Why Don't We Have One of These?
- (NEW YORK) The search is over for a new Police Academy, and it is going to be spectacular - a 30-acre campus in Queens complete with 250 classrooms, firing ranges, indoor and outdoor tracks, a "tactical village" and a simulated subway station.
The projected price tag is equally breathtaking: $1 billion - and, perhaps, a lot more.
Mayor Bloomberg and Police Commissioner Ray Kelly announced yesterday that the current tow pound in College Point had been selected as the site of the new academy, replacing the woefully inadequate Manhattan facility that opened in 1964.
Our current facilities, aside from the new fitness center, seem woefully dated. The range, the plumbing, the gym, the classrooms, etc. You get the idea? Why hasn't someone come up with an idea for a "Police Campus," centrally located, accessible to metro classes, new everything and in some sort of modular fashion so it can be upgraded as technology moves us forward?
Of course, with the new and improved collapsible concrete floors like they've installed at Headquarters, the brand new leaky roofs in each District station recently built, the constantly going off fire alarms, faulty electrical wiring, overhead doors that don't function as designed along with other numerous safety disas.... we mean, "unique features" prevalent in so much City construction, it's amazing that some politically connected big thinker hasn't come up with something.
Of course, with the new and improved collapsible concrete floors like they've installed at Headquarters, the brand new leaky roofs in each District station recently built, the constantly going off fire alarms, faulty electrical wiring, overhead doors that don't function as designed along with other numerous safety disas.... we mean, "unique features" prevalent in so much City construction, it's amazing that some politically connected big thinker hasn't come up with something.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
45 Comments:
We need to take over the Brach's compound on Cicero Ave. Plenty of room for everything that will built for NYPD. I can't believe that we have no outdoor range and we have to go to Harvey--Gross. WTF!! The residents from 015 and 011 wouldn't mind the gunfire since it's an everyday occurance anyway. At least there would be parking there too.
The land that the academy sits on now is worth so much that 3 academy buildings could be built from the sales, but I'm sure it would be sold to Richie Rich's friends at pennies on the dollar for a massive profit which Richie will get a cut through "political contributions." It's all legit (wink, wink).
Because its not needed. It a over cost the city can't afford. They should use their money and buy a helium balloon to fly over the city. That old helochopper is worth money on a good trade in for balloons. We could get 25, one for each district.
excellent post, SCC....one wonders why Chicago doesn't have a "state of the art", or close to it, training facility....and, within that facility, extensive firearms and vehicle driving courses, and intensive english grammar and composition (i.e., case reporting and writing) courses, to ensure that someone who cannot pass those courses is dismissed...(not retrained, helped, pushed along)...but fired....
In response to this TOOLS statement below my reponse follows his....Yeah no kidding, Bt 812 never seems to be on the beat. Hey wanna patrol the new 7-11 at 63rd and Oak Park???? Or the 2 houses 6314 & 6318 S Oak Park that has gangbangers sitting on th porch and not dam thing being done about it. I know you guys are scared to leave that BS D.O.C. but can we get some service once in awhile????? Oh well this area is shot to hell anyways thank god Im moving, its like Mexico over here. 008 thanks for nothing!
4/21/2007 01:01:00 PM
Hey jag! I dont hear you calling 911 to get me overthere! I work on the west end and it's not my fault nor the 008th districts fault that we only have at the most 2 or 3 cars patroling that west end. Why dont you ask Dana starks! According to HIM we are'nt getting any more officers period in the 008th district and that we should shut up cause it aint gonna happen. Then 2 hours later this ass gets on tv and says that " we are putting more officers on the street to help the citizens"............THERE ARE OFFICERS WORKING THE WEST END YOU ASSHOLE! AND THEY ARE BRINGING IN GOOD SHIT EVERYDAY! YOU DO YOUR PART AND CALL 911 WHEN YOU SEE THE STUFF HAPPENING OR POST IT ON THIS BLOG CAUSE EVERY BIT OF INFO HELPS.
I and we can't be in 6 places at once and you should be bitching to the alderman why our cars get downed and sent over east, not bitching at the guys working the beat. You obviously dont work here and dont know the guys working the west end day in and day out trying to kick the shit out. Do us a favor and move ok or help out like I said above and either call 911, bitch to your alderman like everyone on the east end does or post some helpful info on this site. 008 is'nt the 008 it was 6months ago pal. There are workers here now. You seem to be the 1 scared. Grow some ballz and respond intelligently to this post.
FromAnOfficerKeepingTheWestEndSafe
4/22/2007 12:30:00 PM
Silly Silly SCC-
This is the Kingdom of Daley. Of course we dont have one of those and we never will. Good training?
We get what we get.
Next thing you will want is Glocks and guns from Springfield Armory or a raise on the next contract... Cant have that cause we dont have the money but we have the money for the Daleylimpics.
But if we all write our salary in parking tickets and ANOV's we could get a raise?
SCC:
If you are a normal cop raising a family, as you proclaim yourself to be, how do you have the time to find all of this? You post all of the unsubstantiated (bullshit) rumors the media would give their first child for, yet you call yourself a cop.
At best you are a RAT. Otherwise, I am led to believe you are a member of the police hating media.
I have been askn the same thing for years.... How can we as the 3rd largest city in AMERICA have such b.s. facilities??? Guess I gotta ask the mayor...
SSC-you guys are really dreaming...
SCC:
If you are a normal cop raising a family, as you proclaim yourself to be,
We're as normal as one can be on this job - which is to say "not at all."
how do you have the time to find all of this?
We use this cool little invention Al Gore created in his own backyard using tobacco leaves and powered by his own sense of self-worth. It's called the "Internet" and it's on computers nowadays. It lets us sift through stories from across the globe instantly. You've gotta try it sometime! And who said we were only one person? You think we have the time for this all by our lonesomes?
You post all of the unsubstantiated (bullshit) rumors the media would give their first child for, yet you call yourself a cop.
Here we go with the "you post" bullshit. We don't post it - the readers post it. We merely provide the outlet. This isn't new. The old SCCN Bulletin Board was up back in the late 90's early 00's. And prior to that was the bathroom wall. Thanks to leaps and bounds in technology (and Internet law), we can now bring it to the Department as a whole. However the media or civilians got a hold of this site, it wasn't from us. We are the only people guaranteed to be cops on this site. Anyone else could be posting from one of the six continents we are read on. If the media wants to run with what gets posted here, it's their choice. Besides, loads of this stuff should have been brought to light years ago - three different sets of disciplinary rules, stalker exempts getting jobs back, exempt harems, manpower shortages, outdated and dangerous equipment, etc. The other stuff is just BS and should be taken as such.
At best you are a RAT. Otherwise, I am led to believe you are a member of the police hating media.
At best? Wow. That's all you can come up with? We guess that's still better than being a TOOL. Although we aren't rats, at least a rat can hold it's head up under the guise of having done something right after being caught in the wrong. For a TOOL like you to do their job right, you have to keep your head down - usually attached to someone else's lower extremities (ass or other - whatever your taste).
Nice trying to attach us to the media though. We loath the media as anyone with half a brain can see from reading a month's worth of posts. Go play in traffic troll.
Hey 1:01 I live around 59th Mobile and I agree I see 811 all the time and 851 around the park. If I call for something you guys are always there. I know a little about manpower shortages, in 012 if we are lucky there are 4 people at 2nd watch late roll. And 2 are PPO's. Every dist. is downing cars and wagons. When I first started this job there was 3 wagons on all watches. Every car manned and 2-3 06 cars per watch. It sucks but you do the best you can. We all know nobody in the mindless city hall and 35th st. gives a shit about us. Then when one of us buys it they come out of their holes like roaches and do their fake grieving thing. Stay safe everyone and back each other up.
Other things the 2nd largest police department in the U.S. doesn't have...
1. Traffic Unit: I'm talking one that is eaqual in size to a district. When was the last time you saw traffic enforcement on the Ryan, Ike or Kennedy? Or in your neighborhood?
2. Truck Enforcement Unit: We are a major transportation hub in the U.S.
3. Auto Theft Unit: Some white shirt must have forgotten that criminals steal cars and commit other crimes with these cars.
4. Sex Offender Registery Unit: One that actively locates "non-complaint" offenders.
5. Internet Sex Crime Unit: We might have one, but do they do anything? I hear about CCSPD, LCSPD and other local jurisdictions making arrests, but never Chicago.
6. Aerial Support Unit: Oh, I know we have one, but seriously, one helicopter for a population of 3.5M, that balloons to 5M during business hour. How can Mayberry RFD have 3 helicopters and we have one, that may or may not be operating at this time.
7. Lake Front Summer Detail/Summer Mobile; The lake front during the summertime is equivalant to the the size of Aurora, in population, and has minimal police resources.
8. Transit Police: Once again, one that is equal in size to a district. With 1.6M people utilizing the CTA daily and a target for terrorist, these facilities should be policed 24/7.
I realize that this requires manpower, which we are in dire need of. Add other units/details to the list that we are missing.
Stay safe and buckle up!
Hey jag! I dont hear you calling 911 to get me overthere! I work on the west end and it's not my fault nor the 008th districts fault that we only have at the most 2 or 3 cars patroling that west end....
FromAnOfficerKeepingTheWestEndSafe
4/22/2007 12:30:00 PM
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To this officer I would like to say thanks. I live in the west end of 008 and I think that its a great place to live. You guys do good work. Please, keep up the work. That guy who says its like living in Mexico over there is a racist asshole. If his neighbors' last names don't begin with "Mc" or end in "ski" then he doesn't like them. If he's reading this, I say this to him, "Look at your own family and i'm sure you'll find a bunch of degenerate, lowlife, hillbillies. Swimming pools, movie stars." He's just like the other assholes that talk crap about the westend and the 8th Dist coppers, talking out of their asses. We should be attacking the problems and not each other.
At best you are a RAT. Otherwise, I am led to believe you are a member of the police hating media.
4/23/2007 03:08:00 AM
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Leave SCC alone. If you don't like this website, go back to your NAMBLA bookmark.
Maybe if we start doing drive-bys with paintball guns or BB guns on those assholes on 63rd & Oak Park we could get a little police service out here.
Call 911? What happened to good police work? Proactive? Not just hanging out at Signature, 7-11 and a few other places.
Yes 008 is properly staffed with people in uniforms, but not with working coppers.
There was talk along time ago to sell the property at the CPD academy and build a new academy on the south side. WTF happened to that?
Do us a favor and move ok or help out like I said above and either call 911, bitch to your alderman like everyone on the east end does or post some helpful info on this site. 008 is'nt the 008 it was 6months ago pal. There are workers here now. You seem to be the 1 scared. Grow some ballz and respond intelligently to this post.
FromAnOfficerKeepingTheWestEndSafe
Yaahooooooooooo. It is about time some one told that whiney west end 008 complainer off. Good job. Maybe next you could find out where HE lives and pay the coward a visit. Of course yoiu have to understand that he bought his little raised ranch on the WEST SIDE.
The Academy was originally designed to be over twice the size it is and it was to include several training amenities, including a pool. A campus was also in the design. This being Chicago, there were massive cost over runs by the UNION contractors. They had to shrink the facility to be able to afford a finished building.
rumor has it that TRU is moving to the old Kennedy/King College at 69/wentworth. The city has an extra 1.25 million to retrofit it for TRU.
There should be alot of openings in TRU when all of the north siders put in their par forms. $3.00 a gallon and a 1 1/2 hour ride to work down the Ryan. NOT ME!!!
If you go to other cities you will see that Chicago has a substandard police dept. PO vs.PO, Chicago's are a step above a banana republic.
SCC take a look at this thread if you get a chance. Did you know about this Chicago Reader article? Probably because you know all!
http://www.yelp.com/topic/WuahI2VKB5Dzg6EQCunoiw
I am happy to see all the pro Chicago Police comments! That's a nice change!
I WAS IN PHOENIX,AZ. AND SAW THE ARIZONA POLICE ACADEMY. TALK ABOUT STATE OF THE ART, THAT IS A TRAINING FACILITY, TALK ABOUT HELICOPTERS PHOENIX, PD HAS FIVE OF THE THEM.
CPD kills unarmed man on video
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pNQnqwxy9Vc
WOW!!
I live on 2211 and I NEVER see a squad car on patrol if that makes the people in 008 feel better. I'll always remember when I was working in 007 ten years ago and we responded to a person with a gun call. There was a SEA OF SQUAD CARS and OB from A1 said "Now think about if your old lady called this in where we live. How many cars would show up?" Great point then, great point now.
Let's keep our OWN backyards the safest people!
I love the private secured parking I have in our sally port that doesn't function for the officers.
Da Captain!
p.s. I need a Sgt to wash my car!!!
This city does not want trained police officers. The pwers that be want trained community activists. Shooting? Give me a break. You will never see a real shootinfg facility as long as Daley is in. They do not want you to shoot people. That is why we our training program just, and only just, meets the State standards.
As to the rest, hell all you need is classromms and a gym. We already have that.
And to the person who claims are facilities are so bad and other small departments have better, I have a question: How come the people from all these other high tech marvel departments- including NYPD- want to come and work here? Just curious.
There was banter about 35th St and City Hall to have a Police/Fire campus. They did look at the Brach's site. They also looked at the old Falstaff factory (SE side).
Why is will not come to fruition = The 2016 Olympics!
That is why they are dumping money into the Academy (fixing floors, Fitness Center (would not have happened if not for R. Huberman), etc.
However, I understand that the money that was allocated is running out. And what is done is pretty much done at the Academy.
Too bad that Daley had bigger ideas on what is important for the City of Chicago. As a result we are stuck for another 50yrs. with the present facility.
A combination Police/Fire academy was talked about being built on the far south side by the now closed steel mill. It was to be a complete campus, and most of the bosses from both Departments went out and looked at the site and the plans. It seemed like it was a go.
This was back around 2004. Never heard another word about it until recently, the Alderwoman out that way was bragging about the new residential and shopping area that was going to be built on that land.
Hmmmm.....
Back in the early 70's a proposal was floated for the new academy to be built on what is South Shore Cultural center; ample room for outdoor ranges, driver training, etc, etc. Idea was squashed by the lake front liberals. Hence, we're stuck with what we have. In the 90's planning was underway to build a new academy in SKinner park, adjacent to the existing building. Once real estate prices started to sky rocket areound there, THAT idea fell flat.
The most recent talk being bantered around is a combined CPD/CFD Facility.
That way the Cinder head Heroes 2be won't have to go far to find some side action, and the little girls who want to wear a gun can go husband shopping on company time.
I remember several years ago there was talk of turning the South Shore Cultural Center into a Police Campus but that got shot down somewhere along the line.
I CANT BELEIVE YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT WORKING IN 12 ON DAYS THERE IS NOTHING GOING ON IN 12 ANYMORE YOUR JUST MAD CAUSE YOU HAVE TO ANSWER A CALL A DAY THAT TAKES YOU OFF TAYLOR ST
If you think the Timothy J Oconnor center is bad, ask an old timer about the one on Obrien St
A CIVIL war hospital, turned int a school. The building was condemned, unsafe for school children
THEN given to the CPD for an academy
No heat, no gym, no showers
nothing
The Timmy Oconnor building will be around til it crumbles
Only the best for the CPD
Maybe if we start doing drive-bys with paintball guns or BB guns on those assholes on 63rd & Oak Park we could get a little police service out here.
Call 911? What happened to good police work? Proactive? Not just hanging out at Signature, 7-11 and a few other places.
Yes 008 is properly staffed with people in uniforms, but not with working coppers.
4/23/2007 10:37:00 AM
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I really dont feel good talking shit to another police officer but you sir are an asshole and the exception! How bold you are to make such stupid ass remarks..........childish I might add also. I'm really surprised and sorry that you feel that way, maybe you are misinformed........ We are NOT properly staffed in 008 and yes there are working police on the west and east end too! Maybe when u do your "driveby" I should do the proper thing and arrest you! You know, agg batt, criminal damage to property. I'm sure I'll get it approved since the ASA's are hell bent in approving agg batt's on P.O.s. lately. Is that the type of service you are looking for? I think not. Like I said earlier, post stuff on the blog, call 911, or even go to 008 and grab someone coming out from 3rd watch and I'll bet my job that someone will help you....not so sure about tact cause they still gotta hang in the doc (not their fault either). Stop blaming the Po's like its our fault. Like I also said earlier...this isn'nt the same 008 it was a 6months ago pal, there are people working here. Period! You think you can help then make your phone call and get over here and show us how its done. I'd tell you to bid but there havent been any openings in some time in this slooow no working lazy police district. Give me a break. On second thought, stay where you are cause you arent getting a 10sector car goof! We dont need whiners nor u. Sorry to see you could'nt post an intelligent response. I'll give you a second chance to "address" your observations. Till then be safe and have a nice day/night.
FromAnOfficerKeepingOurWestEndSafe
point blank...white chgo neighborhoods (bt 2211, 2212, 2213, 811, and 812) --i cant speak for white north or downtown areas. i dont work or live there---dont get enough or any police service. all the city cares about is the fuckn DOC. and all u tact/gang/sat teams/sos/tru etc bringin in the bs numbers for the bosses who will hang u in a heartbeat fuck you guess who is watching your house while you're on the doc NO ONE!! i work the west end of 008. 10 sector cars are always dispatched to the far east end of 008. if cars are on calls, arrests, lunch etc, then there might be 2 cars west of cicero. most of the west end of 008 cops are aggressive and hard working. but dont blame them for the w/c for downing a 10 sector rapid car or for a dispatcher sending them to handle a call for will or jose.
4/22/2007 12:30:00 PM
4/23/2007 12:58:00 AM
How maybe we start our own coppers "citizens on patrol?" staffed by us? the management of this dept. does not give a shit about the west end of 008! The coppers working the beats are to few and to many jobs! the assholes that are bitching about them taking breaks how about you leave your cush unit and come to 008 and show them how to work?
Anonymous said...
excellent post, SCC....one wonders why Chicago doesn't have a "state of the art", or close to it, training facility....and, within that facility, extensive firearms and vehicle driving courses, and intensive english grammar and composition (i.e., case reporting and writing) courses, to ensure that someone who cannot pass those courses is dismissed...(not retrained, helped, pushed along)...but fired....
4/23/2007 12:10:00 AM
Easy answer! there is so much corruption and payoff deals that it is hard to even build a decent building! 35th st. with the "moving desks", and the weight room with "rolling weights", the leaky doors that won't close, flooding parking lots with water tilted to stream in the building when it rains! another great walsh (friend of daleys) building! until PATRICK FITZGERALD gets the big fish daley this will continue to happen!
If Obama can be bribed with as little as a picket fence,just imagine how little it takes to get Lil King richie's attention.
Why you ask, do we not have one of these? Because sir, we are not a legitimate Police Department, thats why. This is not directed at the rank and file who go out each day and do thier jobs. It's directed at the system that runs this department. Think about it. In todays world, where it seems that the latest trend is to walk into a school and start killing people, what training have you received in regards to such a scenario? Have you attended any IST for this? Or what about an all out terrorist attack downtown or at any key location in Chicago? Whats the plan and how much training have you receieved for such an event? What about the recruits? How much training have THEY received? Now compare the amount of training you have receieved in regards to those matters with the training you have receieved in CAPS. Or firearms training. Or any other relevant training we have receieved. Get my point? We are not a legitimate Police Deparment and never will be until the "politics" of this job are removed,we are led by a competent PROFESSIONAL command staff and that staff is no longer beholden to the Mayor or some alderscum.
I CANT BELEIVE YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT WORKING IN 12 ON DAYS THERE IS NOTHING GOING ON IN 12 ANYMORE YOUR JUST MAD CAUSE YOU HAVE TO ANSWER A CALL A DAY THAT TAKES YOU OFF TAYLOR ST
It's always been busy in 012 on days, they steal and rob the district blind, especially the north end; with the influx of yuppies it's only gotten worse, there has never been any real go-getters on days in 012, or anywhere for that matter so it's busy and backlogged all day long. If it wasn't for tac/gangs on days in the districts all hell would break loose.
rumor has it that TRU is moving to the old Kennedy/King College at 69/wentworth. The city has an extra 1.25 million to retrofit it for TRU.
There should be alot of openings in TRU when all of the north siders put in their par forms. $3.00 a gallon and a 1 1/2 hour ride to work down the Ryan. NOT ME!!!
I agree, it's a great place to work but not if you have to travel to 69th-WW, i'll be going to nice district on the north side and take care of legit tax payers. Most of the north siders have said they will bail if this comes true.. the city in it's infinite wisdom strike again, they don't seem to get- centrally located.....
Why is the 008th district undermanned? Why are police in short supply? why will our next contract be shit? why is the pension in the hole? simple the name is daley! if you cannot donate or pay-off he does not want you! The new police buildings are built like shit thanks to all the money the contractors have to pay to the alderthieves and daley and stroger and blago! look at that asshole emil jones marries a younger hoochie momma gives her a "create a job" for 185K to start, then takes a huge pay off from com ed to prevent a price rollback! OUR TAXES WILL BE INCREASING A HUGE AMOUNT IN FALL 2007 WRITE TO ALL THE ELECTED ASSHOLES THEY WILL NOT DO ANYTING TO PREVENT THIS AS THE PAYOFFS ARE ALREADY SET!
the southern part of 008 is not any better. i've lived here for 5yrs and its just getting worse. 008, u want something good? fri & sat nights (which u guys r probably backlogged all night) check out 8510 kilpatrick, durkin park, scottsdale park, and da lovely ladies of da nite on cicero. Stay safe.
No matter where the city decides to build anything, they will never have enough room for parking. Take a look at 35th + michigan.......Must be room for 1000 cars there but not a spot for you trying to deliver the last 3 days worth of outgoing mail to the mail room, cause the mailman never made it to the area.............
What a Joke
Why do we need such a huge police trainiing facility?
It's not like we hire more then 400 a year.
Although, at $30,000 a head to train surburban coppers, richie could make some money...and if walsh construction gets the bid...
It's always been busy in 012 on days, they steal and rob the district blind, especially the north end; with the influx of yuppies it's only gotten worse, there has never been any real go-getters on days in 012, or anywhere for that matter so it's busy and backlogged all day long. If it wasn't for tac/gangs on days in the districts all hell would break loose........Yeh,tac and gangs.....cleaning up the district one drunken mexican public pisser at a time!!!
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