Homicide Rate
- Six months into the year, homicides in the city are holding even with last year, but the number of shootings decreased sharply.
Homicides are at 211 this year, compared with 212 last year, but officials say the number of shootings has dropped from 834 at this time last year to 694 this year.
Chicago Police Supt. Phil Cline credits this to the department's strategic approach over the last several years of analyzing crime daily and immediately deploying resources to trouble spots.
Homicide rate steady, but shootings down almost 150 incidents. We aren't math wizards, but we figure this means one of two things:
- either the hospitals aren't saving as many as they used to, or
- shooters are getting more accurate.
Whatever the correlation, it would appear that we have reached the point of diminishing returns - that is to say that the Department (and the political administration) has reached the point where they've cut manpower as far as they can on the front lines and are able to maintain a steady homicide rate over the course of three years (2005 and 2006 were within 2 homicides of each other and this year we are within 1 of last year's rate.) At some point, the City is going to have to accept that 3 million people cannot live in close proximity with one another without 450 or so homicides occurring during any given year.
How about this for a tin foil hat conspiracy theory - someday, the Chicago Machine will be able to manipulate the homicide rate up or down depending if they want to instill unease in the populace or show the voters how tough they can actually be on crime.
UPDATE: Someone in the comments section is calling our statements ignorant:
How about this for a tin foil hat conspiracy theory - someday, the Chicago Machine will be able to manipulate the homicide rate up or down depending if they want to instill unease in the populace or show the voters how tough they can actually be on crime.
UPDATE: Someone in the comments section is calling our statements ignorant:
- What a ignorant statement. Check out all the cities around the world with more than 3 million people and you find that all of them, including shitholes in South America and Mexico, CAN support more thatn 3 million people WITHOUT having anywhere near 450 murders a year. Tokyo has over 12 million people. The number of murders that occured there last year: 64.
It the stupid gun laws in this country that enables thugs to quickly, easily and cheaply kill people.
- Johannesburg - Population 3 million - 1000 homicides per year
- Moscow - Population 12 million - 1015 homicides in 2006
- Rio de Janeiro - Population 6 million - between 29,000 and 35,000 every year this century
Labels: crime
posted by SCC at 12:06 AM
44 Comments:
The cameras... wolfpack missions and all those super duper papers with the deployment crap sums it up. Someone has a very sharp pencil.
speaking of manpower, last week i was a 99 unit and given a battery in progress in the projects. OEC did not assign me an assist, i asked them to send me an assist car and they said that there we no cars up to send. i told them i would standby until one was. the dispatcher then accused me of refusing to take the job. good thing the sgt was listening and stepped up, but this is becoming more and more common. its going to take one of us to get killed before anything changes, though even if that happened im sure nothing will change still. not sure why im still out there bustin my ass anymore. we're all in a trick bag....damned if we do, damned if we dont. we really need to get on the same page, i know there's alot of shit talking between us and thats the way the department likes it...THEY DONT WANT US ON THE SAME PAGE!!! The brass' strategy to to divide us an conquer us. We will never get a fair contract (FLOP or NOT) its beyond that. They dont care if we have back up or not, they dont care if we cant use that comp time on a tuesday that your earned for working christmas day and didnt get to see your kids open their gifts. I think the only way to get them is paper, do paper on everything, make the crime index reflect the real crime in this city. stop spending 30 mins to get out of 5 min of paper, stop all the 19p's. i know you can get jammed for a blue flu, and it doesnt work anyway cause we are not on the same page. We help kill crime to by not doing paper. if the crime index go's up the brass gets bent over, i say its their turn
Not true. Can't happen. Guns are against the law in Chicago. What? Well what if you had dean Wormer put people with guns on "Double secret probation"?
"At some point, the City is going to have to accept that 3 million people cannot live in close proximity with one another without 450 or so homicides occurring during any given year."
What a ignorant statement. Check out all the cities around the world with more than 3 million people and you find that all of them, including shitholes in South America and Mexico, CAN support more thatn 3 million people WITHOUT having anywhere near 450 murders a year. Tokyo has over 12 million people. The number of murders that occured there last year: 64.
It the stupid gun laws in this country that enables thugs to quickly, easily and cheaply kill people.
WAKE UP!!!
You can thank TRU and all the contact cards they do for decrease. To think if they did work full 8 instead of 4 and didnt go to school on company time or alter time due slips.....wow crime would really go down!!!!!
Phil Cline has been manipulating the homicide count since he was appointed Chief of Detectives.
Pam Zekman touched on this in her reports of last November and March, which can be found at
www.cbs2chicago.com. If she had been allowed access to the records she would of been able to document the entire sordid facts.
If you recall Grau was the facechild of the Department's response when he indicated he "wished the officers talking to her had come to him instead". Yeah!!
Maher was placed in her position because she could be trusted to continue the program as her husband is Cline's closest friend.
What used to be a homicide under Chief Ivanjack might now be a homicide, might be a involuntary homicide because the SAO will not prosecute or even more upsetting might be carried as a death investigation pending further investigation, for years and years.
Cline's claim to fame of reducing the number of homicides is based on erasers and typewriters and he should be ashamed of himself.
Have u noticed how the liberal/ghetto cabal has labeled everything as "another student killed"? This dramatizes their antigun stance.
They need to cleanup/control their ghetto hoods. Lumping us all together and taking away ALL our guns: now thats racist!!!
BULLSHIT shootings are down they are being classified as cdtp's.
IT SURE SEEMS LIKE THOUGH SHOOTINGS BY US THE POLIECARE WAY UP! WHY? SIMPLE BEACUSE THE ANIMALS KNOW WE HAVE NO SUPPORT FROM DALEY AND HIS EVIL CABAL OF MONEY TAKERS! WITH NO SUPPORT WE ARE LIKE THE BLUE CANARIES! BE CAREFUL DO PAPER ON EVERYTHING AS ANOTHER STATED IT TAKES MORE TIME AND JUSTIFIES TO THE TAX PAYERS WHAT REALLY GOES ON! GRAU WILL BE NEXT SUPT BET ON IT WITH KEATING AS 1ST DEPUTY SO DALEY HAS THE PUPPET STRINGS IN JIMMYS BACK!
To 1:07, most of these new dispatchers that talk like they got paper in their mouth are only concerned about clearing their board. It doesn't surprise me that she did that.
Lts of sharp pencils on this job. Im waiting for the Hydrandt-Pack mission to come.
Its all due to seatbelt missions.
Chief Ivanjack! When you used that no ball creep in you argument you lost me. And you soure grapes B.S. about homicide numbers is getting old. Ask your mom if you can move out of her basement and get a place of your own. It might help.
Shootings are down...but stabbings and beatings are up. Check I-CLEAR. That's what is keeping the homicides up. Someone who wants to kill, will, no matter the tool used. It is not feasible to correlate the nmber os shootings to homicides because there are a myriad number of ways to kill...and kill they do.
On a daily basis the print media reports homicides and shootings. It appears to me that the numbers of individuals who die a violent death is much more than what the Department is classifying as a homicide.
I wish that Grau and Maher would explain the difference to the public!
Maybe the shooters are getting less accurate. Compare the number of shots fired calls on any given day with the number of people shot. Even if half are bogus there’s a lot of shooting in this city, and a whole lot of missing. How many times have you as a street cop heard shots being fired, but a search of the area produced nothing, no witnesses, no body. A better bench mark to determine the success of various crime fighting techniques would be to study the number of shots fired calls. After all most legit shots fired calls in this city aren’t some drunken cowboy jumping on his horse shooting his six shooters in the air in celebration of a wedding. Most shots fired have an intended target and the bullets just happened to miss their target and bystanders. Do you remember when shots fired at a person was reported as AGGRAVATED BATTERY not Aggravated Assault
TRU is the SHIZNIT
The homicide rate would be much higher if not for modern medicine. They should really count the number of agg. batts. with firearms.
Hey CPD guys,im not a cop but i appreciate your efforts.Keep blasting these mopes.let jesse rant and rave,if anyones asks me,pookie tried to kill the copper,it was a clean shoot.
The Japanese happen to be civilized people, don't put them in the same class as a west or south sider and I'll bet a lot of unsouvled/unreported murders go on in south American countries and Mexico.It is not our gun laws that are killing people, we have plenty of gun laws, it's the lack of actual punnishment that keeps thugs on the street. You can thank your liberal judges for that, now who needs a wake up?
What's the real deal on the Ravesnswood shooting last night?
TRU is the "new" SOS. The old SOS regime is finished and the TRU officers are the "elite" of CPD now. Mark my words, the SWAT unit will align with TRU by the end of this year and SOS will be disbanded forever. Get ready to be sent back to your districts you SOS scabs! Like it or not, TRU is what SOS used to be.
Maher is a clueless twit who commands no respect, even as a police officer. Transfer her to Streets & San and be done with it.
The homicide rate would be much higher if not for modern medicine. They should really count the number of agg. batts. with firearms.
This is true, but don't give them all the credit, these assholes are awful shots, most of the shootings are leg, arm, hand, foot shots. The strategies put in place by Cline have also helped; you don't go from over 800 homicides a few years ago to under 500 all from modern medicine.
tru units will be issued fire hydrant keys and complete field contact cards on citizens that are under the hydrants cooling off
turn off ten fire hydrants and 30 field contact cards will be considered a tour of duty
Cline learned how to phony up the homicide count from New York City.
If the national media looked into this that would end Guiliani's campaign for President as they were the first to change the way homicides are reported.
Poor Gary, Indiana and New Orleans have not caught on to the new program.
Grau made a stupid statement regarding homicides and he has yet to correct same because he knows Zekman is reporting the truth.
To 7/09/2007 01:26:00 PM
The Japanese are not as civil as you think. read your history, they allied themselves with hitler's Germany, accepted hitler's extinction programe' and took the common citizens weapons. Only those in the upper sanctum could own or have any weapon. They also experimented along the same lines as mengle. Civilized, NOT!
Japan also executes drug dealers... just food for thought.
Phil Cline ;is hiding the numbers,,,we are way over from last year...and guns are down, tru and sos are not doing thier jobs, boys..We are looking bad.HAHAHAA, FAT PHIL
bangers spray the corner with gunfire at rivals-nobody hit-parked vehicles damaged by bullets-classified as criminal damage?where are the supervisors?dont worry office,it was in the d.o.c.-to many notifications-w/c in bad mood,d.o.c.meeting tomorrow,we need event numbers for community concerns.
OK, GET THIS STRAIGHT!!!
You guys whine about gun control and then some idiots posts:
"Tokyo has over 12 million people. The number of murders that occured there last year: 64.
It the stupid gun laws in this country that enables thugs to quickly, easily and cheaply kill people."
Japan has some of the most stringent gun laws in the world!
GUN CONTROL IS NOT THE ANSWER OR THE PROBLEM.
WE HAVE CULTURAL AND SOCIETAL ISSUES THAT CAUSE THESE PROBLEMS. Unfortunately, they won't be addressed anytime soon. So enjoy your job security!
To: 1:26 Poster
You are only 1/4 correct.
Japan is NOT a civilized country, nor their citizens a civilized people.
I have traveled there and found them to be some of the most rude and arrogant people on earth.
Also, during WW II they were barbarians, who terrorized all of their neighboring countries.
THE REASON THEY HAVE A LOW MURDER RATE IS BECAUSE THE DO NOT ALLOW FOR LARGE NUMBERS OF IMMIGRANTS PERIOD!
The ethnicity of Japan is about 99% japanese, with the other 1% being U.S. Military personel who are confined to certain areas and some tourists along with a small number of business people engaged in commerce.
By comparison in the U.S. (even if the population numbers were equal between Japan and US) we have a diverse culture made up of millions of people,from hundreds of different countries, races, religions, etc. Now add these variables together, you are bound to have differences of opinion and occasional violence.
In Japan, there is only one variable, the Japanese culture. Which is why they have a low rate of violent crime.
Guns don't kill people. PEOPLE (OF DIFFERING CULTURES)KILL PEOPLE!
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Oh, of course except in Chicago.
Where we have people of the same culture killing each other, unlike the Japanese.
In Chicago we have African-Americans killing each other in higher percentages. WHY?
We may have to travel to Africa and spend millions on research to learn why.
The non Detective nitwits who keep claiming on here that the homicide figures are doctored should grow up and wise up.
Dead is dead boys, you can't change it.
Cline is all but gone so now you pathetic fools will have to get a new whipping boy for your sophomoric mis imformation.
Someone please answer: why do you care whether Cline is hiding the numbers? He receives some good P.R. - good for him. Under Rodriquez (s/p), Hillard and Cline - I still get a paycheck. I do not care if Cline gets some good P.R. Why do we bitch so much?
In 11 years, I still work in a district. It's sucks. I realize that the job has become somewhat boring - do the same thing over and over and for the people in the academy that said it's not like an office job - it's worst. I rather sit in an office downtown and then go out to lunch downtown than deal with the crap, the people, that we deal with. But's it's not Cline's fault. I still do my job and bring it great numbers, because what else would I do for 8 1/2 hours in a shithole.
I actually think Williams has done more harm as Chief of Patrol than anyone else in my 11 years. He must be a moron, because some of his policies has damaged the Department.
I understand the bitching when it comes to policies that harm us, but when a person gets good P.R. why do we care.
FOP should use these stats in getting us a better contract.
speaking of manpower, last week i was a 99 unit and given a battery in progress in the projects. OEC did not assign me an assist, i asked them to send me an assist car and they said that there we no cars up to send. i told them i would standby until one was. the dispatcher then accused me of refusing to take the job. good thing the sgt was listening and stepped up, but this is becoming more and more common. its going to take one of us to get killed before anything changes, though even if that happened im sure nothing will change still. not sure why im still out there bustin my ass anymore. we're all in a trick bag....damned if we do, damned if we dont. we really need to get on the same page, i know there's alot of shit talking between us and thats the way the department likes it...THEY DONT WANT US ON THE SAME PAGE!!! The brass' strategy to to divide us an conquer us. We will never get a fair contract (FLOP or NOT) its beyond that. They dont care if we have back up or not, they dont care if we cant use that comp time on a tuesday that your earned for working christmas day and didnt get to see your kids open their gifts. I think the only way to get them is paper, do paper on everything, make the crime index reflect the real crime in this city. stop spending 30 mins to get out of 5 min of paper, stop all the 19p's. i know you can get jammed for a blue flu, and it doesnt work anyway cause we are not on the same page. We help kill crime to by not doing paper. if the crime index go's up the brass gets bent over, i say its their turn
7/09/2007 01:07:00 AM
WELL SAID BROTHER!!!!!
Chicago: murder capital of the world....I wear my pin proud.
It's getting deep. Let me go get my waders.
ANYONE KNOW THE CURRENT SCORE CARDS FOR HOMICIDES IN THE DISTRICTS?
TRU is the "new" SOS. The old SOS regime is finished and the TRU officers are the "elite" of CPD now. Mark my words, the SWAT unit will align with TRU by the end of this year and SOS will be disbanded forever. Get ready to be sent back to your districts you SOS scabs! Like it or not, TRU is what SOS used to be.
STFU, i'm in TRU and nobody thinks like that. TRU is not what SOS used to be and nobody wants it to be, just make your stops get your heads and get paid, thank GOD they don't pressure people to get guns, etc, establish a points system, that's the very reason that unit imploded, it's a shame but it is what it is...
ANYONE KNOW THE CURRENT SCORE CARDS FOR HOMICIDES IN THE DISTRICTS?
007 is leading the city, followed closely by 011, 006, 005, 003, 009,004, 008, 015.....
Dead is dead boys, you can't change it.
7/09/2007 08:06:00 PM
Yes you can,and they are.
Coppers are hitting their targets a lot better this year. Maybe that's why the homicide rate is down.
CJN said...
Coppers are hitting their targets a lot better this year. Maybe that's why the homicide rate is down.
7/11/2007 05:15:00 AM
Aim small miss small.
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