FOP Shakeup?
Someone commented that John Capparelli has been removed from his inside spot.
Originally, the field reps were each of the 7 inside spots (President, 3 VPs, Treasurer, Financial and Recording Secretaries). That all went out the window when Capparelli and six others won Board spots in the 1999 election against the Nolan team (the other 6 were trustees). Nolan denied Capparelli an inside spot and the Field Rep duties that went along with it. Following a disastrous contract negotiation by Bob Podgorny and the Nolan Team, the Citywide team rose to power in 2002 sweeping all 27 board spots. Capparelli was returned to the inside spot due a Treasurer and the Field Rep spot.
Now, if you read the FOP website biographies, Capparelli's biography has been removed and Trustee Rich Aguilar is listed as a Field Rep.
What's up with that? No explanation? Anyone have a scoop? Bad blood less than two months after an election? Capparelli was tight fisted with the finances after the excesses of the Nolan era. Capparelli was instrumental in uncovering tens of thousands of dollars in unethical expenditures by the previous office holders. The membership deserves an explanation.
Originally, the field reps were each of the 7 inside spots (President, 3 VPs, Treasurer, Financial and Recording Secretaries). That all went out the window when Capparelli and six others won Board spots in the 1999 election against the Nolan team (the other 6 were trustees). Nolan denied Capparelli an inside spot and the Field Rep duties that went along with it. Following a disastrous contract negotiation by Bob Podgorny and the Nolan Team, the Citywide team rose to power in 2002 sweeping all 27 board spots. Capparelli was returned to the inside spot due a Treasurer and the Field Rep spot.
Now, if you read the FOP website biographies, Capparelli's biography has been removed and Trustee Rich Aguilar is listed as a Field Rep.
What's up with that? No explanation? Anyone have a scoop? Bad blood less than two months after an election? Capparelli was tight fisted with the finances after the excesses of the Nolan era. Capparelli was instrumental in uncovering tens of thousands of dollars in unethical expenditures by the previous office holders. The membership deserves an explanation.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
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We all know "reporters" ( gags ) like Frank Main, Mark Brown, Fran Spielman and Sneed browse this site and routinely steal from it. I propose a challenge to them, one and all: Ask Superintendent Jody P. WEIS to explain PRECISELY what took place with the alleged cover-up after he stated that a whistle blower in the FBI needed to be "taken out". I want an exact accounting of what the circumstances were.
He may be completely innocent, as we in this City know how horribly wrong the press can be, and yet still get away with printing the lies. I'd like to hear what he has to say about this situation.
"I don't recall" isn't going to cut it.
I THOUGHT JOHN PRODUCED THAT CRAPPY AND POORLY DONE VIDEO THE FOP PRODUCED FOR PROPAGANDA!
PLEASE QUIT SPENDING MY DUES ON BULLSHIT!
YOU TURKEYS REJECT HALF THE CASE BROUGHT TO YOU B CUZ ITS EXPENSIVE THEN YOU MAKE A VIDEO?
OR MAY BE HE IS PREGNANT YOU KNOW MARK DOESNT GET ALONG WITH PREGNANT MEN...
off topic:
But to the writer of this:
A message to the old timers,
When I came on, roughly ten years ago, I was full of piss and vinegar and wanted to go out every night to chase the thugs and gangbangers.
When I saw you "old timers" casually reading magazines or getting coffee in between handling your jobs, I thought "wow, are they lazy." I couldn't imagine why you weren't out there trying to get one or two heads a day instead of doing the bare minimum.
Now in my somewhat older age, I would like to apologize.
Going through bullshit CR's and lawsuits due to being the "real police" makes one look at things differently. Seeing friends take time on bullshit beefs makes one look at things differently. Now knowing the politics of this job makes one look at things differently.
Most importantly, today's state of policing where one can lose one's job/house or get sued/indicted at the drop of a political hat, this makes you put things in perspective.
I see now what I thought was indifference was actually intelligence.
I am happy to say I have seen the light. I'll answer my calls and write some paper here and there. No more being proactive, it'll only get you jammed up and hung out to dry. And at the end of my 29 and a day, if I stay that long, I'll enjoy my pension.
A note to PPO's, respect the old timers, they are still around for a reason.
4/07/2008 12:56:00 PM
Man, I can't agree with you more. I thought the same thing when i first came on only about 7 years ago and man was i wrong. I want to also apologize and say that the old timers are actually the smart ones. The sad thing is that i really enjoy working and stopping people but the climate in this city is 100% against the police, so i'm done. Here's your paper sir.
Who cares... the FOP is worthless
Lets see if I care... I had a beef, no substance to it whatsoever, but IPRA wanted to see me. The FOP sends with me a "lawyer" who looks like he is straight out of the 12th grade. During the interview, he is chewing his nails the entire time. Never intervenes, even shrugs his shoulders a time or two. I left assuming I will be fired for not filling out a contact card. I want out. Thanks FOP
I KNOW THIS.. BILL D. WAS A GREAT TRUSTEE, A RABLE ROUSER IN THE NOLAN DAYS WHO "PROMISED" THAT THING WOULD BE DIFFERENT IF ELECTED.....HAVEN'T SEEN MUCH OUT OF HIM, EXCEPT THE CPD HOCKEY TEAM (HE'S ON) IS TAKING CARE OF........
Holy Unholy Batman!!!
What would Jesus Buy?
No doubt something is afoot. The question is what does John have to say or why isn't he saying anything at all? Who's washing their hands? Has John denied us three times?
Why should the FOP rep's get easy spots at all? Does the city influence FOP by taking care of them and their friends by placing people in spots?
I notice that retirees have an unnatural influence on FOP leadership and exempt bosses who take care of their children. Is this type of under the table favoritism a sell out to the membership?
I would suggest that it would be in all of our best interest if the FOP leadership worked in field units or bid only positions based on seniority. After all shouldn't the FOP leadership share the same perspective of that of the rank-n-file?
We want and need a healthy separation away from any cozy relationships with management. It helps to prevent impropriety or conflicts of interest. And we know how conflicts are worked out in this city- don't we...
The midnight crew in 025 are all mostly fuck-ups, I work it! There is another Polish nit-wit in 025 hoping to rise off a Spanish last name.
Hey now she is just trying to develop her policing skills by following the bosses around, hanging in the wc's office, and telling everyone about her personal problems incl her 20 something boy toy
Off Topic
Um..could someone please proof read the "official" CPD blog...note the two different spellings of "predator"
Hey maybe we could start a new unit to be proof readers.
"These officers go after the bottom feeding predditors that prey on the children who are the most innocent and most defenseless victims. It is very difficult to imagine coming into work every day knowing that your job may involve befriending a preditors"...
Real simple. . .Ask Capparelli ! ! !
Good comment on the old timer thing, because I too felt that way 25 years ago. Perhaps this is one of those things like the dream we all have of getting shot, where you are watching the bad guys gun pointing at you, and you see the spinning bullet come at you in slow motion, but you can't move or do anything about it.
I thought the desk and lock up crew were full of shit and probably worked the desk their whole career. I thought the guys who worked the wagon were sissys. I thought the permanent 2nd watch foot patrol officer was too stupid to handle jobs. I couldn't understand why these cops wouldn't want to strive to get out of patrol and be something more.
Once you get out of patrol and move around this department, you really get to see how scathing, self-centered, uncaring and corrupt the higher echelon of this department really is. Then you want to go right back to patrol and be the permanent wagon man, right after you call the retired one and apologize.
Although the stress of the politics of this job has destroyed me, I still try and work hard and always do the right thing. As always, I only do it for myself and my fellow officer.
What's up with that? No explanation? Anyone have a scoop? Bad blood less than two months after an election? Capparelli was tight fisted with the finances after the excesses of the Nolan era. Capparelli was instrumental in uncovering tens of thousands of dollars in unethical expenditures by the previous office holders. The membership deserves an explanation.
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM on Apr 8, 2008
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That's easy enough to find out. SCC, get out your GPS device and look up FOP Hall, 1412 W. Washington Blvd., Chicago IL 60607, set your latitude and longitude for that location and go there on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 at Noon, (1200 hours)
There will be a General Meeting there and you can meet Mr Capparelli and Mr Donahue yourself and ask them your questions. Then you can come back and report. That's easy enough, isn't it?
You are becoming the Sneed of the Police Department. Must be slow blog day.
Three more teenagers shot overnight.
And morale at an all-time low.
Get ready for the summer!
Saw John the other day. He stated simply that Donahue had a different agenda for him to do and bounced him out. John never spoke bad about Donahue, which I was surprised, but that is John a gentlemen.
If you don't have anything nice to say about people, don't say it at all. John is old school!
NEW YORK --
The Seattle Police Department is recruiting in New York City, offering new hires a salary that is almost double what the NYPD pays its dwindling force.
Seattle police are taking the recruitment seriously, placing a billboard on the West Side Highway that read A Job Like No Other.
Seattle pays its police recruits $47,334 a year and the annual salary rises to a maximum base pay of $67,045 in just six years, the Daily News reported.
NYPD recruits get a paltry $25,100 annual salary while they are in the academy. Their pay jumps to $32,800 after graduation and tops out at $59,588 after seven years.
In addition to the hire wages, the Seattle Police Department is also offering $5,000 to cover moving expenses.
Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly has blamed the department's starting salary for hurting recruitment. The pay scale was imposed by an arbitration panel in 2005 after the city and police union couldn't reach a deal.
Kelly also must cut the police force by 1,000 cops because of looming budget shortfalls - resulting in the smallest department in 16 years.
Elmhurst PD is hiring.
Deadline for completed online applications/requested documents is
noon on Monday, May, 19, 2008
Effective May 1, 2008, the starting salary for full-time police officers is $57,540 per year.
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Dental insurance
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Life insurance
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Personal days
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Compensatory time
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Vacation days
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Tuition reimbursement
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Flexible compensation plans
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Police pension fund
Naperville PD is hiring as well.
Salary: $56,397.12 - $79,255.90
Application Deadline: 9/2/08
thats what i have been telling these young whiper snapers all along. once you enter your cruiser the first thing you need to do is remove your shoes. think about the 1st & 16th and no contract. by the way WTF is a "GET'EM Mission"?is that when you get CR numbers? no thank you just give me my electric socks.
Lets just hope and pray that those of us who are not KMA will have a pension. This city if bending us over on a daily basis and the FOP isn't doing much for us. They are doing many things for already retired PO's however. When are you going to bust your asses for us still working?
Is it like someone else said on this site: is it because Caps brother, the combat Vet(the guy who made the combat jump under fire
during the Panama invasion)ran against a daley machiner?
And that the FOP thing is retaliation?
If it isnt, then the FOP(and marky) should defend itself......
mark was mad because his brother ran for congress against lipinski and we know mark is rugais guy and that is all!
To the 10 year "veteran" who has reached the FORK in the road, as we all do. Work, or lay down. For me, it was trying to get the name of the offender off the vicitm as she was rolled into the CCH ER. A wise old wagon man told me, "Hey Kid, what do you care? Just write the paper." I still got the offenders name, and the attention of a dick who happened to be there, not assigned to the case. He who was as old as the wagon man. He told me to keep doing what I was doing. "The right thing." I did that for 30 more years, and retired, still doing it. I look back at my career, (Oops, "Job," only bosses have careers!) with pride. If you aren't proud of what you do every day, go find a job that matches your superior skills, and stop milking the city.
Do we even have a FOP? I mean it's been almost a year without contract, with basically no serious proposal in sight. We get beat up all the damn time in the media, with nothing but some cheesy ass letter to the scum-times, which you know will never get printed. Nothing but contract violation after violation spewing out of J-frauds mouth. What the fuck do we pay for?????????
HOW DO WE ELECT PEOPLE THAT ARE SO BACKWARDS?!
Representative tries to put the fear of God in atheist
Read Eric Zorn's full post: Rep. Monique Davis to atheist Rob Sherman: `It's dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!'
By Eric Zorn
Change of Subject
April 6, 2008
Did you hear about the state legislator who last week blasted a Lutheran minister during a committee hearing for spewing dangerous religious superstitions, and then attempted to order the minister out of the witness chair on the grounds that his Christian beliefs are "destroying what this state was built upon"?
Of course you didn't, because it didn't happen and would never happen. Not to a Christian, not to a Jew, not to a Muslim or to anyone who subscribes to any faith.
Such an attack would rightly be considered scandalously out of bounds in contemporary society.
But you probably also didn't hear about what actually did happen:
Rep. Monique Davis (D-Chicago) interrupted atheist activist Rob Sherman during his testimony Wednesday afternoon before the House State Government Administration Committee in Springfield and told him, "What you have to spew and spread is extremely dangerous . . . it's dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!
"This is the Land of Lincoln where people believe in God," Davis said. "Get out of that seat . . . You have no right to be here! We believe in something. You believe in destroying! You believe in destroying what this state was built upon."
Apparently it's still open season on some views of God.
Outside of Change of Subject, where I posted a transcript and the audio, Davis' repellent, un-American outburst received no attention whatsoever.
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i really wish they'd stop the swearing on the bible and the "so help you god" shit in court.
4/07/2008 12:56:00 PM
Man, I can't agree with you more. I thought the same thing when i first came on only about 7 years ago and man was i wrong. I want to also apologize and say that the old timers are actually the smart ones. The sad thing is that i really enjoy working and stopping people but the climate in this city is 100% against the police, so i'm done. Here's your paper sir.
4/08/2008 12:24:00 AM
i now have 12 years on and it took me 7 to figure this out, but just to add, being highly visible is just as important as making a pinch, being held down in the station on a bs pinch is a waste of time and manpower and doesnt make you the real police what does is staying out of the hole and backing eachother up as often as possible!
I am happy to say I have seen the light. I'll answer my calls and write some paper here and there. No more being proactive, it'll only get you jammed up and hung out to dry. And at the end of my 29 and a day, if I stay that long, I'll enjoy my pension.
A note to PPO's, respect the old timers, they are still around for a reason.
4/07/2008 12:56:00 PM
Man, I can't agree with you more. I thought the same thing when i first came on only about 7 years ago and man was i wrong. I want to also apologize and say that the old timers are actually the smart ones. The sad thing is that i really enjoy working and stopping people but the climate in this city is 100% against the police, so i'm done. Here's your paper sir.
4/08/2008 12:24:00 AM
WOW! I was just thinking the same thing the other day as I was in a hole reading a magazine. I'm sitting there and start chuckling to myself.because I have become 'that dog'....never in a million years did I think that I would be catching up on some reading while at work! Amazing! Thanks, Chicago, for being such a crappy place to work, and thanks, J-Fed, for making it worse! I just LOVE your little order about intoxication off duty!
john c won't say anything because he is getting 2600.00 a month for doing next to nothing.
the payroll has now increased as you have six do nothings along with the biggest do nothing collecting pay which even they are embarassed to address.
FOP just like City Hall
John c is lucky they didn't throw him out of the union but then that honor is for those who never kissed markie ass
wharej603
told you so...........
WHY DOES NYPD, LAPD, FEDS, AND STATE POLICE ETC HAVE A 20YEAR 80% AND WE HAVE 29 AND 75%??????
ANYONE, ANYONE?
They don't have to explain anything, they never do, that's why they're called the flop. Fop is just another clout unit in this shit dept.
Wheres Capps???? Voted by the members and now removed by BS politics!! FOP is a bunch of sellouts to CLOUT
PLEASE POST HOMICIDE COUNT FOR THE YEAR ON YOUR HOME PAGE. GUNS, KNIVES, BATS, AND VICTIMS OF DONKEY PUNCHES!!!!!!!!!
CAPARRELLII watched everything! Too bad he's blocked! Management and Labor Affairs- with Merit Lt. Griffiths -I'm retiring with 29 yrs.- "WAS" NOT REALLY- the police for a minute---19 years on the job dickhed-11 WITH ops AS A CIVILIAN but goes around telling everyone that he was the police for 29 yrs.. He couldn't arrest me as I sodomize his wife. And then we have the idiot who should not be a Cmdr. let alone a Man sitting in on negotians- Alvarado-WHERE'S THE HDO-PLEAsse help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When I came on, roughly ten years ago, I was full of piss and vinegar and wanted to go out every night to chase the thugs and gangbangers.
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Man, I can't agree with you more. I thought the same thing when i first came on only about 7 years ago and man was I wrong.
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I came on the job a year ago and I am DONE. I type this as I am sitting in the company car with my personal laptop.
TO HELL WITH POLICE-WORK . . I refuse to put myself in a situation where I will have the city fire me.
ooops . . here comes an inspector, time to bullshit this nitwit political hack!!
A statement given to authorities by one of the teenagers accused of fatally shooting a 16-year-old on a CTA bus last year was obtained illegally and will not be admissible at trial, a Cook County judge ruled Tuesday.
Circuit Judge Michael Toomin made his ruling after reviewing the 57-page transcript of the statement by then-15-year-old Kevin Jones in the killing of Blair Holt on May 10.
Toomin said it was clear that police failed to properly advise Jones of his rights during questioning in the Calumet Area police headquarters. Specifically, Toomin said, police did not ensure Jones understood his right to remain silent and his right to an attorney.
In a transcript of the videotaped statement presented in court, an assistant state's attorney with the felony review unit advises Jones that anything he said in his statement could be used against him in court, to which Jones replied, "I didn't know that. I didn't know all that."
The prosecutor then asked Jones if he understood his right to an attorney, and he replied, "I don't understand, what is an attorney?"
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And now these dics will most likely be sued for violating this poor kid's civil rights.
It's simple:
ASA- "anything you can can be used against you in a court of law."
Bad Guy- "oh, i didn't know that."
ASA- "Well now you do, BEFORE you make your admission.
Or how about:
Bad Guy- "what's an attorney?"
ASA- "It's a court officer used to protect your rights and argue your case." This is told to you BEFORE your admission.
I swear, why even do anything beyond answer your calls these days?
Jones' attorney, Michael Mayfield, said Tuesday the ruling was a blow to the prosecution.
"The judge made a very learned and educated ruling," Mayfield said outside court. "A large piece of [the state's] evidence has been suppressed."
Prosecutors were not immediately available for comment.
Jones and Michael Pace, 16, have pleaded not guilty to charges of first-degree murder, attempted murder, aggravated battery with a firearm and aggravated discharge of a firearm stemming from the shooting, which police said was the result of a feud between two members of the same street gang.
Pace is alleged to have fired the shots that killed Holt, a Julian High School student. Authorities allege Jones gave Pace the .40-caliber semiautomatic firearm used in the shooting, which wounded five others.
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So now these two murderers of a cop's kid will walk. And make a million in the process of suing the city and all PO's involved.
Caps removal -- It's proof that the FOP is against the 12 hour workweek.
To the ten year veteran that posted here earlier, I agree with your statement about the old timers, but only to a point. I will respect an old timer who takes the time to show me something, whether it be showing me the proper way to right a paper job, patrolling a neighborhood looking for things out of the norm, and finally how to handle citizens that are acting up. I will respect a veteran police officer who does all the above as opposed to the veteran's that dont do jack.
In a blow to prosecutors, a Cook County judge threw out the confession of one of two teens charged with the May 2007 murder of Julian High School student Blair Holt.
Judge Michael Toomin ruled that statements Kevin Jones made to police and prosecutors could not be admitted at trial, because Jones -- who was 15 at the time -- did not understand his Miranda rights.
“The state has failed to show ... that there was compliance with the mandate of Miranda, that he understood the right to counsel, that he understood the right to remain silent,” Toomin said this morning.
“It cannot be concluded that he really knew what an attorney was,” Toomin said.
What is the actual function of the area gun teams. Rarely see them with a gun and an arrest attached to the weapon. Send the 16 P.O.'s and 2 Sgt's back to the district where the bodies are needed. Gang/tac reams can look for the guns. Thats what they are there for.
I have handled a number of cases that have gone to pre trial motions. Judge Toomin is a very fair judge. I see a lot of cases where the SAO makes it's own rules as the case goes on. If there is something wrong with the case then thats the way it is. If a 15 year old defendant does not know what an attorney is, kids today are very stupid, then explain it to him on tape until he knows. The SAO has delayed (CI) cases for such bullshit instead of focusing on the real problems. The so-called 48 hour rule is no help and a former chief of dets. who was a proven idiot and thought this was law does not help the investigation. Don't blame Toomin. If he is watching a tape and sees a big flaw there is nothing else he can do. The biggest question other than the rights themselves is DO YOU UNDERSTAND ALL OF YOUR RIGHTS. If the goof doesn't know what a lawyer is then explain it to him. The judge can only work with what he is given.
We all know that FOP Lodge 7 us worthless, helpless and useless but there is a National FOP which covers the whole US. Of course I have never heard of them actually doing anything except handing our awards to each other on a monthly basis and doing memorial services constantly.
HEY FOP, HOW ABOUT THE LIVE POLICEMEN LIKE MIKE METTE.
Caps removal -- It's proof that the FOP is against the 12 hour workweek.
4/08/2008 03:51:00 PM
I would love to work 12hour work week. LOL
Lay off the soda pop
In a blow to prosecutors, a Cook County judge threw out the confession of one of two teens charged with the May 2007 murder of Julian High School student Blair Holt.
Judge Michael Toomin ruled that statements Kevin Jones made to police and prosecutors could not be admitted at trial, because Jones -- who was 15 at the time -- did not understand his Miranda rights.
“The state has failed to show ... that there was compliance with the mandate of Miranda, that he understood the right to counsel, that he understood the right to remain silent,” Toomin said this morning.
“It cannot be concluded that he really knew what an attorney was,” Toomin said.
4/08/2008 04:32:00 PM
And this liberal judge thinks he is presiding in the US Supreme Court what the fuck. You have to blame Arne for not teaching this fine young honor roll student the definition of lawyer. Maybe the honor roll student was out of school that day helping the neighborhood relations committee with beat downs. Hey Arne good to see you in the news using the CPS kids for your own agenda in Springfield. Gun legislation and more money for schools that this honor roll students do not attend. Waste my money to line your pockets the Daley way.
I deserve an explanation on why there is a need to have and to pay for THREE vice presidents. That seems excessive.
anonymous said...
Naperville PD is hiring as well.
Salary: $56,397.12 - $79,255.90
Application Deadline: 9/2/08
4/08/2008 07:50:00 AM
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Anyone who thinks Naperville is in any way better than CPD is in for a real shock. A PO from CPD took a leave and got hired by Naperville PD. He was back to the CPD in 30 days.
One brief and TRUE Naperville PD story; this PO's Sgt got an anonymous call to the police station, a citizen, who refused to give his name, wanted to beef on this officer that the officer made a turn without signaling.
The Sgt. TOOK THE BEEF and then counseled the officer on turning without signaling and the importance of some fucking nonsense bullshit. That officer I believe RAN back to the CPD where he works today.
OK, one more, Naperville PD made the news a year or so ago when one Naperville PD Sgt. arrested another Naperville PD Sgt for DUI. True story.
You don't like the CPD? You think it is better in Naperville? you think it is better ANYWHERE ELSE? Then resign and GO.
Pissed off about the contract expiring a year ago? This is NORMAL. That has happened each contract for the past 18 years! This is Standard Operating Procedure for the City of Chicago.
THE CITY DOES NOT BARGAIN IN GOOD FAITH! Why can't you guys realize that, the FOP must have cause to declare an impasse and then file for arbitration. then wait a year and a half for a decision and retro pay etc.
THIS IS WHAT THE CITY OF CHICAGO FORCES THE FOP TO DO. This is how the City does business. The FOP has no option other than informational picketing and bargaining in good faith.
A number of issues have been settled but we are a long way from a contract. The City's demands on discipline are terrible. The City has finally made a monetary offer, check out the progress on the FOP web site. It's all there, go to
http://www.chicagofop.org/Cur_Contract.html
to see progress.
Be patient, this is not unusual, this is entirely normal. This is the way it always is. This is the way Daley's Team does it.
If you are PISSED OFF then write a letter of complaint to the following:
MAYOR RICHARD M. DALEY
121 N. LA SALLE STREET
CHICAGO , IL 60602
And suggest he direct his labor attorney to bargain in good faith. This is the ONLY way your thoughts will ever get close to getting in front of the guy who directs everything in this City.
If half of the FOP membership were to write a letter of complaint it would be unprecedented, it's never been done before. Imagine 6,500 letters coming from 6,500 individual police officers. I know it won't happen but this much is certain: The Mayor does NOT read this blog so if you want to make your thoughts known, write the Mayor a letter. It can't hurt and might make you feel better.
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Elgin police officer indicted in January beating of suspect
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-elgin-cop-indict-web-09apr09,1,7842670.story?track=rss
WHY DOES NYPD, LAPD, FEDS, AND STATE POLICE ETC HAVE A 20YEAR 80% AND WE HAVE 29 AND 75%??????
ANYONE, ANYONE?
You let the city give you what they want and take what they can.
To: 4/08/2008 04:10:00 PM
>>I will respect an old timer who takes the time to show me something, whether it be showing me the proper way to right a paper job<<
WHAT? "right a paper job".....jeeez
FYI, caperelli got a sizable 24 grand check as a settlement
I was reading some of the complaints on here. There is no Thin Blue Line in Chicago. The only time Chicago cops come together, is if the White Hen Pantry were to give away massive amounts of free food to all of you. You have only yourselves to blame, but you DON'T CARE until something happens to YOU. Go to the FOP website... how many Unit Rep vacanies are there? MANY.
The biggest thing is that the people in power know you won't come together either.
Shame on you.
Dear FOP-
Tuition Reimbursement has not been paid for some from Summer of 2007 yet, much less Fall of 2007.
If we owed the city money from 9 months ago they would probably garnish our wages.
“It cannot be concluded that he really knew what an attorney was,” Toomin said.
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Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
cause he's a cps dropout!
But let's be reasonable here, what 16 y/o doesn't know what an attorney or lawyer is....they watch enough TV....can't believe Toomin is that stupid to believe this nonsense from this piece of shit.
My best friend just left for a department in washington st. 4/10 with every third week is 5 days off. No state tax he can live where the fuck he wants, theres no shithead out there, and they paid for his moving expense's.
"I don't recall" isn't going to cut it.
4/07/2008 11:00:00 PM"
He'll probably take the 5th like Phil Cline did early in his career.
Apparently the Mayor likes his Superintendents mired in controversy & equipped with questionable ethical values?
"I will respect an old timer who takes the time to show me something, whether it be showing me the proper way to right a paper job, patrolling a neighborhood looking for things out of the norm, and finally how to handle citizens that are acting up."
Conversely,you'll bring a proper mindset to learn the job, take their advice & ask questions.
As opposed to 95% of your know-it-all brethren with the attitudes who can't take constuctive criticism.
Keeping your ears open& your mouth shut goes a long way& you just might learn something...
When I came on, roughly ten years ago, I was full of piss and vinegar and wanted to go out every night to chase the thugs and gangbangers.
When I saw you "old timers" casually reading magazines or getting coffee in between handling your jobs, I thought "wow, are they lazy." I couldn't imagine why you weren't out there trying to get one or two heads a day instead of doing the bare minimum.
Now in my somewhat older age, I would like to apologize.
Going through bullshit CR's and lawsuits due to being the "real police" makes one look at things differently. Seeing friends take time on bullshit beefs makes one look at things differently. Now knowing the politics of this job makes one look at things differently.
Most importantly, today's state of policing where one can lose one's job/house or get sued/indicted at the drop of a political hat, this makes you put things in perspective.
I see now what I thought was indifference was actually intelligence.
I am happy to say I have seen the light. I'll answer my calls and write some paper here and there. No more being proactive, it'll only get you jammed up and hung out to dry. And at the end of my 29 and a day, if I stay that long, I'll enjoy my pension.
A note to PPO's, respect the old timers, they are still around for a reason.
4/07/2008 12:56:00 PM
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Another proactive PO jaded into doing the bare minimum by the city and it's leaders. The citizens are less safe for it.
The sad thing is, many of us agree with you.
Who notices what is wrong with the following sentence:
"Immigrants and their advocates testified before a union-led commission at the State House yesterday that federal agents violated illegal immigrants' constitutional rights and treated them inhumanely during recent raids, prompting swift denials from the federal government."
J-Fed the Showman has decided to wait until June to put a class of sergeants in so that he can turn the promotion into a giant press conference. 175 sergeants will be made at Navy Pier from the June class, where J-fed will take the opportunity to outline how his crime strategy revolves around the new training this large class of sergeants recieved at his direction. Forget the fact that it takes 175 off the street for June and July-big killing months-or that districts need sergeants NOW- this is typical political showboating from a guy who is proving he is full of empty ideas.
Anonymous said...
What is the actual function of the area gun teams. Rarely see them with a gun and an arrest attached to the weapon. Send the 16 P.O.'s and 2 Sgt's back to the district where the bodies are needed. Gang/tac reams can look for the guns. Thats what they are there for.
4/08/2008 05:35:00 PM
Response: Uh Umm; be more specific. Which Area gun team would you be talking about? Don't include everybody in your beef. And if you are including all five of them, then you have absolutely "no" idea of what you're talking about.
J-Fed the Showman has decided to wait until June to put a class of sergeants in so that he can turn the promotion into a giant press conference. 175 sergeants will be made at Navy Pier from the June class, where J-fed will take the opportunity to outline how his crime strategy revolves around the new training this large class of sergeants recieved at his direction. Forget the fact that it takes 175 off the street for June and July-big killing months-or that districts need sergeants NOW- this is typical political showboating from a guy who is proving he is full of empty ideas.
They wont have enough merit picks to make that many Sgts. They only asked for one per exempt. For a class that size they need at least two picks per exempt. So sorry bad info.
jfed. i laughed at your one of your latest smooze the public ideas of telling them that there will be more foot patrol when officers are not responding to jobs. hey jfed, um i hate to tell you but there is a back log in my district every day of every tour and we get denied lunch and we're so swamped that we cant even go out and work on anything else (including information from beat mtgs) because we have to do paper and respond to over 25 jobs a night. so um "when in the hell are we supposed to do this foot patrol". its obvious you have no clue whatsoever. take a big breath arnold want a be and dont count you eggs until they are hatched.
The midnight crew in 025 are all mostly fuck-ups, I work it! There is another Polish nit-wit in 025 hoping to rise off a Spanish last name.
Hey now she is just trying to develop her policing skills by following the bosses around, hanging in the wc's office, and telling everyone about her personal problems incl her 20 something boy toy
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025 midnights is NOT mostly fuck ups.....Like any training district there are plenty of new people who are surrounded by 15 or so hard working coppers who shoulder the load. I am guessing you are mad for 2 reasons,
1. This female you speak of was in a position to not let you get your way and you are upset about it.
and
2. You are one of the fuck ups who does nott do much other than talk shit behind people's backs.
The bathroom wall is recently painted assbag, why don't you go use it and stop your shit talking of specific coppers on this blog.
my wife is a unit fop rep, and at the last meeting this past week; john capparilli was there and explained he is still fop tres; but no longer a "field rep"; doen't go out on police shootings, police related beefs, etc.....
Anonymous said...
To the 10 year "veteran" who has reached the FORK in the road, as we all do. Work, or lay down. For me, it was trying to get the name of the offender off the vicitm as she was rolled into the CCH ER. A wise old wagon man told me, "Hey Kid, what do you care? Just write the paper." I still got the offenders name, and the attention of a dick who happened to be there, not assigned to the case. He who was as old as the wagon man. He told me to keep doing what I was doing. "The right thing." I did that for 30 more years, and retired, still doing it. I look back at my career, (Oops, "Job," only bosses have careers!) with pride. If you aren't proud of what you do every day, go find a job that matches your superior skills, and stop milking the city.
4/08/2008 09:07:00 AM
No truer words have ever been written signed a 17 year vet who is still out there doing it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
WHY DOES NYPD, LAPD, FEDS, AND STATE POLICE ETC HAVE A 20YEAR 80% AND WE HAVE 29 AND 75%??????
ANYONE, ANYONE?
You let the city give you what they want and take what they can.
4/08/2008 07:49:00 PM
The FEDS don't have that neither does LAPD. I swear fucking police are like sheep they hear something one time and it is gospel. LAPD does have what is called the DROP, look it up youngster I don't feel like typing anymore, except to say the FEDS have what is called a THRIFT look that up too you dumb fuck.
J-Fed the Showman has decided to wait until June to put a class of sergeants in so that he can turn the promotion into a giant press conference. 175 sergeants will be made at Navy Pier from the June class, where J-fed will take the opportunity to outline how his crime strategy revolves around the new training this large class of sergeants recieved at his direction. Forget the fact that it takes 175 off the street for June and July-big killing months-or that districts need sergeants NOW- this is typical political showboating from a guy who is proving he is full of empty ideas.
No Sgts till Sept. and it will be no more than 75 or so.
to the post about not enough merit picks, there is at least 75 exempts. a class of 175 would need 51-53 merits, so it is possible but not likely.
I am some what confused by those who are advocating "doing nothing". I understand you feel wronged, but remember one thing the offender you may not go after today may be the same offender that victimizes one of your loved ones. Look what happened to Spider Man, let the crook go and he ended up shooting spider mans uncle, I know it is a lame example but do you think it can't happen. We all have to live in this city...
I am not saying I have any answers but to do nothing is ludicrous, if we don't look out for our families who will?
WHY DOES NYPD, LAPD, FEDS, AND STATE POLICE ETC HAVE A 20YEAR 80% AND WE HAVE 29 AND 75%??????
ANYONE, ANYONE?
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Actually, the State Police is 80% at 26.9 years. They've been trying to negotiate 25 and out for awhile now.
To: Although the stress of the politics of this job has destroyed me, I still try and work hard and always do the right thing...
And:WOW! I was just thinking the same thing the other day as I was in a hole reading a magazine. I'm sitting there and start chuckling to myself.because I have become 'that dog'..
-You both sound like a bunch of pussys! Wahhhhhhhh Wahhhhhhhh
Get a grip and do your fucken job!!!
The old timers knew how to cover their ass and how to get something done in a hurry if need be. If a policeman was shot, it was the old timers who embarked on the reign of terror until the offender was caught.
If some old timer had helped out those two guys in 025 who knocked the shit out of Mearday they would still be on the job. All those two PO's had to do was tell the truth, that yes an officer knocked him cold with the Mag light and here is why....
My FTO, some 25 years ago, taught me not to lie on a case report because it can come back to bite you in many different ways, once you put it on paper, your married to that bullshit report.
Write the truth, even if damaging, and then justify it the best you can. You are better off than getting caught writing a fairy tale.
That way of doing things has gotten me through 25 years of working the streets with zero suspension days and zero sustained CR's.
One more thing, use force when needed, when resistance stops, so should your use of force. You can justify that, you can't justify trimming people. That is nothing new never mind the war stories. Even "back in the day" 25 years ago I recall PO's making the pilgrimage down to Federal court sweating out a Federal trial.
write the mayor a letter we cant even vote in the fop election 38% of active members voted. then you have 81% for our retired members.that is sad and just lazy so stop with all this bullshit about the fop when you cant take 5 min to vote.we like to bitch but then we dont do anything to change it.
TO: 4/09/2008 03:43:00 AM
With great power comes great responsibility....
hey 410pm, many of the veterans that u say "dont do jack" did more in a few yrs than u will EVER do in your career. I have 9yrs on and i respect old timers. I dont mind if they dog it a bit, they done and seen it all. i know one thing for sure, i rather see a 25 yr vet coming to a 10-1 than a 1 yr wonder. he may not want to do shit but when shit hits the fan, he knows what to do and that i RESPECT!
WHY DOES NYPD, LAPD, FEDS, AND STATE POLICE ETC HAVE A 20YEAR 80% AND WE HAVE 29 AND 75%??????
ANYONE, ANYONE?
Because of Mayor Daley, Nolan, Donahue...and the list goes on and on.
We could have what ever we wanted if we would stick together.
The FEDS don't have that neither does LAPD. I swear fucking police are like sheep they hear something one time and it is gospel. LAPD does have what is called the DROP, look it up youngster I don't feel like typing anymore, except to say the FEDS have what is called a THRIFT look that up too you dumb fuck.
4/09/2008 01:02:00 AM
DROP is an added benefit not their retirement...ur the ass...
To you holier than thou.....you speak of doing right and blah blah blah. Its now survival of the fittest. Mette, Cozzi, and the untold number of people now taking days for what were once considered minor infractions. Are you in the BIS program? Have you been subjected to intrusive urine and blood tests because oyu work in 005 because everyone beefs there. Go save the world tough guy, we will need you pension money when you get canned.
Then they wonder why only 38% of the active members voted in the election.
WHY DOES NYPD, LAPD, FEDS, AND STATE POLICE ETC HAVE A 20YEAR 80% AND WE HAVE 29 AND 75%??????
ANYONE, ANYONE?
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This is an untrue statement. Quit believing all of the bullshit that you hear while waiting for roll call to start. Take a minute to look this shit up, you will find out the truth and you won't have a knot in your stomach. Quit whining about what everyone else has and put some of that energy into doing some work. Whiners, bitchers, complainers. The job is and has always has been full of them. You don't like what we make? I'd like to make more also. Go to a union meeting, put in your two cents and if you are unhappy vote the slate out. Or quit. But in any case, shut the fuck up.
My FTO, some 25 years ago, taught me not to lie on a case report because it can come back to bite you in many different ways, once you put it on paper, your married to that bullshit report.
You and I must've had the same FTO. Mine pretty much said the same thing. He WORKED til the day he retired with 30 something years on. He told me on a daily basis "Don't lie in your reports or on the stand, and always do the right thing and you'll never have to worry about that phone call in the middle of the night." I wasn't sure what he meant at the time, but 20 plus years later, I do. And I've followed his advice. I've watched alot of coppers go down for stupid sh*t: lies, theft, administering street justice or losing your temper over some silly crap like some mope calls you a name. I've had three CR#s, none sustained, never been sued, and will continue to work until I pull the plug. For all the youngsters on the job: Bottom line? Respect that badge you wear. Stay straight, do your job, do the right thing and don't let them get to you.
Did anyone wake up the boys at FOP and tell them there is a shakeup.
To: Although the stress of the politics of this job has destroyed me, I still try and work hard and always do the right thing...
And:WOW! I was just thinking the same thing the other day as I was in a hole reading a magazine. I'm sitting there and start chuckling to myself.because I have become 'that dog'..
-You both sound like a bunch of pussys! Wahhhhhhhh Wahhhhhhhh
Get a grip and do your fucken job!!!
4/09/2008 06:41:00 AM
Not you again, the tough guy that types the crying sound on every post? Didn't think the first post said he wasn't a worker. With all that waahhing you do, you obviously are too young to read. Its okay, we understand, we'll wait for you to grow up.
Anonymous said...
WHY DOES NYPD, LAPD, FEDS, AND STATE POLICE ETC HAVE A 20YEAR 80% AND WE HAVE 29 AND 75%??????
ANYONE, ANYONE?
Where do you get your facts that aren't facts? The Troopers get 80% after 26 yrs 8 mos. They contribute 12% of their pay unlike you who only contributes 9%.
You're probably wrong on the rest too! I can't say for sure because I'm obviously not as smart as you think you are.
FYI, Your statement regarding the removal of Capparelli's biography is incorrect. Although the page has always been there, John never had a biography posted. I know because I checked them way before this change was made.
Eat it! We dont have to explain anyting U Cloutless fools!!!
Very smart that the FOP put in print the voter turn out in our most recent election.
You fuckin idiots think you deserve so much but can't send in a ballot that is postage paid.
If anyone thinks that City Hall does not notice that think again.
I remember people bitching about 80% pension. FOP arranged for buses to be at all of the areas to take a ride down to Springfield. The usual suspects showed up and beat the pavement. Most others had nothing but excuses.
We received enhancements but when they were not 80% people started crying. The motherfuckers crying could not take a ride on the buses though...
There are only a select few that bother to vote, show up for rallies, take time out of their live to do a little work to better our lives, etc.
Until others get up off their asses things will remain the same.
All for one, and every man for himself...
6:58am, 7:30pm
both youz guyz sound like you were
born at a revival meeting!
Capparelli was asked point blank at the meeting yesterday what was going on with his removal from the designation of field rep.
He sidestepped the question and simply said he was going to be working at a Detective Area very soon but would continue to perform his duties as Treasurer.
He is no longer working in the FOP office but presumably will be working as a detective. And I guess as Treasurer on the side.
Rich Aguilar will be coming inside to work in the FOP office.
Does anyone know what is up with this?
When the membership does not know rumors start and we are left to wonder, what the hell happened?
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