Police Shooting in 015
Cops OK. Armed OFFENDER dead at scene.
The first test of the new IPRA regime (yes, the name change passed at Tuesday's Council meeting).
Initial reports are that it went relatively smoothly. The head of IPRA made an initial statement, the Orange One was silent and looking very carrot-like, the Interim made a brief appearance, then left and the only stupid questions asked were by the IPRA investigators.
Links at the Tribune, Sun Times, Channel 7
The first test of the new IPRA regime (yes, the name change passed at Tuesday's Council meeting).
Initial reports are that it went relatively smoothly. The head of IPRA made an initial statement, the Orange One was silent and looking very carrot-like, the Interim made a brief appearance, then left and the only stupid questions asked were by the IPRA investigators.
Links at the Tribune, Sun Times, Channel 7
Labels: shooting
posted by SCC at 8:30 AM
87 Comments:
"We want to ensure there is integrity in every investigation," Rosenzweig said
What a totally disrespectful thing to say. Sounds like there was never any integrity until she came along.
Screw you, lady.
So if I am involved in a shooting, do I have to talk to the OPS investigators at the scene?
Seeing as they are "completely seperate" from CPD now, they cannot order me to give a statement as CPD brass could.
The Fifth Amendment also comes into play here.
FOP, want to weigh in?
Go to the chicagotribune.com and click on the link for this story.
Go to the bottom and click on the link where you can read the comments. It is amazing how ignorant citizens can be.
That's how to do it! All 3 officers shoot! I rather be with someone then do it alone if I was being interviewed by this now IPRABCDEFG crap
When was the shooting? Are the coppers that did the shooting ok?
Please ask yourself one question whats more important your family, job, house, sanity, or getting a gun off the street in the ghetto? Westside reverends, bosses, citizens don't care why should you? Go to work and answer your jobs if you have to shoot then do it but they are out to fuck you so be careful.....Why are people still doing proactive policing in ghetto? Go to 016 or 008 and do it.....And anyone that tells me to quit or that im not the police go fuck yourself cause ive learned.....
Looks like Barbara McDonald and Charles Ramsay have finally found Daley a SUCKER in Louisville.
YEE HAW!!!WOO HOO!!! Good Work! And yet another shooting for the year with the desired results. Copper Go Home, Bad Guy doesn't.
>>I don't know if you want to start a new thread or leave this here, but yesterday (11 Nov 07) Area 5 HGS had a closed door roll call. During this roll call certain detectives were informed that future police involved shootings are going to be investigated by OPS and the State's Attorney's Office, while experienced homicide detectives just stand by doing nothing.<<
What a coincidence that this conversation took place in Area 5 HGS then the first police shhoting with IPRA involved occurs in Area 5.
. . the Orange One was silent . .
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Haaa! Still fuckin' hilarious!
Lets all hold our breath and see how the new head of the "new and improved o.p.s."handles the shooting. What she is going to see in this city is that with all of her education and possibly good intentions,nobody that has a brain can deal with the complete ignorance and lunacey that has a voice in this "great city".ie all the street lawers and Reverends(convicted felons),and poverty pimps(Jesssie...Rev. Al..ect.)I give her two years tops before she says to herself..."this Mayor is an idiot and I have never had to deal with so much incompetance in an administration in my life".I am going back to Los Angeles.
After the 1st shooting with the new IPRA/OPS program in place . . I hope the FOP will clarify any problems or violations of the contract, not to mention the "Police Officer's Bill of Rights" aka; STATE LAW that may have occurred at the round-table.
I can't believe this will all go smoothly. Anyone who is out there actively pursuing heads needs theirs examined.
They say he was a up and coming rap star and D.J. But, aren't they all.
I don't know if this is true or not, but I received a e-mail this morning about a person who lives in the 022nd District. It seems she was driving her van with family members inside and was traveling up the 111th ST. off ramp from I-57 when her rear window shattered just missing her daughter. She went to the 022nd District to file a report only to find out that her incident was the third one reported so far.
SCREW IPRA, DALEY, DANA, AND YOU TOO MONIQUE. I HAVE NOT HEARD ANYTHING YET, BUT I MADE THE SIGN OF THE CROSS, THANKING THE LORD THE OFFICERS ARE ALL RIGHT.
STAY SAFE.
the world is a better place!! great job by 015 personal, and tru. tru stood by, the supervisors on scene did an excellant job, and the bosses showed up and did their thing. gotta chuchle to the side when ops (whatever you call it) just looked clueless. however all the officers are going home to their familes and the bad is where he belongs. god bless
Has the Command Chapel been activated?
Why don't we simply expand all crime scenes so that the only"money shot" the media get's to a crime scene is 10 blocks away and completely irrelevant to the story.
I'm glad the officers are ok. Be safe out there!!
Sounds like a text book shooting. Bad guy gets out of vehicle with weapon in hand...po's shoot and bad guy doa. Can't get any better than that boys and girls! Though I am surprised the "reverands" aren't out protesting. After all the bad guy, I mean victim, I mean POS, oops I mean alter boy was obviously not doing anything wrong...doesn't everyone carry around a gun and get out of the car on a traffic stop pointing said gun and officers...than's how it done in the hood after all.
Glad all the good guys are OK!!!
FYI...We have now learned that when a police shooting goes down now, the police are separated from their partners (per OPS) and sequestered in the Area. OPS goes to the scene and investigates with the Police now. The involved Officers are escorted to the bathroom, and back to a secure room. They are sat with until they can be interviewed by necessary personnell. Then and only then, is the round table held. Basically they are "in custody" until they are released.
There is one more step OPS can take, and that is to put them in a locked interview room with a camera on them. This is not a far cry, as OPS wants to be able to gather "more evidence" on Police shootings.
We have seen the future and it does not work....
The police did alright yesterday...bad guy 0 Police 1
Be careful.
Detectives investigated the shooting were ordered (By the ADS) to leave the interview rooms so the OPS investigators could talk to the witnesses without any police personnel present. Also the ADS walked OPS through the crime scene before the detectives were finished with their investigation.
We shall soon put the OPS IPRA rumors to the test eh? Can honestly say the interview wasn't to bad with the new head. Bonus that she is a cougar too! Rarrrrrrr!
When is someone from the department going to step up and tell the news and the reverends what's up. These jags are just normal citizens with a card you can get off the internet for $50. Anyone of us could do it. We should all become reverends so we can get on the news and complain about absolutely nothing that makes sense. Anyone hear their comments.....PUT COMMUNITY PEOPLE ON THE BOARD AT THE ROUND TABLES...........ARE U FUKIN KIDDING ME........
Where is our so sorry of a union at these days? Why no comments against what is being said and all the changes going on? All this press about CPD and these guys are doing absolutely nothing. For christ sake we still don't even have a contract.
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Good shooting boys.....at least there are still some officers doing someting positive. Glad all of them went home safe
I heard a job well done by all involved and whats most important the coppers went home nice and safe to their families.
Great job guys and gals !
That's one for the good guys and zero for the bad guys!
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I.P.R.A.
It's Police-Related? Arrest 'em!
-E. Nigma
Here's a novel idea;ENFORCE LEGAL PARKING ON THE T.V. MEDIA.Make them legally find parking,expand perimeters of crime scenes so the media can't get their shot for the 10 O'CLOCK NEWS.They have declared war on civility and they hate us,so stop pandering to them.
check out the quality reporting on fox website. what a fucking joke! so why didn't she talk to investigators? think about it.
All PO's: The new OPS will be known as IPR amongst us. Adding the 'A' for authority on the end is complete bs and was only added as a scare tactic. So even though the bosses/suckholes will be saying the entire 4 letters(which is kinda long anyway) We should all stick together and call them IPR. Correct your friends at work that say the entire thing. Calling them other profane things(if they start screwing us like the media/reverends do) is cool too.
I have a question. How is it that people like myself, who generally live good lives, have avoided trouble, have held steady jobs since the age of 15, studied in school to attain good grades, can be wrong every single time? I can't remember the last police shooting where some half ass clergyman from "the community" hasn't put on his best pinstriped suit and shit out his mouth the most ridiculous accusations that some life long fuck-up claims he saw. I generally ignore "the community", but I've reached my fill of being preached at by a thug in his Sunday best who "leads" a group of people that is responsible for hundreds of murders, in Chicago alone, a year and I won't even start on the other crimes. Its like watching a pig tell a cat how to keep themselves clean! Straighten out your own house first! I have one thing to say, HUUUUUUUUUUH?
THAT ALBINO LADY ON CHANNEL 7 SAID ALL I SEEN WAS BULLET HOLES.
THE REV SAID NO ONE FROM THE HOOD KNEW ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STOP.
GREAT WITNESSES. REMEMBER PPO TO INCLUDE ALL KNICKNAMES A RAPPER HAS IN THE CASE REPORT VERY IMPORTANT FOR CD SALES.
God bless the po's involved! Glad to hear that they are ok.
This is just what we should see on this blog when something like this happens, NOTHING. It's time to protect ourselves and each other.
Let's give them what they want and see if they like it. No proactive police work, just reactive.
I give it a month or two and this city will be up for grabs. I'm willing to pick up the shit later, just to prove the point
"They are trying to make him look like a criminal cause he has a criminal background"
Said one of the victims girlfriends on NBC5 CHICAGO.
Are you F%$#&@ KIDDING ME! Does she realize how stupid she sounds.
The way some people think really gets me sick. This is NOT sesame street this is real life wake up and smell reality.
Stop trying to pass the buck WTF! If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck chances are it's a duck...
First! I'm glad that the Officers are OK. Has everyone seen this website detailing our wages? This is sick:
http://www.bettergov.org/Research/Employees.aspx
My second favorite community outrage story from FOX....
Arizona
An Arizona Spanish-language radio station is blasting a local police department for what it says is racial profiling: describing the suspect in a series of child rapes as "Hispanic."
"We need specific descriptions because we are radio," she said.
Nieves said using the term Hispanic is not only racial profiling, but also stereotyping.
"We are not racially profiling anybody or anything," said Griner. "For us to change or alter or omit, that is irresponsible on our part. The common goal is to catch this predator and get him off the street."
"Hispanic" refers to an ethnicity, not a race.
"Hispanic could be white, it could be black, it could be dark-skinned complexion," said Mayra Nieves, vice president of programming. "We Hispanics see it that way."
Police won't budge. They say they are following normal procedures for releasing information based on victims' descriptions. Five victims between the ages of 12 and 14 have described their assailant as Hispanic.
Un-fucking believeable
We have to alter our descriptions to not offend. Seems like everyone is offended by something these days.
Don't call me a white guy anymore. I'm more "mother of pearl" If fact, don't call me a guy anymore. I'm asking for better clothes for christmas to lean to the "metrosexual"
a "mother of pearl metrosexual"
Oh, and sorry about the christmas reference. I hope reading the word did not offend your eyes.
This snowball is gonna turn into an avalanche. Who else is fed up with this shit?
what questions if I may ask?
Look out folks, the rev's are claiming no one in the community saw aforementioned traffic stop that lead to this budding star's demise. And...? No one seems to see any of the illegal activities that riddle that community on a daily basis. Rev. Godless, do you mean to tell me that you guys have a community policing program now? And how's that working out?
Thank God the Officers are OK and there's one less future star to contend with.
Come on Rosensweig, the minister;s are calling for justice. Can you give it to them? Can you justify your salary? How will you handle the natives when you have to say the shooting was justified?
This snowball is gonna turn into an avalanche. Who else is fed up with this shit?
11/14/2007 06:23:00 PM
Me!Me!Me!
OK I AM ONLY GOING TO SAY THIS ONCE! IF YOU ARE INVOLOVED IN A SHOOTING DO NOT MAKE ANY STATEMENTS UNTIL A LAWYER IS ON SCENE TO GUIDE YOU.
It's Training Day, honey.
Glad to hear you guys got another fine west side citizen...Good job..Will one of you po's answer a question,has a concealed weapon,hand gun,been reduced to a misdemeanor,or is this still a felony ?? Thanks
So let me get this straight. The new OPS or IRPA or whatever they are calling it now, gives the superintendent their recommendation and he makes the final decision. I thought the new ops or irpa or whatever you want to call it makes that final decision. I guess it's not separate from the police department. Ahhhh...a new conspiracy.
That shooting on the ramp of I-57 is real. I verified it this morning. The fact that the citizen got jacked around by us and ISP is real also.
022 should have realized that the shooter wasn't standing on the expressway when he did the shooting. He had to be on the street or in the alley nearby. They should have flooded the area instead of giving the victim the phone number of ISP.
the chicago police has three police officers that will get a chance to got to jail... incompetent civilian investigators,,,
These ghetto reverands and witnesses make me sick! I heard one say, "The police just came out shooting!" Are you fucking kidding me? Yeah lady, Chicago cops routinely come out shooting on a traffic stop. Don't ya know it's the "in" thing to do nowadays. How stupid can these people be? (Apparently really, really stupid.)
How is it that I know (as I'm sure most non-ghetto people do) to pull to the side of the road if I see blue lights, keep my hands on the steering wheel, and do what the officer tells me? Yet these hood rats find a way to get themseleves killed by the police? I'm sure it has nothing to do with the guns they carry or them not wanting to get caught up.
Glad to hear the officers went home safe.
Signed,
A responsible citizen who's thankfuk you guys are out there protecting us.
9:03, your viewpoint is skewed.
As long as you were going to provide a police comment on a shooting, Camden was the only one who ever did it right. He basically gave a prelude and then a canned "in fear for..." speech, and that is the ONLY thing a police spokesman should say.
But a police spokesman should not be commenting on a shooting investigation whatsoever. It gives the absolute appearance that the CPD had taken a position on the shooting before ANY complete investigation had been or could be conducted.
From the legal standpoint, it is almost evidence that the investigation does not have integrity, because the investigators' employer had already quickly reached a conclusion.
I realize that in the CPD culture of defensiveness Rosenzweig's statement could be taken as an attack on the CPD. I don't think it should be read that way. But it is to say that there were integrity questions in every instance previously, starting with the canned statements of Camden or the flubbed statements of his predecessors and peer.
The real name for IPRA. INCOMPETENT PLAY REVERENDS ASSOCIATION.
wHAT ARE THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THEIR SO CALLED INVESTIGATORS???
Why are civilians allowed to walk through a crime scene? OPS/IpRA whatever you want to call it. This is a crime scene that should be protected that only dics and evidence techs should be allowed to evaluate. What if they disturb the crime scene? Why is a boss walking them through a crime scene? Nobody should be allowed to a crime scene until all evidence is gathered. Are these mopes going to be witneseses and testify? What gives these civilians such expertise? A bachelor's degree in sociology? Their agenda is completely different than ours and their physical presence can potentially harm the case. This is fucked.
I want FOP's opinion on this. I would demand the scene filmed first before you allow them to walk anywhere they want and film them doing this. The whole situation is crazy. Can't wait to retire.
This snowball is gonna turn into an avalanche. Who else is fed up with this shit?
11/14/2007 06:23:00 PM
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me too
Un-fucking believeable
We have to alter our descriptions to not offend. Seems like everyone is offended by something these days.
Don't call me a white guy anymore. I'm more "mother of pearl" If fact, don't call me a guy anymore. I'm asking for better clothes for christmas to lean to the "metrosexual"
a "mother of pearl metrosexual"
Oh, and sorry about the christmas reference. I hope reading the word did not offend your eyes.
This snowball is gonna turn into an avalanche. Who else is fed up with this shit?
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I think for winter I want to be called Christmas snow. For fall since I am Hispanic I want to be called latte. For summer perhaps, cafe mocha and for spring, what the hell, call me cafe con leche.
Look out folks, the rev's are claiming no one in the community saw aforementioned traffic stop that lead to this budding star's demise. And...? No one seems to see any of the illegal activities that riddle that community on a daily basis. Rev. Godless, do you mean to tell me that you guys have a community policing program now? And how's that working out?
Thank God the Officers are OK and there's one less future star to contend with.
11/14/2007 07:18:00 PM
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Please don't tell me he is a honor student on his way to help his grandma and mamma swears up and down he's no gangbanger.
WOW I cant believe noone caught her commit on the news ! She stated that" a gun was PUT on the scene" what happened to a gun was recovered on the scene!!!! Huge thing to miss My fellow officers!
Anonymous said...
Detectives investigated the shooting were ordered (By the ADS) to leave the interview rooms so the OPS investigators could talk to the witnesses without any police personnel present. Also the ADS walked OPS through the crime scene before the detectives were finished with their investigation.
11/14/2007 03:14:00 PM
Who was the asshole ads? Clout baby?
if there was no traffic stop why did the budding young rap star exit his vehicle?
"They're tryin' to make him look like a clown, just cuz he got a clown suit on." just an analogy
Off topic.....If John McCain wins the nomination, we should think about backing him if for only one reason....In John Kass's column of 13 November, McCain says that if he were to be elected President, he would keep (or reappoint) Fitzgerald as US Attorney. He says that the corruption work that has been done under Fitzgerald is something that is needed and he praises Fitz pretty highly. Romney, when asked the same question by Don Wade, hemmed and hawed saying he was not in a position to be naming US Attorneys. Nice dance, Mitt. McCain has some shortcomings, as they all do, but he went through POW captivity so that means he must be a tough dude. But the longer Fitz is in office, the longer Daley squirms while those around him burn.
Anonymous said...
FYI...We have now learned that when a police shooting goes down now, the police are separated from their partners (per OPS) and sequestered in the Area. OPS goes to the scene and investigates with the Police now. The involved Officers are escorted to the bathroom, and back to a secure room. They are sat with until they can be interviewed by necessary personnell. Then and only then, is the round table held. Basically they are "in custody" until they are released.
There is one more step OPS can take, and that is to put them in a locked interview room with a camera on them. This is not a far cry, as OPS wants to be able to gather "more evidence" on Police shootings.
We have seen the future and it does not work....
The police did alright yesterday...bad guy 0 Police 1
Be careful.
11/14/2007 03:04:00 PM
If that happens, I will not offer a statement. I will lose my job. And sue the living crap out of the city for arresting me and violating MY rights. And win. And not have to work again.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-copshoot_14_webnov14,0,6912579.story
COPY AND PASTE TO YOUR BROWSER...
Boy, the leader of the new OPS made an ass of herself. Public speaking was not one of her strong points I see.
It's amazing how the Citizens and these goofy fucking wannabe "REVERENDS/PASTORS" feel it neccessary to involve "Citizens" in the roundtable. Can you imagine being questioned by the unqualifed, uneducated goofs, who will most likely taint the investigation or violate an officer rights? It's like we're guilty before proven innocent.
These fucking goofballs who have no idea what it's like to deal with these fucking criminal animals. Do these "MEN OF GOD" (HA-What a joke!)think that we go to work and Patrol the Streets like fucking "JUDGE DREAD"? Even though that would be great and probably reduce crime dramatically. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE DO!
Do we ask people to shoot at us with their UNAUTHORIZED, UNREGISTERED GUNs? Oh! That's right, we're supposed to give them a chance to shoot first and kill one of us before it's ok to defend ourselves.
As for these African American Ministers/Reverands/Pastors? More than half these fucking goofballs have criminal records. What? Did they forget all the VIOLENT crime they committed against the innocent before they became a so called pastor?
Give me a fucking break.
WHERE THE FUCK IS OUR PUSSY ASS UNION!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE'RE ARE DOOMED!
Unless they're not flying out of town to golf, GOLF SEASON IS OVER FOR NOW! Get to work F.O.P. That's what we pay dues for!
FYI...We have now learned that when a police shooting goes down now, the police are separated from their partners (per OPS) and sequestered in the Area. OPS goes to the scene and investigates with the Police now. The involved Officers are escorted to the bathroom, and back to a secure room. They are sat with until they can be interviewed by necessary personnell. Then and only then, is the round table held. Basically they are "in custody" until they are released.
There is one more step OPS can take, and that is to put them in a locked interview room with a camera on them. This is not a far cry, as OPS wants to be able to gather "more evidence" on Police shootings.
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This is scary. Very scary.
I have an idea. If you are involved in a shooting, face it; you are suseptable to Post Traumatic Stress Disorder. This is both a mental and a physical disorder. PTSD is the real deal; it occurrs almost instantly. Increases in blood pressure, heart rate, palpitations, sweating, nausea, etc are not normal atypical conditions for a person. They can lead to more serious shit like chest pain, memory loss, image skewing, etc.
Bottom line is that you don't feel well. You ask to go to the hospital. You FILE a workmen's comp case. Your counsel meets you at the hospital and tells you not to speak to anyone.
OK, then the jagoff OPS/IPRA/OPRAH crew shows up. Any criminal stuff is covered under the peace officer disciplinary act and applicable case law (like Garrity). Any fruit that they get from you that they apply to the civil/administrative action can be made forbidden. If you are sick, in PTSD distress, or under medication, how can a statement be judged to be true/knowing/willing when you are not in a physical condition to give an informed statement? When it gets to civil court or the police board, your counsel can shoot lots of holes in it.
Time is your friend. The more time you can put between the event and the interview. Distance scene vs. hospital, barriers that can fuck up IPRA such as your jagoff lawyer, the better off you are.
Heres another idea: If those cocksuckers lock you in a camera covered room, ask them point blank: am I under arrest? If I am not under arrest, why the locked and video surveiled room? Why can't we talk in the lunch room? My Sgts office? Your offical position does not mean you check your constitutional rights at the door!
Say something like: I dont like small confined rooms, I am getting sick, I need to go to the hospital. When you pinch bro-ham they pull this shit on you. Give it right back to IPRA. Hit the medical!
Fuck these people right where they sit!
Just trying to help. No flames please. Stay safe and be well guys!
From a concerned County Police Sergeant,
CCSPD AFSCME Local 3953
Since the investigators are totally separate from US, are we now going to be able to envoke our fifth amendment rights? Can we lawyer up like joe shithead on the street without being ordered to give a statement. It will be interesting to see how our fearlees F.O.P. stands on this matter...but they can't even handle arbitration matters, much less our rights!! Mo money fo Da-na-hoe and his cronies!
Anonymous said...
Here's a novel idea;ENFORCE LEGAL PARKING ON THE T.V. MEDIA.Make them legally find parking,expand perimeters of crime scenes so the media can't get their shot for the 10 O'CLOCK NEWS.They have declared war on civility and they hate us,so stop pandering to them.
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Technically, the MEDIA IS REQUIRED TO PARK LEGALLY ALL THE TIME WITH ONE EXCEPTION > That's when you're working a "DETAIL", and in the written order for that day, there's a location (A Specific Designated Location) for "MEDIA STAGING".
So, technically, you can write a media truck/vehicle anytiime they're parked illegally unless it's a big event (Detail), and MEDIA STAGING has been designated.
There should be something set up by command staff during Shooting Incidents as it related to "Media Staging". There are times where they get a better parking spot then some of the officers assisting. Then if you're inexperienced and no backbone, you let them get a front row seat -WRONG! We call the shots - better yet, like the officer's great suggestion (I'm sure it wasnt a boss!) EXPAND THE PERIMETER of the Crime Scene, anyone who breaches this? Obstruction charges to follow!
The day drug dealers show up on your corner, gangbangers start doing shootings that kill your daughter/son hundreds of people start walking around and drinking in paper bags. I guess you will cherish the Police. What a bunch of dumb people we have here in Chicago. Have you not noticed that these things only happen in drug infested high crime areas??? And only certain people are protesting them?? These "Reverands", and "Activist" need to do a beter job at helping their neighbors. Eureka, Eureka!!!! I have the solution. Make all the drug dealers and criminals get Nine to five jobs so they are not on the streets commiting crimes. Or Better yet lets put the Police out of Business. How about let's obey the law!!! This way we can put away all these bad Police Officers. I commend the Men and Women of the Chicago Police Department, specially the ones that work in the rough areas. I am glad I live in a city where the thugs fear the Sea Of Blue that wreak Havoc on them. Here is another concept, Chris Rock should be taken seriously while Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson be looked at like the clowns that they are. Google Chris Rock "How Not to getyour **** kicked by the Police". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gCCjFbFXn8
Officers, Please keep up the good work. Do not let these thugs get the better of you. Please reach out to the good people in your communities. I promise we will support you. There are more of us then them. We need to stick together just like the scumbags do.
HELLO FOP!!!!!!! How about a statement boys. What are POs supposed to do. Give us some direction please. Are we required to make a statement to the new OPS? I would think not, but what if we are ordered to give one by an ADS? And why are you letting OPS, or whatever it's called, conduct an "investigation" before the detectives have interviewed all witnesses. The detectives are conducting a criminal investigation. Why does an administrative investigation take precedence? Speak up FOP.
I guess the good thing is that the IPR is not giving a lot of info about the shooting to the media. Chanel 7 reporter thomas(the black guy) said "she, being from L.A., doesn't know, she doesn't know."
"The Rev. Marshall Hatch, who joined several local ministers at a news conference, said there were big differences between officers and residents in their accounts of what occurred"
NO FUCKING KIDDING!!!!!
HATER said...
THAT ALBINO LADY ON CHANNEL 7 SAID ALL I SEEN WAS BULLET HOLES.
THE REV SAID NO ONE FROM THE HOOD KNEW ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STOP.
GREAT WITNESSES. REMEMBER PPO TO INCLUDE ALL KNICKNAMES A RAPPER HAS IN THE CASE REPORT VERY IMPORTANT FOR CD SALES.
11/14/2007 06:07:00 PM
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I didn't know white people lived in the Austin neighborhood or as they call it east oak park
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! What an embarrassing bunch of hysterical panic stricken pussies. It is beginning to be embarrassing being a Chicago police officer
How about "iprah" as this org. name/nickname. Maybe the real "Oprah" or even better "moprah" can be a special guest moderator.
CYA
I think the OPS or whatever they want to be called is trying to treat the police officer involved in a shooting just like any other witness - and it seems like a little tilt toward treating them like an offender - it may be ill advised, but it is probably an attempt to increase the objectivity and thoroughness of the investigation... That being said, being involved in a shooting, no matter what the outcome, IS A TRAUMATIC situation for a police officer and perhaps someone should let them know that ISOLATING these officers at that time could have LONG TERM effects, negative - mental health effects on the officer. It isn't comfortable to be separated from the other officers involved in the shooting, but perhaps Peer Support or someone needs to be with that officer while waiting to be basically interrogated as a part of the investigation.
Having been involved in a shooting I can tell you that my recollection of the incident by the time of the trial was a little different than what I said on the night in question. I am not saying that I was untruthful on the night in question, but that two years later, I remembered it differently.
At any rate, you are in a high anxiety state, which being considered as an offender can only make that worse... SOMEONE needs to be with the officers, they absolutely shouldn't be left ALONE in a room.
We have now learned that when a police shooting goes down now, the police are separated from their partners (per OPS) and sequestered in the Area.
****Sounds like a civil rights violation to me.
You should be emailing/faxing all of this info to the FOP. They better jump in to get this shit straight.
I guess the good thing is that the IPR is not giving a lot of info about the shooting to the media. Chanel 7 reporter thomas(the black guy) said "she, being from L.A., doesn't know, she doesn't know."
HE SHOWED UP TO A CRIME SCENE I WAS GUARDING A FEW YEARS AGO, I WISH I HAD MY PHONE ON ME, HE WAS SO IGNORANT AND UNPROFESSIONAL, I WAS ACTUALLY SHOCKED,HE WAS SCREAMING AT PEOPLE, I WAS A LITTLE EMBARRASSED FOR HIM. I HOPE THE REST OF US FOLLOW THE LEAD AND STOP POSTING SHIT THAT CAN BE USED BY THE MEDIA ON HERE, MOST OF WHICH ISN'T TRUE ANYWAY.
From a concerned County Police Sergeant,
CCSPD AFSCME Local 3953
11/14/2007 10:35:00 PM
I like your thinking great ideas thanks!
We have to alter our descriptions to not offend. Seems like everyone is offended by something these days.
Don't call me a white guy anymore. I'm more "mother of pearl"
THAT'S PRETTY FUNNY.
im a cardiac nurse and wife of po. I think anyone involved in shooting (po) should state that they have chest pain radiating to back and arms. shortness of breath tingling going down to arm. act like your hyperventilating . Complain of nausea and vomiting. Your vitals will be raised because of stress reaction. When you arrive to ER complain of difficulty breathing and severe chest pain. Most likely you'll get a few doses of morphine and then any statement are under sedation/influence of narcotics. It is most hospital standards to give morphine for unrelenting chest pain. keep complainig of pain to you get morphine or dilaudid. It will give you a few days in the hospital to do a full cardiac work up. a doctor can not tell the difference of heart attack or panic attack until all test are completed. State that you keep having attacks of pain. It will probably give you at least 2 days in the hospital and free of ipr/ops. when someone tries to ask you questions ask the nurse or doctor to have them removed(they are causing you more chest pain. If you keep shaking your leg at steady pace in bed it will raise your heart rate on monitor. (you have a nervous tick)nn If they refuse to leave have the nurse or doctor document it in their charting and call for assitance. If a patient asks for a person to be removed if not under arrest, everyone must get out or we will have securitiy(which is a joke but they will call the police for help) remove them. you have as a right as a patient to limit yourself to named visitors or family only. You also have a right to not have you name in the computer system so your room number will not be given out. This will give you all time to speak to needed bosses/ lawyers fop etc. every dope addict on west/south side no the routine for chest pain it about time you do too. We have insurance so take advantage of the time in the hospital to keep your familys insurance and pay check. hope this helps since everyone else seems to know how to fake a heart attack except working people.
This society is so fucked!
Example:
I recall a news story last month (Drudge Report)
Whereby, an 80+ year old scientist (former nobel prize recipient)said in an interview there are biological differences between white's and black's.
NOTE: He didn't say whites are superior, blacks are inferior OR vise-versa.
Just made the comment.
Every member of the "Politically Correct" crowd worldwide (world leaders,politicians,scientists,college professors,reverends, etc.)villified this guy calling him senile and a quack and a racist bigot, etc!
Now I may not be a biologist but I had a high school and college biology class.
If there were no biological differences between us we would be ALL Black OR ALL White. But wait, there are subtle differences in our DNA, hence whites and blacks.
It's beautiful. Gods design perhaps. Why all the denial?
It's like saying there are no differences between the sexes. I beg to differ. I have a penis that sometimes clouds my judgement and in contrast it doesn't bleed monthly as a vagina does.
Now social scientists have been making excuses for decades trying to explain every noticable difference between groups of people. Example: Environment(learned behavior) vs. biology(engrained in our DNA) etc.
Remember the movie "trading places?" The rich Duke brothers adopt Eddie Murphy's character (a homeless, convict thug and turn him into a refined stock trader.)They bet $1.00 to see who's theory was correct.
My whole point raises the question,
why is it mostly black and hispanic subjects being shot by police?
why is it that "black-on-black" violence is higher than "white-on-white" violence?
Why do Naperville,Winnetka, or Oakbrook seldom see drive by shootings?
Why do Austin and Englewood have dozens of "drive-by's" a month?
WHAT IS THE COMMON DENOMINATOR..
Other than money(economic factors)?
Good job officers!Don't watch the news it will just piss you off!
2 points:
1. Anyone who says they did not see the traffic stop is not an eyewitness.
2. READ THE ORDER! Give the cursory "One-on one" verbal statement to your supervisor, then CLAM UP!
You want to get the message out of how messed up things are in the hood, just the 3rd watch call in sick on a certain day, and have others call in 2 days before and 2 days after and no one basically show up for work. The Revs can take to the street and see how life in their hood really is like. Maybe then they will appreciate the police. Hmmmmmm blue flu is coming on, I feel it.
To the County Sarg....That was some good info, Thanks!!! Hope i never have to do it, but if push comes to shove, then you do what you have to do! Very good info for the new ones on the job!!!!! Thanks Again!!
The sky is falling, the sky is falling! What an embarrassing bunch of hysterical panic stricken pussies. It is beginning to be embarrassing being a Chicago police officer
11/15/2007 12:07:00 AM
Why would you say that? There is some new policy, which HAS NOT BEEN WRITTEN, NOR HAS ANY MEMBER OF THIS DEPARTMENT BEEN MADE AWARE OF EXACTLY WHAT IT IS.. and the policy is mostly aimed at the one kind of incident which we could be involved in which can lead to some really bad things if not handled correctly... Believe me, there HAVE been CPD guys who have SERVED HARD TIME due to a shooting, not in recent years but it has happened... I am sure most coppers wouldn't want to spend any time in prison ... and other than actually committing a crime - getting involved in a shooting - even when you believe you are right, can end up putting you on trial or in jail.. so, if, whoever you are, you realized this, you might be concerned about the change in policy and how it would affect you after one of the most traumatic events you can ever experience on this job.
I don't blame anyone for feeling insecure and unsafe under the present circumstances.
Your comment is ridiculous, and I just hope you don't find yourself in the trick bag one of these days...
"Your comment is ridiculous, and I just hope you don't find yourself in the trick bag one of these days...
11/15/2007 07:20:00 PM"
IF ONE DAY HE /SHE IS THEY'LL BE THE 1ST CRYING OH WOE IS ME& WILL BE PUSHING THE RAFFLE TICKETS @ THEIR OWN BENEFIT STATING,"C'MON GUYS DIG DEEP I GOT A COUPLE OF KIDS @ ST. ROTTENCROTCH I NEED THE SUPPORT ANYTHNG YOU CAN GIVE. C'MON GUYS PLEASE I'M HURTING THE WIFES GOT TWO MORE ON THE WAY"!!
WHAT IS THE COMMON DENOMINATOR..
Other than money(economic factors)?
Oooooh, ME! ME! Call on ME! (waving hand in the air)
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