Promotion Restrictions?
One of the amusing things about this site is the rapidity with which rumors can catch fire and spread. A rumor or a policy decision appears on the blog and suddenly it's gospel. Watch the bosses scurry.
Of course, we should use this power for good once in a while, too. So let's try to find out where this rumor started:
Of course, we should use this power for good once in a while, too. So let's try to find out where this rumor started:
- The story someone posted earlier about J Fed being named in a CR# is true.
Last weekend J Fed, Brust (sp) Skahill and others were in 003. They responded to a call of a man with a gun (domestic) who also fired a shot while the victim was calling 911. The offender was arrested as he tried to run out the back door and 2 guns recovered. Felony charges (convicted felon UUW) approved.
The Officers put J Fed etc, in the case report(not arrest report)as being on the scene. Great job!!
While all exempts were there on scene, the offender threatens to call OPS and have everyone fired. Everyone laughs!
Well guess what..........Momma, who let everyone in , gets a CR with a bunch of phony allegations. Because he's on the paper, J Fed is named as an accused.
Flash forward to this weekend......
J Fed at 003 midnight roll call. He now understands that people make false accusations against officers that are doing the right thing. He is now going to "rethink" their new policy of denying a promotion to anyone with an open CR.
"new policy of denying a promotion to anyone with an open CR"? Where in the hell did this come from? Promotions are granted via test (and political ass kissing). We're pretty sure this would be a violation of a number of sections of the existing labor contracts. Not only that, there is existing precedent of persons with numerous open CR numbers and even sustained CR findings being promoted. We can cite more than one person who was off the job when their number came up on a promotional list and after they got their jobs back, they were in the next available class.
Can anyone cite an actual policy, directive, order or notice that would prevent a person from receiving a promotion based on an unfinished disciplinary process?
Can anyone cite an actual policy, directive, order or notice that would prevent a person from receiving a promotion based on an unfinished disciplinary process?
Labels: promotions
posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
40 Comments:
looks like I'm not getting promoted anytime soon.
ITS NOT DO-ABLE
THE CITY WOULD GET CREAMED IN A LAWSUIT.
THE CITY ONLY RECOURSE FOR PUNISHMENT IS SUSPENSION,WRITE UPS OR TERMINATION.
THAT WHY THEY DONT DEMOTE DICK ANYMORE OLD LAWSUITS...
He got his first cr lets watch how it is investigated! But will the cr count as he is not the police? And will never be!
hey J-(fuck the police)FED has it hit you yet what you gots yourself into?$25,000 a month is great but going to all these rallies and churches following future club fed member daley aint gunna stop the kids getting kilt,railroading members of the dept. you are the top dog of will get you no repect,it seems you more interested in what some cops did in the past,mistakes were made,po's paid the price,how about looking ahead J(not the police)FED and worry why manpower might be the worst ever,why morale is no doubt the lowest its ever been and you are a very big part of that,how about giving us the tools to do our job,pdt's that work,cars with cages in them,more po's not commanders in fast undermanned districs,why don't you go to more roll calls and speak to the bloodline of this dept.-patrol-and have them tell you what they see everyday and the problems they encounter being on the front line,your 5th floor white shirts can't tell you what the front line po's see everyday,if your serious about being top cop of the 2nd biggest PD why don't you walk the walk,cuz right now your just talk.If you took this job as serious as you do your cats or working out,something would be done,cuz bike patrols and commanders on weekends and 50desk dogs from 35th aint gunna do shit,since your 1st day what is the homicide count?Its not even summer yet,you aint seent nuting yet JPW.
Well I know for sure this CR is bull because I was drinking with Jody in full uniform and the entire thing is caught on tape. I was a little surprised though when the bartender cut him off and he ran behind the bar with a chainsaw and then started to download porn onto the bars computer.
I believe there is something about not being able to retire with full pension if you have open cr investigations, right?
Wait, Weis needs to hit the streets to learn that everyone lies to cops. Not one thing outta peoples mouths are true to us. And to think, that people lie to OPS and make up shit, really?
There is a first time for everything. Its just flat out fucked up that our "top cop" didn't get his first BS CR until he was......"top cop". Shows why you hire from the inside. This dumb ass had to get one before he thought twice about the process. Can we change his name to O.D. - Outside Dummy
Maybe he's talking about merit promotions
SCC, this is fact. J-Fed wanted a new GO that would say something similar to what this post is about. The GO would read something like any open CR#'s for anything other than for administrative violations would deny any officer from promotion until said CR# is closed.
The legal department told J-Fed it would neve float and sent it back to be reworded. I can't and won't discuss any other new GO's and SO's being talked about but, they are really bad.
I would bet several paychecks on this. The CPD under J-Fed and Da Mayor want the tea totaling dept not the CPD. The order on the way will make this job a living nightmare for any supervisor on this job. The FOP is going to have up our dues for the legal battles that are coming under this Socaialist Supt and Commie Mayor.
J-Fed and his royal assholeness are out of their minds. Nobody I repeat nobody will want this job by the time J-Fed is done with us. We will be the gestapo and hate our existence with this clown running the ship.
What everyone is forgetting to say is good job to the P.O's that were smart enough to include him on their paper. Bravo! This would have never meant anything had they not had the foresight to remember to put the big boss on there.
Don't worry, he will flip on the officers and be given immunity.
Anonymous said...
I believe there is something about not being able to retire with full pension if you have open cr investigations, right?
4/07/2008 01:02:00 AM
And you cannot have a retirement party poster until your cleared! Ask the only fop leader with any balls Ken Watt, how gloria majercyk and delia ffrom 008 fucked him good, on bullshit 2 women who have no clue how to be the police did a stupid thing to him!
IM LAUGHING REAL HARD..WHAT DO YOU MEAN JODY NEEDS TO HIT THE STREET TO SEE THAT PEOPLE LIE TO THE POLICE..YOU FORGOT, JODY IS THE fbi THEY LIED TO EVERYONE. AND HAS BEEN LIEING TO THE POLICE FOR YEARS..HA HA THAT WAS FUNNY YOU MUST TO A PPO.
How long will his c.r. be held open?
I was in the last Sgt's class that was promoted. I studied hard and got lucky, I scored in the low double digits. About two weeks before they announced the class I received 4 c.r's in as many days. One was 5 years old, one was 4 years old, one was 3 and the other was 2 years old. I wrote the usual b.s. to/from and never heard from them again. I don't know the policy on c.r's and getting promoted but they certainly cleared mine up. They were all b.s. beefs that could have been addressed long ago, it's scary how long the department keeps these things. If I didn't get promoted I would have never even known about them.
Only merit promotions are blocked for open cr's' That was always the case and it is a great idea. FU merit JO's
Don't worry, he will flip on the officers and be given immunity.
4/07/2008 08:23:00 AM
HAHAHAHAHAH. Funny.
No promtions well dam I will call ed burke watch how quick I get promoted! "The envelope please"!
I'm working in the streets every night dealing with these dogs!
No wonder I didn't get promoted to Sergeant or Detective!
I'll bet if I were working in a CAPS office somewhere on days, I would get promoted in a heart beat!
I've got three open beefs because of these Westside dogasses!
Welcome to my world J-FED!
I am a working copper!
4/07/2008 01:02:00 AM
"I believe there is something about not being able to retire with full pension if you have open cr investigations, right?"
False, you get what is appropriately due you as it relates to your years of service and your age, but your exit from cpd is noted under a different resignation code. Instead of Resigned-Pension it is Resigned- Under Investigation.
If you are done working, it means nothing really, but if you are looking to get another job, it can really mess you up for another job after cpd. Who would want you after they find out that you resigned while being investigated? And, if you do not think they find out, either officially or unofficailly, guess again. And it definitely applies if you are looking to score another city job.
The other kicker is, even if you have enough service years and are 50 years of age, you do not get a retired star or retired identification card if you resign under investigation. That screws up your right to carry as a retired police officer under the Illinois Retired Officers Concealed Carry (IROCC) program. You do not qualify if you cannot produce the id card.
Bottom line is, stay safe, keep your nose clean, live long enough to retire, and then live many more enjoyable years to get the most money you can from your retirement annuity, which is your pension. That's the best revenge. Fuck J-Mayor, J-Fed and all these white shirt suckholes, but if you can make rank, good for you! It will help make your pension even more enjoyable!
Just get CRs on everyone who scores above you on the promotional exam (or those you know are gonna be given merit). looks like I have to only file about 800 CRs and I'm in the next class of SGTs.
Hey J-Fed! Why don't you tell the media how easy it is to get a BS CR#? Or do you only talk to the media about things that make us look bad?
Jfed are you looking into Daley's son stealing from the city?
if one is without ones police powers due to a serious beef one cannot be promotoed.
This condition is called restricted duty.
In other words one has to be in possession of his star and ID card or full duty.
The pension question is answered thusly
If one has an open serious CR number then one cannot qualify for the HR218 retiree concealed carry
But one gets the pension he earned based on formulated salary ( best four out of last 10) and years of service
If one has been indicted to Official misconduct then I believe that the pension bd can hold the pension up until that matter is disposed of in court with a not guilty verdict
Having been through the promotion process a couple of times with open CR#s, I believe the policy is to either clear the CR#s or complete them prior to the promotion date. If they are cleared no problem; if they are completed and sustained, depending on the seriousness, you may not get promoted; OTOH, if its a sustained beef but minor, you may get only a quick reprimand or a quick 1 or 2 day hit prior to the promotion. You'd be surprised how fast they can process a CR# when it come to promotions.
"I believe there is something about not being able to retire with full pension if you have open cr investigations, right?"
False, you get what is .......
Thank you sir for taking the time to provide that information. I was not familiar, as probably most of us aren't. I appreciate when we can utilize this blog for sharing of information that is beneficial to our well being.
Anonymous said
If you are done working, it means nothing really, but if you are looking to get another job, it can really mess you up for another job after cpd. Who would want you after they find out that you resigned while being investigated? And, if you do not think they find out, either officially or unofficailly, guess again. And it definitely applies if you are looking to score another city job.
The other kicker is, even if you have enough service years and are 50 years of age, you do not get a retired star or retired identification card if you resign under investigation. That screws up your right to carry as a retired police officer under the Illinois Retired Officers Concealed Carry (IROCC) program. You do not qualify if you cannot produce the id card.
4/07/2008 07:37:00 PM
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While I believe this information is essentially correct, I would add that I also believe that it all depends, at least to some extent, on the nature and severity of the CR investigation. I have been gone a while, and things may have changed a bit, but at one time minor allegations were simply administratively not sustained, or filed to be completed only if reinstatement was sought. More serious allegations, may have been held on the record. I don't remember there being any seperate codes for retirement, but there may have been. All this was prior the passage of the federal concealed carry law. For anyone that is seriously concerned about this, a call to the Pension Board would easily clear up any questions. They are pretty helpful people over there.
These are the kind of things that all of you should make it your business to know about, as early as you can.
Only merit promotions are blocked for open cr's' That was always the case and it is a great idea. FU merit JO's
4/07/2008 06:17:00 PM
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Shouldn't you be studying rather than reading the blog .....ACE?
4/08/2008 10:19:00 AM
"I have been gone a while, and things may have changed a bit, but at one time minor allegations were simply administratively not sustained, or filed to be completed only if reinstatement was sought. More serious allegations, may have been held on the record. I don't remember there being any seperate codes for retirement, but there may have been."
Did you leave the department prior the 1990's ? You must have because things have changed since then. There are different codes for your exit status when you leave the department. If you have an open C.R. on the day you retire, any C.R., you are resigned under investigation. Period. Even if the number(s) is classified other than sustained at a later date, you still resigned under investigation. If it is eventually sustained, the discipline, not the investigation, is held in wait of your return, if you ever return. Remember what the kids on this blog tell us all the time, this ain't your Father's department anymore.
SCC and the 4/07/08 7:37PM Poster
Sounds like good info maybe even some inside info. This has happened to both P.O.'s and Sgts.some who have retired others who went on disability.
There is no G.O., D.N.or S.O. that gives Personnel the right to do this to sworn members when they retire or go on disability leave of absence.Nobody ever questions the term "resign" instead of retire? Amazingly the FOP never has gone after the Dept.for this. Rumor has it that if you got the connections you will get your star and I.D. no matter what conditions you left under.
This policy can be directly traced to Sgt R.G. This is his "secret" made up policy where he picks and chooses who gets punished and who doesn't.Check on it you will find Sgt.R.G. is the person behind this made up punishment and the Lts and Director of Personnel let this asshole run the show and do what he wants at Personnel.
Anybody ever try to go down there with an FOP attorney and see their Personnel file with something like this in it? I would promise you Sgt. R.G. will never let someone with this in their personnel file ever review the file. This is the kind of stuff that should be fought by the FOP because it is a violation of the sworn members civil rights. Hey think J-Fed will indict Sgt. R.G.???????
The only thing that can strip a qualified person (20 years service and 50 years of age) of his pension is a felony conviction. No felony conviction, you get your pension.
If you're fired but not convicted of a felony, you get your pension, but no health insurance or anything else.
If you retire while under investigation, you get your pension and qualify for medical insurance, but no retirement star/ID card, no letter from the mayor (whoopeee) and your name cannot be put on any poster for parties.
There have been people who retired with open C.R. numbers who were given their retirement credentials, but they were almost always minor beefs with reprimands or a couple of days penalty. Many times they let that shit slide. There have even been a few cases of people retiring under investigation who got their stuff because of a phone call, but that was before H.B. 218.
Right now, if you have an unresolved C.R. against you and you retire, no star/ID card. If the star/ID matters to you, then you can't retire with an open C.R. You have to wait until it's done.
Once it's done, if you get a suspension and serve it, even a 30 day suspension, you can then retire and you get everything.
If you retire under investigation, the F.O.P. will still give you a star as long as you qualify for a pension. It's not good enough for concealed carry, but it's better than nothing.
4/08
10:22pm
So you work 30 years and turn 63 and retire to find out that IAD never cleared up an old CR#. So who gets treated like shit? Of course you do the poor P.O. who gave all those years to this shit Dept so Sgt R.G. from Personnel can play his games.
Did you leave the department prior the 1990's ? You must have because things have changed since then.
No, actually I left in the 90's, but I believe that one of the subsequent posters has it correct: Most of this confusion results from the fact that people in the Personnel Division often seem to think that they can save the world by making up there own rules, even in the absence of policy. This has gone on for years. I may be wrong aabout this, but as I recall in order to lose your pension because of a conviction of a felony, it must be from a duty related incident, which obviously can probably be stretched to include a lot of things. That would be in the State Law that establishes the pension.I don't remember if the PAR Form entry was Retirement or Resigned to Accept Pension, but that really is unimportant. I signed enough of the damn things, but the memory fades rapidly. One thing I absolutely agree with, "It is not my Department any more."
Again, I recommend contacting the Pension Board about much of this. In my experience the people that work there really try to be helpful, a rarity among city employees.
4/09/2008 11:27:00 AM
I remember an instructor in the academy who said do not ask the following question: "what if.....?"
"What if a 63 year old is forced out and has an open C.R?"
OK, as far as I know there is no written definitive rule regarding what I said (4/08/2008 10:22:00 PM). So far everything is based on past practices. Past practices has been no retirement ID if you retire under investigation. On a case by case basis, people with minor beefs who retire have been given their shit, and in a few cases, people with CLOUT (I.E. Supes Office) have been given theirs. But since the passage of H.B. 218, things are different.
R.G. will not give anyone retirement ID if they go out under a cloud. If it's a minor matter, maybe he'll give it to you. You'll have to take that up with him or his superiors. But I know that if you retire with a possible firing offense hanging over your head, no way you get it.
If that doesn't answer your question, call personnel and ask him.
4/09
11:53pm
Thanks for the info. Seems Sgt R.G. is the problem down there. Nothing in writing by Personnel, no directives or any documentation by the Dept. allowing this or justifying this to happen.There are cases where the P.O. retired or LOA and Dept still pursued the CR#. After those were closed Sgt R.G. still refused to give P.O. what they had coming. Seems Sgt R.G. is like so many inside people on this job, they forget what it is to be an everyday working copper. He's been down there too long and allowed to run things his way too long hopefully the miserable prick will retire soon. Or better yet the FOP and a good attorney will get the balls to file a class action suit or some type of lawsuit. All it takes is the proof that one person got their stuff and the others didn't then the city and Sgt R.G. would have to explain that. Wishful thinking it will never happen cause the FOP don't care and coppers never help each other out or stick together.
4/07/2008 01:02:00 AM
And you cannot have a retirement party poster until your cleared! Ask the only fop leader with any balls Ken Watt, how gloria majercyk and delia ffrom 008 fucked him good, on bullshit 2 women who have no clue how to be the police did a stupid thing to him!
Listen stupid if you dont know all the facts dont comment. them two girls should sue mr balls ken watt. he is very ignorant, always has been. good for the girls with balls for standing up to him.he was warned to stop and just would not,i hope they get a lawyler and sue him and the stupid bosses for protecting him. get um girls !!!!!!
they should look at the promotion of Capt RW star #1 who asked officers to fill out a School Violence Form when there was a fight at a school, same Capt called news affairs, when there is anything that could put her in good gratiious with the new Commanders, but she knows all the menus form downtown eating places, and sends a car down to get food, and lies on her reports as car status -Jfed should look into this.
COMMENT TO STUPID-------- YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP. I AM GOING TO CONTACT THESE GIRLS AND BE A WITNESS TO THE LAW SUIT, JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW WHEN TO LET IT GO. THESE 2 GIRLS HAD EVERY RIGHT. I WAS THERE SO SHUT THE F@@@@ UP. I WISH I HAD THE BALLS WHEN HE DID THE SAME TO ME. BUT NO,I HAD TO WORRY BOUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT JUST WONT MIND YOUR OWN. I HOPE YOUR SISTER,MOTHER OR WIFE NEVER HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THAT. JUST LET IT GO MAN!
K. Watt one of the biggest racists and woman hating human being that has ever existed. I worked with him in 007 and 008 and he was and always be a jagoooof. F U K.Watt. Reap what you sow. I am amazed that he is an officer of our Union? He should be fired.
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