It's Grau
For the second time in four years, an outsider will vie against two police insiders to become Chicago’s next police superintendent.
The Chicago Police Board identified the insiders as Deputy Supt. Hiram Grau and Chief of Patrol Charles Williams. Grau is Hispanic. Williams is black.
The third finalist is Thomas Belfiore, a 20-year veteran of the New York City Police Department.
Our favorite columnist (Hi Fran!) gives a little too much credence to the third finalist - Daley has never considered an outsider - at least not an outsider he can't control. We don't think the current crop of scandals are enough to drive him to this extreme. And a big thanks to Fran for pointing out that Grau is Hispanic and Williams is black - can't let qualifications get in the way of keeping that "balance."
Williams still has to answer for his speech to the supervisors undergoing Ethics Training when he allegedly told everyone that if he could have sent the Sergeant of "Jefferson Tap" fame any farther away from home after the dump (from 016 to 005), he would have. This allowed the entire incident to fester for months before the Abbate incident, which then directly led to Cline's resignation.
It would be hilarious if Williams actually won the top spot after causing the downfall of his predecessor through inaction concerning alleged misconduct - especially after Channel 7 is touting his IAD credentials in their report. The smart money is on Grau at this point.
Williams still has to answer for his speech to the supervisors undergoing Ethics Training when he allegedly told everyone that if he could have sent the Sergeant of "Jefferson Tap" fame any farther away from home after the dump (from 016 to 005), he would have. This allowed the entire incident to fester for months before the Abbate incident, which then directly led to Cline's resignation.
It would be hilarious if Williams actually won the top spot after causing the downfall of his predecessor through inaction concerning alleged misconduct - especially after Channel 7 is touting his IAD credentials in their report. The smart money is on Grau at this point.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
139 Comments:
I really don't care who it is, I would just like someone to help out the troops and boost morale.
No matter who gets the big job, all he/she has to do is remember General Order #1.
Never say or do anything that will in any way affect our simpleton mayor's ability to stay on the public payroll.
When in doubt, refer to General order #1.
Thomas "The Outsider" Belfiore left the NYPD in 2001 after a twenty year career. He commanded the 19th Pct. (the affluent Upper East Side), the Police Academy and as an inspector in Internal Affairs, figured prominently in the police corruption investigation of the narcotics and perjury scandal in "the Dirty Thirty"--the 30th Pct. in West Harlem/Washington Heights.
In 2002, he became the Commissioner of Public Safety for Westchester County, the suburbs directly north of NYC (the Bronx). His current annual salary is $171,000.
He's just a decoy. Why would Belfiore or anyone in their right mind apply and relocate for this clusterfuck of a migraine job under Daley for a pay hike of less than 15K?
I smell a rat!
It's business as usual with Daley stooges Grau or Williams. It's the Chicago Way!
Funny how we view this a little different. I was in attendance when Charlie made that comment about Sgt.JP.........however we don't believe this will keep him from the top spot........hope we are wrong.
I say Williams.
In a magnanimous gesture, Mayor Richard M. Daley has granted Hiram Grau and Charles Williams his clandestine approval for unlimited and unmonitored bowel movements through 31 July 07.
The only question that remains is how in the hell did "headhunters" David Gomez and Associates get the New Yorker to even apply?
I'm a retired copper pretty much out of the loop except for SCC.
Exactly who is this Grau fellow? Did he ever work the streets of fast south and west side districts? Was he a detective? What units did he spend most of his first 20 years or so as a PO, dick, sgt. and lt.? Who is his clout?
He does seem to have a very low profile.
Belfiore from the NYPD can't be that naive or stupid. They must have promised him that while he'd never get it, he can always say he was a finalist for the CPD top job.
Any outsider would have to be a moron to figure he actually had a legit shot at it. Add that the word gets around with IACP, etc. that outsiders need not apply. Even if an outsider could get it, he'd have to be crazy to take it.
A complete waste of time. For what?
God forbid it is Williams. Daley's old man picked an outsider as in O.W. Wilson.
Yeah the fat boy was a thrll. and Matt must have gone to rehab 6-7 times. The hell what you think Willams said. Were you there? I doubt it. Grau is a great guy, no doubt. But don't start hating on the brother because he had a PC moment, they all do. My choice is Cathy Rendon.
I respectfully disagree, Williams IAD credentials is what Daley likes..... charlie actually isn't a bad guy, he just isn't going to stand for nonsense, especially off-duty bar bs...
It might appear that the mission of the new Superintendent will be uprooting corruption and enhanced training...
It looks like two of the three finalists have strong IAD backgrounds.
[From 1997...] Deputy Inspector Thomas E. Belfiore, one of the Internal Affairs detectives who led the 30th Precinct investigation, is now the commander of the city's Police Academy and has helped develop a curriculum to teach officers the steep costs of lying to strengthen a case. His course even includes a role-playing segment during which officers are forced to choose between committing perjury to protect their partner or telling the truth and, in effect, charging their partner with lying.
[From 2002...] Thomas Belfiore joined the New York City Police Department in January of 1981 and steadily rose through the ranks. Belfiore has many notable experiences and accomplishments, including representing the NY City Police Department in Jerusalem, Israel where he exchanged strategies with the Israeli National Police relative to anti-terrorism security measures. In addition, he provided training to the Nigerian National Police of Management and Operational Matters in conjunction with the FBI and the US Department of State. He is a former adjunct professor at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, lecturing on behalf of the US Department of Justice. He has been awarded (on several occasions) New York City Police Department recognition in the grades of “Commendation, Meritorious Police Duty, and the Excellent Police Duty” for exceptional acts of bravery or intelligent policing, recipient of numerous awards from diverse communities in recognition of dedicated, professional and responsive police service. The Sheriff was named Westchester County Sheriff in 2002. He is a graduate of John Jay College of Criminal Justice with a B.S., Police Science (Cum Laude) and Master of Arts, Criminal Justice Minor Police Administration. Westchester County has a population of 900,000.
Google... its all there.
Waiting for the flop on Thursday...
One has college and has an MBA, one doesn't have a B.S. but you other supervisors HAD to get a minimum of a B.S. HA-HA-HA.
I love how the media article stated Williams has public housing experience, that asshole, on his first day as commander of public housing, came in our roll call, like the little troll he is, and told us he was getting rid of 10 hour days and he would do his best to disband housing! He smirked and said have a good day. Well he did both the iad rat! Loves to micromanage and loves fuckin coppers. Yeah he would be GREAT for morale!
How dare you call me a "RED HERRING!" That's just silly, silly, silly. Just plain silly.
I'll have you know that I'm a legit Coney Island BLUE herring!
I just went up the Hudson River to spawn.
Don't count Williams out. If the Mayor wants someone who will truly
crack down on the silliness, then
Williams is a lock on the position.
I sincerly hope its the New York guy............it would be the smart move for Daley....and would seriously De-Ball the reverend and aldercreature Cadre...........man think of the possibilities......a man in charge with no allegence to the top 20 ranking clowns...er I mean bosses.....I like it.... I like it alot......bye ...bye clout babies.............
C. Williams EVEN
H. Grau 2 to 1
A. Abbate 500 to 1
T. Belfiore 666 quintillion to 1
Bet of the day... If/When Williams gets it--- How long before he steps on his dick?
The only question that remains is how in the hell did "headhunters" David Gomez and Associates get the New Yorker to even apply?
7/10/2007 01:00:00 AM
It's called a free vacation for the hick. He can write it off.
They only picked "belfiore" to exploit him and use his credentials to make it look like williams and grau have the same..
Grau is a GR guy from the past. Made sgt. in 88 and lt. 10 years later. fbi task force, district for a couple minutes, gangs, etc.
I can't see any outsider taking the job, not knowing up front what it entails. The Mayor picks your spokesperson, your legal counsel, first deputy and probably a bunch of other spots. The mayor dictates police policy and tells the "professional" how to run the Dept. This guy from New York is suppose to be big on integrity. Maybe he would be good. Maybe he would blow the whistle to the press on how this Dept. is really run... by Da Mayor.
Pallidin
P.S. Don't forgrt being screamed at by the little Napoleon at city hall any time the CPD does something he doesn't like
I have a question- Is the guy from New York also short??
Who is shorter? Williams or Grau.
That is part of the interview, you have to stand up to a mark on the wall, if you are too tall, no prize.
Two officers from Brooklyn's 71st Pct. were shot by the occupants of a stolen new BMW SUV in an early morning traffic stop. Officer Herman YAN will survive. Pray for Off. Russell TIMOSHENKO in extremely critical condition.
Three M/1 in custody.
C'mon Charlie "Box-o-Rocks"!
If this short little man gets the spot, my clout level sky rockets to.....still.....NOTHING. Fuck.
Destroy the department--make it Williams.
SOMEONE WHO KNOWS POLITICS SAYS:
You guys are not looking at the big picture... it's not who's going to be the next Supt. Everyone should be asking who will be the FIRST Deputy?
Rumors down at City Hall is that the next Supt. will be just a figure head and the First Dep. will be running the day to day operations (just like Townsend did).
MY money is on Jimmy Keating the former head of the Mayor's bodyguard detail to run the show!
Morale cannot get any lower and if Chuckie Williams gets it, this department will implode.
You can bet it will be Williams, race has everything to do with it. They already have a hispanic in charge of the fire dept. (Orozco) and the 911 center has another high ranking hispanic. Smart money is on Williams I would even bet that with 50 to 1 odds. Watch and see boys and girls he's in, it's just a formallity
Coppers as a whole, will not be happy and they WILL miss Cline!
I DONT KNOW THE OUTSIDER, HAVE HAD DEALING WITH WILLIAMS, DONT RELLY CARE FOR HIM, AND KNOW "OF" GRAU, BUT NEVER HAD DEALINGS. CAN ANYONE SHED SOME LIGHT ON WHERE GRAU CAME FROM, WORKED AS PO. AND WHERE HE WORKED AS HE ROSE THRU THE RANKS??? JUST CURIOUS.
Well Charles Williams also gave and kept CHA Special to Public housing. He went all out to do what he could for us so I don't know what that previous poster was talking about. I saw him at many crime scenes in housing and he went out of his way to help anyone he could. But if you were a Dog or asshole he wanted no part of you. That' the Charles Williams from housing that I knew.
My choice is Cathy Rendon.
7/10/2007 02:03:00 AM
DIITO THAT!!
You're all wrong. I just heard Daley was giving the top spot to Seiser, cause he runs it.
If they make it Willimas we won't have to worry about our superintendent becoming a jagoff. He already is one.
NO ONE. I mean NO ONE from IAD should be allowed to ascend to the rank of Superintendent.
IAD was and always will be full of shitty cops who couldn't work the streets so they become "agents" whose primary duty is to fuck cops around.
Lets face it IAD personnel couldn't find their ass with both hands. Fuck over working coppers while letting the big fish i.e. SOS
run ramoant for years.
IAD is like the inspector who says shit about your dirty shoes at check off because you actually got out of your car and worked but wouldn't say shit about all the other BS that goes on during a tour to the real dogs of the watch who shop, take 2 hours to do a paper job or are off their beat or out of their district commiting crimes.
Come on. We all know this goes on.
Fuck anyone from IAD.
Williams is the only one who took any action!
How many commanders will be replaced if grau gets it? Do you think daley will have 2 hispanics in top spots! we have orozco at fire,and I forgot is there not a hispanic head at oemc? Even so the money is still on grau!
Hiram Grau has many things going for him. First of all, the "skeletons in the closet" seem to be non-existent. He is quiet, professional and low-key. If you pay attention, you'll observe that he never sticks around after DOC meetings to shoot the crap with his fellow exempts. He seems to distance himself from the rumor mill.
You'll never see Grau b.s.'ing for too long with any one person or group of people at a social gathering. He seems to be keenly aware of who is full of hot air, and keeps his distance. I admire him for not wanting to be painted with the same brush as many of his exempt counterparts. This man is not impressed with himself or his rank. However, he does have one thing working against him...his Hispanic heritage.
At this point, we currently have an Hispanic Fire Commissioner and an Hispanic in charge of OEC. How do you think the Black contingent will take it if our new Superintendent is Hispanic, too?
Rumor has it that the Mayor can't stand Charlie Williams. We'll have to see if this plays out. Of all the choices, his appointment as Superintendent would do more to deflate morale than any other.
Unfortunately, Charlie has never learned the finesse of being a boss. He rules with fear and an iron first. Unlike Grau, Charlie's attitude is "Pattonesque"..."by God, you'll do what I tell you to do or I'll grind you into the dirt like a bug". He's got an evil streak in him...as is evidenced by the famous smirk and the dumps across the City.
So, the way it's panning out, the appointment of our new Superintendent will again be a racial decision. Will the Mayor be able to hold off Jesse (and his political powerhouse of a family) and appoint the best man for the job? Or will he give in and do what looks better?
Thoughts?
ATLANTA — In a symbolic move to erase the controversial "n-word" from the English vocabulary, the NAACP held a mock funeral in Detroit on Monday, complete with a horse-drawn carriage and a pine box coffin that will be buried in a city cemetery and marked with a headstone.
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Next, try and bury the LINK cards.
.....charlie actually isn't a bad guy...
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Yea he isn't a bad guy except he hates blue shirts, totally arrogant, and is a person that has to let everyone know he’s in charge. Probabally was beat up in grade/high school and wants to get back at everyone or the Napoleon complex is very apparent.
Sorry Charlie, stop talking about yourself again.
025 district copper said...
I love how the media article stated Williams has public housing experience, that asshole, on his first day as commander of public housing, came in our roll call, like the little troll he is, and told us he was getting rid of 10 hour days and he would do his best to disband housing! He smirked and said have a good day. Well he did both the iad rat! Loves to micromanage and loves fuckin coppers. Yeah he would be GREAT for morale!
7/10/2007 06:01:00 AM
100% BULLSHIT!!!
God forbid it is Williams. Daley's old man picked an outsider as in O.W. Wilson.
7/10/2007 01:59:00 AM
Yeah, he brought in Wilson and was sorry he did everyday that stmble bum drunk was the Superintendent. It was the biggest mistake Daley ever made.
We have good people here why bring in some mercenary mope to initiate foreign ideas and policies.
It should be Daley himself. As mayor he is technically our Commander-In-Chief, like the President. I'm surprised he didn't try that angle already.
Who cares,,,Daley runs the police Dept..They are all sell outs..None of them was the police,and dont care about the real ones..Have a nice day and keep up the good work.
The superintendant isn't there for anyone's morale.
No matter who gets the job the new boss will be getting his ass kissed more than he ever did before.
Heard good things about Grau, but have never met the man. Outsider, highly doubtful. Williams is a real piece of work. I really hope this little TURD does not get it. Otherwise, we'll see the IAD in him & he will make this department a joke! He is DEFINITELY on a power trip that would only get worse if he does become anointed!
off topic- what happened at Rockwell and Windsor two nights ago?
GUESS W-H-O ?
You guys and gals can't figure it out yet !
ITS VERY SIMPLE !
ANSWER ; WILLIAMS
WHY ; He'll do what ever it takes to please the " MAYOR " !
He has no loyalty to the troops !
NOW WE KNOW WHO # 1 IS GOING TO BE ! THE QUESTION IS WHO'S GOING TO REALLY RUN THE CPD ?
ANYBODY WANNA BET IT AIN'T " DANA "
From the NYPD:
Belfiore is not a bad guy has little police experience. Surprising? Not in the NYPD. Belfiore did start as a cop and did about 3 years of patrol. He was a sergeant in Internal Affairs, a Lt. in chage of the gyn ( I kid yoiu not), as a captain he returned to IA, as an Inspector he was CO of the Academy. He did a bried stint in charge of a cushy precint and returned it IA and HQ.
He was not part of the revolution in the NYPD. In Westchester, he serves as more of a coordinator than a commander.
If you want an NYPD guy, he would not be my choice.
I don't care who it is either....Just put working PDT's in every fucking car!!
With a due respect, what did grau ever do to deserve the spot? "He's a great guy!" SO WHAT! Other than hold several key spots on CPD's payroll, someone please enlighten us to what he has ever directly done.
OFF TOPIC....But an excellent read.
Churns up old news but should be read by all.
"The Racial Politics of Policing in Chicago"
http://www.chicagoamren.com/chicagopolice.htm
7/10/2007 01:38:00 AM wrote
"Exactly who is this Grau fellow?"
FYI. Grau and Williams both made Sergeant on 01 December 1988 in a class of 270. Some other notables in that class were John Thomas, Bill Kirchner, and Cynthia White, although Bill is a decent man and it hurts me to put his name aside the others. Grau immediately went to the FBI Task Force. Enough said. Williams immediately returned to his IAD roots and went to IAD Confidential and Corrupt. Again, enough said.
I believe, both Grau and Williams got their exempt start from Terry G. (Goof) Hillard, but as soon as he exited, both firmly attached their lips to Phat Phil's ass and the rest is history. Also, Grau and Cline are the best of friends. Williams never attained that stature with Phat Phil.
I've been around for a long time and seen a lot. Neither Grau or Williams is any good. I am hoping for the outsider. But if it has to be one out of Grau or Williams, take Grau. At least he is smart enough to know how to screw you, or not screw you. Williams, even with all his IAD experience, doesn't know how to screw you, but he can and will screw you up by being stupid. May we all be lucky enough to survive this chapter of CPD Antics.
I know our department leads the state of IL. the country, the world,and da Universe in cutting edge technology, but, could the New Supt. pulllleeeezzee
look into us in the field getting not only the new PDT's but ones that work?
Off topic....
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Cathy Rendon has risen to her highest level of incompetence. Hopefully, she will go no higher. Did she ever get her degree? Poor dumb child, and jealous as all get out of other women with educations. She didn't have a degree (wasn't required at the time) when she made Lieutenant. She's another one who had her lips firmly attached to the ass (?) of a boss. Cannot remember his name. Fancied himself as a lady's man. Gray hair and moustach. Commander in the Medical Section for a time. What was his name? After him, her lips affixed fimly to the ass of Bradford ('Nother Goof) Woods. Sad.
If you think Grau is going to get the top spot, you're high! William is both black and a by-the-book cop fuckin' IAD suckhole. Two things the Mayor is looking for in a new Superintendent.
If anyone thought Rice, Martin, Rodriguez, Hillard or Cline was bad, just wait until you see what Charles Williams does once he takes over.
God help us all!
love how the media article stated Williams has public housing experience, that asshole, on his first day as commander of public housing, came in our roll call, like the little troll he is, and told us he was getting rid of 10 hour days and he would do his best to disband housing! He smirked and said have a good day. Well he did both the iad rat! Loves to micromanage and loves fuckin coppers. Yeah he would be GREAT for morale!
7/10/2007 06:01:00 AM
When Houisng was operational, all i heard was what a waste of manpower it was from all the District whiners. So Williams sent over 300 people BACK to the Districts to relieve manpower shortages created by other clout units, and yet you still whine. Perhaps he should have blown you too?
If that asshole Williams gets the job I am going to make it my job to embarass this Department publicly (then quit the next day) so he gets kicked out faster than Cline...
Why would Charlie Williams’ Internal Affairs background be considered a plus? He has spent a good deal of his career in IAD. During that time, he was part of the endemic practice of covering up the misconduct connected members.
See the NYPD RANT thread entitled "Belfiore for CPD Superintendent".
Positive reviews despite the fact he left the NYPD in 2001.
herman munster for supt>
Anonymous said...
Hiram Grau has many things going for him. First of all, the "skeletons in the closet" seem to be non-existent. He is quiet, professional and low-key. If you pay attention, you'll observe that he never sticks around after DOC meetings to shoot the crap with his fellow exempts. He seems to distance himself from the rumor mill.
You'll never see Grau b.s.'ing for too long with any one person or group of people at a social gathering. He seems to be keenly aware of who is full of hot air, and keeps his distance. I admire him for not wanting to be painted with the same brush as many of his exempt counterparts. This man is not impressed with himself or his rank. However, he does have one thing working against him...his Hispanic heritage.
At this point, we currently have an Hispanic Fire Commissioner and an Hispanic in charge of OEC. How do you think the Black contingent will take it if our new Superintendent is Hispanic, too?
Rumor has it that the Mayor can't stand Charlie Williams. We'll have to see if this plays out. Of all the choices, his appointment as Superintendent would do more to deflate morale than any other.
Unfortunately, Charlie has never learned the finesse of being a boss. He rules with fear and an iron first. Unlike Grau, Charlie's attitude is "Pattonesque"..."by God, you'll do what I tell you to do or I'll grind you into the dirt like a bug". He's got an evil streak in him...as is evidenced by the famous smirk and the dumps across the City.
So, the way it's panning out, the appointment of our new Superintendent will again be a racial decision. Will the Mayor be able to hold off Jesse (and his political powerhouse of a family) and appoint the best man for the job? Or will he give in and do what looks better?
Thoughts?
7/10/2007 10:56:00 AM
TRANSLATION: With Grau I'll have clout-With Williams I won't!
7/10/2007 03:04:00 PM
OFF TOPIC....But an excellent read.
Churns up old news but should be read by all.
"The Racial Politics of Policing in Chicago"
http://www.chicagoamren.com/
chicagopolice
cut off in other post
For those of you that dont realize it, Grau is a great guy who would never hurt a policeman. Lets hope he gets the spot.
Actually Grau did a pretty decent job as the commander of 014. We could sure as hell do worse than him...
yo! the VIDEO is here!
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=3735415&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
What is going to happen to all the dead weight in the first deputy's office? DS still has PO's (useless) as timekeepers and 2 of them at that. why does that do nothing office need all those officers, God forbid if they get sent to districts, where they should be, but have never been. And the District Manager who DS saved from getting fired is sitting there collecting more money than a PO. Hopefully the new 1st will clean all that up.
A lot of people lost wagers in districts across the city on Monday. Everyone was saying it was going to be Maria Maher. The smart money was always , and still is, on Charlie Williams.
It was my idea. I wanted Amy Jacobson to get Craig Stebic to tell her where he buried Lisa.
What we need is a new Sup who is still a cop. Williams will stick it up anyones rear end he can. Grau is a gentleman. If you screw up he will hammer you, but if you are doing your job he will back you up. Heaven help us if williams gets it. you think morale is low now. every copper will just dig a hole, climb in it and cover themselves with the dirt.
I agree. Every car should have a pdt that works.
That was the much anticipated video?! That didn't show anything, if that is what they used to decide to strip/charge these guys we really have to wonder!!
Concerning the Amy Jacobsen incident:
its good to know we have an unbiased entity that reports the news in our democracy! (Yea right!)
To 3:32
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100 to 1 odds says, none of the above!!!!!!
My two cents.
Remember, Daley is trying
for the Olympics.
Going with the out of towner makes him look like an open minded, best person for the job, kind of guy.
He wants to dispel the
provincial leader image.
The real question is, who will be the 1st deputy?
Why would Charlie Williams’ Internal Affairs background be considered a plus? He has spent a good deal of his career in IAD. During that time, he was part of the endemic practice of covering up the misconduct connected members.
7/10/2007 05:32:00 PM
Good point! The Feds are still scratching their heads as to how the connected ones kept getting away. Look at the Pacman investigation, all the original targets were given a heads up and gave up their stealing ways. The Feds ended up getting all the young guys who had no juice. Interesting…very interesting.
Off topic:
How come we had to see the Abbate video 928 times but when it comes to seeing the video of Amy Jacobson in a hot swim suit trying to get a confession from a suspected homicide offender the news won't show it?
"I'm a retired copper pretty much out of the loop except for SCC.'
Just check the mailbox for the pension check that's should be your only concern. Guess what,a week after you left this department you were referred to as "Officer Who?"
Everyone better hope Grau gets it because if that Rat williams gets it we're all screwed!
"Why would Charlie Williams’ Internal Affairs background be considered a plus? He has spent a good deal of his career in IAD. During that time, he was part of the endemic practice of covering up the misconduct connected members.
7/10/2007 05:32:00 PM "
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THE MOST INTELLIGENT POST I'VE READ IN A LONG TIME.
ALL YOU DUMMY MORONS W/ LESS THAN 5 YEARS ON, READ THAT POST 30 TIMES OVER. MAYBE IT WILL SINK INTO YOUR HAIR GELLED PEA BRAINS!!
In 1983 I got an honorable Mention for a gun pinch. The other name on it was Grau I sure hope he gets the job
You hit it right in the nose. Dickhead Daley won't hire from outside the dept.
Grau or Williams. Whomever makes it needs to stop with all this madness of wolfpacking, directed missions for all the tact and gang teams and bring this dept back on it's feet and start letting cops be cops. While we're at it, fight for better pay and more police on the streets. Get with the times already. Crime is always rising, love for the police , there aint, and terrorism and violence every so growing. The next boss also has to remember where they came from...
But as all the others once Daley digs his puppy strings in, it's a lost cause.
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I agree. Every car should have a pdt that works.
Every car also should have police that work.
Where is 815, 3rd watch? 12 years of service, 10 movers, 2 arrests. SEE NOTHING, DO NOTHING, THE PHANTOMS!
(OT) ARE WE RAEDY SCC THIS INFO DESERVES ITS THREAD http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/07/al-qaeda-cell-i.html
No matter who gets the big job watch for the First Deputy's office to again emerge as the power office.
The fool, Starks, will be given some sop by Daley and go on his way.
Grau is a decent guy.
PLEASE STOP THE GUESSING-- ITS WILLIAMS. Bet your house on it!!!!!!
MAN O MAN AMY JACOBSON IN A 2 PIECE. VERY CLASSY RACK.
HEY AMY DO I HAVE TO KILL MY WIFE FOR YOU YO COME BY WITH YOUR 2 KIDS AND SKINNY DIP...
SHE IS OFFICIALLY SHIT CANNED!!!
"Every car also should have police that work.
Where is 815, 3rd watch? 12 years of service, 10 movers, 2 arrests. SEE NOTHING, DO NOTHING, THE PHANTOMS!"
Thanx a lot... I just blew my drink out my nose and all over my keyboard!
"The Phantoms"... I love it! :-D
Anonymous said...
"I'm a retired copper pretty much out of the loop except for SCC.'
Just check the mailbox for the pension check that's should be your only concern. Guess what,a week after you left this department you were referred to as "Officer Who?"
7/10/2007 10:14:00 PM
Fresh off the fingers of an apparent 2 year wonder. Did you learn what respect was in college? Apparently not. I see you didn't learn grammar either.
Every car also should have police that work.
Where is 815, 3rd watch? 12 years of service, 10 movers, 2 arrests. SEE NOTHING, DO NOTHING, THE PHANTOMS!
they are busy stealing from pollocks
Anonymous said...
I agree. Every car should have a pdt that works.
Every car also should have police that work.
Where is 815, 3rd watch? 12 years of service, 10 movers, 2 arrests. SEE NOTHING, DO NOTHING, THE PHANTOMS!
7/10/2007 11:23:00 PM
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holy mackrel
TRICKY SHOULD TAKE THE SPOT! HA HA!!!
Anonymous said...
025 district copper said...
I love how the media article stated Williams has public housing experience, that asshole, on his first day as commander of public housing, came in our roll call, like the little troll he is, and told us he was getting rid of 10 hour days and he would do his best to disband housing! He smirked and said have a good day. Well he did both the iad rat! Loves to micromanage and loves fuckin coppers. Yeah he would be GREAT for morale!
7/10/2007 06:01:00 AM
100% BULLSHIT!!!
Not bullshit. CW wasn't even in housing anymore and he came to our roll calls to tell us how he was working on disbanding us. That worked out great. No one's getting shot in the Greens now that we've been replaced by do nothings who collect a check. By the way, he wasn't the one pushing for the special for housing. That was Terry Peterson of CHA. When he went to the mayor reelection campaign, housing was split up before his replacement came in.
Who ever says he hates dogs, is half right. He hates black dogs, they embarass him. He was always cordial with the white coppers, but he fucked them over in a minute. How about calling the other driver in a traffic crash and taking his word on the events over the 2cops in the struck vehicle and the 2 cops in the paper car who he got cr's on for a "false police report". Dumped the approving Sgt. too. All white and Hispanic.
Unfortunately, Charlie has never learned the finesse of being a boss. He rules with fear and an iron first. Unlike Grau, Charlie's attitude is "Pattonesque"..."by God, you'll do what I tell you to do or I'll grind you into the dirt like a bug". He's got an evil streak in him...as is evidenced by the famous smirk and the dumps across the City.
You are nuts, that man is nothing like that, quit all the bs already will ya....
dana starks made sgt in that 1988 class with williams and grau as well.
COMMANDER SODINI 012 DIST
FOR SUPT- IF NOT THAT THEN TAKE HIM IN TRADE
WE'LL TRADE HIM FOR
( PUERTO-RICAN ) OR
( AFRICAN-AMERICAN )OR
( ANY OF THE CAPTS IN 012 DIST )
BUT **** NO GREEKS ****
WE HEARD HOW F-UPED 018 IS AND THE GOOF-BALL AT ( TRU ) IS ONE GYRO SHORT OF A CRAZY !!!
WILLIAMS, NOT EVEN A COLLEGE GRADUATE!
HAVE TO HAVE A DEGREE TO BE A SGT! I SAY GRAU!
Guys complain about morale? I still have not recovered from us not going in and getting Airheart!
---OPS SPEAKS---
Charles Williams had a sustained CR for domestic violence in the early 90's and served a suspension. We could not understand why Risley allowed him to stay in IAD after that!
Hiram Grau was named in a CR for an incident that occurred in a nightclub in Schaumberg in 1997. He and several other police officers were working security at the business and a shooting incident took place, which resulted in an individual becoming a paraplegic. The incident occurred after a gang disturbance but Grau and Company failed to prevent same.
Hiram Grau and the other P.O.'s placed the failure to act on his sister, Carmen Grau, who was a P.O. on disability. They were aware that any penalty recommended in her direction would not be served as she had no intention of returning to work. Hiram was afraid that the FBI would request that he be returned to normal duty at the CPD.
This investigation is still available for review because if Carmen Grau ever returned from disability she would have to serve the recomended penalty.
Put your money on Williams as the Supt. and Keating as First Deputy. Though I am not a Cline fan in 6 months we will be wishing he was back.
Charlie Williams often talks about how he got his ass beat by cops on the West Side. He has been playing payback ever since and has ruined the morale everywhere he goes.
How come the boss's are all assholes?
TO: Anonymous said...
---OPS SPEAKS---
Charles Williams had a sustained CR for domestic violence in the early 90's and served a suspension. We could not understand why Risley allowed him to stay in IAD after that!
Hiram Grau was named in a CR for an incident that occurred in a nightclub in Schaumberg in 1997. He and several other police officers were working security at the business and a shooting incident took place, which resulted in an individual becoming a paraplegic. The incident occurred after a gang disturbance but Grau and Company failed to prevent same.
Hiram Grau and the other P.O.'s placed the failure to act on his sister, Carmen Grau, who was a P.O. on disability. They were aware that any penalty recommended in her direction would not be served as she had no intention of returning to work. Hiram was afraid that the FBI would request that he be returned to normal duty at the CPD.
This investigation is still available for review because if Carmen Grau ever returned from disability she would have to serve the recomended penalty.
7/11/2007 07:00:00 AM
Check the computer, she has come disability and is assigned....Was a re-tread couple of months ago...
What are you all talking about.... it's going to be Grau, he is puerto rican which makes him black and hispanic, he can please both races
Hillard(black),Phat Phil(white),Grau(brown)...yep its time for a hispanic.
Anonymous said...
I agree. Every car should have a pdt that works.
Every car also should have police that work.
Where is 815, 3rd watch? 12 years of service, 10 movers, 2 arrests. SEE NOTHING, DO NOTHING, THE PHANTOMS!
7/10/2007 11:23:00 PM
Gee what more do you want? That is more work than I do what do you do in your district? Or are you in an "elite unit"?
If Williams gets the nod-- all the units that fall under tact (robbrty, gun, public violence etc..) will be disbanned or shrunk considerably. Time to put those jeans away guys and gals-- your blue shirts are making a comeback VERY soon. Hiram doesnt have a chance!
Is Grau a Hispanic name? It sounds German to me. Is he like Orosczo and is Hispanic in name only?
I SAY GRAU.... AND THE ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WANT WANT TO BE MADE UNDER WILLIAMS HAVE NO CHANCE!!!!
MIGHT BE MR. NEW YORK. Schakman decree in effect. It would look better to hire an outsider for Daley. HIring patronage would not be a factor. This guy has more experience than Williams or Grau. And nobody will get made if Mr. Belfoire is the next Super. If this happens watch all the retirements come about.
To 7:11 AM. Carmen Grau is back at work. She is currently at Airport Law Enforcement North!
7/11/2007 02:49:00 AM stated,
"dana starks made sgt in that 1988 class with williams and grau as well."
I believe you are wrong. Starks did not make it until the next class, which was 1991, but I could be misinformed.
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7/10/2007 11:13:00 PM
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If Williams gets the nod-- all the units that fall under tact (robbrty, gun, public violence etc..) will be disbanned or shrunk considerably. Time to put those jeans away guys and gals-- your blue shirts are making a comeback VERY soon. Hiram doesnt have a chance!
7/11/2007 10:48:00 AM
Once again in English...please
Hiram Grau is Middle Eastern/Palastine
Williams is a hater of all police. Maybe he got motherfucked a couple of times when he was a young lad. Sorry Charlie, but so close. Oh and you can put the heading on your retirement papers. Even when Grau makes the spot, he will still have to answer to Daley and Keating. The city that works, I love it...
7/11/2007 10:48:00 AM
Once again in English...please
7/11/2007 06:30:00 PM
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No word from Russ Valleyfield.
The Executive Director of OEC is no longer hispanic. That guy fell out of favor with Daley, so he interviewed for, and got the job as the head of Illinois' emergency response unit, whatever the name of that department is. That was in May. I don't think Daley has repalced him yet.
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. . . This investigation is still available for review because if Carmen Grau ever returned from disability she would have to serve the recomended penalty.
7/11/2007 07:00:00 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Carmen Grau returned to work a couple of months ago. She is currently assigned to 050.
Do you think she returned after 15 yrs. because she missed it?
I think maybe it has something to do with her brother!!!!
Now when does the suspension begin?
If it's Williams or Grau it don't matter much to the coppers. The current crop of exempts are the ones who are losing sleep over this decision. Unit commanders beware you are about to be dumped.
SORRY
The Executive Director of OEC is no longer hispanic. That guy fell out of favor with Daley, so he interviewed for, and got the job as the head of Illinois' emergency response unit, whatever the name of that department is. That was in May. I don't think Daley has repalced him yet.
7/11/2007 11:21:00 PM
yes, he has, with another hispanic
Good point! The Feds are still scratching their heads as to how the connected ones kept getting away. Look at the Pacman investigation, all the original targets were given a heads up and gave up their stealing ways. The Feds ended up getting all the young guys who had no juice. Interesting…very interesting.
7/10/2007 10:04:00 PM
Do you mean TC and Crater???
7/11/2007 11:21:00 PM wrote,
"The Executive Director of OEC is no longer hispanic. That guy fell out of favor with Daley, so he interviewed for, and got the job as the head of Illinois' emergency response unit, whatever the name of that department is. That was in May. I don't think Daley has repalced him yet."
1) "The Executive Director of OEC is no longer hispanic."
Where in the hell have you been? Vegas? Asleep? You are a dope. The new guy at OEMC is Hispanic, too, as was the man he replaced. I will not tell you the name of the new guy. You'll have to get out of bed and look it up yourself.
2) "That guy fell out of favor with Daley,"
You are even a bigger dope. The previous Executive Director did not fall out of grace with Daley. Daley loved Velasquez and wanted him to stay. It was goofy Huberman that tried to turn Daley regarding Velasquez. It didn't work because Daley was on to Huberman, hence Huberman's exit, however, Velasquez was simultaneously being courted and eventually "stolen" by the Governor of our state, as other rising stars on Daley's team have been courted and "stolen" by the state.
3) "so he interviewed for, and got the job as the head of Illinois' emergency response unit, whatever the name of that department is."
It is known as IEMA, the Illinois Emergency Management Agency. More pay, more headaches, more responisbility, more notiriety. Velasquez is a rising star. Bet.
4) "That was in May."
It was in March, not May. Where the hell have you been?
5) "I don't think Daley has repalced him yet."
See #1 and #4.
6) I ask again. Where in the hell have you been?
yea the oemc job is open and from what ive heard most likely for dana starks...and is death an option in the choices for supt
Anonymous said...
In 1983 I got an honorable Mention for a gun pinch. The other name on it was Grau I sure hope he gets the job
7/10/2007 10:44:00 PM
Is that the last time he did any police work?
all the units that fall under tact (robbrty, gun, public violence etc..) will be disbanned
7/11/2007 10:48:00 AM
Once again in English...please
7/11/2007 06:30:00 PM
You are a complete moron.
7/11/2007 09:36:00 PM
If you understood that then you're straight from 5th & Pulaski
Harold Bone for Superintendent!!!
GRAU will just be another bureacrat, he's a bureacrat now, if everyone thinks things will change you are seriously mistaken, it will continue to be business as usual i.e. the insiders will get the spots as well as the "merit" promotions, the do nothings will continue to be rewarded, the No Nothings will continue to rise up the ladder on our tax dollar, the everyone of you will bitch about how non existant morale is and how undermaned we are and how our equipment continues to be is disrepair. I truly wish things were different! GRAU is just excrement repackaged.
here it is and take this to the bank .... Charlie Williams is going to be the Supt. because he is black and all the other top city positions are filled by hispanics..... Hiram Grau will be the next First Deputy that appeases the hispanic power base ever further.... Keating will be the next Bureau of Patrol Deputy Superintendent ...he will be Daley's eyes and ears in the building and will have input because verything involves patrol.
The key is that Williams will step on himself .. and when that happens he gets dumped and Grau moves to the Supt spot and Keating is the First Deputy.
Hopefully,
Whoever the next Superintendent must step up to the plate and withstand media pressure, unlike Phat Phil who withers and throws everyone under the bus as an appeasement.
Defending Officer Mike Mette must be done along with rectifying all the other wronged officers over the last few years.
WHAT???Mattie Tobias is OUT OF THE RUNNING? We need another Supe who has teflon like abilities (until the heat gets too hot for Daley).
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