FOP Meeting Outrage - Part II
Also revealed at the meeting, the FOP has no access to the SOS dump list. They are interested in finding out if the people who were dumped for allegedly having nine or more CR numbers actually HAD nine or more numbers.
It is rumored that if the numbers were not sustained or unfounded, they shouldn't count against you. If they were sustained, you've already been punished for the transgression and shouldn't have been punished again for the same offense.
Oh, and the Interim Superintendent has declared that NO ONE will be removed from the Behavioral Intervention System for the foreseeable future. So all those people who were actually making the effort to hit all those benchmarks so they could get out of the BIS (anger management, street negotiations, professional counseling, etc.) and maybe move on with their careers? Sorry. And Starks is refusing to meet with the FOP to solve this dispute.
It is rumored that if the numbers were not sustained or unfounded, they shouldn't count against you. If they were sustained, you've already been punished for the transgression and shouldn't have been punished again for the same offense.
Oh, and the Interim Superintendent has declared that NO ONE will be removed from the Behavioral Intervention System for the foreseeable future. So all those people who were actually making the effort to hit all those benchmarks so they could get out of the BIS (anger management, street negotiations, professional counseling, etc.) and maybe move on with their careers? Sorry. And Starks is refusing to meet with the FOP to solve this dispute.
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posted by SCC at 12:09 AM
48 Comments:
I am disgusted.
If this is not a reason to dump these idiots at the FOP when will we learn. How come the firefighters can change their leadership at the drop of a hat?
We need a job action.
SO.......keep doing aggressive police work people.
How come the firefighters can change their leadership at the drop of a hat?
Because they stick together. The Police are a bunch of ego idiots that cant/wont stick together.
I am ashamed of this department and wish I had enough time to leave. If I was younger I would get a real Police Job!
What about at the FOP meeting with the guy, from 023 I think, who said he and other officers were due to get a DC. When they called the names he was told he could not walk to the podium becuase he has too many CR #'s and they did not want his picture taken with the superintendent.
Why isnt the FOP filling unfair labor practice lawsuits. The fop needs to reach down between there legs and see if there is anything there or did the mayor already take there balls away.
Why no picket lines at city construction sites city hall and anyplace the olympic folks will visit. Every union gets a new contract but us. Daley came right out and said he gave the teachers whatever they wanted becuse he was afraid of a strike. Picket lines and following every dept rule and reg stay down on jobs until your finished with the paper.
Some years back- about 20, I was put in the personnel concerns program for no reason at all- not writing enough tickets-, other than a lieutenant did not like me. I did some research and found that it was a violation of and federal labor laws, especially federal labor relations board rulings.
I pulled the cases, especially a ruling from the National Labor Relations Board, and went to FOP.
They told me to suck it up. They were not going to challenge the department on the PC program because it keeps officers from being fired. Worse, they informed me that they would not file an unfair labor practice because the result would be the lieutenant could get fired or even indicted- violating federal labor laws is serious. Also, the lieutenant was a member of the FOP and for the good of the lodge they would not file.
I wound up hiring my own attorney and one year later I was removed from the program and allowed to transfer out of the district. It cost me about two grand. Then I wanted to sue FOP. My attorney told me to drop it as it would go no where- FOP is a Fraternal Organization and their defense would be the good of the lodge. In effect, FOP can be wantonly negligent and fail to provide for its members for the GOOD OF THE LODGE.
FOP will not intervene in the PC or what ever behavior program the city has. They will not do it.
So, all you guys who think FOP is a good organization are kidding yourselves. FOP reeks, it creates a stench- from the National level to the local level. FOP helps no one.
Officers,
You were targeted long ago - try to place where and how much damaged the people undermining any and all confidence in law enforccment have succeeded: The old Commie Saul Alinsky who captivated the media and the Catholic Church so effectively wrote these rules that have been used against you -
Alinsky's Rules for Radicals:
1 ) Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.
2 ) Never go outside the experience of your people. It may result in confusion, fear and retreat.
3 ) Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear and retreat.
4 ) Make the enemy live up to his/her own book of rules.
5 ) Ridicule is man's most potent weapon.
6 ) A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.
7 ) A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.
8 ) Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.
9 ) The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.
10 ) The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.
11 ) If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.
12 ) The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.
13 ) Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it and polarize it.
As a career educator I learned that - bullying must be met with equal force.
Be Careful and respond in kind!
Here’s the problem, The FOP has been warning its members about going to units such as SOS,TRU,TAC, etc. for years. Those units and positions are all management spots which means they can kick you out, change your DOG, start times, work hours, cancel your day off , put you on any watch, etc. etc. and you are not covered or protected by the contract. What Mark D. should do is type up a letter to all FOP members saying that for the good of its members the FOP is demanding that all members return to a unit, district, or position that is fully covered by the contract until this madness from 35th street and the media stops. I know it will never happen but could you imagine if we stuck together and no one took management spots. Who would run the caps office then. Or who would be left to make all there non sense arrests in TRU and TAC? The merit sgt’s?
We need to get rid of this fop
"If this is not a reason to dump these idiots at the FOP when will we learn? How come the firefighters can change their leadership at the drop of a hat?
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Sorry, I'm NOT an FOP guy but we have all got to stick together now.
Work together WITH the FOP and demand what is right.
If we all split up - THAT IS EXACTLY what the city wants up to do.
THEN we all lose folks.
FOP has to go. NOW!
Time for a vote to get rid of these fucks!
This is another case of the FOP being sellouts..They do nothing for us,when are we going to hit home..I myself have no sustained CRs but i pay everday.why do they push me to hate the dept and the kool aid drinkers who run it..Im on the program and all i hear is you must change.The FOP was no help(again).They are friends with Daley and his boys.THey are sellouts.
First, you do not want to dump the idiots who head the FOP. You do want to dump the FOP. FOP is a fraternal organization that has no business being a labor bargaining group. They will only do what is good for the lodge- local, state, and national- not what is good for the membership.
You need to form a real union- one that has the membership's welfare first.
FOP will not file unfair labor practices against bosses who violate state and federal labor laws or rulings by the NLRB. Why? If they did and the ruling was upheld, the boss would be subject to disciplianry action or discharge- violating a law. Also, some laws have criminal sanctions. They will protect the bosses from getting in trouble or indicted and sell you down the river.
The teachers, the CFD, and other unions routinely file unfair labor practice complaints.
FOP has sold us down the river for twenty five years. John Dineed, Bill Nolan, and now Donohugh. We have lost more than we have gained.
While other major departments were getting huge raises, we only got small ones. We had free medical and dental. FOP gave that away- contrary to a arbitrqtion decision by another FOP lodge that said otherwise.
We have lost rights- FOP gave them away.
We keep losing and losing under FOP.
It is time to change horses and find a new union. A real union. Not a Fraternal group.
FOP is nothing more than a group like the VFW, MOOSE, or American Legion.
Time for a vote of no confidence and get rid of these useless hacks.
OFF TOPIC:
please mayor daley, GET RID OF PICARDI and his stooges!!!
I assure you, the CR#s deal was an excuse. There are many SOS guys like me who had less than 6 in five years. We were dumped unfairly. FOP will have no problem getting po's to inform them on how many CR#s they had. The criteria was complete bullshit! Thank God I'm a Northside officer. The South sucks balls!
-SOS guy with ONLY 5 CRs
[b]If this is not a reason to dump these idiots at the FOP when will we learn. How come the firefighters can change their leadership at the drop of a hat?[/b]
I am pretty sure Daley is not to blame for making the FOP your union and keeping it that way. Presumably, you as a group selected the FOP, and if you really wanted to, could change to another union.
I'm also pretty sure Daley did not vote for any of the current leadership of your union. I am only guessing now, but I bet only CPD officers get a vote.
Let's see....nominations for FOP offices are in December...election is in March of next year (5 months away)....oh, yeah, the idiots who want to take over (who happen to work for the likes of Daley and Stroger as their REAL jobs) are getting ready for a run. Hell, even ole Chester showed up at the FOP meeting, so he could get his meetings in to run for office.
Expect a ton of rips on FOP for no apparent reason in the next few months people. It's an election tactic: get you pissed off at the wrong people, and then get you to voluntarily deliver yourselves to the Demo-rat party suckholes. And during the contract negotiations no less.
You've been warned.
This is the same FOP that let Nolan rob and pillage the union. They didn't want to prosecute him saying it would be a "black eye" for the union. Hell, lock the bastard up. He stole from you.
I want to be FAIR SHARE. Stop taking out for my FOP dues!
WE DONT PAY HIGH ENOUGH TAXES!
DEMAND MORE AND HIGHER TAXES!
VOTE DEMOCRAT!
Any younger P.O. how listens to the half a dozen jerks who are using this board to posture for the next FOP election listen to what they say with a grain of salt. There has only been one contract that was ever negotiated with the city. That was the first one with mayor Jane. I had voted for the Teamsters and I thought that they would have gotten us more on the front end. But I think we got more over the long run with FOP. Nationally the Teamsters start with a big splash but end in a dud. When it comes to legal defense and grievances they farm out the work to the lowest legal bidder. Many cities have switched to FOP or other police related organizations. Cities like Detroit and Cleveland are giving stuff back to keep salary and no one has a 365 day medical. Arbitrators will only give you national averages. All of the teachers unions and the trade unions spend PAC money to buy what they want. I will never give this mayor a dime.
Work slow downs will never work because we do almost less than nothing as far as activity goes. They raped the districts to start TRU, Area Mission Teams, CAPS offices, etc. and there is no time to look for anything because of the two dogs working the cars next to you laying down on the radio with the do nothing Sgt. not doing his job. If your district down on movers/parkers they will jut bring in TRU to meet the index.
If you what to bring this city to it’s knees, NO CARS AVAILABLE! No parkers but lock up every BS arrest and do let loose one TVB, take them into the station. Have there be no cars up across the entire city for the whole watch just one night see how fast you get their attention. Laying down isn’t working but be 100% legit with non-income activity and you could bring this city to it’s knees. I’ll be 60 in a couple of months so but I would like for us to stick together for at least one night.
1977 revolver guy
What about at the FOP meeting with the guy, from 023 I think, who said he and other officers were due to get a DC. When they called the names he was told he could not walk to the podium becuase he has too many CR #'s and they did not want his picture taken with the superintendent.
That's a true story. However, n.m., will proberly be in jail this time next year; on a serious sustained beef. So it really dosent matter. Don't cry for him, pal. He makes J.F. look like dudley-fucking-do-right.
Hey pathickey, those are not only Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, read the ART OF WAR. It is basically the same ideas, just tweaked a bit. Outstanding book for anyone that is interested.
Signed,
Sarge
All you malcontents blaming your problems on the FOP can go eat a bowl of ______. Some of you crybabies apparently think that the Firefighter's Local #2 is hot shit because they never re-elect a leader. Why do you suppose that they are way behind on processing grievances and we are not?Why do they always look to our contract but we don't look to their's? You idiots! They get played by the City. To all the officers bitching about the FOP, please name one major city (population over 1 million) where officers are discilplined on a LESS frequent basis than here in Chicago. You can't do it. While you are at it, try to name a City where, when COLA is factored in, officers/detectives make more in base pay/benefits than here in Chicago. You can't do that either. So.....please.......shut up! Better yet, quit.
10/17/2007 09:46:00 AM
I agree again this is true what does FOP actually do?
Anonymous said...
We need to get rid of this fop
10/17/2007 11:35:00 AM
Get the teamsters a real union!
Keep voting a straight (FOP) ticket at election time! LMAO!!
cmdr franklin(003)just sign the honorable mentions and quit kicking them back you goof....nobody wants to hear your war stories while you wear a fannypack!just sign.......
Anonymous said...
cmdr franklin(003)just sign the honorable mentions and quit kicking them back you goof....nobody wants to hear your war stories while you wear a fannypack!just sign.......
Franklin?? He was a piece of shit since way back!! The truth was told about him and people wrote 'oh, he's a good guy'. What a fucking joke.
The only thing you can expect out of Franklin...is the WORST!!
However, n.m., will proberly be in jail this time next year; on a serious sustained beef. So it really dosent matter. Don't cry for him, pal. He makes J.F. look like dudley-fucking-do-right.
10/17/2007 08:23:00 PM
And you make little red riding hood look like a super hero!!
When FlOP comes to roll call to talk their BS get up and walk out. The look on that guys face is priceless!!
Don't post it on here, tell Franklin in his face tough guy! You will be his next war story! John Franklin would kick your pussy ass! Who whines over an Honorable. Take your 2 year tough guy ass over to 6217 S. Calumet and get a war story to tell you fuckin pussy!
Here’s the problem, The FOP has been warning its members about going to units such as SOS,TRU,TAC, etc. for years.
-----------------------------------Here is the real problem. FOP does thisw so their hand picked people can get those spots. Yes, Virginia, FOP has a number of spots to fill for their special people- people like them- who hate the police.
So.....please.......shut up! Better yet, quit.
10/17/2007 11:19:00 PM
Let's see, you must be an FOP tool. Running for office are we?
Look at the facts:
Lost free health care and dental- the best in the country at the time.
Lost wages- for twenty five years we have never had a raise over four percent- do the real math- not FOP fuzzy math.
FOP refuses to file unfair labor practices for severe violations of labor laws.
When other major departments were getting huge raises,FOP got us squat.
FOP has never and will never fight residency- other department unions have and won.
FOP will never target renegade supervisors who routinely violate the contract and labor laws.
FOP will only take grievances they know they can win.
FOP-
Why bother. You are obviously brainwashed.
You don't have to belong to the FOP.
i WANT a contract. i want interest on my money. i want a union that rocks n rolls not one that lies and sleeps with the mayor. i want 3,000 more coppers on the street. i want my boss to show some appreciate for working hard. my boss also needs to go see a physcian to get some meds for that bi polar disorder.
ouchhh!!!!!!!!!
my wife just pinched me and i woke up from my dream.
...I wound up hiring my own attorney and one year later I was removed from the program and allowed to transfer out of the district...
See if you can get your money back. The BIS program only lasts one year if there's no additional incidents.
11:19pm - L.A. gets paid more and can live outside the city. I will continue to cry. Thanks.
it odes amaze many that if you wear a white shirt you are protected all the way a blue shirt then fuck you! "knock knock" "whose there" "Patrick Fitzgerald" ahh yes guess maybe some white shirts will finally join the "Oz prison train"! Great job hiring and promoting clout babies! "are you scared yet"!
"...I'm glad I'm a north side guy, the south sucks balls..."
I'm glad your a north side guy also. We need police who are not afraid of their own shadow on the south side.
Anonymous said...
Hey pathickey, those are not only Alinsky's Rules for Radicals, read the ART OF WAR. It is basically the same ideas, just tweaked a bit. Outstanding book for anyone that is interested.
Signed,
Sarge
10/17/2007 08:57:00 PM
Yep, I recognized that too. Another recommendation: Thick Face, Black Heart.
I'm glad your a north side guy also. We need police who are not afraid of their own shadow on the south side.
No you need some police who give a shit on the south side, it is a cesspool of shit, with the exception of Garfield Ridge and the western part of Mt. Greenwood, which are also getting shitty, nobody cares! funny, you see more and more south siders buying on the northwest side, wonder why? besides 011, 015, 025, and parts of 014, the northside is still pretty nice, sadly the southside can't say the same, every district blows except the west end of 008 and 022.....
All you malcontents blaming your problems on the FOP can go eat a bowl of ______. Some of you crybabies apparently think that the Firefighter's Local #2 is hot shit because they never re-elect a leader. Why do you suppose that they are way behind on processing grievances and we are not?
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Because the FOP doesn't let STRONG grievances go before the review committee. Instead they secretly vote on which grievances will be heard and push too many under the rug.
But the FOP (F*ck of the Police) Organization runs on clout just the same, and they're in bed with the city, too!!!
I wound up hiring my own attorney and one year later I was removed from the program and allowed to transfer out of the district...
See if you can get your money back. The BIS program only lasts one year if there's no additional incidents.
10/18/2007 12:34:00 PM
Yeah, I was wondering WHY you hired an attorney for this?? BIS is just a tag on your name that automatically goes away after 12 months of no trouble... there is nothing an attorney can do for you on it, and I think you wasted that money.... but you also got a lawyer who MUST have known this, but took you for the $ anyway...
Don't post it on here, tell Franklin in his face tough guy! You will be his next war story! John Franklin would kick your pussy ass! Who whines over an Honorable. Take your 2 year tough guy ass over to 6217 S. Calumet and get a war story to tell you fuckin pussy!
10/18/2007 11:10:00 AM
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ahahahahhaha!!!!
Franklin is one of the biggest goofs I've met on this job! and by the way you fucking idiot, 6217 has been down for almost a year! Franklin checking ticket books twice a month, forcing people to write alarms if they haven't wrote any in a while. WHAT A JOKE! Make traffic stops, asking for a car to write tickets WHEN WE ARE IN A RAP. AGAIN WHAT A JOKE!!!
FRANKLIN NEEDS TO GO BACK TO WHEREVER THE FUCK HE CAME FROM!
FRANKLIN IS ALL TALK, SMOKE AND MIRRORS. NICE PRESENTATION BUT HAS NO IDEA HOW TO RUN SHIT! DOES NOT BACK UP HIS OFFICERS. DOES NOT CARE ABOUT ANYONE EXCEPT HIS PRECIOUS IMAGE.
You'll be extremely hard pressed to find a single officer in 003 that has anything nice to say about Franklin. Regardless of what is said about Ernie Brown, he is HUGELY MISSED in 003. I've never, ever heard one bad thing said about him in 003 except how much he is missed. The only shit talking done about Brown is on this bullshit website! BRING BACK ERNIE BROWN.
Oh and Franklin, why don't you meet with the Commander of 006 and ask if his people are told to stay away from 75th st. You douche bag.
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