A Retiree Who Gets It
From the comments section, a readers named "lincoln park retiree":
- While I have no dog in this residency fight, I'd suggest that members of the CPD, particularly prospective home owners, check today's Sunday Tribune, Real Estate Section 14C, back page. It has a map of Chicago and its 77 neighborhoods (community areas).
The latest median value of homes in each area is listed. For thirty years, I've owned a home in what is now the most expensive (median value: $440,000) of the 77 Chicago neighborhoods. I paid off my mortgage over 25 years ago.
The only homes in Chicago with a median value of less than $200k are in 007 and Area 2 [excluding Beverly ($320k) and Mt. Greenwood($241k)].
Even homes in 011 and 015 come in with a median price of about a quarter million dollars.
Obviously, the younger officers have a compelling argument against residency while older CPD and retirees who have paid off their mortgages in 016 will want to continue residency in order that they shore up their already declining property values.
You don't need to be a real estate genius to realize that current market dynamics have rendered CPD city residency as preposterous, if not medieval.
Residency should be expanded to the suburbs, the collar counties and even northwest Indiana.
If residency is resolved by rational discourse based on cold, hard economic facts, Daley doesn't have a leg to stand on.
For even further evidence, compare the absurdity of the CPD's residency rule with other big-city police departments.
Thank you sir or ma'am, for your succinct and comprehensive analysis of the situation. Would you like a job writing for us? The pay is zero and the pension is worse. But if you can make sense of our ramblings and those of our readers, you'd earn every penny.
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posted by SCC at 3:49 AM
88 Comments:
Now who could that "Lincoln Park retiree" possibly be? He does raise excellent points.
Who says you have the right to own a home? If you can't afford a house, I guess you will say in your apt. or momma's basement.
I do not know if I want Chicago cops living in the burbs.
Does that mean you will bring your gun control with you? All I ask, is that you leave that at the border. The burbs like their guns, especially their rifles and handguns.
If you work for CAGE, you should be deported first before moving to the burbs.
Lifting of the residency rule would not impact any neighborhood in the city, not even in 008, 016 or 022. There are only 34,000 city workers on the entire city payroll. They can't own mor than 28,000 homes. That is an insignificant percentage of the housing stock in the city and we know that many employees will never leave.
That retiree is absolutely correct. There is no reasonable priced homes in the city anymore. Daley loves us thats why he won't let us leave. [That last line was sarcasm]
Point well taken. As a nearly retired p.o., I chose to downsize and move into a condo in the near southwest suburbs. My place is valued at about 200K with property taxes of 2K. When contemplating another move, out of Crook County, I started to look around and could not find anything with reasonable property taxes. If I spent around 300 K for a place, the property taxes would be around 5K. I am extremely grateful for the opportunity to have been able to move around so freely with no kids and all and the fact I socked away the max on our tax deferred since the day of its inception. However, that saying about the grass always being greener.....
Taxes are high in this Rod's state. From the city, counties and state, it sucks, BAD.
Thanks for listening to a retired p.o.
again if they require you to live in a certain geographioc area then they should (should be a rule almost) to pay a certain fee ( be it a living wage). to combat the higher taxes, insurance(car etc..) and we should never have to pay for city stickers............fucking joke!!!!! The only city Ive lived in that is this fucked up....trust me.....crooked mayor makes this city worse! i just wish there was a 20 yr buyout so i can leave....
We are soooo screwed!
A few weeks ago I ranted here about the current situation, economic and otherwise in the State,County,City,CPD,Deferred Compensation,high housing prices,(the housing crash that is on the way)etc.
Of course, I had some clown call me a dumbshit, and tell me to pick different funds if I wasn't happy with my returns.
My response would have been, it doesn't matter anyway, because Nationwide is shit and only offers us maybe 20-30 funds. Other 401(K) plans offer hundreds of funds to choose from. Why is this? Who is getting a kick-back? Which one of the Mayor's cronies are getting rich off us?
After 11 years I am finally on the plus side again. My return this year was more than 17%, but I don't have much more than my contributions over the years.
The GAME is rigged, as in fixed!
Watch this CNBC newsclip from friday. Jim Cramer from MadMoney show had a meltdown! The economy is so FUCKED and so are we!
http://www.cnbc.com/id/
15840232?video=452808336&play=1
Residency is archaic.Why cant officers be treated like adults?If you can get to work on time,who cares where I live at.
Calumet City P.D. Lodge 1 did it. They lifted residency and all the police are so much more happier. You'll hear from a couple stupid uniformed people who will say " the police will care less and do less if they don't live in the neighborhoods or city that they patrol". That's totally false!!!
Chicago should do several things. Put a stop to the table scraps that the city dishes out at contract time. Wake the fuck up and hire 3,000+ more police. Lift residency. This will all of course increase morale, increase productivity, increase public safety and lesson the crime rate.
Think the city is too expensive - try cutting back on your expensive lifestyles. Do policemen really need to take 2-3 vacations a year, drive $50,000 cars, have $20,000 Harley's, $50,000 Boats, put up $120,000 additions? How is it our parents were able to raise larger families, send us to catholic schools, put clothes on our backs and food in our mouths with basically the same resources as we have today? Anyone who thinks moving to Alsip is going to solve their problems is a moron. START LIVING WITHIN YOUR MEANS - if you want to have expensive tastes quit the civil service job you signed up for and make something of yourselves.
Isn't there ANYTHING we can do to let our voices be heard?!
I definately agree it is harder for young coppers to afford a place in a decent area.
They should allow them to live in nearby burbs.
I agree that people, including Chicago Police Officers and other city workers have a right to live where they please. Truth is, as long as Daley is around, we aren't going to loose the residence rule. Who knows whoever is next may not give it to us either. That being said, let's try to fight battles that we have a chance to win, such as a four or five day work week, a cap on what we are paying for insurance, and a decent monetary raise.
AMEN.
LIFT THAT GODDAMN RESIDENCY RULE!!!!
CNBC article on the housing market:
Clearly the credit market needs some help. The fear factor is overwhelming some of the basic fundamental facts, but not all of them. I just worry that if you lower interest rates you're essentially reversing an important, albeit painful lesson. American homeowners got greedy, bottom line. They saw these low rates, they saw these "exotic" mortgage products, and they bought themselves homes they should never have owned in the first place. Now they're in trouble, and many of the them should be.
If you watch CNBC's Jim Cramer you have to see this!
Cramer says dump your house
Wow. Nice!!!!
All you wannabe real estate moguls better start reading a real newspaper! If you want to sell your house and it's been sittting on the market for 9 months now, ask your self why.
Housing Market to Weaken Even Further As Mortgage Industry Takes Cure
Housing Market to Weaken Even Further As Mortgage Industry Takes Cure
"This week is going to be a nightmare," says Melissa Cohn, chief executive of Manhattan Mortgage in New York. Lenders are scaling back so fast that it isn't clear which loans are available or on what terms, and rates are jumping even on large loans, known as jumbos, for prime borrowers.
These stricter lending standards reduce demand for homes and nudge some people who can't refinance toward foreclosure. Higher foreclosures add to a glut of homes on the market in most of the country. And, completing the vicious circle, a weaker housing market comes back to bite the lenders by wiping out owners' equity in their homes and increasing the risk of even more foreclosures down the road.
"The market is in a panic," says Larry Goldstone, president of Thornburg Mortgage Inc., a lender in Santa Fe, N.M. He says he thinks the mortgage-bond market, which supplies most of the money for home mortgages, will calm down within a few months, but the housing market may need at least another year or two to heal.
Ahh a breath of fresh air and intelligence from a real old timer that I can really respect other than the typical hackneyed responses of, “You knew what you were getting into,” “you hair-gel police are cry babies,” “too much college not enough high school,” “your generation thinks they know everything”…so on and so forth.
It must have been easy to buy multiple houses/properties on supplemental income as, “Sir you were going $50 over the speed limit,” and all the other illegal sh*t that was going on. Please don’t even tell me that it wasn’t going on either.
wow i wish are fop reps were on the ball like the writer of this post.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO POST MORE SO THE GUYS AT FLOP CAN CUT AND PASTE YOUR IDEAS AND PRETEND THEY HAVE DEGREES. I STILL CANT BELIEVE A DIAPER DICK IS THE PREZ.
I have only a few years on the job and I am going to be lucky to own a condo within the next 12 months. The thought of owning a house is an utter joke unless I marry someone who makes just as much money as me and only then will our dual incomes allow me to buy a small house.
Thats right! Most coppers I see at work go out and buy new harleys and have fancy cars. They go out drinking, blowing over $100 a night on booze.
We should all expect our corrupt FOP to put through the same BS contract they always do. There will be zero talk about residency and no financial compensation. Expect a small raise like 2% and the arbitrator will have no choice because that's all the FOP will give him to rule on. Once again the FOP and the city will agreee to a BS contract and our FOP will ask us to vote yes on it which we won't and the cycle continues.
What a non-corrupt FOP would do is ask for the most and the best for us and if the city doesn't like it too bad let the arbitrator decide. Last contract the arbitrator said he would have given more, but the FOP didn't ask for it. How can we have a FOP that is in bed with the city? Just look how they never speak out on our behalf!
My response would have been, it doesn't matter anyway, because Nationwide is shit and only offers us maybe 20-30 funds. Other 401(K) plans offer hundreds of funds to choose from. Why is this? Who is getting a kick-back? Which one of the Mayor's cronies are getting rich off us?
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GREAT POINT! The Nationwide rep came to my unit awhile back and I asked if there were other options for investing thru them that they do not publish in their paperwork.
He said no.
Before comming here, I worked for a brokerage firm so I know there are many many more options. Nationwide is cookie cutter. They have all City employees AND County employees!
Altho I don't make enough to buy a home outside Englewood, I would have liked to invest in some R.E. funds during the boom. And now the bust is on the way I would like to grab a bear or short fund.
Also, gold (yes, I said gold. You remember that shinny metal that our sh!tty dollar used to be pegged to?) shot up alot around 2004. That would have been nice to have a portion of my deferred comp to...
My point is I am thinking about f-ing Nationwide and going on my own.
Like residency, more options are better ones.
Anonymous said...
Think the city is too expensive - try cutting back on your expensive lifestyles. Do policemen really need to take 2-3 vacations a year, drive $50,000 cars, have $20,000 Harley's, $50,000 Boats, put up $120,000 additions?
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...and you STILL could not afford a 1,000 sq ft ranch on the NW side!
Give up your tired arguement.
Anonymous said...
Think the city is too expensive - try cutting back on your expensive lifestyles. Do policemen really need to take 2-3 vacations a year, drive $50,000 cars, have $20,000 Harley's, $50,000 Boats, put up $120,000 additions? How is it our parents were able to raise larger families, send us to catholic schools, put clothes on our backs and food in our mouths with basically the same resources as we have today? Anyone who thinks moving to Alsip is going to solve their problems is a moron. START LIVING WITHIN YOUR MEANS - if you want to have expensive tastes quit the civil service job you signed up for and make something of yourselves.
8/06/2007 10:57:00 AM
Wow. Where to begin? Did anybody here mention Alsip? And as far as living within our means is concerned, what is starting pay here, 40g? And, yes, we have to have a car. If you live south of 95th street, which you HAVE to on 40g, you are going to need a car, seeing as how there is no train that comes past 95th. Tell ya what, smarty pants, I'll make you a deal. I'll keep my beater car, and you find me a nice house that I can afford making 40g. I have some stipulations. 1. It must be located in mt greenwood, garfield ridge, edison, or even jefferson park. 2. It must have 3 bedrooms, 1.5 bath (I have a family, if that's ok with you). 3. It must be in great shape, because I cannot afford to fix it up.
Now that you have my stipulations, log on to Realtor.com. Find a nice house that matches that- it will be in mt. greenwood, garfield ridge, or up north. Once you find what I am looking for, there is a mortgage calculator provided for you. Enter my salary (40g) and lets see what kind of loan I qualify for.... oh, and i refuse to have an arm or some fancy pants loan....30 year fixed. Find me that house! And, we have made something of ourselves. We chose to serve schmucks like you that don't appreciate us. It's not our fault that you have no concept of dignaty.
Anonymous said...
I have only a few years on the job and I am going to be lucky to own a condo within the next 12 months.
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Don't buy a condo! They are not selling and the future is bleak. If the developer cannot sell all of them they will hire a rental mgt co to try to rent it. But with the cost to own / rent ratio sooooo out of wack, they will never cover the costs. Guess what the last resort will be? Section 8, bitches!!! Don't believe me? Take a drive by 3100 W. Polk...
stop bitchin and move to the ghetto....
you guys who bought in the last two years are going to be UPSIDE DOWN ON YOUR HOUSE/CONDO !
wait, it gets worse.
if you try to sell or refinance before 7-10 yrs you will have to BRING CASH TO THE CLOSING !
so REFINANCING out of that ARM that is about to adjust upward and into a 30yr fixed (that you couldn't afford/qualify for in the first place)may be IMPOSSIBLE.
"mt greenwood avg. 241,000.00" ????
just try finding a HOUSE for under 300,000.00 in mt g. or 350,000.00 in gar ridge......on 70,000/yr ?
yeah, i don't think so! guess i'll just rent and put as much $ away as possible.
CHICAGO, A PLACE WHERE MEDIOCRITY IS UNAFFORDABLE.
Gonna sell my house soon. I can't afford to own it anymore being on disability and never seeing a raise. Tell you this much,fuck the city and the politicians at least I'll move out of this shit state. Careful fellow po's don't get sick or hurt working for these assholes because when you do expect to be treated like a piece of shit from the department on down. God Bless,stay safe and good luck on the contract even if us disabled guys don't get shit you guys deserve much more than what you have now.
P.S. Hey FOP how the fuck could you possibly lose a contractual issue like the city paying for the disabled p.o's prescriptions? That has been in the labor contract for years and the city has never paid a cent and you idiots lost it in arbitration. Ever hear of actually taking the city to court when they openly violate a contractual issue instead of some bought and paid for arbitrator? Hope you do better on the upcoming contract you fucking useless goofs.
I don't vote for Daley, but let me move out out of this city and I guarantee you my house will be bought by two affluent gay yuppies who will LOVE to vote for Daley and keep him in office forever simply because he plants flowers on State Street. And they'll spend way more in this city than I do by going to plays and stuff. Maybe they'll even grow a garden on the roof. Here that Daley? You're crazy for not lifting the residency rule!
I am also a retired guy, 4 months. I am trying to sell my Edison Park house now ( no takers). IN 87 when I bought this house, 20% down, my second house, first wife took the first house.
I worked special, side jobs, etc. for the 20 %. If I were faced with this now, I do not know how I could amass 80,000 for a down stroke.
Being able to live outside the city would be great, but it aint going to happen. Some of the new P.Os are in a terrible situation with this.
As for taxes, I am trying to get out of this state. Did a little numbers game, between real estate, income, etc. taxes- I would be saving at least $350 a month out of here. That is a lot for a fixed income guy like me.
A word of advice, put as much as you can in Deferred Comp.- If you are young, a big portion in the market. If you are old like me, go to fixed. 4.75 % percent is alot if you have a ton of money in there.
Good luck to all. I had a great time, and as they say- Miss the people but not the nonsense.
"If you don't like the job, then quit. Then you can leave the city."
Commisar Rich Daley
Another thing is that people in the good neighborhoods who can't afford their mortagage are now turning them into section 8 properties. That means of course getto people coming into the good neighborhoods. The neighborhoods are changing slowly, but just that CHANGING! This will cause property values to go down tremendously. Then 10 years from now try to sell your house GOOD LUCK! LIFT THE RESIDENCY KING RICHARD, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TO LOOSE. You tore up Migs Field Because you didn't want to hear the planes flying near YOUR house. And you still owe the City 10 million dollars for that mistake or did you forget? There some of your short comings budget wise, penny foolish.
LET'S JOIN THE TEAMSTERS POLICE UNION. LAST TIME DALEY GOT A LITTLE SCARED WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP. Our F.O.P. HAS NO BALLS AND WON'T PUT THE RESIDENCY ON THE TABLE FOR THE NEXT CONTRACT. Remember to vote them out if we can't get what is our right.
I want to move to Dolton or Harvey but because of this fucking residency requirement I have to live in Edgebrook! WTF
Think the city is too expensive - try cutting back on your expensive lifestyles. Do policemen really need to take 2-3 vacations a year, drive $50,000 cars, have $20,000 Harley's, $50,000 Boats, put up $120,000 additions? How is it our parents were able to raise larger families, send us to catholic schools, put clothes on our backs and food in our mouths with basically the same resources as we have today? Anyone who thinks moving to Alsip is going to solve their problems is a moron. START LIVING WITHIN YOUR MEANS - if you want to have expensive tastes quit the civil service job you signed up for and make something of yourselves.
Sorry, my friend you are not correct on any of the above listed rant. The power of the almighty dollar was not at such a low rate when our parents had to do it. Also, the ridiculous price private school tuition is today does not compare to what tuition was when our parents had to send us to the private school. Our economy today does not compare to the economy from when we were kids. Not to mention public transportation was cheaper and safer then it is today. The level of gang violence was not as bad as it is today. Gang violence when we grew up consisted of getting your ass beat, now a days the coward gang bangers use guns, they are a bunch of cowards. The only reason our parents did not have the high end cars and the additions on their homes was because the greedy credit card industry did not begin its rape and pilage of our economy until around 1989, you really are comparing apples and oranges. The expensive cars and houses are being financed. Our parents did not pay such crazy amounts on taxes. If you want to blame any one you should be pointing the finger at the greedy politicians and the ass kissing Union and exempts who sold the average copper down the river.
I agree that people, including Chicago Police Officers and other city workers have a right to live where they please. Truth is, as long as Daley is around, we aren't going to loose the residence rule. Who knows whoever is next may not give it to us either. That being said, let's try to fight battles that we have a chance to win, such as a four or five day work week, a cap on what we are paying for insurance, and a decent monetary raise.
I totally agree with the above listed post.We should pick and choose our battles carefully instead of trying to win the entire war in one foul swoop. We should be fighting the battle that can be won.
Telling you where to sleep is like telling you who to sleep with.
My dad (R.I.P.) was a cop, from about '54 to '66, had a wife who didn't work, a mortgage, a new car every 5-6 years, an annual family fishing vacation and three kids in parochial school. He never worked a second job.
He made about 10K at the end, with overtime (not Chicago P.D.), a new car was about 2,500, the mortgage was $90 (Bungalow in Belmont-Craigan) and the school tuition was $2.00 a month. I make almost seven his that salary and I work a lot of side jobs.
"Isn't there ANYTHING we can do to let our voices be heard?! "
Try going to the FOP meeting on September 18th and bring your partner and make some noise. Call your alderman, have your spouse call your alderman, make some noise to them. Get a job involving an alderman, make some noise.
I never did have "2-3 vacations a year, drive $50,000 cars, have $20,000 Harley's, $50,000 Boats, put up $120,000 additions"
I just want the comfortable, middle class existence and retirement that this job promised before Daley.
I think the solution is for the spouses of city employees to file a class action suit; they aren't city workers and should not be confined to the city by the residency rule. Daley against the soccer moms, what fun that would be to watch.
I hope the residency requirement does NOT get lifted!!! Are you crazy?? I scraped every penny I could to buy a 2 bedroom brick ranch in Mt. Greenwood on our meager salary. If they lift the residency, 111th and Kedzie will look like 79th and Cottage Grove! Forget about Mt. Greenwood if the residency gets lifted. We'll be screwed. Not like it already hasn't started getting bad. Some shithead already clocked an old lady in her backyard in Mt. Greenwood a few days ago and took her purse. So if they lift the residency where are you gonna run to? The last outskirts of south side of the city that are still in tact will be decimated and become the wasteland that is just to the northeast of it. Sad reality. If anyone has any better insight, I'm all ears.
YOU GUY CRACK ME UP I BOUGHT BUILDINGS PLURAL IN PILSEN AWILE BACK.
GUESS WHAT I HAD TO SUFFER WITH THE BANGERS FOR A BIT AND COULDNT USE THE PUBLIC SCHOOL.
BUT NOW I COULD SELL THE BUILDING AND BUY 2 HOUSE BIGGER THAN CLINES.
YOU GUY KILL ME WITH YOUR PLASTIC ABOVE GROUND POOLS.
Anonymous said...
Thats right! Most coppers I see at work go out and buy new harleys and have fancy cars. They go out drinking, blowing over $100 a night on booze.
8/06/2007 04:26:00 PM
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Those are probably greedy loanowners that cash-out refi'ed their Mt Grnwd ranch.
No Bitter Renter newbie would leave his prized Harley parked infront of his apartment building for the steal!
is a mortgage calculator provided for you. Enter my salary (40g) and lets see what kind of loan I qualify for.... oh, and i refuse to have an arm or some fancy pants loan....30 year fixed. Find me that house! And, we have made something of ourselves. We chose to serve schmucks like you that don't appreciate us. It's not our fault that you have no concept of dignaty.
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Sorry. does not compute! does not compute! does not compute!
Anonymous said...
I am also a retired guy, 4 months. I am trying to sell my Edison Park house now ( no takers). IN 87 when I bought this house, 20% down, my second house, first wife took the first house.
I worked special, side jobs, etc. for the 20 %. If I were faced with this now, I do not know how I could amass 80,000 for a down stroke.
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How much are YOU asking??
Anonymous said...
I hope the residency requirement does NOT get lifted!!! Are you crazy?? I scraped every penny I could to buy a 2 bedroom brick ranch in Mt. Greenwood on our meager salary.
Then stop asking $300,000 $400,000 $500,000 for it and maybe a nice copper CAN buy it from "you". "You" greedy cocksuckers just kill me! "You" got a great deal 10+ years back, but I'm just supposed to pay up and shut up?! "Your" own greed will destroy "your" own neighborhoods. Enjoy the ghetto next door!
New York understands what they call NO REPRESENTATION!!!!!!! If they lift the residency what hold do we have over the mayor?// Thr only thing we have right now is ours, and our family's votes. New York has no contract cause the mayor doesn't care. They don't live in the city, cant't vote so the mayor ignores them. It might be ok for short timers but the rest of us need to stay in the city, make our votes count, and keep our property values up!!!!!!
If there is Section 8 houseing in all these new "Luxury Condos" flooding the neighborhoods, then maybe there should be a Section 8A.
Just an idea, have these developers like Sergio & Banks (Alderman's kin) rent to cop, firefighter and maybe military families just like they do the west-side transplants.
Perhaps
Where the F*CK is our union??? We want residency as the forefront issue. Do what you got to do, get a petition going, get a class action lawsuit. Figure it out already and get it done. That's why we pay you.
Anonymous said...
I hope the residency requirement does NOT get lifted!!! Are you crazy?? I scraped every penny I could to buy a 2 bedroom brick ranch in Mt. Greenwood on our meager salary. If they lift the residency, 111th and Kedzie will look like 79th and Cottage Grove! Forget about Mt. Greenwood if the residency gets lifted. We'll be screwed. Not like it already hasn't started getting bad. Some shithead already clocked an old lady in her backyard in Mt. Greenwood a few days ago and took her purse. So if they lift the residency where are you gonna run to? The last outskirts of south side of the city that are still in tact will be decimated and become the wasteland that is just to the northeast of it. Sad reality. If anyone has any better insight, I'm all ears.
...................................O.T. I have a question. I was sent an email from a friend the other day saying that there has been a pattern of robberies that start around 95th and Pulaski and are happening in 2211. Is this true,anyone in 022 like to respond to this? TRUE/FALSE???
daley argues that when we-police and fire- took this job, you knew about the residency requirement. yea 10 yrs ago shitheads werent robbing people in mt greenwood/beverly. illegals werent living in garfied ridge, and section 8 was unheard of in 016. well fuck u daley and cline. u took the projects down and overpoliced the ghettos forcing the animal to our areas. you handcuffed the police by giving in the the reverends, the media, and the attorneys. stop working in the ghetto/barrio and start watching your own neighborhoods.
Anonymous said...
Think the city is too expensive - try cutting back on your expensive lifestyles. Do policemen really need to take 2-3 vacations a year, drive $50,000 cars, have $20,000 Harley's, $50,000 Boats, put up $120,000 additions? How is it our parents were able to raise larger families, send us to catholic schools, put clothes on our backs and food in our mouths with basically the same resources as we have today? Anyone who thinks moving to Alsip is going to solve their problems is a moron. START LIVING WITHIN YOUR MEANS - if you want to have expensive tastes quit the civil service job you signed up for and make something of yourselves.
8/06/2007 10:57:00 AM
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I dont know if this assclown is just trying to start a fight or if its DON RITCHIE himself or one of his rich crony crew? I have a question for you sir. What do you do for a living,how much was your car, how many trips do you take a year? who are you to ask if POLICEMEN NEED any of these things??? I am not allowed to want a nice car,house,harley,boat only you are worthy of these things?That is probably one of the most arrogant,egotistical,eleteist things i have read on this site and that says a lot!! Your arguement of living within your means is a good one but your smug tone leads me to believe you hate the police but really dream of being a cop but CANT!!Why not, wifey wont let you, or better yet MOMMY.Your CRIMINAL background preventing you from being accepted?Most people that ive met that hate the police,are being "FUCKED WITH" by them as they are breaking the law. What are you doing that the bad policemen are harrasing you??Its always the ones that think they are above the law that hate the police the most.Stop trying to start fights on this site and go spend time w/your family before the wife/girl/boyfriend starts to bang the OBERWISE guy and your daughter does the WHOLE CREW that cuts your grass. You say civil service as if to say we are all to stupid to do anything else or"MAKE SOMETHING OF OURSELVES" as you put it. I dont know how you and your ego fit in the same room together. You almost sound like the same guy i argued with before about the "PRIVATE SECTOR" crap. Stop being a computer tough guy,i hate to tell you but, your little weewee stays the same size no matter how much shit and hate you talk. NOW GO GET YOUR SHINEBOX!!!
All the newer P.O.'s cant afford to buy anything decent and will be forced to rent and the "Old-Tymers" who are retiring wont be able to sell,(and possibly stuck with 2 mortgages if you leave) and will be sticking around the city a little longer than they want. Looks like were all screwed.
"Chicago Works!" --- Not anymore!
hey jawbreaker, listen closely and tell me what you hear........that's right.....the music stopped and you don't have a seat.
good luck selling those pilsen properties now. hope your carry costs are low.
have fun! goin back to my plastic pool.
so here is where we are at:
old timers can't sell there house.
new guys can't buy a house.
guys in the middle are struggleing with increasing taxes and adjusting ARM's.
JUST WHO IS WINNING HERE ?
Some of these coppers are right...I've done some math and there is NO real way to live comfortably in the city for us young bucks...especially when you didn't live here to start with and have to fight from scratch!!
To 8/07 12:47 a.m.
Yes, it is true to some extent. There is a M-1-between mid 20's and mid 30's driving a small red 4dr car (forgot make and model, plates are unknown on all reports) who is hanging around the Jewel and Home Depot at 95th and Pulaski (seen on several video surveillance tapes). He follows old folks from there to a bank, and then home. If they go to a bank before home, he strong arms them as they attempt to go into the house or garage.
There has only been one case in Chicago so far (a week ago), involved a connected PO's family. Evergreen Park and Oak Lawn are checking out 5 separate cases, going back to June. Lots of cooperation between Evergreen, Oak Lawn, Area 2, 022 is happening. This one will get solved soon. A lot of people want this guy, and are working hard on it. Go shopping with the relatives for a while, or tell them to gosomewhere else for a while.
...................................O.T. I have a question. I was sent an email from a friend the other day saying that there has been a pattern of robberies that start around 95th and Pulaski and are happening in 2211. Is this true,anyone in 022 like to respond to this? TRUE/FALSE???
8/07/2007 12:47:00 AM
FYI - 95th and Pulaski is the border between Oak Lawn and Evergreen Park. OL is the west side (K-Mart/Jewel/Target) and EP is the east (Medical/Auto Shop) - so if it was to be starting near here, it would be in the suburbs and not on 2211.
There is an apartment complex near 95th Street that has some "former" CHA displaced "people" living there. Calling a spade a spade, these are actually animals not "people" . So if there is a crime spree and these "people" just happened to move in and then the crime spree started - you figure it out.
As far as 2211, plumb job and on 2 of the 3 watches nobody does anything - they do not care. On mids, they sleep. On third watch they answer calls - that is about it. The guy on days, he will go to calls, and then he will look for the animals that do not belong.
If more of the police would come back home to work, instead you live in 22 and drive to 15 for work, your area, and 2211, would be a hell of a lot better. What you have now are police that do not all live here but came to 22 so they did not have to work. Times change, ask ANYONE in 22, it goes up everyday, thanks to the "people" that came from CHA.
In 22, there is work to do, you just have to know how to work and how to look for it. If you do, you can have all the court you want and still patrol you home and have a nice place to eat.
Put in a bid, things will be changing for the better soon.
Anonymous said...
daley argues that when we-police and fire- took this job, you knew about the residency requirement. yea 10 yrs ago shitheads werent robbing people in mt greenwood/beverly. illegals werent living in garfied ridge, and section 8 was unheard of in 016. well fuck u daley and cline. u took the projects down and overpoliced the ghettos forcing the animal to our areas. you handcuffed the police by giving in the the reverends, the media, and the attorneys. stop working in the ghetto/barrio and start watching your own neighborhoods.
8/07/2007 01:07:00 AM
Now in fall 2007 property bills bills will skyrocket not only will we pay the fall extra but also the extra from the start of 2007! Now stroger,blago,daley all want more tax money from us! THESE FUCKING JAGOFFS WANT TO GIVE IT ALL AWAY FREE LINK CARDS, FREE SHIT FOR THE MILLIONS OF ILLEGALS DALEY LOVES IN THIS SHIT CITY! 2 MORE YEARS THEN I AM RETIRE GET MY PENSION AND SAY FUCK THIS DOGASS OVERPRICED CITY!
got a buddy on oak lawn p.d., pattern of strong arm/armed robberies in oak lawn,evergreen park and mt.greenwood/beverly.
m/1's, one sometimes two offenders seen, green car.
hitting old women leaving stores/atm's
following to cars/homes
Where the F*CK is our union??? We want residency as the forefront issue. Do what you got to do, get a petition going, get a class action lawsuit. Figure it out already and get it done. That's why we pay you.
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Again, our union can't really do much for us on this subject at the moment. Residency for Chicago PD is state law!!!
I live on the southside. The southside would become Det. I DO WANT NOT RESIDENCY LIFTED. I HOPE THE FOP STANDS UP AGAINST RESIDENCY BEING LIFTED!
Anonymous said...
I hope the residency requirement does NOT get lifted!!! Are you crazy?? I scraped every penny I could to buy a 2 bedroom brick ranch in Mt. Greenwood on our meager salary. If they lift the residency, 111th and Kedzie will look like 79th and Cottage Grove! Forget about Mt. Greenwood if the residency gets lifted. We'll be screwed. Not like it already hasn't started getting bad. Some shithead already clocked an old lady in her backyard in Mt. Greenwood a few days ago and took her purse. So if they lift the residency where are you gonna run to? The last outskirts of south side of the city that are still in tact will be decimated and become the wasteland that is just to the northeast of it. Sad reality. If anyone has any better insight, I'm all ears.
8/06/2007 10:17:00 PM
Open your eyes a tad more, my friend. It has already begun. I live close to kedzie, and the problem element has moved in. 111th and Kedzie looks a lot like 47th and Indiana. Homies standing around the cell phone store. Nice. That is what this residency issue is really about....our good neighborhoods ARE changing, and we are going to be stuck here! If I could get out for a tad more than I owe, I'd sell today.....I'd move FAR west. I would commute 50 min to 015 and be happy as a clam.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
I am also a retired guy, 4 months. I am trying to sell my Edison Park house now ( no takers). IN 87 when I bought this house, 20% down, my second house, first wife took the first house.
I worked special, side jobs, etc. for the 20 %. If I were faced with this now, I do not know how I could amass 80,000 for a down stroke.
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Ill give you 300 for it
so here is where we are at:
old timers can't sell there house.
new guys can't buy a house.
guys in the middle are struggleing with increasing taxes and adjusting ARM's.
JUST WHO IS WINNING HERE ?
8/07/2007 03:38:00 AM
Check out the poster who stated, we are doing great, He thinks we are flushed with cash. (see Hillary post)
80,000.00 for a downstroke ?
must be looking for 400,000.00 for that 970 sq/ft edison pk ranch that you paid 240,000.00 in '01.
sorry pal, and i don't care how many mcmansions they built on your block.
POLICEMEN SIMPLY DON'T MAKE THAT KIND OF MONEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH I AM SO MAD , I HAVE TO LIVE IN THE CITY (EDISON PARK) IF THEY DID NOT HAVE A RESIDENCY RULE I COULD LIVE IN MAYWOOD OR BELLWOOD.
To 8/7/2007 12:47:00A,M.
There is a robbery pattern going on, so far, to the best of my knowledge, only one incident has occurred in 022, but there have been several robberies in Evergreen Park and Oak Lawn. Problem is that the Evergreen Park and Oak Lawn Police (mostly Evergreen Park) never passed this information on to 022 or Area 2.
Neiter suburb, especially Evergreen Park is what it was 10 years ago.
off topic, but....there was a rumor (among many) that Daley was going to offer police and fire a 10 year contract, with a provision to open wage negotiations after 4/5 years; now, an article in the paper to the effect that the city has settled (preliminarily) with many of the trade unions: 10 year contract (so he can show the IOC that the city will have labor peace up to the Olympics), prevailing wage for the skilled tradesmen, 16% wage increase over five years for the non-skilled (with a provision to re-open after that for the purpose of negotiating wages). Anyone think he'll try the same tactic for police and fire? And, if so, for such a long contract, what sweeteners should be in there? Thoughts?
hey jawbreaker, listen closely and tell me what you hear........that's right.....the music stopped and you don't have a seat.
good luck selling those pilsen properties now. hope your carry costs are low.
have fun! goin back to my plastic pool.
8/07/2007 03:24:00 AM
Are you kidding? Pilsen is red hot right now, his properties will sell easily, the near south side is real hot also, I can't say the same for the rest of the city.
Are you kidding? Pilsen is red hot right now, his properties will sell easily, the near south side is real hot also, I can't say the same for the rest of the city.
8/07/2007 02:18:00 PM
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You are on drugs. What idiot can afford the prices they want down there and don't mind all the gangs and guns? Pilsen's #1 for strays hitting babies!
Living in the city is less than desirable. I pay lots of money into mortgage andtaxes and have little to show for it. I live in Garfield Ridge and work lots of ot andside jobs just to make ends meet.My wife also works. Its a shame we can't utilize the schools since we pay for them through taxes. We have no decent restaurants in the area (except portillos) or any movie thearters.I travel to nearby suburebs for most entertainment. My house is small and its very unsatisfying having to live in such an area with such an overinflated price tag. Western Springs, Willow Springs, Countryside, etc have low crime rates, good police service, decent schools, fair taxes. Just let us choose where we live!!
Anonymous said...
Living in the city is less than desirable. I pay lots of money into mortgage andtaxes and have little to show for it. I live in Garfield Ridge and work lots of ot andside jobs just to make ends meet.My wife also works. Its a shame we can't utilize the schools since we pay for them through taxes. We have no decent restaurants in the area (except portillos) or any movie thearters.I travel to nearby suburebs for most entertainment. My house is small and its very unsatisfying having to live in such an area with such an overinflated price tag. Western Springs, Willow Springs, Countryside, etc have low crime rates, good police service, decent schools, fair taxes. Just let us choose where we live!!
8/07/2007 08:57:00 PM
Agreed! I like you work 2 sometimes 3 jobs! we cannot subject out kids to the hell hole public school system run by daleys "boy toy" arne "dunkin donut" a harvard GED grad! Then daley gives all the billions to illegals time for a revolution what would happen if we all collectively refused to pay the property tax portion for the shit school system what would asshole daley do?
As far as 2211, plumb job and on 2 of the 3 watches nobody does anything - they do not care. On mids, they sleep. On third watch they answer calls - that is about it. The guy on days, he will go to calls, and then he will look for the animals that do not belong.
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You must be talking about that worthless dog "Gloves" I sure hope thats not your idea of a worker. He sure looks cool riding around with those shades and leather gloves....not! He spends more time screwing the folks on 2211 than helping. Its time for that old man to retire and get someone who cares. 2211 3rd watch does a much better job
Anonymous said...
To 8/07 12:47 a.m.
Yes, it is true to some extent. There is a M-1-between mid 20's and mid 30's driving a small red 4dr car (forgot make and model, plates are unknown on all reports) who is hanging around the Jewel and Home Depot at 95th and Pulaski (seen on several video surveillance tapes). He follows old folks from there to a bank, and then home. If they go to a bank before home, he strong arms them as they attempt to go into the house or garage.
There has only been one case in Chicago so far (a week ago), involved a connected PO's family. Evergreen Park and Oak Lawn are checking out 5 separate cases, going back to June. Lots of cooperation between Evergreen, Oak Lawn, Area 2, 022 is happening. This one will get solved soon. A lot of people want this guy, and are working hard on it. Go shopping with the relatives for a while, or tell them to gosomewhere else for a while.
8/07/2007 09:16:00 AM
Thanks for the info and to the others that answered too.I usually go with, when she wants to shop over there. The funny thing is if you look at a lot of the cars parked,you see a lot of fop stickers.Everyone needs to be a little more observant of the area.Maybe we will get lucky and they will follow one of us home.....SURPRISE!!! I am done bitching about the lack of coverage in the area.I am careful coming home.When i go out to run erands/get a pop i drive by and check the coppers and firemens houses that i am friends with and live on the block. Especially the ones i know are working and thier wives and kids are home alone. I know there are a few that do it for me. This incident is a sign of things to come, and we need to comunicate better with each other and try to get rid of some of the problems that keep moving in and "setting up shop" also. Like the 3 flat on 111th and Spaulding that i was told has some goof doing hand to hands during the week. Also in the same house is a f/1 and looks like a m/4 that walk around and are not shy about checking out every house and car they walk by, as if to make note of time and who is home and who drives what car.REAL FUCKING NICE...small kids on the block too. Watch my house and back and i will do the same for you.
FEDUP
Are you kidding? Pilsen is red hot right now, his properties will sell easily, the near south side is real hot also, I can't say the same for the rest of the city.
8/07/2007 02:18:00 PM
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You are on drugs. What idiot can afford the prices they want down there and don't mind all the gangs and guns? Pilsen's #1 for strays hitting babies!
They are called yuppies, you can see them walking down 18th street now every day.
He spends more time screwing the folks on 2211 than helping. Its time for that old man to retire and get someone who cares. 2211 3rd watch does a much better job
8/07/2007 11:18:00 PM
I can tell you that each day I drive to work I see 2211, gloves and all, making street stops. I do not care what he wears, or what you think of him, I'm just glad he is here working.
Far too many police on this beat have let the little things slide; now it is starting to be a problem. If you nip it in the bud early, you can kill the problem all together.
IMO, proactive police work is a lot better than reactive police work.
Why not have the F.O.P. build a trailer court and offer cops cheap rent. It could be a model community.
the residency requirement is a dificult topic, especially wondering who would by the 40,000 homes that would be put up for sale by city workers? But i recently drove 35-40 miles south of chicago and u can get a brand new 3500 sq ft brick home with 4 beds 3 baths for $340,000. And u CAN send your kids to public schools and still get a GOOD education. Ah wishful thinking!!!!
well, they finnally did it. lending standards have been tightened reqireing a 20% downpayment, documentation of income and jumbo loans, 417,000.00 and up, have been suspended indefinatly.
like i said, good luck selling those pilsen properties.
That old man on 2211 can--and will--kick your ass.
to 8:35am
Yea, they could call it the Fermaldahyde Fairway!!!!
"GREAT POINT! The Nationwide rep came to my unit awhile back and I asked if there were other options for investing thru them that they do not publish in their paperwork.
He said no."
Ask them to send you the paperwork for a self directed brokerage account through Charles Schwab. You can take out all but 10K from your Nationwide account and move it to a Schwab account where you can use the funds to purchase whatever you want. They will not tell you because they do not want you to move your money.
I've been on the job for 18 years, I'm white, my wife and I work full time, live in Mt. Greenwood. Let me tell you, all the "animals" out there aren't black or brown! I've got a hillbilly family on my block that I'm praying will leave the pickup running in their garage overnight! The shitkicker music, drinking and other garbage they do in the alley behind their house for half the night is more than I bargained for. I wish a middle class black family would buy them out, they'd be much better neighbors.
" the police will care less and do less if they don't live in the neighborhoods or city that they patrol". That's totally false!!!
umm lets see i spend most of my time in 002 007 010 011 and 015 i sure as hell dont live there yet i still show up for work lock up the offenders take their guns drugs and rides. obviously the above poster must be right b/c apparently im not doing enough to get the crap off the street. but if i didnt have to live here and was able to "escape" Dick m Da(i)ley's playhouse every day i would b alot happier
happy worker = more productive worker
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