Mayor Opens the Door?
Could this be a mistake? A mistake that the FOP and a smart lawyer could take advantage of? From the Sun Times 04 December:
Residency.
Hey, don't blame us. The mayor brought it up. And if he can compare salaries around the city, county, state and nation, it'd be irresponsible for us to not compare the rules and regulations governing officers in those same jurisdictions and why a state law that only applies to Chicago police officers removes one of the most basic freedoms - the freedom to choose where to live.
- Mayor Daley today defended his decision to pay a record-high $300,000 — $83,790 more than the mayor’s salary — to the career FBI agent he has chosen to clean up the Chicago Police Department.
Today, the mayor came to an unrelated City Hall news conference armed with the salaries of suburban and other big-city police chiefs. Asked about Weis, Daley pulled the list out of his pocket and read the salaries aloud to justify his claim that the police superintendent’s current salary is too low.
“Highland Park: $126,00 for a police chief. How many people live there? [31,365]. Lake Forest: $119,000. Barrington: $113,000. Los Angeles: $300,000,” the mayor said.
Residency.
Hey, don't blame us. The mayor brought it up. And if he can compare salaries around the city, county, state and nation, it'd be irresponsible for us to not compare the rules and regulations governing officers in those same jurisdictions and why a state law that only applies to Chicago police officers removes one of the most basic freedoms - the freedom to choose where to live.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
66 Comments:
FUCK YES SCC! Anyone email FOP about this? you know good and god damn well they wont piece this one together on their own. I swear I saw a short bus pulling in front of the union hall today and out jumped every elected union official!
Well one of the complaints of street sergeants is that they often have to cover more than one sector. If that is the case shouldn't they get double pay for that shift.
I hope this guy is worth it..
Rumor is the CPD is on the verge of Federal Consent Decree and Daley had no choice.
Who can put a price on freedom? Daley can, that's who.
300K for a G-Man to babysit his corrupt coppers. Peanuts. 125K or so to keep the Revs happy and some more chump change to please the rest of his headaches. Keep the G off his ass and, more importantly, his ass out fo the slammer...priceless.
For everything thing else there's taxes.
The FIRE DEPARTMENT get extra pay for higher learning 5% here and their! SHOW US THE MONEY
That means the FOP would have to bring this up right?Thats the part that scares me,maybe they will surprise me and do something.
I know, I know, I KNOW!!! I know that when I signed up that there was residency. Since then, I grew up, started a family, AND WANT TO MOVE THE HELL OUT OF HERE. To the litany of "dah, you knew" and "dah, where are you gonna go" naysayers, it does not change the fact that WE CANNOT CHOOSE WHERE WE LIVE. Whether or not you agree with my reasoning, you MUST agree with the simple fact that we ALL are deprived of a simple right.... And to the "dah, get another job if yo don't like it" folks, if that is the best you can do, I sincerely hope YOU get another job.... I would rather CHANGE this situation for the betterment of all than simply deal with the status quo. Dah that!
You are damned right. If we are going to put stuff on the table...LET'S PUT IT ALL ON THE TABLE. While we are talking about it, how about the typical Aldermanic raises of 35% or so? I certainly would settle for that!
i think that it has more to do that just residency. i think that if he wants to compare things i think it is a perfect time considering we are negotiating a contract and are currently working without a contract. i think that anythime the city has a sticking point we just have to compaer to other cities.
sure i think the Sup. should make at least 300k a year.
I also believe that Daly should increase my pay to at least 200k a year. Forget residency
fuck king richie. he gets away with everything anyway. when asked why we cant live outside the city he will just go on some sort of rant that nobody can make sense of. when asked about our contract he will start screaming, hair flying,foaming at the mouth like a mad dog of some kind. face it, as long as the king is in power we will get very little from him. thats just how it is.
Sounds like da Mayor is shooting himself in the foot justifying this guy!
Can't wait to see what our new contract brings!
I just hope someone from FOP videotaped or tivoed what the mayor said so we can play it at contract talks or for the arbitrator, "If you wnat the best, you have to pay for it." He has also said on occasion that we are the best Dept. in the country, and evry Sup. I can remeber has siad so too. Ok, pay us like we're the best. HAs Santa come to town?
Pallidin
Your new Sup isn't worth the $10.00coiff he road in with!
Pay us more for doing less!! Thats the attitude boys and girls. Where would we be in the job market if it werent for this job.LoL!!!!!
YAAAAA!!!!!
A "challenge" is one thing, Mr. Weis. An insurmountable clusterfuck is another.
There are premiere "police executives" that wouldn't take your job for a million bucks a year. It's so ironic that your most formidable obstacle to any meaningful reforms will be none other than da mare himself--Richard M. Daley.
Welcome to Chicago, sir. You have the dubious distinction of attempting to manage the most mismanaged, politically corrupt, clout-infested, major law enforcement agency in the nation.
Anyone but Jesus Christ Himself would be in way over their heads.
CLOUT is so deeply entrenched in the fiber of this city, it would take an Act of God to even minimize corrupt political influence on the assignments and promotions of incompetent political hacks and sycophantic borderline morons.
It's called "THE CHICAGO WAY!" Good luck, Jody...and may God have mercy on your soul!
300k a year...I'm suprised da mayor paid that. You couldnt wedge toothpick in the mayors ass with a sledgehammer.
And why will we let FlOP and the city screw us on the next contract that we get 4 years from now?
Because we do not stick together.
Don't bother the officials at FOP, they'll tell you when they want to hear from you. Right now they are extremely busy representing your interests by attending numerous Christmas functions and parties. Not to mention the letters to Santa project. So lighten up, you guys think that the FOP officials have to trouble theirselves with such mundane matters as hours, wages and other conditions of employment.
bla bla bla.....nothing is gonna change, even though it should...
12/06/2007 01:30:00 AM
I agree. Residency was on the books when I came on too, just like everybody else. But also, college was NOT required. I took promotional tests & made Sgt before they instituted the college requirement. Having to raise a family and work several side jobs, college was not an option for me. Also, I was paying NOTHING for health insurance. The city wanted to make it $1 a paycheck. We argued & fought, but the FOP said "it's only a dollar", knowing damn well as soon as they got their foot in the door, they'd increase it as they saw fit.
Point being, the city can change the rules whenever it works for them, why can't we try the same. We need PROFESSIONAL labor negotiators, not FOP hacks!
daley will pay anything using "our money" to keep himself and his criminal crew out of prison and he hopes the new supt helps him! The sooner daley goes to jail the better!
I wonder if the new supe has a residency clause in HIS contract?
Anonymous said...
Rumor is the CPD is on the verge of Federal Consent Decree and Daley had no choice.
12/05/2007 11:46:00 PM
blow it out your ass.
and the world will end in 2012.
smoke another joint.
since the public thinks that we are out of control, on duty and off duty.
why not get rid of the residency, and let Itasca, Gurnee , Park Ridge deal with our asses.
or maybe us cpd need to live out of the city, to give us a break from the crazy shit. maybe an officer will be able to put up with more , knowing he can go home to a peaceful neighborhood,and not have to deal with all the commotion of the big city.
if you subject an individual , 24 hours a day to problems and arguing. you are bound to blow a gasket.
think about that mayor, give us the peace and quiet we need to , refresh our minds.
Send this to the FOP, then to the arbitartor that will finally settle our contract. Don't settle for anything less then 5% a year increase in salary and freeze our medical. 20 years at 80%.
hey 11:45pm you asshat,beat officers cover all three sectors for less pay than you, you do nothing asshole,go complain to someone that might listen to you.
Pay him a billion, will it make a difference at my level a veteran kma club member blue shirt? NO! He will come in talk a good game but the same clout bosses will do whatever they want and as always get away with anything! Nothing at me level will change so I could careless who is the "boss"! Lets hope though at least some of the fatasses are forced to retire! Then daley will give them better jobs ala starks with no education a product of extrorsion to the daley machine, a rev. dream guy that is what keeps starks able to do whatever!
Be careful comparing everything boys and girls, we have the best medical of any department in the country. Most departments give you 12 days a year, the city has been trying to go to that for 20 years.
People keep abusing the medical the way they are and it will be gone.
Anybody complaining about salary on this blog actually do some comparisons? That would be helpful.
As one of those lawyers that some of you love to hate,I should say that I agree with you.
If they put me in charge of the CPD, the first thing I'd do is give you all a hefty raise. Next, I'd establish a realistic overtime policy. Then I'd figure out some way to pay a premium to officers who work bad shifts, or in difficult districts. And the residency rule would be history.
Right now, the City takes advantage of the fact that many of you went into police work because you believe in it, and are therefore willing to work at a discount. To me, that seems ass-backwards. A commitment to public service should be rewarded financially, not punished.
Demand more from the City. You'll have some unlikely allies. Some of us, at least, realize that you get what you pay for. And if we give police officers the pay and working conditions they deserve, it's good for everyone.
Happy police officers are good police officers.
Is it true we are the only dept in the state and out of the larger depts that does not have 20 and out at 70% or better?
FOP will tell you that they cannot do that. We are governed by comparisons to Rockford and Peotone or some other podunk town. BTDT with them. Useless comes to mind when I think FOP.
Does this mean we all get a raise?
Would it be crazy to give up 4yrs of raises for residency?
I'm sure people will jump on this,but if we have to give something to get something and it was agreed to,its 4yrs,most cops will do 20-25,is 4ys that bad in the big picture?
Someone please give this poor G-man a clue.
Without the benefit of the 7th Cavalry, Mr. Weis is the reincarnation of G.A. Custer on a casual trot towards Little Bighorn.
At least Custer had no problem identifying the Sioux led by Sitting Bull(shit), nka: hizzoner.
Short, chubby, disheveled, stuttering man speak with forked tongue, Jody.
I should just let you crybabies move out of the city!!! You can go to Orland, Homer Glen, etc.. and pay 2.8% property taxes. Good luck paying 10-15K every year for taxes, sure you would save on education, but that ends and your still in your house paying more for taxes. Your taxes are a bargain in the city, so keep whining and ill move you out, buy your house at a cut rate price because no one else will want it, and when you have to move back because you can't afford the suburbs i'll make a tidy profit....
Thanks Da Mayor!!!!!!
blow it out your ass.
and the world will end in 2012.
smoke another joint.
12/06/2007 09:55:00 AM
Bathroom's down the hall. Go in there and go fuck your self.
I am going to start listening to these "no college coppers."
I wonder how many of them tell their own children not to go to college either. Hey kids; don't work hard, don't study, have some children before you get married and don't worry you will be more than qualified to work on the CPD. You will be the real police!
in response to quote by de mayor
hey asswipe im already paying 10,000 in taxes up in edison park.
Daleys next press conference will be about his new raise because he will wonder how a Police superintendant can make more than the mayor.
Dear Da Mayor:
We in Orland Park pay approx. 2% in property taxes. New 3500 sq ft. house, paid $400,000. Taxes,$5000. Orland park refunds 100% of its portion. approx. $300. Would most likeley still send my children to catholic schools, if I had resided here when they were in school, no savings there. To offset, the property taxes, my State Farm auto insurance was reduced by 1/3, savings $1000 for two vehicles. It is not cheap living here and there assholes everywhere. but it is where the majority of middle-class people reside. The scenery is not like Utah but much better than Western Ave.
Retired
Anonymous said...
Would it be crazy to give up 4yrs of raises for residency?
I'm sure people will jump on this,but if we have to give something to get something and it was agreed to,its 4yrs,most cops will do 20-25,is 4ys that bad in the big picture?
12/06/2007 04:24:00 PM
Not me 4 yaers raises buy some more hair gel and if you can move go out and pay 8-15K a year in taxes,more for water,more for garbage,more fuel back and forth! I am not giving up my raises how about you apply in the burbs and be the police yes that's the ticket clown!
Why give up anything? We need no residency and more money. Let's pretend we are suburban coppers that don't need side jobs to survive and live in 5000 sq foot new homes (not in Garfield Ridge) for a few minutes. Can we please?
Problem is now, we would not all be able to dump our houses for what we have into them.
Dis Second City Cop blog is just plain silly. Silly, silly, silly.
Oooops! Second City Cop??? I don't know what you're talkin' about. You're just silly. Silly, silly, silly.
That's silly. I don't know nuthin'.
I'm leavin' for Italy--one of dos Olympic fact-finding things in Milan.
Hasta la vista, au revoir, ciao, whatever!
It would be interesting to see how far home prices would drop in Beverly, Mount Greenwood, Clearing, etc. if the residency rule is abolished.
It's called "THE CHICAGO WAY!" Good luck, Jody...and may God have mercy on your soul!
12/06/2007 08:57:00 AM
Nah, just think. By the time he tries to make a difference, gives up or gets fired when or if he doesn't play Daley's clout game, he will have made close to a million dollars. Then he can write a book about the corruption in ChiCAHgo! Not too shabby.
12/06/2007 01:56:00 PM
THANK YOU!!
Isn't residency a State law that the Mayor or the FOP cannot change on their own?
"Were all in this together" A new book by James Keating. If you have never had any contact with the fbi during your carrer this book is a must. You will see exactly what you have coming with Weis. The story is about an Area 1 Homicide where two dets are forced to work with the fbi when an fbi agent is murdered along with a CPD Officer. Read it, then ask anyone who has experienced the fbi if it's accurate, I know they'll say it is. Keating is a former CCSPD officer who is currently incarserated for corruption, but he hits the nail on the head. Any comments from anyone who read the book?
Daley trying to buy his way out of trouble with the taxpayers money, as usual. Complete Federal oversight now.
It's pretty amazing that illegal aliens can live in Chicago, or any place else, but CPD Police Officers can't. What a country, what a city. Disgraceful.
Fuck this City, living in Shitcago is like living behind the Iron Curtin decades ago.
I agree with you SCC but Add Joliet City coppers to the list. They have residency too.
For starters lets run the department without clout. Treat all members fair weather they have clout or not.
The fire dept will always do better then the CPD, because the daly's love the fire dept.
6 day workweek!!!!!!!!!!!
12/07/2007 12:55:00 AM
81 days a yaer if that many "hey tony we need jobs 4,000+ no work and a few no show" Join the CFD!
Anonymous said...
in response to quote by de mayor
hey asswipe im already paying 10,000 in taxes up in edison park.
12/06/2007 06:01:00 PM
what do you live in a mansion?
Modern day Pullman.
Maybe it's just me, but if our salary reaches the Maximum at 25yrs shouldn't retirement be the same! Residency should be removed Da Mayor and his developer buddies wouldn't miss the taxes from all the city workers leaving town, just look downtown near Da Mayor residence with all the pricy condos going up. I can't afford one of them low 300's - $$$$$$$$$$
"Is it true we are the only dept in the state and out of the larger depts that does not have 20 and out at 70% or better?"
12/06/2007 02:01:00 PM
Apparently not true. The Illinois State Police has 20 and out with 50%, 25 and out with 75%, and 26.8 and out with 80% max. This all assumes that you are 50 years of age, which is the minimum.
Anonymous said...
Pay us more for doing less!! Thats the attitude boys and girls. Where would we be in the job market if it werent for this job.LoL!!!!!
12/06/2007 07:37:00 AM
WOW, very honest DOG...
11:45pm, 05 Dec:
As a Sgt., I hope you're not one.
Why would you say something that stupid? But I guess this blog is the best place to just blurt out anything without thinking. Did you ever stop and wonder about the beat cars that cover all three sectors when you reach a RAP? Shouldn't THEY then get PAID at 3 TIMES the going rate, since they are covering the ENTIRE DISTRICT?
THINK before YOU hit the SUBMIT BUTTON. While I will state that being a patrol Sgt. is no glamour post, if it was so bad, why are so many people showing up at the promotion exam sites? Hard to believe that some within our rank are so boneheaded.
The biggest joke on this department is the 45 minutes a day that supervisors get just for showing up to work. Most sergeants are out the door long before that "45 minute" window even opens. If the city wants to save money take this bullshit 45 minutes away and that would save the city millions in the long run.
I agree with you SCC but Add Joliet City coppers to the list. They have residency too.
They have a radius. Family in Joliet, live in Plainfield.
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