition of state sponsored religion implies that the two institutions not be one and the same--thus they are separate. The Founding Fathers understood this necessity for they had The Spanish Inquisition and religious persecution of the Pilgrims in England as examples of what should NOT occurr in their American experiment. Stay safe.

10/31/2006 05:16:00 AM  
Blogger SCC said...

Once again, Coldtype is cherrypicking which info he choses to share.

What is uncontroversial is that Iraq did not launch an attack on the United States.

Except, of course, for the daily missle attacks on US fighter jets patrolling a UN sanctioned no fly zone, each and every one of which was an act of war.

C'mon coldtype, you seem so bent on following UN dictates after the fact, yet ignore 11 years of violations by Iraq passed by the duly appointed world body. Which is it? We think Bush Derangement Syndrome has rotted your brain.

10/31/2006 07:38:00 AM  
Blogger wagonman said...

I don't think there ia a conspiracy among family members, I know there is a conspiracy among the MSM to show the war in a poor light. A conspiracy to not put things into context. i.e. the murder rate for CIVILIANS in Detriot is higher than the casulty rate in Iraq among our troops.

The WMD story is only debunked in the MSM. Even if I concede your point that there were no WMDs the war was approved by the UN. all saddam had to do was comply with the will of the world and the terms of the cease fire.

That is one of the failings of libs. You have no memory. Saddam broke the ceasefire agreement of the first Gulf War. Any other reasons---WMDs, Human rights abuses, Democratizing the Mid-East are just cherries on top of the sundae.

I find it hard to believe that the pious and religous founders of this Country wanted the total absence of religon in the public square. There is a difference between a state sponsored religon and permitting i fact, encouraging citizens to practice or not to practice whatever spiritual customs they prefer.

I don't doubt that you find my "full out, game on" exhortation troubling. THERE IS NO REASON TO PLAY GAMES IN WAR. If you are going to spend lives and treasure you have to go Old Testament. That was our failure in Viet Nam.

10/31/2006 11:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Coldtype said...

Has it really come to this SCC? Are you so desparate to justify our illegal attack on Iraq that you would completely ignore Team Bush's original pretexts for the invasion of 19 March 2003?

According to then CIA Director George Tenet (and dutifully presented to the UN Security Council by Colin Powell in Feb '03) "uncontestible" evidence suggested that Iraq possessed WMD and had the means of delivery. It was a "slam dunk" remember?

At no point during the Bush administration's bum's rush of the UN during all of 2002 through the spring of 2003 did they mention as a causis belli, the ineffective Iraqi anti-aircraft fire at US/UK fighter/bombers then strafing the decimated country on a regular basis.

WMD was the explicit rationale for the US attack on sovereign Iraq--no other. The UN Security Council emphatically rejected this in light of all availible evidence. The US then stepped outside of the universally agreed upon framework for arbitrating international disputes (UN Security Council) and unilaterally (with British lap-dog and Coalition-Of-The-Bribed in tow)attacked and destroyed Iraq.

If we are to adhere to the fundimental moral concept of universality then we must accept that if it was a war crime for the USSR to invade, occupy, and destroy Afganistan in 1979, then the same must hold true for our similar actions regarding Iraq from 2003 through this very moment. Unlike yourselves I refuse to turn a blind eye to the crimes of my country. Thankfully at last it appears that I'm not alone--no doubt a cause for neo-con concern. Stay safe.

10/31/2006 09:22:00 PM  
Blogger SCC said...

Why do we have to keep slapping you in the face with facts coldtype? It's getting boring, just like you. Just because you keep saying something over and over again deosn't make it true.

George Tenet, a Clinton appoinment holdover said that there were WMD in Iraq, and he was right.

Over at The Washington Post, a story back in July of this year, 500 shells containing mustard and sarin gas were discovered. Each shell was a violation of the UN sanctions.

Or the not quite successful attack on Polish troops with a couple of sarin shells?

Or the tons of VX nerve gas shipped to Jordan in a narrowly aborted chemical attack - where do you think that came from?

Or the empty chemical delivery shells, each of which was a violation?

Or the UAV delivery systems uncovered at military arifields?

Or how about the tons of growing medium located at clandestine labs? Even if it isn't in it's finished form, having tons of ingredient A in one location and more tons of ingredient B at a second location (both ingredients which were, in fact, banned) and both ingredients are inert until mixed, doesn't make it NOT another violation of the sanctions. And since you only need a teaspoon full of some of this crap to kill tens of thousands of people, the tons that could fit inside the space of a two car garage could kill the entire world population ten times over...are you catching our drift yet?

As to your second contention that the President never mentioned the anti aircraft fire at UN approved US overflights, we quote DIRECTLY from the Joint Resolution passed by the Senate and House in 2002:

Whereas the current Iraqi regime has demonstrated its continuing hostility toward, and willingness to attack, the United States, including by attempting in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush and by firing on many thousands of occasions on United States and Coalition Armed Forces engaged in enforcing the resolutions of the United Nations Security Council;

Go read the entire resolution outlining no fewer than 17 reasons the Senate and House voted FOR war. So your bullshit allegation that this is an illegal war is just that - bullshit of the highest order. If the House and Senate voted for war, that makes it legal, plain and simple. The United States of America is not bound by the dictates of the UN for good reason - because the PEOPLE have not voted to submit to them.

Your next statement that "WMD was the explicit rationale for the US attack on sovereign Iraq--no other" is an out and out leftist lie - as proved by the Joint Resolution.

The statement "The US then stepped outside of the universally agreed upon framework for arbitrating international disputes" is another lie as the US has not surrendered any of it's authority to act in it's own interests to the UN AND the US had Security Council approval to invade (even if the French later lied and said they never meant to vote for force because they never thought the US would actually use it).

Your final paragraph "If we are to adhere to the fundimental moral concept of universality..." What the fuck is that? Who adheres to what? Is this a treaty we signed? We didn't think so. Just some leftist mumbo jumbo kum-bi-yah feel good crap leftover from the 60's or some Chomsky work of fiction? Get over yourself.

Stop swimming in the deep end tiny brain - we're drowning you with one arm tied behind our back here.

10/31/2006 10:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Coldtype said...

Drowning me? How does one drown in an empty wading pool? I've tried to warn you clowns about straying out of your depth, but since you want it, I'll bring it. Much more later. Stay safe.

11/01/2006 09:20:00 AM  

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