Jefferson Tap
A number of readers have commented about the Jefferson Tap story and video and a few others have e-mailed us, including a FoxNews producer. Here's the video link.
In our humble opinions here, the report and the released portions of the video would appear to back most of the officers' story. The Fox report states and the video shows that it is unclear if the officer leaving and one of the plaintiffs had contact or words. The video has no sound, so the allegations of verbal sparring back and forth becomes a "he-said he-said" contention with zero legal standing. Same with the "brawl." The most allegedly damning part of the whole encounter takes place in the vestibule where there are no cameras and the Sergeant "waving off" cars has been described as a "slow down - no one get hurt" response by the Sergeant's lawyer.
At any other time in any other place, this is a mutual combatant incident with no charges filed.
In any other state with an actually legitimate legal process and competent states attorneys, this is misdemeanor battery at the most with plenty of reasonable doubt.
The video obviously shows a distraught officer drinking at a bar. And as someone told us, if you make fun of someone crying at a bar in Chicago, it's practically an invitation to have your ass beaten. By all the evidence seen so far, even that didn't happened.
In our humble opinions here, the report and the released portions of the video would appear to back most of the officers' story. The Fox report states and the video shows that it is unclear if the officer leaving and one of the plaintiffs had contact or words. The video has no sound, so the allegations of verbal sparring back and forth becomes a "he-said he-said" contention with zero legal standing. Same with the "brawl." The most allegedly damning part of the whole encounter takes place in the vestibule where there are no cameras and the Sergeant "waving off" cars has been described as a "slow down - no one get hurt" response by the Sergeant's lawyer.
At any other time in any other place, this is a mutual combatant incident with no charges filed.
In any other state with an actually legitimate legal process and competent states attorneys, this is misdemeanor battery at the most with plenty of reasonable doubt.
The video obviously shows a distraught officer drinking at a bar. And as someone told us, if you make fun of someone crying at a bar in Chicago, it's practically an invitation to have your ass beaten. By all the evidence seen so far, even that didn't happened.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 7:30 AM
97 Comments:
Yea, I saw some liberal jagoff media whore on ch. 11(ponce's hour) a few months ago. He was one of a group who was allowed to see the video. He stated how it showed how the POs clearly beat these yuppies. BULLSHIT!!
Can I see the AMY video again?
In other words, stay out of taverns if you can't hold your liquor.
What a bunch of babbies these business men are. Not men one bit. You win some and you lose some, thats life. I bet their girlfriends/wives are getting banged by other dudes while their out loosing fights. Maybe they can buy some new dresses if they win civily
What pisses me off the most about this video is the reporter's narration when Powers' friend took his weapon..."this view clearly shows another officer taking Powers' "service revolver". It is unclear whether the officer viewed him as a threat, or if he anticipated trouble leaving the bar".
Ok, asshole. You just got done showing and telling the world that this kid was distraught over the death of his father. Everyone can see he's upset. But the media proclaims him a "threat". He was a threat to no one but himself that night, and his fellow police officers recognized it.
Kudos to them. As the old saying goes, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6." Powers may be in some trouble now, but the important thing is that he's STILL HERE. Who knows what tragedy could have occured if that copper had not had the foresight to take away his gun.
Good luck to all of them.
True! The tape really shows nothing! Just possibly a typical bar room brawl! But since we are CPD we make for good news stories! At least on todays times the cover has amy jacobsen she was fired at channel 5 for being caught on tape a little reminder news stations and reporters are whores and even turn on their own! Wonder how much the "neighbor" was paid to allow channel 2 to set up cameras in their yard? The media will do anything to destroy a reputation even one of their own assholes that they are! BYE AMY GOOD LUCK STREETWISE IS LOOKING FOR CARRIERS!
Much ado about nothing. As usual.
The key phrase you stated here SCC and one that needs to be repeated is, "In any other state with an actually legitimate legal process and COMPETENT states attorneys, this is misdemeanor battery at the most with PLENTY of reasonable doubt."
Just another story for the media whores to get ratings. It's a typical bar fight, no big deal. And you can bet that one of those big-mouth yuppie stupid f*cks started the whole mess. The beginning of the video shows the officers together in a corner obviously upset, but not engaging anyone else in the bar which leads me to believe that a person or persons not involved with the officers precipitated the altercation by his own actions. Now poor yuppie dumb-ass wants to sue everyone and everything because his ass couldn't cash the checks his big mouth was writing! He deserved getting a boot in his face. Grow up and take your medicine like a man instead of running to lawyers to clean up your mess!!
These "attorneys" did more to damage the relations between cops and attorneys since greylord. This is such an obvious money grabbing swipe at the city and doesn't have a single thing to do with Powers & Co. I will personally spend the rest of my life referring people and companies to anyone not involved with these goofs. They forgot that police officers have family members in high places too.
Off topic here. A prisoner escaped from a traffic unit p.o. in 020 last night. As a result of good cooperation among various units and districts the prisoner was eventually taken into custody again. Just want to commend all the p.o.s and sergeants who worked on it. most everyone performed solidly.
SCC, your point of view concerning this incident is surprising...
...NOT.
;)
As far as I'm concerned, anybody and everybody that has to be asked to leave a bar at 3:30am should have their ass beat. If the lights go up and you're still in there, you're getting your ass beat, period.
Go home, get some sleep. Read a book, watch a movie. Don't want to go home, need to meet friends? Go to Golden Nugget.
There is no excuse for last-call stragglers other than: WASTED.
I'm sure all these guys were going to catch cabs or have designated drivers, LOL.
They should turn on the ass-kicking machine at the door at 3:30 as all the pathetic drunks are booted out on the sidewalk.
Todays officer has more of a bulleye on his ass more than ever before.
So endeth the lesson.
To everyone on this blog:
The "stuttering prick" is in Brazil; lets party and trash this city!
YOU KNOW CONVICTING A COP IS LIKE A GIANT MERIT BADGE FOR ASA'S.
IF THE ONLY WENT AFTER THE BANGERS LIKE THIS I BELIEVE CRIME WOULD GO DOWN.
WHEN THE STATE CHARGE AN OFFICER THE ACTUALLY PICK UP THE LAW BOOKS AND COMB THRU THEM FOR EVERY CHARGE POSSIBLE. ONCE THE STATE HAS A STACK OF CHARGES THEY OFFER A PLEA WITH SOME JAIL TIME AND MAKE THEY OFFICER RESIGN FROM THE DEPARTMENT.
REMEBER THEY DONT WANT TO PUT THE VICTIM ON THE STAND BECAUSE THEIR STORIES USAULLY CHANGE SPECIALLY WHEN A FUTURE CIVIL SUIT LOOMS.
THE TRICK IS TO HAVE THE OFFICERS BURN UP ALL THEIR EQUITY IN THEIR HOMES AND BREAK THERE BANK ACCOUNTS.
WHATS UP WITH THAT COPPER IN 012 WHO DIDNT RIGHT A REPORT.
the sgt telling the officers to slow down, pretty much makes it sounds as if hes blaming the responding officers, amazing! what a spineless prick
HAY S-C-C
Were's the ( rick ) nature boy picture ?
Nice that he got a big award for all the work the gun team did.
I guess second prize is a ( TRUE BILL ) .
THANKS LEO
a real stand up BOSS
GOd please give us a win on this we must have some civil rights in as officers in the "REPUBLIC OF CHICAGO"
Biggest mistake they made was to not make an arrest and if they weren't gonna make an arrest they should have left. Just goes to show you that politics and anti - police pc mania trump precedent, law, and common sense always. Don't know the sgt. and po's but hear most are ok people. Would have no problem going to a benefit for any one of them.
If we are seeing the video in it's entirety this is a complete joke,looks like mutual combatants at best.P.O's getting railroaded here, had worse fights with my little sister in the day...(and lost most of them)
Did you see the same video I did?
Generally I agree with much of your take on things in the CPD. This time I don't.
I don't know completely what happened and I doubt the people directly involved know.
I do know near where the end of the tape where soon to be former Sergeant Planey pins the guy up against the wall outside by the neck.......uncalled for. Criminal even. How was the guy a threat then?
I know the responses that some will post here. "F them yuppies. They deserved it. We need our own bars without any F civilians. It was mutual combat. F the States Attorney we are being treated differently. F "Fat Phil"."
Just because we managed to graduate from a police academy, not all that difficult, does not mean we get to flout every damn law we choose. You don't have the right to pummel anyone who offends you. You are challenged and sometimes that means walking away.
Taking Power's gun away. That can be interpreted two ways. It's just as likely his buddy thought Powers was too distraught to be safely carrying a weapon as it was preparation for the coming fight.
Sweeping the pool table of balls.....what the hell was that?
The off duty cops in that bar could have walked away. They didn't I don't know if they were really provoked. Perhaps it was an "imagined" provocation.
What isn't imagined is that they outnumbered the "yuppies". Were clearly larger and should have walked away.
They are an embarrassment to themselves. Whether they deserve what happens to them I can't say. Maybe they are good guys who had a bad night. I do know that they brought it on themselves.
The most important thing I learned from my oversized, alcoholic, drunken Irish cop dad was to not drink to excess. He used the job as an excuse for everything he did. He was never at fault for anything in his personal or professional life.
If a group of aldermen beat the hell out of a smaller group in a bar and it was caught on tape many of you would be screaming for blood.
These guys screwed up and they are going to pay a price. That is the way it goes. If you imagine that a camera is everywhere you go then maybe you will be more careful about what you do.
o.t.:
how much Sect 8 is going on in 016?
inside the bar , no problem , deny deny deny , make counter allegations . the other thing outside with the p.o. grabbing and pushing the "broker" up against the wall, well, there he's got no defense. that was just stupid.
*OFF THE SUBJECT* The Tact Lt. in 005 wants to shake things up with the gang/tact units under his control. It appears he's worried about "his numbers." Hey buddy, (Lt.) last time I checked we got the numbers for you, and what have you done for us? Continue to micro mgt. That's why we not getting the guns off the streets, arrest homocide offenders, agg. bats arrest, and real crimes that matter. Let's keep up the missions, and maybe the 005th dist. will lead the city in homocides for the 2nd year in a row. HOw about that MERIT BOY!(FORMER AIRPORT DESK JOCKEY) GET THIS LT. OUT OF 005.
I watched the video and I really didnt understand what the attorney representing Sgt Planey meant when he stated that Sgt. Planey did not waive off the on duty police and that he only told them to slow down and not rush into the bar. Was Sgt. Planey attorney attempting to put any/some blame for this onto the backs of the ON Duty responding officers.
The tape shows no crime.
Good for them fighting this horseshit case. The State's Attorney's don't have enough to get close to a conviction.
SCC,
You are so far off the mark it isn't even funny. It's more than apparent you know one if not all of the officers involved personally. You cherry pick what is seen in the video. What is shown;1) one of the officers sweeping the balls off the pool table. That's provocation.
2) The Sgt is seen escorting Powers back into the bar.Sgt exits and grabs one off the plaintiffs by the throat slamming him against the wall. AT NO TIME WAS THE SGT BEING PROVOKED.
3)If Powers was so distraught and had to be disarmed why would his supervisor allow him to return to the bar?
4)Are you as a Chicago Police Officer per GO allowed to consume Alcohol while armed& off -duty? Then plead mutal combatants when engaged in an altercation?
The tragedy is 3 POs from the 012th district were fired for doing their job meanwhile the officers who instigated this situation remain on the payroll.
Looks like a whole bunch of nothing and a WHOLE BUNCH of digging by prosecutors!
SCC, you must be involved somehow with the incident. You're really trying to get these guys off the hook...wait, there you are, I see you in the video. That's you hiding under the pool table with a teddybear sucking your thumb !
SCREW THE DAM YUPPIES, I PLAN TO DUI THEM ALL. MY PRAYERS ARE WITH THE COPPERS.
The worst part was the Sergeant going after the "businessman" who was trying to make a cell phone call outside. That part of the video is damning.
They say that Powers was 25 years old at the time of the incident. He could have only had three years on the job tops then.
The daddies on this job should think twice about getting cush assignments for their offspring. Are they really doing them any favors? This is a prime example of clout gone bad.
By the way, did any camera pick up on when RICK FLAIR arrived and when he left that night??????
Those taverns are just sh*t magnets. Why can't cops just find a bar that likes the police? Know why? Cause cops are the worst drunks out there. A tavern would have a hard time staying in business. Cops are cheap, lousy tippers. And they talk all that crap about their work.(mostly lies to impress broads)
Anonymous said...
Much ado about nothing. As usual.
7/11/2007 10:23:00 AM
+1 yup...
These guys are connected and the city along with some dummy pos are unable to see the truth. Truth be told if that was me I would be gone. wake up and smell the coffee. boys and girls.
Kudos to them. As the old saying goes, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6." Powers may be in some trouble now, but the important thing is that he's STILL HERE. Who knows what tragedy could have occured if that copper had not had the foresight to take away his gun.
Just what I need another dangerous Officer on this job. Powers is the pussy. I lost my parents and a child I can control myself when I'm carring a firearm, this is baby bull shit.
Much ado about nothing. As usual.
7/11/2007 10:23:00 AM
Tell that to the three ppo's that got fired from 1st dist who was only answering the call, yet the tough guys are in call back.
What goes around comes around. Remember the Harwood Heights Female Officer that arrested a PPO with only 9 days left on probation and he was fired. Well oh well she was caught burglarizing her ex-husband's house and is to be terminated as well.
"Cause cops are the worst drunks out there."
Dead wrong. My six years of full time bartending say firemen are far and away the worst drunks. "Did I tell you I'm a fireman? Wanna see my pubes? I bleached them blond for my hero brothers who died on 9/11." Followed by traders, brokers, etc.(arrogant assholes that all love blow). Then coppers. But third place ain't bad. We'll just have to just keep trying.
Well men, it seems as though the job we all loved and wanted so bad isn't what it seems to be after all. Everyone out in the public wants to either talk shit about us or hurt us in some way shape or form. I have been dragged threw the mudd by the city, states atty and the shitheads in recent months and hate to see fellow coppers being hurt over and over!!! I wish someone somewhere would stand up for us, it would really be nice. I hope all the guys involved in this incident and everything else going on come out ok. I have seen tons of fights and arguments from time to time in the city and nothing ever happens, but some fruitcake hears those guys were "police" and boom lets start a war. If it were John Smith from wherever the fuck it wouldn't matter!!! Hey, what the fuck, we are human too... Deal with it! Everyone out there stay safe and back eachother up!!!
The video doesn't show the entire story.
Anyhow... next time drink on the southside, where fights always occur on a regular basis. These stupid 'businessmen' deserved to have their asses beat. Arrogant pricks.
next time, please handle the situation like the 'old school' coppers. beat their asses and rip out the damn tapes. handle the business at hand (no pun intended).
- not a cop
Where is FOP?
*OFF THE SUBJECT* The Tact Lt. in 005 wants to shake things up with the gang/tact units under his control. It appears he's worried about "his numbers." Hey buddy, (Lt.) last time I checked we got the numbers for you, and what have you done for us? Continue to micro mgt. That's why we not getting the guns off the streets, arrest homocide offenders, agg. bats arrest, and real crimes that matter. Let's keep up the missions, and maybe the 005th dist. will lead the city in homocides for the 2nd year in a row. HOw about that MERIT BOY!(FORMER AIRPORT DESK JOCKEY) GET THIS LT. OUT OF 005.
You mean that POS W.I. Ask him about the time he picked up a whore who set him up for a robbery on the West Side. He shot the guy and went home. Called the next day and said he might have shot somebody. meritorious hack..
1:56, I don't know where you work, but the balls get swept on a pool table to eliminate them from being used as a weapon. The sticks should have been removed also. Handled a homicide where the victims skull was crushed by a poolball, during an argument over the game.
The tape shows no crime.
Good for them fighting this horseshit case. The State's Attorney's don't have enough to get close to a conviction.
7/11/2007 03:00:00 PM
you must be fuckin retarded. CPD SUCKS ANYMORE BECAUSE OF MORONS LIKE YOU.
When you silly assholes wake up and realize the Police Officers can not engage in mutual combat with another drunk in an license establishment. You can kudos; the cops all you want and dis the liberals to high hell.....bet your last dollar that the coppers are going to come off the losers. JOB FUTURE and a total package.
Anonymous said...
Those taverns are just sh*t magnets. Why can't cops just find a bar that likes the police? Know why? Cause cops are the worst drunks out there. A tavern would have a hard time staying in business. Cops are cheap, lousy tippers. And they talk all that crap about their work.(mostly lies to impress broads)
7/11/2007 04:46:00 PM
Dude, are you talking about the same CPD officers I am? I've been out with judges, lawyers and cops and have NEVER been stiffed by the cops! But judges, lawyers--those jag offs wouldn't know HOW to pay for a drink. And there are NO BETTER tippers than PO's. So I don't know who you're hangin' out with, Cook County sheriffs maybe? But it ain't CPD.
What does that video show? A lot of pushing and shoving, nothing else. Some of you pussy cops are always ragging on each other. IF you don't drink good for you, but keep your fucking mouth shut about P.O.'s who do!!
to 1:56pm MAYBE YOU NEED PROFESSIONAL HELP YOU FUCKING PUSSY, YOUR DAD SHOULD HAVE PULLED OUT.
Good for that piece of shit Harwood Heights Bitch.
Now she knows how it feels to be fucked with.
:56, I don't know where you work, but the balls get swept on a pool table to eliminate them from being used as a weapon. The sticks should have been removed also. Handled a homicide where the victims skull was crushed by a poolball, during an argument over the game.
7/11/2007 07:48:00 PM
So you're proving the point that the police knew there was going to be a fight, and instead of walking away, they took it even further.
Rule 1: go to Tavern-Leave Gun Home, locked up.
Rule #2: If any trouble breaks out, call the on-duty police,if possible, or at least try to, or tell the bartender/doorman/security/waitress to call.Let the on-duty police then handle it. Sign complaints if necessary. Remember always; You have 2.5 strikes against you, just for being an off-duty Cop, and being in the joint in the first place. Remember, especially in Chicago, We Do NOT have the same rights as the routine rowdy bar-room drunk, the bar-room drunk has way more rights than us, and civilians can sue us and the City and get WAY, WAY more money from us and the City than from the rowdy bar-room drunk. The over-zealous prosecutors can score way more brownie-points for charging one of us than they can for charging the bar-room nobody drunk. The politicians can score more political points for hanging us out to dry than by hanging the nobody rowdy bar-room drunk. Be safe, be cautious, be prepared, be fore-warned.....
Is it true that Daley is in Brazil, getting his head compared to a coconut, to see which one is denser?
Hey this is the anonymous from 1:56.
Sweeping the balls off the table to avoid them being used as weapons is a good point. I remember there was a guy killed in Canaryville by one of his neighbors who was carrying a sock full of billiard balls. Only in Cararyville!
As my brother said "Hey, it's Canaryville. Whaddya expect?"
Only problem is that if you accept that theory, and it MIGHT be true, is that it shows the cops had intent to start the fight. It doesn't help their case.
As for those of you talking about "mutual combat" and "f the yuppies" thanks for proving my point.
It would have been nice if one of the cops there was sane or sober enough to stop his buddies from this stupidity.
As for the commenter who said firemen, traders and brokers are worse drunks than cops I tend to agree. Gives us something to shoot for. Oh shit. I know the traders do like their coke. Not the diet kind I'm forced to intake to keep just under obese.
Oh well. Maybe one of the aldermen will be charged with a crime and that will take the focus off CPD for awhile. Hopefully something involving drugs, underage girls, videotape, cash, illegal aliens, Paris Hilton, and a wannabee terrorist.
I was just wondering, why didn't the lawyers for the cops, or the city ask for a GAG ORDER on this video? Or for that matter the Abbate video.
They would seem to have an influence on potential jurors.
sick of fucking coppers bringing their pistol to bars. you feel that unsafe? don't go out. stay home and invite your friends over to drink.
what were these coppers provoked by? GHOST?
get the fuck out of here.
i'll back any other copper any day, if you're not a fucking moron.
whatever they got coming, it appears they deserve.
Anyone else see the pics of Sgt Stacey Smith in today's Tribune? Tramp stamp showing, dancing on a pole in a tank top, soon to be a Boss near you!
"They should turn on the ass-kicking machine at the door at 3:30 as all the pathetic drunks are booted out on the sidewalk."
That includes any & all POS who are in the Bar @ that time right assmunch? You aren't implying you get preferential treatment because you're shitfaced& happen to have a badge does it tuffguy?
If so let me know what ginmill you frequent.
I do know one of the involved!
I worked at the Board Of Trade for 10 years before becoming the police. Stop calling theses guys yuppies or businessmen. The businessmen label is a touch added by their attorneys to soften their image. The atmosphere at the Board is that of a "blue collar" mentality while dressed in polo shirts. I have known many (not all) that were heavy drinkers and snorters, big gamblers and arrogant as hell.
You guys are making assumptions based on bits and pieces of video....shame on you.
The King video (partial) showed a group of coppers beating an innocent "motorist". Remember King was described as a "motorist" not as the criminal he was.
Again I do know one of the involved(so I am biased) and for those of you passing judgement on partial information ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
"1:56, I don't know where you work, but the balls get swept on a pool table to eliminate them from being used as a weapon. The sticks should have been removed also. Handled a homicide where the victims skull was crushed by a poolball, during an argument over the game.
7/11/2007 07:48:00 PM "
I've worked everywhere, places you'll never venture pantywiast. But you just verified my point The cop sweeps the balls in anticipation of starting some shit. Thank you very much Your fellow bros' in blue were the instigators.They wanted to defend the honor of an unstable PO, whos oldman like it or not was a stone JO. Talk about kizmet.
Gentlemen we have a weapon to combat the dreaded yuppie. DUI and parking tickets. Yuppies luv to drink. start writing tickets outside these places where yuppies hangout and write tickets. Who knows some of the traffic offenders could be lawerys, ASA's and even news persons. Good luck and good hunting.
Off topic: Did you see where Mike Madigan introduced a bill where now a 2/3 majority vote in the house and senate will be needed before enacting any new pension laws. Geez, I remeber when Lisa Madigan was running for Attorney General and the FOP endorsed her over the pro police, career prosecutor from DuPage County, Joe Brickett. Mark Donohue came to our roll call and told us they endorsed her over Brickett because Speaker Madigan had given them "his word" that he would get the 80% pension passed if the FOP endorsed his unqualified daughter, who had never been a prosecutor, for the state's job of top prosecutor. That was what, six years ago. Nice work Mark.
Bottom line:
As police officers we should hold ourselves to a higher standard.
Department rules should not dictate our behavior but instead our professional code of conduct.
There is no reason why police officers should engage in behavior such as bar fighting.
If you think this is normal behavior then you should reconsider your employment with the Chicago Police Department.
Hey this is anonymous 1:56 pm. Thanks 8:51 pm. Maybe I'll take your advice and seek professional help or maybe I will just go to a bar, get stinking drunk, and beat the hell out of some civilians who are smaller than me and outnumbered. That will make me feel like a real man. If I get caught on tape I will just lie about it and call it mutual combat. After all, I'm the police, rules only apply to civilians.
Thanks for calling me a pussy and no my dad didn't pull out. Considering what a fat drunk he was I am amazed he could keep it up. With as many siblings as I have he did quite a good job.
Now before you suggest my "dad" wasn't our biological father he certainly was. We all have the ugly mugs to prove it. I feel bad for my sisters. Hard to find a husband when you are that ugly. Of course one of my sisters is a cop so I guess many of you would say she isn't even interested in finding a husband. I'm kinda scared to ask. She might kick my ass.
I'm going to guess something about my post really got to you. Was your dad a fat drunken shithead too? Are you a fat drunken shithead? Perhaps you should seek professional help to deal with your issues. Or just hang out at a bar at 3 am.
God bless our coppers!!!
. . . The tragedy is 3 POs from the 012th district were fired for doing their job meanwhile the officers who instigated this situation remain on the payroll.
7/11/2007 03:01:00 PM
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No coppers have been fired for this incident. None of those directly involved nor the responding units.
Go back into your hole you wanna be. Stay out of police business.
Only problem is that if you accept that theory, and it MIGHT be true, is that it shows the cops had intent to start the fight. It doesn't help their case.
Quit speculating will ya! maybe the yuppies were threatening them, and thinking they might be used as weapons, swept them into a pocket; right away you say that the coppers were looking for it. In over 10 years on the job, i've never seen a group of off-duty coppers go somewhere to start a fight, most, if not all, try their best NOT to get into anything.......
From viewing the tape inside the bar, it appears the the off duty p.o.s were asked by the bar staff to help them close up shop! That part wasn't caught on tape. So they started to ask the Yups to leave and it looked they they were refusing, so then they started to clear the pool table. The Yups then got pissed off and attacked the off duty p/o's and lost. Outside of the bar there is also no sound, Yup acts like he is making a phone call and provokes Sgt. JP into an altercation.
Remember we still haven't seen the whole tape, just bits the media wants the public to see. Again no charges filed for anything that happened inside the bar.
Shit with no sound on the tape even a PD could get these guys off!
Anonymous said...
:56, I don't know where you work, but the balls get swept on a pool table to eliminate them from being used as a weapon. The sticks should have been removed also. Handled a homicide where the victims skull was crushed by a poolball, during an argument over the game.
7/11/2007 07:48:00 PM
So you're proving the point that the police knew there was going to be a fight, and instead of walking away, they took it even further.
7/11/2007 09:10:00 PM
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I am not takeing the officers side,BUT,if i had been in the same situation. I would have swept the balls also, WHY you ask? Even if I/WE had walked away, that doesnt mean they wouldnt have picked up a ball and thrown/hit someone with it. Thats how bar fights usually are a blindsided hit or get hit while your back is turned. One of the main reasons you see barbacks always clearing the emptys away....less weapons! **knowledge from a misspent youth*** GOD I MISS THOSE DAYS!!!!!!!!!
THE KIDS IN THIS INCIDENT LOOK FINE FROM THE TAPE. Where is FOP?
I just want to say this situation was blown way out of control and thank god as a I read there a some sensible people that can see through all the bullshit.
I hope these guys stop getting raked over the coals for this stupid shit.
I suppose that maybe there should be some punishment for their actions but not to the extreme that it has been taken to.
I for one drink, I go to bars and people start shit all the time but I, by the grace of god manage to stay out of shit. Unfortunatley sometimes you cannot avoid stuff, sometimes you cannot just leave and you have to defend yourself.
It's easy to say just walk away, its easy to say they should have locked them up, its easy to judge actions that you only know little about, but a lot of people on this blogger are doing the hardest part and being supportive not condoning or judging. God bless all of you that have used the brains the good lord gave you.
Anonymous said...
I do know one of the involved!
I worked at the Board Of Trade for 10 years before becoming the police. Stop calling theses guys yuppies or businessmen. The businessmen label is a touch added by their attorneys to soften their image. The atmosphere at the Board is that of a "blue collar" mentality while dressed in polo shirts. I have known many (not all) that were heavy drinkers and snorters, big gamblers and arrogant as hell.
You guys are making assumptions based on bits and pieces of video....shame on you.
The King video (partial) showed a group of coppers beating an innocent "motorist". Remember King was described as a "motorist" not as the criminal he was.
Again I do know one of the involved(so I am biased) and for those of you passing judgement on partial information ought to be ashamed of yourselves.
7/11/2007 11:05:00 PM
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This might be the post of the day! Alot of people are damning the P.O.s involved, and im not saying it isnt waranted.BUT what this poster is saying is vital to what we dont HEAR on the tape! Maybe the P.O.s were really instigated more than we know, and again im not taking thier side. Think about it though.... the brokers see some guys drinking and MAYBE even one of them crying{over his loss}, and the other guys hugging and consoleing him. And they start talking shit "oh look at the little girls crying, hey SALLY go make me a chicken pot pie bitch!!" FUCK!!!! GAME ON!!!! Right or wrong on what they did its something to think about. A side note on the brokers, this poster made me remember that i had been downtown one day and cut through an area they all congregate, to smoke, on my way back to the train.As i passed like 5 or 6 of them someone said something ignorant and stupid that damn near made me stop in my tracks and go back and ask them to repeat TO MY FACE WHAT WAS JUST SAID! Common sence prevailed and i walked away. IF i had a couple of cocktails in me, it might have been a MUCH different story. Im not a "TOUGH GUY", i just know how i get, when ive been drinking, probably would have gotten my ass kicked too! So i am starting to think "POOR DEFENSLESS LITTLE YUPPIE BIZNESS MEN" MY ASS!!!!!
TO: "Did you see where Mike Madigan introduced a bill where now a 2/3 majority vote in the house and senate will be needed before enacting any new pension laws. Geez, I remeber when Lisa Madigan was running for Attorney General and the FOP endorsed her over the pro police, career prosecutor from DuPage County, Joe Brickett. Mark Donohue came to our roll call and told us they endorsed her over Brickett because Speaker Madigan had given them "his word" that he would get the 80% pension passed if the FOP endorsed his unqualified daughter, who had never been a prosecutor, for the state's job of top prosecutor. That was what, six years ago. Nice work Mark."
Another reason we have pension law problems is that Richie is in the Illinois legislator's pension plan. There they can write their own rules. Richie's generous benefits have followed him through every elected office, including being elected as Cook County States Attorney even though unqualified.
You think Richie cares, his attitude is, “if they don’t like it they can quit…”
How about a law where the city would pay interest on retro checks. Just dreaming.
Hopefully something involving drugs, underage girls, videotape, cash, illegal aliens, Paris Hilton, and a wannabee terrorist.
7/11/2007 09:26:00 PM
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HELL FUCKING YEAH!!!!! I am getting married next year and this sounds like a good START for my bachelor party!!!HEY SEISER can you help run this for me?!?!?! All you need to do is add some midgets,the terrorist dressed like Barney of course, singing that FUCKING SONG{I LOVE YOU, YOU LO..BAM,BAM,BAM...ALL YOU HEAR IS GUN FIRE}10 gallons of Mayo,20 gallons of crisco, a slip & slide, some barnyard animals,a potato gun,a Mr Turtle pool filled with creamed corn....and various strippers throughout the night!!! WOOOOOO HOOOOOOO
NEW NAME JEFFERSON TRAP
The fact that the officers went back into the vestibule after they were outside (presumably to continue the confrontation) will be their undoing. If they continued to walk away, no intent could be shown. I'll bet the sgt. is fired and the officers suspended after being convicted of misdemeanor battery.
"Yup acts like he is making a phone call and provokes Sgt. JP into an altercation."
Really? What if he told the Sgt. Fuck you would that justify the Sgt pulling out his roscoe & popping a cap in him?
Silly,Just Silly....
Regardless of the outcome of this case, there is a lesson here for everyone. Your whole life is being videotaped. And that will only increase. Everyone has to conduct them selves as if there is someone standing 3 feet away with a camera. Drunk, sober, at the mall, in a restaurant, in any store, walking downtown......EVERYWHERE. And not only us, tell your non police family and friends as well.
Next point....when we came on the job, we accepted the responsibility to conduct ourselves in a manner which befits our position. You have to learn to walk away. That does not mean be a punching bag for someone, the constitution allows us to defend ourselves just like everyone else in the world. If you are going to drink, leave the gun and car at home if possible. Can anyone tell me of an off duty incident in which a copper has been disciplined or fired which did not include alcohol? I am sure that there are some, but you sure don't hear about them. The officer on Vincennes, the guy from 005 in Orland, the list goes on and on. And that does not even begin to mention the coppers who have been killed or maimed in drunken car wrecks. What will it take for people to learn? I speak from the perspective of 54 years of age and 25 years on the job, so I've seen and done some shit. But man, times have changed. Get with the program.
As far as bad tippers and the worst drunks:
Worst drunks as a group ( I was a bartender before the police):
1. Firemen
2: Tradesmen
3: Coppers
Worst Tippers:
1. School teachers, they don't make much money.
Best Tippers:
1. Other Bartenders
2. Nurses
3. Coppers
4. Firemen
Most fun to have in the bar:
1. Nurses WITHOUT A DOUBT
Stay Safe everyone!
I don't see why the so called "Buisnessmen" weren't arrested after the fact just like our officers were.Clearly they weren't innocent in this barfight.I call it a draw, legally.Our guys won the fight (IF there actually was one)and I wonder why the mutual combatants on the other side werent booked. Could it be that one of them is related to someone in city govornment? Would'nt suprise me at all.
post 1:56 you child need some mental help---your daddy who you say was such a drunken irishman that couldn't handle being a cop so he drank, did that job to support you and your sorry ass---remember that you ungrateful kid!!! your father, risked his life being a cop, for you, to give you, his flesh and blood, all that he could---we all have faults, we all screw up--bar fights are common--but the sucky part is we officers cannot get into these fights because we then lose our jobs--that sucks!! we are just as human as the next guy, but he doesn't lose his job--we do!! so one day you pansy ass punk when you have enough time on the job to understand whats its like to be the real police then you can be judge and jury--but i bet then you will have a different perspective on the situation! did the coppers mess up? hell yes, but all people screw up! its called being human--it was a bar fight--end of story--the attorneys should not make more of this just because we are the police--someone should file a countersuit addressing the issue of police officers being human being, and messing up just like everyone else!! so we don't lose our jobs!!
Gentlemen we have a weapon to combat the dreaded yuppie. DUI and parking tickets. Yuppies luv to drink. start writing tickets outside these places where yuppies hangout and write tickets. Who knows some of the traffic offenders could be lawerys, ASA's and even news persons. Good luck and good hunting.
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why waste the ink, they'll just get off/thrown out by a liberal judge.
Only problem is that if you accept that theory, and it MIGHT be true, is that it shows the cops had intent to start the fight. It doesn't help their case.
Quit speculating will ya! maybe the yuppies were threatening them, and thinking they might be used as weapons, swept them into a pocket; right away you say that the coppers were looking for it. In over 10 years on the job, i've never seen a group of off-duty coppers go somewhere to start a fight, most, if not all, try their best NOT to get into anything.......
7/12/2007 12:17:00 AM
Children all of the Police Officers involved had on side arms???
Anonymous said...
"Yup acts like he is making a phone call and provokes Sgt. JP into an altercation."
Really? What if he told the Sgt. Fuck you would that justify the Sgt pulling out his roscoe & popping a cap in him?
Silly,Just Silly....
Unless I missed it on the video, he never pulled a gun. The point I was trying to make was the situation can be interpreted any way you want. No audio!!!! The media gives us there version, I came up with my own. The better lawyer is going to win this case.
I have viewed the videotape several times and can objectively concur with SCC and any rational mind this is a media hype job.
The media sensationalized this incident following on the heels of the Abbate incident. Ask Amy Jacobsen how it feels.
FELONY charges for what was depicted on that tape??? Please, a complete abuse of prosecutorial discretion. This incident is a weak misdemeanor at best.
TO 7/11/2007 01:56:00 PM
I HOPE the camera is there when YOU are forced to do some REAL police work like your dad did and the camera catches you not knowing what to do. Let me guess, you have a degree??? Your reports I am sure look great but as a co-worker I am sure you suck. Your dad probably drank MORE when you were born.
I'll bet the sgt. is fired and the officers suspended after being convicted of misdemeanor battery.
7/12/2007 05:49:00 AM
I'll take that bet with you.
I'll bet that the SGT is heavy as whale shit, does less than 30 days, works at 311 Center for some time, then returns to a unit, either TRU or Narcotics.
Any takers??
Please! these officers were wrong, Denial is not a river in Egypt.
To all those coppers on here that want to crucify their brother officers. Let he who has no sin cast the first stone.
I know all coppers have a skeleton or two in the closet, including the dork nerds hiding out in administrative slots. No one is beyond reproach,NOBODY, and if you think you are you are a F*c*in HYPOCRITE.
It looks like the attorneys and friends of the ALLEGED yuppy victims are posting on here to plead their weak case.
I wish all the best to the coppers and hope that they come out okay after the media circus is finnished.
Anonymous said...
I'll bet the sgt. is fired and the officers suspended after being convicted of misdemeanor battery.
7/12/2007 05:49:00 AM
I'll take that bet with you.
I'll bet that the SGT is heavy as whale shit, does less than 30 days, works at 311 Center for some time, then returns to a unit, either TRU or Narcotics.
Any takers??
7/13/2007 09:37:00 AM
if you ahve clout you can do anything! Look at matt the rat rodriquez he was guilty of befriending a felon milito who was involved in murders but matt got away with nothing! Again with clout you can literally get away with murder! The judges are piad off along with everyone else! If you have a blue shirt and no clout you have to be a total asshole to do anything to get into shit! Do nothing retire grab a nice pension fuck this city under daley and his thugonomics street crew!
Unless I missed it on the video, he never pulled a gun. The point I was trying to make was the situation can be interpreted any way you want. No audio!!!! The media gives us there version, I came up with my own. The better lawyer is going to win this case.
7/12/2007 10:56:00 PM
Are you a moron? Who said anything about the Sgt pulling his gun. My point is, he along with the others had on their side arms. ( you think the civilians were calling for backup! MORON Get this through your head , You think the civilian was calling 911? I'm ashamed to call myself a police officer knowing what I work with day in and day out. I bad mouth you guys every chance I get. go back to 3rd grade
I know the Sgt for a long time and he ain't heavy, he's just dumb. Locked onto Lt. Rick Flair in 012 when he first made Sgt. The Nature Boy took him to the Area when he became A/4 Gang Lt. Started out as midnight gang Sgt. The ego grew unbelievably as he became comfortable and moved to the gun team. Lil' Sarge started believing Leo's hype. Thought he was cut from the same mold. Bad news is Leo's juice is Leo's, not Planey's. There will be no beating the man, just facing the man. WOOOOH! WOOOH!
Bottom line-ALL are drinking-pussy white collar guys make fun of macho blue collar guys-blue collar guys kick white collar guys ass's-(they always will)-white collar guys went to law school and know city settles law suits for big $$$$$ if you have the right atty-white collar guys call right atty-blue collar guys forgot there is now a hidden camera somewhere, everywhere-money is the motive-white collar guys don't care about ruining careers, destroying families-white collars guys don't know how to just get their ass's beat and go home. The morale of the story is sometimes you just get your ass beat for opening your big fucking mouth. Thats how most of us learned to keep ours shut.
I believe da nile actually IS a river in Egypt.
The most important thing I learned from my oversized, alcoholic, drunken Irish cop dad was to not drink to excess. He used the job as an excuse for everything he did. He was never at fault for anything in his personal or professional life.
If a group of aldermen beat the hell out of a smaller group in a bar and it was caught on tape many of you would be screaming for blood.
These guys screwed up and they are going to pay a price. That is the way it goes. If you imagine that a camera is everywhere you go then maybe you will be more careful about what you do.
7/11/2007 01:56:00 PM
FINALLY, someone with some common sense who looked at this with an open mind and not that of a "CPD can't do anything wrong" attitude. All of us have responded to drunken bar fights nad have locked people up at them. I'm sure those arrestees also felt "provoked" because they were WASTED!!!!! If you can't hold you liquor - drink at home. It is time for police officers to take the consequences of their behavior and quit blaming others. It is times like the Jefferson Tap incident and the Abbatte incident that take away from the true injustices like the case in Iowa.
Bottom line-ALL are drinking-pussy white collar guys make fun of macho blue collar guys-blue collar guys kick white collar guys ass's-(they always will)-white collar guys went to law school and know city settles law suits for big $$$$$ if you have the right atty-white collar guys call right atty-blue collar guys forgot there is now a hidden camera somewhere, everywhere-money is the motive-white collar guys don't care about ruining careers, destroying families-white collars guys don't know how to just get their ass's beat and go home. The morale of the story is sometimes you just get your ass beat for opening your big fucking mouth. Thats how most of us learned to keep ours shut.
WRONG AGAIN ! Blue collar guy officer Powers was the cry baby pussy. Take a good look at the tape.( 2 years gun team) most coppers I know can't punch themselfs out of a paper bag.
See there? Perfect example. "WRONG AGAIN!" hasn't learned to keep his big fucking mouth shut yet. He probably gets his ass beat all the time.
FINALLY, someone with some common sense who looked at this with an open mind and not that of a "CPD can't do anything wrong" attitude. All of us have responded to drunken bar fights nad have locked people up at them. I'm sure those arrestees also felt "provoked" because they were WASTED!!!!! If you can't hold you liquor - drink at home. It is time for police officers to take the consequences of their behavior and quit blaming others. It is times like the Jefferson Tap incident and the Abbatte incident that take away from the true injustices like the case in Iowa.
7/15/2007 10:42:00 AM
Truth be told brother. The Jefferson tap incident let the connected handle that one as we all know, will happen. however Iowa we need to help this officer
WRONG AGAIN ! Blue collar guy officer Powers was the cry baby pussy. Take a good look at the tape.( 2 years gun team) most coppers I know can't punch themselfs out of a paper bag.
7/15/2007 10:50:00 AM
Anonymous said...
See there? Perfect example. "WRONG AGAIN!" hasn't learned to keep his big fucking mouth shut yet. He probably gets his ass beat all the time.
7/15/2007 08:05:00 PM
I know your type, cry baby tough guy just like Powers and his daddy. Cops like you make me sick. The gun you think makes you a man, yet Wrong again. Get some fucking self esteem. A gun will not make you into a man. (softball)
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