Friday, March 14, 2008

And Speaking of More With Less

Expect less equipment, less training, and something else....

Oh yeah, less officers:
  • $5 million by slashing nonpersonnel costs by 3 percent. Police, fire and the Office of Emergency Management and Communications will share the pain.
  • $2 million by cutting police, fire and 911 center overtime not critical to public safety and by eliminating nonsafety overtime in all other city departments, including building maintenance.
  • The bulk of the $20 million in expected savings comes from the hiring freeze at $11 million.
Like sending home an entire class of recruits and failing to keep up with the pace of retirements. And they want to keep telling us we're down index numbers? Anyone really wonder why?

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57 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

This so called downturn in the economy is only in its infancy. Just watch and wait,put your assets in precious metals or fixed securities.

3/13/2008 11:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PHUCK IT ! Im checking the money box everytime.

3/13/2008 11:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

maybe they should not have spent $16 million on squad car cameras.

3/13/2008 11:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of inflation,has anyone purchased ammunition lately?

Wow,it has doubled and tripled in price.

The salesman told me that it is due to several factors;transportation costs increasing,metals have gone through the roof,liberals have cost plenty of money with frivolous lawsuits that need to be defended and war diversions on some calibers.

If you see a good sale stock up and post it on SCC so that we can all jump on it.

3/13/2008 11:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I swear I saw Da Mayor say he thought that "speed cameras" were more important than Police officers in today's Times.

A piece of plastic is more important than I am to The King. Enough said.


Fuck you. Pay me!!!

3/14/2008 12:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The real reason that class of recruits was put on hold, No Money?

Graet idea Mayor, Stroger, Blago, raise taxes on every little thing and wonder why people can't pay and are going else where to buy items.

All our retail stores will be leaving for collar counties where they pay less tax and can sell cheaper.

Thanks again boys.

3/14/2008 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the index is down because every copper i know has to work 2 or 3 side jobs to pay the bills and send the kids to good schools. most po's i know walk around in a perpetual sleep deprived state. a tired officer is a less productive officer.

3/14/2008 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A quick 1.5 million dollars could be saved if the Mayor would drop his TWENTY TWO body guards.

HaHa, not a chance. Democrat liberal politics is and always has beeN about YOU making sacrifices, not them.

Remember, keep voting democrat for more of the same.

3/14/2008 02:27:00 AM  
Blogger Fed Up Chicagoan said...

Completely eliminating the Traffic Management "Authority" would be an intelligent place to start.

3/14/2008 04:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hiring freeze with CPD has started already. Last recruit class was Oct. 2007. 300 retired in 2008 as of march, and the numbers continue. After April, no more recruit classes will hit the street this year. How can they continue to use 13,500? Amazing how they toss that number around every day. Let the press question Daley and have him admit he is cutting the size of street officers. Pulling 50 officers from inside is a very temporary and waste of time exercise. We need officers in a squad car. How many students have died this year?

3/14/2008 05:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They need to make more Bullshit Bureaus & Gold Stars for our already overbloated top heavy Department.

Welcome to the SS Titanic,enjoy your cruise...

3/14/2008 06:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They can really save money by not replacing the obsolete computer in my squad car that is still running Windows 98. They can continue to not replace vehicles and not having money tied up in pool vehicles. They can continue to have shit training and broken computers and other equipment in district stations. They can keep those 5 shotguns in the district that have been there my whole career.

As for my part, I will save money on shoe polish by not buying any and I will continue to buy my uniforms at the FOP resale shop. And I will not cost the city any money in lawsuit settlements by not abusing anyone's rights or arresting anyone who doesn't jump in front of my squad car and absolutely demand to be arrested. Even then I will need more evidence and investigation.

That said, the only thing important to me now on this job is to make it to the end of my tour safely and to help my co-workers do the same. Backing up other police is the only thing I take very seriously.

3/14/2008 06:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MOVERS!MOVERS!MOVERS!.....Oh yeah and lets send four PO's a day to camera training at the academy.Just what we need,less PO's on the street.WTF!!!!!!

3/14/2008 06:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THe saddest thing about Daley and Stoger and all the other idiot politicans that want higher taxes is that they don't understand that the way to get more revenue is...LOWER TAXES! When you cut taxes, businesses come into your town and set up shop, tourists spend more money in restaurants and hotels, more conventions are held in your city, shoppers prefer to shop where the taxes are less, and more people want to live where the tax burden is less.

Cancelling the recruit class is a short-term fiscal move...it will look good on paper for the next fiscal quarter...but in the long run the effects will be devastating. (The murder and other violent crime rates will rise, more injuries to the short-handeed coppers already out there) These are things that make people move away, businesses close shop, and joblessness to rise.

3/14/2008 07:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it me or is this starting to sound like THE WIRE...where da pooolice weren't getting paid for O.T.

3/14/2008 09:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee, in 025 what does the building manager, Bonnie do with the money? Our roll call room chairs are falling apart and they have not replaced them in 7 years. The maint. man Tom is always removing stuff from the building to his warehouse on Keating. Hmmm.. where's the money spent?

3/14/2008 09:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

look at it this way. if people keep retiring then we'll have enough cars for everyone

3/14/2008 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Feels like Chicago is exceeding the "hell in a handbasket" rate of decline by a good 30% or so.

Once claimed to be the best city in the country by the runt, it's going to be one of the first to fall into anarchy due to his pocket lining with the bullshit cameras and computers and related technology shit.

He can put all this technology in the press and think he's hot shit for doing it, in the end, if I don't use it it don't mean shit.

I don't give a fuck how much criminal information he can put at my fingertips, I can only answer so many calls a day motherfucker and that's my job.

Now PAY ME, BITCH!

3/14/2008 10:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So no new po's on the street until maybe next fall?Hey j-fed thats a big reason you will get no respect,you want us to not be fat and a new academy?How bout some fucking po's on the street so we are not stretched every fucking day?13,500? GFY Daley.

3/14/2008 10:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
PHUCK IT ! Im checking the money box everytime.
3/13/2008 11:23:00 PM

***********************

That would be "penny-wise and pound-foolish."

3/14/2008 10:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If the mayor would like to make some money, here is a novel idea: How about you start charging for Taste of Chicago. People will still come and pay $5.00 even $10.00 dollars to enjoy themselves.

This will in turn keep out the shitbirds who just come to start trouble.

3/14/2008 10:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Index crime is not down:
As of March 12 64 homicides this year compared to 61 last (and with the winter we had!?) Agg. Batt fireams at 204 compared to 168 in 2007. Robbery in some district up over 60%. Burglary up about 25% The econmy sucks, we're down in manpower, until everyone promoted, etc settled into their spots we'll be in a a decision making vacumn...and the long hot summer is ahead. Here's my prediction: Hold on to your hats boys and girls, this job is about to become scarier than an e-ticket ride at Disney World.

3/14/2008 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BAD ECONOMY = JFED GET PAID MORE THEN ANY SUPER IN HISTORY= JFED IS A FUCKING FINANCIAL GENIUS!!

3/14/2008 10:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Didnt make enough money?
Fuck you pay me
Bills higher than you thought?
Fuck you pay me
Guys who owed you welched?
Fuck you pay me
Overhead a little too high?
Fuck you pay me
You not able to go on your cruise?
Fuck you pay me

3/14/2008 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone should just remind Mayor Mumbles that the shortfall will take care of itself, just keep your jagoff kid and stealing newphew's hand out of the city's cookie jar, that should help balance a part of the city ledger.

3/14/2008 11:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eliminate all welfare progams and save billions.

3/14/2008 11:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The next sergeants class won't be until late July Early August.....trying to save money I guess.

3/14/2008 01:00:00 PM  
Anonymous RAB said...

Anonymous said...
the index is down because every copper i know has to work 2 or 3 side jobs to pay the bills and send the kids to good schools. most po's i know walk around in a perpetual sleep deprived state. a tired officer is a less productive officer.

3/14/2008 01:29:00 AM

Tru-Dat! I goes to work to relax. I don't use time due. I saves my time, (8,400 hours).

When I am sick I go to work 'cause if I goes on the medical, I can't works my special enjoyment. I made close to $200,000.

If I'm really sick...I use a "sickness in family" even though I ain't got children.

My old lady works and my house in beverly is paid for but I love money.
I love money more than my honey. Sgt.RA Bofo

3/14/2008 01:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

a "soft" economy BREEDS Homicide's and violence.
daley is already tying mr. weis hands by not hiring now.

Bring on the homicides

3/14/2008 01:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

and hiring all these retired old fucks back as civilians

3/14/2008 02:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

For all of you considering voting for Obama, where do you live? Are you so blind by color and and/or a good speaker that you ignore the situation you're in. And don't forget, the media blames the economy on Bush but despite 9-11 and the corporate scandals, when the republicans held congress we did not have this horrific economy. It really got bad after the Dem's took over..Thank you to all the Dem's. And remember, the US government created Aids and pushes the drugs in the Ghetto..My god they're right, being liberal is a mental illness.

3/14/2008 02:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No Overtime........guess I don't need to go to court anymore!

3/14/2008 02:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We get deviated for missing court and can take a day. yet they're bitching about overtime? Pre-lim hearing at the lower branches?? get rid of that like most counties do it and we'd get rid of a shit load of extra $$ out of the txpayers pockets. I thought the watch commanders job was to do pre-lim when he authorized your arrest?

3/14/2008 03:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

(sorry I posted the below under the wrong topic yesterday)

Hey J-Fed;

What to save some MORE money??

How about getting rid of the "Watch Commander's Aggravated Battery reports" when there is a shooting in the districts?

Some Watch Commander's who are close to their end of Watch wind up doing these silly reports and milk the overtime (the taxpayers dollars) at an average of $65.00 an hour ! !
We had a new lieutenant in our district who raped the city for 6 hours at time and a half for this bullshit report.

These stupid unnecessary reports are redundant . . something that the detective division should do if they want to contribute information to the weekly DOC Meetings.

Start auditing the overtime slips for all Lieutenants and Captains (Title Codes: 9173 and 9175)
and see what bullshit lies are being generated to steal taxpayer's money !!!!

3/14/2008 06:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eliminate Captains NOW!! They are useless and cost alot. We can get away with Lieutenant to run the watch. Most Captains are do nothings who sit behind the desk web surfing.

3/14/2008 08:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And remember, the US government created Aids. . .

3/14/2008 02:26:00 PM

WTF?

3/14/2008 11:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3/14/2008 06:06:00 PM

Waht sgt was the highest paid sgt in the city last year? hello sgt eBay! Yes it is amd i tell you mad! Now that your lapdog is canceled out who is going to protect you kid?

3/14/2008 11:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3/14/2008 01:19:00 PM

And he uses many in a row! How can he do it? His love connection is now gone what will he do what will he do?

3/14/2008 11:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
A quick 1.5 million dollars could be saved if the Mayor would drop his TWENTY TWO body guards.

HaHa, not a chance. Democrat liberal politics is and always has beeN about YOU making sacrifices, not them.

Remember, keep voting democrat for more of the same.

3/14/2008 02:27:00 AM

And burke with his 7 2 on 3 off plus all the overtime!

3/14/2008 11:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Eliminate all welfare progams and save billions.

3/14/2008 11:21:00 AM"


Eliminate all corporate welfare programs, eliminate all welfare programs masquerading as government services for those employed by governments, eliminate bloated city, county, state and federal government payrolls, starting with the executive branches, eliminate corrupted contractor deals on the city, county, state, and federal levels, eliminate all laws prohibiting the consumer demanded 'vices', ie., gambling, prostitution and controlled substances, and regulate and tax same, eliminate the interference of organized religions, via religious dogma attempting to impose individual religious morality onto everyone by infecting legal principles, (something we object to when religions other than our own attempt to do so and conveniently ignore the hypocrisy of said objections), restore the effective separation of church and state and the freedoms said separation provides, eliminate compulsory public education, replacing it with substantially tax financed vouchers and free market opportunities for educational enterprises, non-profit or for-profit, as the consumer demand requires, return governments, at all levels, to the minimum required to provide only the essential public services that the private sector cannot more efficiently and economically provide, and see if the American public can handle living as Americans, freely, responsibly, honestly, and independently.

3/15/2008 01:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

NEWS FLASH FROM YOU BELOVED MAYOR FOR LIFE:

I want to assure all of you that the upcoming budget cuts will in no way endanger my own or alderman Burke's safty. I will continue to have TWENTY TWO armed guards as personal servants. So, rest assured, I and our beloved alderman, will continue to be safe.

And remember, I demand 8 hours work for eight hours pay, just like i do.....sometimes.

And above all, keep electing democrats. That is all.

Signed Richard the Second, Mayor for Life.

3/15/2008 11:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get rid of CAPS, no longer federally funded about 2 million a year out of the city funding.

3/15/2008 02:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

13,500 yeah right! the city has to hire accountants to use funny math to bolster our numbers. One way is everyone that is detailed out of their unit of origin is counted twice, once in their assigned unit and again in their unit of detail. What a joke, the city budget allows for 13,500 whatever money is not used goes to the mayors cronies or even children after its funneled back into the city budget, for crooked contracts. Long live king Richard.

3/15/2008 04:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two classes of recruits one in may one in April

3/15/2008 04:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Get rid of CAPS, no longer federally funded about 2 million a year out of the city funding.

3/15/2008 02:38:00 PM

They just created a Chiefs spot for CAPS and when will they dump the high ranking Reverand involved in the CAPS program that the news media had reported that was caught on that wire involving the TVLS years ago

3/15/2008 04:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

13,500 yeah right! the city has to hire accountants to use funny math to bolster our numbers. One way is everyone that is detailed out of their unit of origin is counted twice, once in their assigned unit and again in their unit of detail. What a joke, the city budget allows for 13,500 whatever money is not used goes to the mayors cronies or even children after its funneled back into the city budget, for crooked contracts. Long live king Richard.

3/15/2008 04:23:00 PM

Sorry- thats simply not true. We have just under 13,500 sworn- that number is legit no matter how you look at it- now of course we remove the supervisors, the 700 or so on medical or IOD, those detailed out, and we are left with much less- I haven't crunched the actual numbers lately- but I have in the past and my guess would be around 7,500 actually on the beat...

3/16/2008 09:59:00 PM  
Anonymous melvin the red flag raiser said...

Raise the red flag, comrade 3/15/2008 01:39:00 AM!

I am glad to hear you sound the battle call of the proletariat, supporting meaningful social reform and a purge of the executive, whilst not being afraid to show your neo-communist colours. That my little red friend is courage beyond description!

I share in your pride of the need for immediate implementation of unforgiving socialist ideals, and wish more brave and unbelievably articulate souls as yourself would come forward and join us in our quest to save civilization from itself.

I too take comfort in the firepower of the Second Amendment. The world could and will eventually implode in a nuclear fire ball, but as long as that sacred document remains intact, the God of our choice will be there to watch over us and march us into the light of the chosen. I join you in saying 'to heck' with everyone else in opposition to our vision! They'll get what they deserve in the end!

We can and will take comfort in that the God of our choice blesses us even if we don't know we need blessing.

3/17/2008 10:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"....see if the American public can handle living as Americans, freely, responsibly, honestly, and independently.

3/15/2008 01:39:00 AM"

To which 'melvin' sees fit to post "...whilst not being afraid to show your neo-communist colours...." amongst other cute, but hardly amusing, mumbo jumbo nonsense.

What part of people exercising their freedom to reject being pawns in the games the wealthy manipulators play is bothering you?

What part of the desire for a healthy American economy and society do you find displeases you?

What kind of an American do you think you are?

Or think you can successfully pretend to be?

If you are, in fact, an American at all?

If you are, in fact, a person who understands the principles and promises inherent in our American Constitution and Bill of Rights and believes in their worthiness to be aspired to achieve?

Or are you just a measly mockery of an American?

Just wondering.

3/17/2008 09:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...eliminate all laws prohibiting the consumer demanded 'vices', ie., gambling, prostitution and controlled substances, and regulate and tax same...
3/15/2008 01:39:00 AM

Are you serious?? Mookie would love that. What controlled substance are you smoking, shithead?

3/19/2008 06:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Are you serious?? Mookie would love that. What controlled substance are you smoking, shithead?

3/19/2008 06:21:00 PM"


Now why would 'mookie' love that?

'That' being the ability of the costs of consumer desired goods and services conforming to the market forces of supply and demand, free from the artificial effects of prohibition.

'Mookie' should be very unhappy about losing his main sources of income.

3/20/2008 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous melvin the red flag raiser said...

"....see if the American public can handle living as Americans, freely, responsibly, honestly, and independently.
Yes, YES!! As expressed in the full posting from our neo-communist brother in arms, 3/15/2008 01:39:00 AM!

What part of people exercising their freedom to reject being pawns in the games the wealthy manipulators play is bothering you?
By 'part of people', do you mean the 'wee-knee of the proletariat'? I luv when you talk soviet, comrade, it really gets my computer hard drive humming...

What part of the desire for a healthy American economy and society do you find displeases you?
None, comrade. If I made you angry, please forgive, I just want to be the best neo-communist I can be, like 3/15/2008 01:39:00 AM. This comrade would give Karl Marx wet dreams.

What kind of an American do you think you are?
You, of course, silly red bear. If you are an American, comrade, then so am I. We are both cut from the same red cloth.

Or think you can successfully pretend to be?
I am just trying to 'successfully pretend' like you, comrade. The eloquent posting from 3/15/2008 01:39:00 AM has to have been written by a real neo-communist like you and I, comrade. Only a true believer in the red cause to free the proletariat from the servitude of the capitalist oligarchs could have scribed such a fiery piece of soviet-style oratory as this. Lenin would be proud of the lack of even basic sentence and paragraph structure. I'm trying to learn the fine art of scribing 1000 word run-on sentences but it aint easy, I just can't seem to get the hang of it. Please be patient, comrade.

If you are, in fact, an American at all?
I think I am, comrade. I was born in Poughkeepsie, NY. I'll check and get back to you.

If you are, in fact, a person who understands the principles and promises inherent in our American Constitution and Bill of Rights and believes in their worthiness to be aspired to achieve?
Not sure if that's a question or even a sentence for that matter, comrade, but like you always say to yourself: Who needs 'principles and promises' when you can have 'rhetoric and the Second Amendment'? As long as we can carry guns, comrade, the God of our choice will guide us into the light of the chosen, non-believers be darned.

Or are you just a measly mockery of an American?
Don't be so hard on yourself, comrade, I'm just a direct reflection of you.

Just wondering.
Keep on keeping on then, and don't forget to flush. And wash you hands when you're done.

3/20/2008 10:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmmmm.

10:00AM & 10:17AM

Melvin is dependable.

Melvin slides into his 9 to 5 city job, unwinds from that stressful commute from the burbs and, while enjoying the first of his morning 'coffee breaks', taps out his amusements.

How special and how sincere Melvin is, and how pleased he must be, at getting paid, by the taxpayers, to perform no useful, to the taxpayers, work, to be so secure in his comfort and to take such delicious pleasure in his perspectives on the ways of the world.

A prince amongst men, Melvin is.

He fits right in with those of like mind, as is his wish.

He cherishes his good fortune at being so suited to the position he's chosen for himself.

He rejoices in the security of knowing that, as long as he's still able to ignore that ever diminishing little voice of decency that, we presume, once was almost audible to his consciousness, he'll never need concern himself about anyone other than himself.

He celebrates, daley, the gathering and accumulating of the things that he must know he cannot keep forever, but, being proficient at bullshitting others, Melvin has also perfected bullshitting himself.

Relishing the true meaning of the phrase, 'Ignorance Is Bliss', Melvin tip toes through his life, deliberately unaware of anyone, other than Melvin and those who can be persuaded or enticed to assist Melvin in servicing Melvin.

And yet, even Melvin won't be able to cheat death, no, cheating death isn't as easy for Melvin, or any of his peers, as cheating the taxpayers has proven to be.

Try cutting a deal with the Grim Reaper, Melvin, and see how that works out.

Time waits for no man, even such a man as Melvin.

Now, Melvin, it's time to get back to pretending that you're working.

3/20/2008 08:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

3/20/2008 01:14:00 AM:

You should present your plan to state and local officials so we can get a binding referendum on the ballot for November.

Then we can vote to place all the regulated and taxed gambling, prostitution and open air controlled substance markets on the block where you live, communist fuckhead.

3/21/2008 02:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Then we can vote to place all the regulated and taxed gambling, prostitution and open air controlled substance markets on the block where you live, communist fuckhead.

3/21/2008 02:50:00 AM"


Actually, you've come close to being reasonable.

Zoning will take care of the issue of where the markets for vice businesses will be located, much as for industrial, manufacturing, commercial, residential, etc., does.

The opportunity for employment for current, ex or retired police personal, as well as those with military experience, is obvious.

The removal of illegal markets infesting every residential neighborhood is also an obvious effect of legalizing, regulating and taxing the three 'vices'.

If you don't like, use or approve of vice activities, don't patronize those businesses selling those vices to the consumers who want them.

If you don't want those vices being engaged in, in your community, implement the suggestions you so readily mock and the lawful zoning of vice businesses will remove them from your community far more effectively, efficiently and certainly than any amount of enforced prohibition ever could.

If you really wanted to put an end to the activities you object to being conducted in your neighborhood, you'd be first in line to vote into office everyone supporting the very suggestions you have objected to.

The only people strongly opposed to the legalization of gambling, drug availability and prostitution are those who profit from the illegality of same.

And those who are so gullible as to allow their personal perspectives on morality to be used as an excuse to maintain the lucrative illegal status of the three vices.

Apply your personal morality upon yourself and leave the judging of others to God, as you have been instructed to, by God.

That is, if you believe in God, and your obligation to do as you are told to, by God.

"Judge Not, Least Ye Be Judged"

3/21/2008 10:37:00 PM  
Anonymous SCC is saying 'stop already' said...

3/20/2008 08:38:00 PM and
3/21/2008 10:37:00 PM:

No more questions! Darn, I was looking forward to another round of silliness and sarcasm at the expense of your all-encompassing ego.

"Judge Not, Least Ye Be Judged"

Whoa! That bolt of lightning came outta knowwear. Wasn't expecting that one, comrade Yoda.

Uncle! I give up!

Can I still praise the God of our choice while you stand in line with me at the regulated and taxed gambling, prostitution and open air controlled substance market in your next door neighbor's garage? You can still hold my hand or some other appendage...Thanks!

3/22/2008 10:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"scc is saying 'stop already' said:

3/20/2008 08:38:00 PM and
3/21/2008 10:37:00 PM:

No more questions! Darn, I was looking forward to another round of silliness and sarcasm at the expense of your all-encompassing ego.

"Judge Not, Least Ye Be Judged"

Whoa! That bolt of lightning came outta knowwear. Wasn't expecting that one, comrade Yoda.

Uncle! I give up!

Can I still praise the God of our choice while you stand in line with me at the regulated and taxed gambling, prostitution and open air controlled substance market in your next door neighbor's garage? You can still hold my hand or some other appendage...Thanks!

3/22/2008 10:54:00 AM"


As the generous owners of this site have seen fit to allow this little exchange of opinions, (both a surprising occurrence and a not so surprising occurrence), they can end the exchange whenever they choose to.

I presume they are as amused at the sequence of comments as any have been, thus the allowance of same.


On the off chance that this comment may make it to the board, I'll try to simplify the concept, just for you, to wit:


1. The three vices have been with humanity for as long as there have been human beings.

2. The desires of one grouping of human beings to impose their perspectives upon another grouping of human beings, for the presumed purpose of 'improving' or 'correcting' the chosen behaviors of said other grouping of human beings, has also been around for a long, long time.

3. The vehicle used by the self-styled righteous has typically been the claiming of religious or moral superiority, said claims being, in part, supported by truth and reality and, in part, by basic self interest.

4. If we accept, as fact, that the three vices are, indeed, vices, as in behaviors less helpful/more harmful to society as a whole, then the problem requiring solution can be stated as 'what actions will be the most effective and efficient at removing the harmful effects of these vices from impacting the general public'.

5. The proposals which have been so graciously allowed to be discussed will not result in causing anyone harm, other than those currently profiting from the illegality of the three vices, those who choose to use their freedom to over-indulge in the three vices and those who choose to be employed as the providers of said vices AND find that their own, personal experience at doing so is not as much to their liking as first imagined.

6. The immediate effects of the physical/geographical segregation of the providers of 'recreational' substances, gambling and prostitution, through legalization and zoning, are obviously beneficial to the residents of those communities currently suffering under the effects of the illegality of same.

7. The elimination of the misuse of law enforcement resources, currently acting as agents of an artificial price support system maintaining the profits of those engaged in all the aspects of the providing of the three vices to those consumers desiring to purchase same, will have the immediate effect of providing a greater number of law enforcement officers to address the commission of the natural crimes, as in acts of violence and the various forms of theft.

7. Further, the reductions in the costs of purchasing 'recreational' substances, currently inflated far above their actual costs to produce, will remove a certain portion of the motivation driving the commission of crimes of theft, with or without violence involved.

8. Off duty, ex or retired law enforcement officers, as well as those individuals with military experience, will be in demand as security personnel, for the geographically segregated vice providers' facilities, and welcomed by those consumers whose only desire is to satisfy their desires to enjoy indulging in any or all of the three vices, relatively free from the dangers and risks now prevalent under the current 'three vices are illegal' system.

9. The taxing and regulating of the three vices will be the definition of 'to play you've got to pay', rather than the current definition relevant to political corruptions, and, I suspect, an extremely lucrative to the taxpaying public arrangement.

10. Finally, the truly effective, (at discouraging indulgence in activities defined as vices), forces, those being social, economic/employment, insurances and internal family pressures, will now be the deciding factors in an individual determining what is more important, indulging in the pleasures of vice experiences or enjoying the pleasures of a loving family, respectful friends and associates and social/community approval.


For what it's worth, I thank the owners of this site for their generosity and their patience, whatever they choose to do with this humble submission.

3/22/2008 08:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damm, you can count too...

3/23/2008 02:43:00 AM  

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