Sunday, April 27, 2008

Let's Count So Far

  • Has anything that has come out of J-Fed's mouth been even remotely true yet? Or close to reality? Let's review:
    • fitness standards
    • uniform standards
    • same gun for everyone
    • 12 hour shifts
    • new cars
    • working computers
    • capable radios
And now we're supposed to get rifles? Has anyone actually seen this "order" yet?

Don't get us wrong, we'd love to see heavy weapons in the hands of trained coppers on the street each and every day. But let's look at a few of the stumbling blocks in our way here:
  • How many rifles? One per car? Five per district? Stored where? Transported where and how?
  • One comment said "15 years on and 90% or better on your ratings." All well and good - except under 20% of the Department has 15 years or more. And the last rating card we signed was years ago - they haven't rated anyone except civilians in at least 6 years, maybe more.
  • Are they training sergeants? Almost pointless - they better make a few hundred more so the rifles have a 50-50 chance of actually being on the street.
  • Tact and Gangs? Besides not having 15 years, what happens when Tact and Gangs are detailed out of the district to the west and south sides? Or to the parades? Or training days? Or sting day? Or they're wrapping up a bunch of warrants?
  • Only Specialized Units or Area Teams? Again, a waste of time if these teams are being detailed out. Plus, these teams have other jobs to do. Many times they aren't even reachable by radio.
We know that we're going to get a bunch of comments saying crap like, "Give Jody and chance!" or "You're such a pessimist - this is the greatest thing in the world!" We're completely willing to give this a chance to work, but we've been here long enough to know how the City works and how the Department works. We haven't even covered the City bidding and City purchasing nightmares (this would be for new weapons, not refurbished M-16's or used M-4's).

If the Department and the mayor wanted to give us some equalizers, there are at least five shotguns in each district already. One or two of them might actually work if you dust them off. Why not get those out? Of course, during the recent inventory, it was discovered that there were only 5 boxes of shells, each about 7 years old.

UPDATE: As was pointed out in the comments - where do we train thousands of cops on rifles? The FBI range SWAT uses was shut down in February or March by either a judicial order or the feebs themselves after an activist brought in a bunch of "fragments" that he allegedly found at a nearby playground. Call us pessimists again, but we don't think the FBI range is long for this world in the current Illinois political climate.

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213 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like they say in Arizona...it is a dry heat.

In Chicago, it is not the heat that will get you - it is the humidity.

Well, take the CPD logic of "we will get them the rifles" and they can use them "WHEN THEY ALL HAVE BEEN TRAINED"....

That is the catch phrase, when we all have been trained on them - we can use them. How long is it taking to get officers who purchased the Glocks trained and ready to go? And those were not issued, they were voluntarily purchased.

While we might get the the M4's (I don't think we will)if we DO get them, I am sure the normal cops like me (you) will not get trained anytime soon.

4/27/2008 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

one more would be how j-fed has a big time hard on for coppers. boys and girls, this guy is out to jackpot as many people as he can. a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing and as treacherous as they come. hit that car, get coffee and paper, and throw out the anchor. you are not getting paid by the mile on this job. if you get out of the car and do anything you are risking your job. if you think "it can never happen to me" you are dead wrong. it will be something you never saw coming.

4/27/2008 12:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is fantanstic news!

4/27/2008 12:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here's an old retired cop saying-You have it much worse. That is the truth. I was one of those saying please write the paper drivers tickets! I am horrified by what young police officers are experiencing. I loved this job, even when I had to work with jerks. Because there was always a cop I could talk to. I drank and lied with the best of them. I went to their weddings and christenings and funerals. If there was a thing I could do to make this job tolerable and even fun for you, I would. I am insulted and horrified! I would and will do, anything to make ALL OF YOU GLAD you became the police. Stand together. Whether it's do nothing or do something, stand together. Let outsiders say what they will, but never let another speak ill of your brother or sister without your defense. This man who wants to lead you? Is he a friend or a foe? Together you will decide. Come together, surround him with your brotherhood. The brotherhood that has done everything it ever had to do, united and successfully.

4/27/2008 01:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF THE TOPIC: "Sharpton vows to 'close this city' after officer acquittals".........Where the F$#@ are these guys when their people are killing each other on the streets. Where is Jessie? Goes to show they are police hating, race baiting, pieces of crap. Why don't you have a rally in Chicago to stop the shooting.....oh yah the piece of shit gangbangers are killing eachother, the police didnt shoot them. What camera hungry parasites!!!!

4/27/2008 01:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

average tact/gang guy works 5.5 hrs per day. then gun days reanining days bye days,..etc. that makes average tact gang district face time three hours per day........

4/27/2008 02:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J-Fed ran his mouth before he knew that there's no money in the budget for anything. Once again, he must have confused his budget with that of the FBI! We don't have any decent pool cars at the area and we're going to get Tahoes?Yeah, we'll get Tahoes and rifles when Richie gets rid of all of his patronage cronies! Not in my life time! Did Richie tell him that the Supt. thing was an easy gig? J-Fed and the Mayor better keep doing the rain dance and hope that it stays cold all summer so they don't have to make good on the promises. Someone needs to have a defibrilator at Daley's next news conference because he looks like he's ready to blow!
We should all just sit back and enjoy the show! Watch them make promises that they can't keep!

Maybe there would be some money for equipment if it wasn't all going to pay settlements for bull shit law suits. What happens when you put the average citizen on a jury? Do their minds just turn to mush? The same people that watch the news every night and complain about what is going on, lose their common sense when they are told to go and deliberate. Suddenly, they look over at the mope, all cleaned up, gang banger tatoos covered with a dress shirt and sport coat and think, no, not him! I think that every cop, accused of anything, should literally be tried by a jury of his peers, a bunch of coppers! I only think that it's fair! God Bless that Judge in New York....finally, someone with some common sense and intelligence!

4/27/2008 02:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

how are we going to get rifles when dont even have spare tires in the trunk??

4/27/2008 02:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The rifle program won't go anywhere. We have no outdoor ranges to train on. It would take years to get the program rolling with the limited number of instructors available. Two of our indoor ranges could handle rifle but can't exhaust the acrid smoke that would be produced by rifles.

4/27/2008 02:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They won't even let us take out shotguns, now they are talking M4's
which can be full auto. Well I gues they mean M-16 and probably semi-auto. But still not a chance of ever leaving the station---pipe dream......What's next cars to take home so it looks like we are all over the place? But than I wake up!

4/27/2008 02:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This will only happen if one of the Mayor's relative's has a valid FFL card.

4/27/2008 03:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think that you have to give J-Fed about a year from now before you rip him a new asshole. Maybe some of his statements will come true. You never know.

Yes, he's in over his head at this point, but maybe in 6 months he'll get his act together.

He came through in a few promises already. Let's wait and see.

My main question to J-Fed is WHY does the CPD have the highest rate of DIVORCE, SUICIDE, and ALCOHOLISM compared to the general public?

Is it because of working 6 days in a row? Or because there is too much stress on this job?

And if J-Fed asked where this stress comes from???? Oddly enough the answer would not be from the public but from the incompetent bosses that run this department. They are clueless.

The CPD bosses want to screw over as many of the officers as they can.

"You arrested 10 people last week but you missed traffic court. That's a day without pay" Sorry.

The way this department is run promotes officers to not to be proactive.

Why arrest offenders if i'll lose a day's pay if i miss court.

Just answer calls and do as little as possible. The 1st & the 16th.

The working copper gets hurt the most.

And J-Fed...lay off of the fitness thing. 75% of your officers has children and work part-time jobs to pay for a decent education.

Daley's school system SUCKS!

So J-FED...Maybe it is time to come to our side to figure out why we are so SUICIDAL, ALCOHOLISTIC, AND DIVORCED?

Get on our side and leave the reverends behind. Your Officers will respect you a lot more.

4/27/2008 03:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This looks like it is going back like the 20's were coppers carried tommy-guns. But only we can't take them out. Look lil PPO you can look, but you can't touch or take out while on patrol...M4's

4/27/2008 03:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>there are at least five shotguns in each district already. One or two of them might actually work if you dust them off. Why not get those out?<

The shotgun is a valuable tool, to be sure. That said, knowingly going into harm's way, I would opt for the platform that allows me to put the most lead down range as fast and as accurately as possible. That is the AR platform:

- it's more compact
- has a Day/Night capability
- much better ammo capacity
- way better ergonomics
- much faster follow up shots
- quicker to reload
- recoil much easier to manage

All things considered, I would love to have both a Mossberg 500 shotgun AND an M-4 carbine accessible in every squad car. Given a choice of only one or the other, however, the M-4 wins out hands down

4/27/2008 04:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is a Dereliction of Duty by the Superintendent of Police to send officers into harms way without the tools to protect themselves properly. The F(L)OP should demand rifles for every squad car, and the training to go along with them.

Anything less is completely and utterly unacceptable

4/27/2008 04:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...these kids today fucked up their own thing with the "what about me or where's mine
attitude". I have seen so called "coppers" cry when they got punched, run in a fight and have no sense of discipline or respect for command structure.
A comment like that kinda makes me wonder what you actually did in Nam.

4/25/2008 12:54:00 PM

In Vietnam I did as little as possible. I was in the rear with the gear. Today's Army hires contractors to do what I used to do. Four months after graduating high school and one month after starting college I got drafted. Nobody ever apologized for fucking with my life, they just gave me a bunch of shitty jobs and a rifle I never fired in combat. But I made sergeant. A month before I got out, sitting in a California airport, some hippies threw cups of urine on me and three other soldiers. I caught one and beat him so hard I broke bones in both hands. It was the only injury I had in the Army and I lost my stripes.

My dad was CFD and when I got home he said work for the city. I got on CPD a year or so before they imposed racial hiring quotas. In those days if someone pissed on a copper we could give 'em a lick with the hickory stick. If a gangster popped a pistol at you, we could return fire with a Roaring Remington.

But things have changed. Nowadays if someone pisses on a copper you just smile for the camera and enjoy the warm feeling. If you pull your popgun and shoot back at a gangster Al Sharpton and Jesse will have your pension, your job and your freedom. If I arrest a minority, I am a racist. If I shoot a wild animal, I am a murderer. If I frisk a gangbanger, my reward will be a CR# and I'll get to sit in front of a cop-hating racist bitch at IPRA.

So when shift starts I do as little as possible. I usually just get my coffee and watch the sun come up over the lake. The only thing I will do is back up another officer and answer calls. Jody might give me one of those M-4's. But just like Vietnam, it's a rifle I'll never fire in combat because the first time a copper fires one they'll all go back into the stations alongside the shotguns.

Yes, there are coppers on this job who cry or run in a fight. But they are very, very rare. As for respecting what you call a "command structure," you must mean all the merit clowns wearing white shirts. I got no respect for them either.

4/27/2008 06:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know one thing, we have the rifles. We've had them for over a year sitting down at the academy. I don't know why they haven't started training before now, probably public relations. I'm pretty sure that each district will get 3 or 4 (we have enough) and they will be mounted in the sgts tahoe.

4/27/2008 06:18:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone that believes Rich Daley will actually allow rank and file coppers, ie; No clout ones, to carry M-4s probably needs to visit the headcracker for a tune up.

4/27/2008 06:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Igottamillionofem said...

Speaking of having a heavy weapon in your hand, what's one definition of a real man?

Someone who can masturbate while watching "The View."

4/27/2008 06:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just can't wait to see all of the M855 sailing randomly through Chicago's neighborhoods...

4/27/2008 07:13:00 AM  
Blogger ShavedLongcock said...

Police Humor

The current Mayor Daley passes away while in office just like his father.

The day after the Mayor passes away a Chicago cop calls City Hall and asked to talk with Mayor Daley. The operator tells the officers, I am so sorry, the Mayor passed away yesterday.

5 minutes later the same cop calls City hall back, and asked to talk with Mayor Daley. The operator tells the officers, I am so sorry, the Mayor passed away yesterday.

5 more minutes later the same cop calls City hall back, and asked to talk with Mayor Daley. The operator tells the officers, I am so sorry, the Mayor passed away yesterday.

5 more minutes later the same cop calls City hall back, and asked to talk with Mayor Daley. The operator asks the cop, are you the same cop who has called a few times? The cop responds, Yes. The operator says, I told you the Mayor is dead, why do you keep calling back?

The officer says, I JUST LOVE HEARING IT!

4/27/2008 07:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You will never see a SWAT operator on the street with an unloaded rifle.

4/26/2008 10:26:00 AM

Wow! An operator! Someone has been pleasuring themselves while watching Black Hawk Down again. A job full of retards. Most of you SWAT fucks shouldn't even have water pistols.

4/27/2008 07:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY, IF CPS TEACHERS CAN LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY WHY CANT WE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4/27/2008 07:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

let the scum bag lawyers pay for the rifles. they'll make their money back after just one lawsuit against the city, sad, but true.

4/27/2008 08:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like the stupid idea to give Detectives shotguns and M4s after one was killed. Give it out to where it will do the least amount of good. Knee jerk reactions, guess the Ex-Feds are no better.

4/27/2008 08:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why hasn't there been another training scheduled yet for approved striker-fired handguns? Is something in the works? Let's get that done first.

4/27/2008 08:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Supt. Weis

--we have a number of officers that have been members of the military { those with infantry, cav scouts, etc. MOS)I'm not talking about guys in supply, medics, or admin people.-- some of them trained, qualified, and carried m4's or m16's for 3 years or more.


--Make the qualifications and training hard.

--Stop that bullshit about not allowing police officers to register this type of rifle in the city- at least allow them to own and register ONE.

-- I bet some officers are willing to purchase their own m4's (upwards of $700) and seek their own training. Bet ya didn't know that some officers spend their uniform allowance on training courses and ammo, not just at the bar.

4/27/2008 08:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC: you guys beat me to the punch. I was telling the wife last night that we have four shotguns in every station. Let's start taking these weapons out each and every shift. Put back the shotgun rack in the trunk. Have officers who actually would like the responsibility
of checking one out do so.

This idea of giving everyone a M-4 is foolish at best. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for our officers being trained etc. etc. But come on, we all at times cringe when certain officers who shouldn't even be on the job drive off in a squad car. And to give them an M-4. Scary.

I would also venture to say that there will be officers throughout the city who would actually give up one of their days off for training on the M-4 to become certified.

Let's stay tuned guys and gals.

Stay Safe....

4/27/2008 08:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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How about a few Dillion equipped suburbans. Check out the Dillion Aero on you tube

4/27/2008 09:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why can't we start with shotguns,I know it sounds like old tech. but ya can't beat one when you need it.I would bet if they let you buy your own many guys would buy there own and shells also. We have to start somewhere. Wake up J-fed and The Dick,the only reason the shootings and killings were down was because of the weather,not anything you guys did.

LET THE POLICE BE THE POLICE.

4/27/2008 09:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

No thanks, keep your rifle. I don't want to shoulder arms no more.

4/27/2008 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about M4 Sherman tanks instead? There's got to be a surplus of these. One per district would be fine. You could use the Caps office personnel for crew members.

4/27/2008 10:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They could give us rocket launchers for all I care. I am done and wont use a damn thing except my side arm. If the element has an Ak...let them kill the whole damn neighborhood. As long as you go home to your loved ones who cares.

1st and 16th.

4/27/2008 10:31:00 AM  
Anonymous gun nut said...

7:13am
Good point.
We had this discussion before here.
CPD would be better off w/the .30cal M-1 carbines. Better,safer bullet for urban shooting; get em
in soft points if need be.
Love the ARs(M16/M4) system, but not for the average CPD.....

4/27/2008 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of having a heavy weapon in your hand, what's one definition of a real man?

Someone who can masturbate while watching "The View."

---------------------------------
Rookie...masturbate while watching the Lawrence Welk show.

4/27/2008 10:33:00 AM  
Anonymous HATER said...

the department does'nt want to train anyone!

TASER ONLY SGTS

THE ASP DO IT ON YOUR OWN TIME AND MAKE AN APPOINTMENT.

SHOT GUNS MUST BE A SPECIAL KIND OF OFFICER.

NEW GLOCKS DO IT ON YOUR TIME AND BUY HUNDRED OF ROUNDS OF AMMO WITH YOUR UNIFORM ALLOWANCE.

QUALIFY WITH EVERY HANDGUN YOU OWN
BUT COME AT DIFFERENT MONTHS TO A RANGE. WE HAVE TO CLEAN THE VENTS OR WE RAN OUT OF BULLETS. HOW MANY MAN HOURS WERE WAISTED WITH OFFICER DRIVING AROUND LOOKING FOR A RANGE.
$$$

GIVE THE SGT'S THE RIFLES AND MAKE THEM CARRY IT EVERYWHERE LIKE A GOOD SOLDIER SHOULD.

PPO SNOWBALL

4/27/2008 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

M4's are not shotguns!

M4's need REGULAR maintenance! They need to be worked and oiled PROPERLY. Ask any vet.

If you let an M4 die on the vine like they do with the shotguns, they will not work when you need them.

4/27/2008 10:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard we are all getting issued a m1 garrand from the Civilan Marksmanship Program.

4/27/2008 10:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe there would be some money for equipment if it wasn't all going to pay settlements for bull shit law suits. What happens when you put the average citizen on a jury? Do their minds just turn to mush?*********
Well, the average jury is going to find AGAINST the city in a civil trial. Also, the average jury is going to assign PUNITIVE damages in that same trial. And the average jury is going to award a HIGHER amount to the plaintiff in that trial than would be given in (I will qualify this as MOST, not ALL) settlements.
SO, if you want a trial for every lawsuit, the city will be paying 100X more than they are not, and YOU (individual officers) will be paying too. THINK ABOUT IT...

4/27/2008 10:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF THE TOPIC: "Sharpton vows to 'close this city' after officer acquittals".........Where the F$#@ are these guys when their people are killing each other on the streets. Where is Jessie? Goes to show they are police hating, race baiting, pieces of crap. Why don't you have a rally in Chicago to stop the shooting.....oh yah the piece of shit gangbangers are killing eachother, the police didnt shoot them. What camera hungry parasites!!!!

4/27/2008 01:21:00 AM

There's no money in gangbangers killing gangbangers.

4/27/2008 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who will zero the weapon and then qualify with it. Everyones zero is different, so if you miss at 100yards and kill a kid, does the city cover you?

4/27/2008 11:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

look fellas. quit with the "pipe dreams" about getting rifles. i was a gang/tactical officer years ago and had a heavy weapons card to carry the shotgun. i was also qualified and competed with the AR15 in the ISRA. NOT ONCE were we allowed by the watch commanders to take them out on patrol. not even during the post Bulls championship riots or even during executing search warrants on dope houses with known guard dogs! i now use my expired heavy weapons card to pick my teeth after eating lunch! so quit wasting your time typing your dreams of carrying heavy weapons. even if you get certified, no pussy boss will EVER let you check them out. just answer your calls, back each other up and go home after eight. that's the best way to stay safe on this shit, thankless job now.

4/27/2008 11:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SWAT team killed hostage taker on 96/Ewing God job guys!!!

4/27/2008 11:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Some one tell me how the fuck you operate a Swat. And if you call yourself a "Swat operator please tell everyone your name so you can get punched. You are a P.O. with a phone call nothing more.

4/27/2008 11:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We don't need M4's or M16, all we need is 5 artificial rain trucks(one per area) like the ones Hollywood use to make rain, and that's it, crime will go down.

4/27/2008 11:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A lesbian couldn't even masturbate while watching the view.

4/27/2008 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like the stupid idea to give Detectives shotguns and M4s after one was killed. Give it out to where it will do the least amount of good. Knee jerk reactions, guess the Ex-Feds are no better.

What Detective got killed? Who has M4's in what Area? We got a couple shotguns like the Dist's have. Another one heard from talking about shit they know nothing about.
I cringe to think even 10% of the goofs posting here as actually coppers.

The Det's that were trained on the shotguns don't even take them out, even though they cried like bitches to be the ones trained. Best one was a couple years back watching 2 of them armed with shotguns banging on a door with the gun and when the guy answers, both point guns at him and tell him to keep his hands up. It was a standoff on no one opening the door, both just looking at each other wondering who was going to open it. None of us were getting in between these guys and the potential murder offender..These 2 got pissed when they heard snickering behind them and someone said "Now what?"

4/27/2008 11:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Daley said 1,300 p.o.'s will get assault rifles and the first ones to get them will be the mayor's detail, burkes bodygaurds, dorothy brown bodygaurds, J-feds entourage, that's about 1,000 p.o.'s already. The remainding 300 will go to o'hare, midway, mounted, k-9 units, and caps personnel.

4/27/2008 11:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You little whining bitches! You first to complain are all a bunch of fucking primadonnas. Even when you hear good news you have reasons to complain and make excuses for not working. The fact is that most of you have no fucking idea how to be the real police. You'r not laying down. You're doing the only thing you came on this job for - nothing. Go work for the water department. No, we need clean water. Go cut boxes at Jewel (if you could get the job) and see if you can make the money you are making.

4/27/2008 11:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

4/27/2008 06:16:00 AM

agree 100%! We have junk cars, no contract shit work schedule and now they will give us more weapons! Another bullshit grand standing pipe dream! dream on criminal mayor!

4/27/2008 11:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
average tact/gang guy works 5.5 hrs per day. then gun days reanining days bye days,..etc. that makes average tact gang district face time three hours per day........

4/27/2008 02:05:00 AM

Are you fucking kidding me? What district are working in, I'll leave my tact spot where I'm at to work those hours. Or are you a asshat that likes to talk shit about tact guys, because you can't carry the numbers. Oh, that right you just answer your jobs and do the paper and expect a check twicw a month. You do nothing prick.

4/27/2008 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY, IF CPS TEACHERS CAN LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY WHY CANT WE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4/27/2008 07:54:00 AM

because they have to deal with the problem kids all day, and need a break from the crazy shit going on. so they can teach our kids properly.

and the police dont need that break.

4/27/2008 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off Topic...SCC thought you might find this article interesting regarding the sean bell incident in new york...

www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/opinion/27murphy.html

4/27/2008 12:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, Off Subject. Listening to chase on scanner involving CPD cars, "Helicopter 1" and Burbank PD. Question - Are these helicopter guys for real?? Who are they? Do they have any clue what they're doing????

4/27/2008 12:28:00 PM  
Anonymous Pavlov said...

Holy shit! Can I get an M-4, can I carry a shotgun? Fuckin GREAT! How about we worry about something more important, like letting us be the "Police" ! Im willing to bet the Vietnam era surplus guns we are going to get will do the exact same thing our shotguns have done for the last 15 or 20 years; collect dust in the radio room / watch commanders office! We are too easily distracted by bullshit! Some bullshit speech about heavy weapons, 10 hr days, fitness standards, give me a break! Some of us are worse than my dog, "look at the ball, pup, see the ball? FETCH" and without fail, there she goes. If I tossed the ball into traffic, she'd go after it. Sad, but just like some of us! We were told we were going to get fire extigungishers in the squad cars about 2 years ago. I cant find one in the station, more or less a squadcar!
I might be the one thats a little fucked up, but...Let's focus on slightly more important issues, like getting a decent raise in our next contract, better medical, not losing tuition reimbursment, change some of the diciplinary mesaures, getting rid of the 30% merit... But here we are again, lost in some bullshit smoke and mirrors campagin, brought to you by our City. Let's focus on the important stuff, and not be so easily distracted by the ball our mayor is about to toss out in traffic for us to fetch!

4/27/2008 12:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JFed Who?
JFed What?
JFed Why?
JFed Where?

I like to believe he is just a twitching figment of my imagination, and when I wake up this nightmare has ended.

He's a puppet to the puppet master. Keep on pulling his strings, mywhore daley.

4/27/2008 12:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The training begins this coming week, tac, gang, gun teams will be going. Most likely it will be conducted at Area 4 range. The best part though, you have to pass a power test in order to receive the training. Hmmm, power test. Last heard there was no word on what would occur if an officer would fail the power test.....but there it is J-fed getting his way, where is the union on this one...

4/27/2008 01:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

TO SOME OF YOU GUYS WHO KEEP POSTING" WHY CANT WE LIVE OUT OF THE CITY" HEY DUMB DUMB'S YOU SIGNED UP FOR THIS JOB AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE FACTORS, SO SHUT UP, IF YOU DONT WANT TO LIVE IN THE CITY TAKE YOUR CHANCES AND HAVE YOUR MAIL COME TO SOMEONES HOUSE!

4/27/2008 01:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In Vietnam I did as little as possible. I was in the rear with the gear. Today's Army hires contractors to do what I used to do.........

So when shift starts I do as little as possible. I usually just get my coffee and watch the sun come up over the lake. .....


SO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WERE A COWARD IN VIET NAM AN YOU'RE A COWARD NOW?

4/27/2008 01:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd offer up the shooting club I belong to, to host training for the CPD's new rifle training.

Unfortunately, da Mayor seems to want to continue to outlaw my sport, so I don't think my or any of my club members are inclined to help him out.

4/27/2008 01:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The best part of this is we had an offer of a FREE indoor/outdoor range and training facility. Downtown killed the idea because it came from a patrolman ( everyone knows PO can not think for themselves ) so thank up and comming star MT that we got nothing, again..
But all his buddies and relatives still got good jobs

4/27/2008 01:50:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

...Yes, there are coppers on this job who cry or run in a fight. But they are very, very rare...

4/27/2008 06:16:00 AM

They're not as rare as you think.

4/27/2008 01:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been on the better part of 17years. I have been shotgun trained the better part of 12 years. Do you know how many times I have been authorized to take out a shotgun on the street? Zero, none, nada, zip, zilch, never! This is more smoke and mirrors. While I am usually not in agreement with SCC on most topics (I too believe SCC to be ultrapessimists) on this topic I definitely agree. You will never see an M4, M16, MP5, Mini-14, or any other patrol rifle in a CPD car. Guaranteed!!

4/27/2008 01:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY, IF CPS TEACHERS CAN LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY WHY CANT WE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Because you agreed to live in the city when you came on. They did not, except recently, I believe. Thats why. So STFU or quit.

4/27/2008 02:11:00 PM  
Anonymous 29 years and a day said...

Ive been retired for over 2 years but I have a question for SCC

Are they still paying you guys on the 1st and the 16th??

When I was in Top Gun school at 1300 W Jackson more than 3 decades ago, we had an instructor who told us that very shortly we'd learn tha the only two things that mattered were the 1st and the 16th.


he was correct in 1977 and is correct today in 2008

Be careful out there

4/27/2008 02:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sing to the tune of Give Peace a Chance by John Lennon


All we are saying is give J-Fed a chance.
All we are saying is give J-Fed a chance.

4/27/2008 02:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The procurement process should be easy, as Illinois has several fine manufacturers of M4 clone weapons...oh, wait. Daley and Blago drove damn near all of them to Iowa and Missouri with their anti-gun and anti-business antics.

4/27/2008 02:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

smoke and mirrors, my friends, smoke and mirrors.....

I love listening to the gun nuts in the districts talk shop about the pros and cons of m-4s vs m-16s. What a bunch of fucking losers. Get real, Dirty-Harry-wanna-be, a rifle totin' po-po you shall never be.

The reality is that we will never get M-4s, M-16s, AR-10s, AK-47s, or Red Rider Bee-bee guns!!!

Besides, even if we did, it would be some bullshit program like the beloved TASER. What a wonderful tool that is. Ask anyone from 017 how many Sgt.'s carry their TASERs every night. I love hearing someone from 017 call for a TASER. Goes something like this:

1731: Yeah, squad, we got a mental here that wants to fight. Can we get a TASER over here?

Dispatcher: Any supervisors in 017 that want to respond to 1731s job?..........Anyone?.........

(Silence)

Dispatcher: 1730, do you have a TASER?

1730: No, squad.

Dispatcher: 1720?

1720: Nope

Dispatcher: How bout 1710?

1710: Nope.

1669: Squad, I'm not too far, I'll respond.

Dispatcher: Thanks 1669.


........fucking embarrassing.


You think getting an M-4 to the scene of a shootout will be any different?

Fuck the M-4s!!!!! I'll take a new PDT over an M-4 any day. Hell, I'll settle for a radio battery that lasts more than six hours.


By the by, Capt. Lenti is in AZ for a short vacay, It'll be a pleasant next couple of weeks. Here's hoping he shags a Titleist into the Grand Canyon and goes in after it, never to return. ahhhhhhhh....... if only..........

4/27/2008 02:34:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lets say we get the assault rifles, what will be the grounds on which we can use them? If the walking dead gets that mad after shooting a cougar 20+ times, what will happen when we shoot an "honor student" with a gun that many times? Mark my words the rifles "ain't gonna happen"!

4/27/2008 02:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Friday, April 25, 2008


This week’s outrage comes courtesy of Philadelphia Police Commissioner, and former Washington, D.C. police chief, Charles Ramsey.

As we recently reported, the Philadelphia City Council passed five gun control measures, which were subsequently signed by Mayor Michael Nutter in direct violation of Pennsylvania’s state preemption law.

A Philadelphia County court granted NRA’s motion for a temporary restraining order against the new gun control regulations and ruled that Philadelphia is barred from enforcing the ordinances and moving forward on promulgating regulations. But the City opposed the injunction, saying they believed that the ordinances are both necessary and legal.

And while District Attorney Lynne Abraham previously advised Philadelphia’s city council and mayor that their gun control proposals were unconstitutional, the city pressed on, defying the state’s firearm preemption law in its attempt to circumvent the Pennsylvania legislature.

Enter Commissioner Ramsey, whose anti-gun leanings and arrogant, above-the-law mentalities have followed him to the City of Brotherly Love.

Not content with his city passing illegal gun control “laws,” Ramsey is actually encouraging the City Council and Mayor Nutter to ignore the legal advice of city attorneys against enforcing the ordinances. Not only is he in favor of enforcing the illegal measures, he was recently quoted as saying, “As far as I am concerned, the laws are valid, and we will act as if this whole conversation with the D.A. just didn't take place.”

When the City’s Police Commissioner--the top law enforcement official--encourages the mayor and council members to ignore legal advice, that’s not just blatantly arrogant and anti-gun, that’s outrageous.

4/27/2008 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I came on when they just removed the shotgun.If u think the chicago police dept is ever going to givr u bigger guns u are a retard..Can u guess the CRs you are going to get.The guns scare me,the pointed the gun at me, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN,,Just like new radios,New SUVs New sidearms ,New hours,,,ITS ALL TALK

4/27/2008 02:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think J FED should put on a vest and a duty belt and start riding with the tac teams or 99 cars. Maybe then he would at least appear to want to be the police. Leading by example always works for me.

4/27/2008 02:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.T. Who is the jag balls in 016 on midnights that is writing tickets around Harlam and Higgens to cars with FOP stickers but doesn't have the balls to write his/her star number on the the ticket? Why in todays day and age would you generate revenue for this city???????

4/26/2008 03:41:00 AM

____________________________________

Awwwww, poor off-duty PO got a ticket while getting his drink on at Teaser's? WHAAAAHHHH, WHAAAAAAH....

Talk about punkin YOURSELF out by admitting that you frequent that shit-hole. Call it a fine for having shitty taste in bars. Besides, if you need to be out drinking at four in the morning and you're not 21, you've got bigger problems than a parking ticket. Fucking loser.

4/27/2008 03:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

everyday now i wonder more and more why i (we) stay on this fucking job..for me..i see the light..27 months to go, but whos counting. we are NOT going to get any Tahoes or M4 rifles or dept issued Glocks or any of that other shit that goof J-Fed is rattling off. Lil Richie forgot to tell him that when he blew his load to hire J-Fed @ 315K a year, there is NO money in the budget to get the shit coppers need and to train them with it. I saw a incident a few weeks back that made me shit in my pants shaking my head at this Dept. I was in Burbank on 79th street eating in a taco joint when i saw 3 or 4 Burbank cars pulling over a van load on their way to a bible revival. The coppers got out of the cars and all or most had long guns! then after getting everone out of the van a coppers pull out a BALLISTIC shield out of the trunk of a squad and 3 coppers get into a stack to clear the van. HOOOLLY SHIT..and this is BURBANK ILLINOIS! i spoke to a Sergeant that came into the resturant after the job and he told me that the original job was a traffic altercation w/a UUW ( so i dont wanna see the reverands responding that the POOOOlice's was profiling) and he stated that they have usually 6 to 8 cars out a watch and half if not more carry that type of equipment and thet half of his current watch is SWAT trained.!This is in Burbank ILLINOIS! we are waisting out time, so do yout time, do nothing to jackpot yourself and watch out for your partners. I give J-Fed a year before he quits, Im sure he didnt realize how fucked up this organization reaaallly is.

4/27/2008 03:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Here you go officer, your new shiney M4 rifle. Now be sure you....wait....is that an open cuff case? Sorry, that makes you look too aggressive. I'm going to have to write you up for that."

4/27/2008 03:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic.
Why is Rev. Wright building his house in Tinley Park where the population is 93% white?
If he hates the white man so much, why not build in Chatam, Roseland or how about South Chicago?
Wait a minute....how about Ford Heights? Just askin'.

4/27/2008 03:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is the point, if your not g-man trained in investigation, handguns, rifles, crime lab, crime scenes etc. you are considered a grammer school puke by Supt. G.Man and his college boy assholes. I think he is startled and amazed that when a crime, murder, robbery, burglary occurres that he cannot conceive that the investigation starts NOW. We cannot wait for a grand jury to covene on the first of the month and let it drag on for 18 months.

Maybe it's time to treat these bosses, either CPD or G-Men the way they treat us. For once I would like every copper on the scene of a murder to act bewildered like the bosses are. Ask the Sgt. Lt.s Capt.s etc on how you should make every move. Dets. should defer to their Sgt.s or Lt.s (most in the Det. Div. have the brains to shut up and stay away) but some have real stupid ideas and methods. Try being a robot for a while and let the "masta boss man" tell you "xactly" how it should be done. Document their orders on paper. This should be good for laughs.

4/27/2008 03:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A stupid Sgt. up to supt. shooting his mouth off or taking any action could be a lot more dangerous than every beat guy having machine guns.

4/27/2008 04:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

average tact/gang guy works 5.5 hrs per day. then gun days reanining days bye days,..etc. that makes average tact gang district face time three hours per day........

I dont know where you work buddy, but tact is 8 for 8, and has been for a while now. So whats your excuse for not getting on tact. Probably a dog ass who has nothing better to do that put shit on this blog that only jams up other coppers. Shut up and stop being a little bitch!!!

4/27/2008 04:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To "HEY, IF CPS TEACHERS CAN LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY WHY CANT WE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Then call the FOP and tell them to put that on the table. If you don't get it in the proposal than vote no on the contract.

Second, who cares about the gang violence. Let them kill each other, that is the idea right?

Parker, Mover, Bus Check do a paper job here and there and you will have an illustrious career.

4/27/2008 04:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the Officer in the 3rd Dist. do not give any info. about a homicide to an alderman. If you were told to do so by your DC, refuse! Remember about a month ago when you picked up your check you were made to sign a sheet that stated you would not disseminate any Dept. info, written, oral or electronic to the public. Aldermen are civilians and not your boss. They may be the boss of your idiot commander whom probably didn't have to sign the form or saw it. This can be use to jam you and J-Fraud will.

4/27/2008 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We just got rifles in Aurora. You can either use a department one which is a converted Vietnam era M-16 or can purchace your own M4. Most of our officers have purchased their own.

4/27/2008 04:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trib article, coppers to get assaut rifles. Bullshit. Just wait for 2 weekends in a row with the normal killing rate returning. The exempts and the mayor will backpedal on this issue.

Need a question answered, the reporter interviewed Jill Holmes, 62 who sounds like she is still raising children (probably her great grand children) said "If we are informed then we know what's on". What the fuck does this mean, I didn't learn this slang, lingo or just plain shit, replacement for English when I went to my west-side Catholic High School.
The newspapers used to translate this crap for us readers, I guess they gave up and just print whatever the idiot says, like we just have to accept it. Well here is a little lingo for you peoples at the Trib and Times, go fuck yourselfs you morons. That I learned on the west-side and it has served me well during my career.

4/27/2008 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want 12 hour shifts too. it's the funckin union fighting it. Of course they work straight days/weekends off so why would they care?

4/27/2008 04:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic and never submit "stuff" on this site. Was at the MARCH OF DIMES WALKATHON today. I was walking behind Supt. Weis and his bride-both very congenial people- for about a third of the walk which was 6.2 miles. The Supt. made it a point to acknowledge all officers along the route. I moved ahead of the crowd we were walking with and saw the boss shortly after the end of the walk. I don't kiss ass and never have but I thought it was great that this man and his wife came out and walked with everyone. I think they wanted to start running which then I wouldn't have finished before them. Anyways, I think the man is going to do a great job with the CPD-give him a minute. I don't know him from any past and don't intend on kissisg any butt. I'm sure he knows more about law enforcement than 90% of us "P.O.s". Coppers who are knocking him should really give the man his due credit. By the way, do you people think the EX-SUPT. Phil would have walked this walk? YEAH RIGHT!

4/27/2008 04:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The range will be at the new academy we're getting...Wow, I even kept a straight face when I typed that...

4/27/2008 04:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

we need more a.k.. seven years overseas in all the hot spots. he has the answer.

4/27/2008 04:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

J-Fraud and his gaggle of hacks got put in their place by fire commissioner Orozco at the 22nd street "L" station wreck. J-Fraud got told in no uncertain terms that The CFD was in charge and to "Get out of the way"...PRICELESS

His hacks almost wept.

4/27/2008 05:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In response to the following:

I think that you have to give J-Fed about a year from now before you rip him a new asshole. Maybe some of his statements will come true. You never know.

Yes, he's in over his head at this point, but maybe in 6 months he'll get his act together.

He came through in a few promises already. Let's wait and see.....

Yeah - like his influence on the feds to go for an indictment againt Bill Cozzi
This guy is an egotist and fraud - not a police officer and never will be one of us.

4/27/2008 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Get on the Ball, John said...

Anonymous said...
is LT. Carroll still on his "Fraud & Deception" medical leave? any updates on Sgt. Tim & Sgt. Roy? is midway airport operations doing well w/o the slapnuts?

4/25/2008 11:47:00 PM

word is boffo and kennedy were seen wining and dining the district timekeeper.
It appears overtime shananigans may resume.

4/27/2008 05:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Chicago cops to get M4's.The plan was met with support from Roosevelt Watkins, senior pastor at Bethlehem Star Missionary Baptist Church and president of Pastors United for Change.

"If that's what it's going to take, then give them what they need so they can do their job adequately,'' Watkins said

We don't need rifles to get the job done. All we need, is to be supported by the mayor,media, reverands and the community. Everyone must realize and remember the U.S. Constitution protects the criminal more than it protects the law abidding citizen. The community has failed to raise their the children the right way, they have no morale compass. So you did not want to be their parents and you don't want law enforcment to be their parents who is gonna keep the criminals from making you their next victim. The community must choose, raise your child properly with a morale compass or allow law enforcment to step in and fix the problem you have created. You can't have it both ways.... we are not gonna give your children a time out and tell them they are a winner even know they have lost and everyone plays crap.... So what do you pick? are you on the side of the criminals or on the side of law enforcment? If you choose on the side of criminals, then next you need the police don't call 911, call doctor phil instead..... because we know the right way to keep crime in check not some book smart doctor with no common sense!!!!

4/27/2008 05:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Rookie...masturbate while watching the Lawrence Welk show.

4/27/2008 10:33:00 AM"


What is it that's turns you on, the bubbles? the sveedish acksent? or da Polka?

4/27/2008 05:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

u guys are all insane

4/27/2008 06:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In Vietnam I did as little as possible. I was in the rear with the gear. Today's Army hires contractors to do what I used to do.........

So when shift starts I do as little as possible. I usually just get my coffee and watch the sun come up over the lake. .....


SO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WERE A COWARD IN VIET NAM AN YOU'RE A COWARD NOW?

4/27/2008 01:21:00 PM

Little PPO, I pity you. I can tell you were never in the military, because then you would know that you go where you are assigned. I'm in the Army Reserves; I wasn't drafted like this poor bastard and I spent a year building bases in Afghanistan. Does that make me a coward, too? I honor this guy's service. Guys who were in the rear with the gear made sure things worked and operated the supply pipeline. My father was drafted too, stepped on a mine and came home minus a leg. Sometimes he cries when he talks about the other two guys in his unit that died next to him. Is he a coward too? You are obviously a slackjaw hard charger with book smarts and a loud mouth, but, sadly, you are as dumb as they come. God help whoever has to work with you.

4/27/2008 06:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The fact is that most of you have no fucking idea how to be the real police. You'r not laying down. You're doing the only thing you came on this job for - nothing. Go work for the water department. No, we need clean water. Go cut boxes at Jewel (if you could get the job) and see if you can make the money you are making."

SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE PUNK WHITESHIRT COMPANY SUCKHOLE, IT'S INCOMPETENT COWARDS LIKE YOURSELF THAT GOT US WHERE WE ARE TODAY!!

4/27/2008 06:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i would rather have heated floor mats so when i drive my entire tour in my cruiser without my shoes on i can feel nice and cozy. no CONTRACT no WORKEE!

4/27/2008 06:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Why hasn't there been another training scheduled yet for approved striker-fired handguns? Is something in the works? Let's get that done first.

4/27/2008 08:36:00 AM

...............

Limited range personnel. Some have been detailed to that 90 day "Not the School unit" School unit detail. Regular weapons qualifications just finished Friday and a new class starts the academy on Monday.

4/27/2008 06:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
HEY, IF CPS TEACHERS CAN LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY WHY CANT WE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Because you agreed to live in the city when you came on. They did not, except recently, I believe. Thats why. So STFU or quit.

4/27/2008 02:11:00 PM

...................

Officers like you amaze me. Yes I did agree to live in the city when I came on. I also agreed to free health care for myself and my family. Free health care when I retired. Promotions that did not involve 30 percent merit. No B.S. CAPS. If the city does not stand up to their end why should I? Perhaps you should STFU.

4/27/2008 06:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what a surprise i had last night. there was an event involving middle eastern politicians last night at the four seasons hotel. i witnessed the arrival of one of these people and he was accompanied by what i originally thought was secret service or maybe even the massad. to my surprise i was informed they were part of the c.p.d. dignitary protection squad. these knew their shit looked good and acted as a cohesive unit. who are these guys and how long have they been around?

4/27/2008 06:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By the by, Capt. Lenti is in AZ for a short vacay, It'll be a pleasant next couple of weeks. Here's hoping he shags a Titleist into the Grand Canyon and goes in after it, never to return. ahhhhhhhh....... if only..........

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Is he capable of relaxing? I think that the man starches his boxers or briefs and they must irritate the crap out his butt to make him such an anal retentive jaggoff! Just remember, that it's a "ROUND" world !

4/27/2008 06:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How are we going to get long guns when we don't even have .38 cal ammo for qualifications?

4/27/2008 06:57:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I got dragged to the DOC meeting fri as an observer. Brust was running it. I've got over 25yrs on and I've never been more ashamed of this department. The FBI guy was clueless. He wore the uniform, which is an utter disgrace. He was halting and unsure of himself. The exempts blew the usual smoke up everybody's ass, but at least Molloy and Cline knew how to separate the bull from the reality. This guy just kept moving along, because he had no idea what to say. Repeat after me, neither he nor j-fraud have ever been the police. They don't have a clue. but the saddest part of the meeting was watching the exempts (granted, mostly political hacks and friends of friends, but at least some of them actually did police work at one time or another) and here they were, totally kissing this fbi guys ass. An fbi guy holds local law enforcement in utter contempt. To them, we are all thieves and morons. And all of these exempts are calling him boss and falling all over themselves to kiss his ass. Disgraceful. Jody is a joke, already completely emasculated by Daley. And I'd just laugh, but every time I see either of them in our uniform, I want to cry.

4/27/2008 07:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
HEY, IF CPS TEACHERS CAN LIVE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY WHY CANT WE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4/27/2008 07:54:00 AM

Teachers must live in city. Teachers do not work for the city but the board. Big difference. Get your facts straight you goof. Some teachers with certain skills have exemptions. Learn the policy first. Now go play with your self.

4/27/2008 07:04:00 PM  
Blogger Eric said...

Can someone comment on "Hamsterdam?

4/27/2008 07:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it my imagination,Daley looks like he is in need of a bath and hair cut.

4/27/2008 07:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If one more of you jag-offs refer to us as "boys and girls" im going to climb the tower

4/27/2008 07:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it is unbelievable that the ISP Troopers ALL have M4 type rifles and shotguns in their squad. Maybe Daley should work a deal with Blago to team up with us in the ghetto. (Don;t go blasting the Troopers, the ones I've dealt with have been stand up guys willing to assist. Maybe we could train at their ranges????

4/27/2008 08:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

-He came through in a few promises already. Let's wait and see.-
what which one? tell me please. oh wait, that's right the promise to the public to screw us over as fast and unfair as possible

4/27/2008 08:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

MORE BS FROM WANNABE SOLDIERS!! GET A LIFE! WHO ARE U GOING TO SHOOT????MOST COPS CANT EVEN FORM A GOOD SENTENCE LET ALONE CARRY OR SHOOT AN M-4. The Foreign Legion is hiring TOUGH GUY

4/27/2008 08:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was trained with the M-16 in the Corps and should get an m4 right away or perhaps an m203. No training needed Signed Pvt Pile

4/27/2008 08:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Luv to see the mayors face when he is told that someone has been shot by a cop with an assualt rifle. Think about this it will never happen period.

4/27/2008 08:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who will zero the weapon and then qualify with it. Everyones zero is different, so if you miss at 100yards and kill a kid, does the city cover you?

4/27/2008 11:03:00 AM

100 yards ?? what fuckin district you in?? they got elk up there ? the last time a semi-legitimate police round was fired that far was in the 60's..or maybe cabrini in 74.

4/27/2008 08:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's say for argument, that maybe an officer had his or her OWN AR-15. Would they let us carry said AR-15 if it was something that fell into the order of what they were expecting? Think of all of the money they would save. We get to carry our own sidearm. This is of course, if we really did have AR-15's, you know like at our house in Wisconsin or Michigan, never in Chicago.

4/27/2008 08:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
one more would be how j-fed has a big time hard on for coppers. boys and girls, this guy is out to jackpot as many people as he can. a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing and as treacherous as they come. hit that car, get coffee and paper, and throw out the anchor. you are not getting paid by the mile on this job. if you get out of the car and do anything you are risking your job. if you think "it can never happen to me" you are dead wrong. it will be something you never saw coming.

4/27/2008 12:42:00 AM Ahhhhh,you're nuts.J Fed is our friend.He's making a million bucks over three years to be our buddy.

4/27/2008 08:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We have M-4s, M-16s, and shotguns with pistol grips in Area 5. Been using them for quite a while and that's no b.s. Have to agree that these weapons would be better suited for the first responders (beat cars, tact cars) instead of us detectives who are usually notified after the shit has already hit the fan and last to show up on scene.

4/27/2008 09:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heres a stupid question...

Foot guys and Bike guys?? How will they carry a rifle?

4/27/2008 09:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would be happy with just a new police contract.

4/27/2008 09:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"i was a gang/tactical officer years ago and had a heavy weapons card to carry the shotgun."

A heavy weapons card? To carry a shotgun? WTF! I'm retired State Police, and it amazes me that your department treats you coppers like a bunch of irresponsible kids. ISP issues shotguns to every brand new Trooper upon graduation from the academy. And within the last 5 years, you could get an M4 assigned to you as long as you went through the mandatory training, which is done on company time and expense. Sounds like your main problem, other than Richie Rich, is your own command people. The people running CPD need to respect and trust the street cops and let them do their jobs. Every command officer and administrative job position is supposed to be there for the sole purpose of helping the officers on the street. If they aren't doing that job, then they need to replace them and get people in those positions who will. I feel really bad for you guys. Hang tough and stay safe.

4/27/2008 09:26:00 PM  
Blogger ShavedLongcock said...

For a city that is allegedly broke this Mayor sure comes up with so many new ideas, each costing 100's of millions of dollars. And that's before cost over runs which is usually a few 100 million of dollars more.

When this prick says he is broke at the police contract talks, somebody should bring up all his BILLION OF DOLLARS plans he has going.

Chicago Riverwalk to extend

Construction is scheduled to begin this summer to literally bridge Chicago's downtown riverwalk trail beyond the Wabash Avenue Bridge to State Street.

4/27/2008 09:28:00 PM  
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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Like the stupid idea to give Detectives shotguns and M4s after one was killed. Give it out to where it will do the least amount of good. Knee jerk reactions, guess the Ex-Feds are no better.
4/27/2008 08:35:00 AM

The order for the D-Units to have M4s and semi-auto shotguns was out a couple of years back and canceled faster that a Frog can piss.
Haven't actually seen J-Fed yet, tend to believe he may really be a mere Hologram...

4/27/2008 09:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just remember one thing this goof JFED is not our friend, how quickly we forget that he stripped and indicted a few of us only weeks ago.

Sure we may get better wepaons but you better never use it, you'll be sued, stripped , suspended and probably incarcerated.

No thanks i'm done. All I say is pay me!!!!!!!

4/27/2008 09:44:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dont care anymore. Let the city go up, I have my pistols, a couple of shotguns and my own M4 as well as AR 15's with plenty of rounds. When the city goes up, let ray ray come get some! My yard will be a killing field!

4/27/2008 09:48:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

. Four months after graduating high school and one month after starting college I got drafted
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If you flunked out or were thrown out of college you got drafted. If you were in college, you had a 1-S deferrment and were not drafted. No one in good standing was drafted. Unless you somehow fucked up your draft status. You wrote this at 616 AM. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say you had a hard Friday night

4/27/2008 09:55:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A heavy weapons card? To carry a shotgun? WTF! I'm retired State Police, and it amazes me that your department treats you coppers like a bunch of irresponsible kids. ISP issues shotguns to every brand new Trooper upon graduation from the academy. And within the last 5 years, you could get an M4 assigned to you as long as you went through the mandatory training, which is done on company time and expense. Sounds like your main problem, other than Richie Rich, is your own command people. The people running CPD need to respect and trust the street cops and let them do their jobs. Every command officer and administrative job position is supposed to be there for the sole purpose of helping the officers on the street. If they aren't doing that job, then they need to replace them and get people in those positions who will. I feel really bad for you guys. Hang tough and stay safe.

4/27/2008 09:26:00 PM

Great post. Unfortunately most of the people in any position higher than patrol is there to micromanage us and tell us what we are doing wrong instead of helping us. If compared to anything it is compared to the current crop of people in our countries administration - instead of going forward, we are going back.

4/27/2008 10:06:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! An operator! Someone has been pleasuring themselves while watching Black Hawk Down again. A job full of retards. Most of you SWAT fucks shouldn't even have water pistols.

4/27/2008 07:51:00 AM

Another stroke that can't make it, and complains that life isn't fair.

If you are not on SWAT why would you care what they call themselves?
I bet if you were on SWAT, you would call yourself an operator too.

Now go home to mommy and complain to her.

4/27/2008 10:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mayor Richard Daley said Saturday he is backing a plan by Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis to equip all officers with semiautomatic assault rifles.

Daley, citing a killing from the prior weekend involving an AK-47, said the weapons would put officers on equal footing with gangs.

The lightbulb just went on!
All we need is a little something something more and we will be ready for the Olympics. We may still have time to keep the national guard out. Once we take care of the internal threats we can move on to outside threats.
Am I right J-FED? LETS HEAR IT FOR J_FED! HIP HIP HURRAY! HIP HIP HURRAY!

4/27/2008 10:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IT'S J-FRAUD, NOT J-FED

4/27/2008 10:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic...

Great article in today's Tribune by Brenda Kilianski - Perspective...can't believe it a reporter who actually writes a negative article about murdering radicals Ayers/Dorhn...weird to actually read someone that "gets it" in a Chicago paper

4/27/2008 10:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 4/27/2008 02:25:00 PM

change "J-Fed" to "Weis" and it works better----I'm just sayin'

4/27/2008 10:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Repeat after me, neither he nor j-fraud have ever been the police.

So what? A guy can be an illiterate and not know what the word toilet means or how to prounce the word itself. It does not mean he does not know how to use a toilet.

Chill out and give Mr. Weis a fair shake. He is a lot more intelligent, objective, rational, and courageous than the last 20 Superintendants who ran the Chicago Police Department.

4/27/2008 11:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
In Vietnam I did as little as possible. I was in the rear with the gear. Today's Army hires contractors to do what I used to do.........

So when shift starts I do as little as possible. I usually just get my coffee and watch the sun come up over the lake. .....


SO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WERE A COWARD IN VIET NAM AN YOU'RE A COWARD NOW?

4/27/2008 01:21:00 PM

No, dickwad, he's enjoying his life and he is saying he never wanted to lose his life for something frivilous.

You are a complete asshole.

4/27/2008 11:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ever see the movie "Breaker Morant?" Great military flick about how bosses abdicate their responsibilies in shooting incidents. We might get rifles, but they will never give us ammo.

4/27/2008 11:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...foot guys and bike guys. How will they carry a rifle?"

Carefully.

4/27/2008 11:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember a twelve gauge shotgun, eighteen inch double barrels, with a pistol grip. It was about twenty six inches all together.

It may not be much, but it is better than what we have--and definitely idiot-proof.

4/27/2008 11:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Chill out and give Mr. Weis a fair shake. He is a lot more intelligent, objective, rational, and courageous than the last 20 Superintendants who ran the Chicago Police Department.

4/27/2008 11:18:00 PM"


Thank you, Mrs. Weis, for your informed opinion.


Might you also know where Jody buys his hats, for that oversized, mutant head?

4/28/2008 12:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Off topic.
Why is Rev. Wright building his house in Tinley Park where the population is 93% white?
If he hates the white man so much, why not build in Chatam, Roseland or how about South Chicago?
Wait a minute....how about Ford Heights? Just askin'.

4/27/2008 03:55:00 PM

A REVERAND THATS BUILDING A HOUSE HUH??? GEE WIZ. THE REVERANDS AT MY CHURCH CANT AFFORD TO "BUILD A HOUSE".

4/28/2008 12:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SWAT Team like eight kills. Fuck off with the comment about the water pistols. Your useless!!!

4/28/2008 12:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bitch boy on the SWAT smashing, What's a matter you couldn't pass the shooting test or maybe your fat ass couldn't make the run. Fuck off Hater the days of Fred Bossey are gone. We don't make phone calls to get on SWAT. We passed Bitch. The SWAT operators here are locked on. Why don't you tell us your name and we will arrange the shooting test for you and the run. I am willing to a month's salary that you would fail both. So blow me coward boy!!

4/28/2008 12:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Give J-Fed a chance before you criticize him. He is new to this job. Right now he is going through some growing pains. Soon he will be a capable leader.

4/28/2008 01:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you fucking kidding me? What district are working in, I'll leave my tact spot where I'm at to work those hours. Or are you a asshat that likes to talk shit about tact guys, because you can't carry the numbers. Oh, that right you just answer your jobs and do the paper and expect a check twicw a month. You do nothing prick.

4/27/2008 11:58:00 AM

......................................................Tact/Gang boy sorry for exposing your secret. Your anger shows us all the truth. Sometimes you get stuck working late. Someone must answer up if your being looked for. "It's my turn to stay late, Damn".
If your not working on average a few hours a day you should transfer to a district where you will only work a few hours a day. Also learn how to play your Sergeant.

4/28/2008 01:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How will bike guys carry guns???? Didn't you ever watch a cowboy movie? The same way guys on horses did. Loaded.

4/28/2008 01:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Viet Nam Guy for Supt.

4/28/2008 01:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

They could give us rocket launchers for all I care. I am done and wont use a damn thing except my side arm. If the element has an Ak...let them kill the whole damn neighborhood. As long as you go home to your loved ones who cares.

1st and 16th.

4/27/2008 10:31:00 AM
Spoken like a true "chicken shit."

4/28/2008 02:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like I could give a shit about firepower.

THe police have done more with less in the past.

4/28/2008 02:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic.
Why is Rev. Wright building his house in Tinley Park where the population is 93% white?
If he hates the white man so much, why not build in Chatam, Roseland or how about South Chicago?
Wait a minute....how about Ford Heights? Just askin'.

4/27/2008 03:55:00 PM

shuddup!

4/28/2008 02:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you go to rifle training you have to take a power test. So we were told. If you fail you are out of the program.....I didn't need one anyways.

4/28/2008 05:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

CPD has a some Special Forces,
Army Rangers on the job who never say anything about their military service. Turn them loose and the gangbanger problem could be solved in a very short time.

Hooah, Former U.S. Army Ranger

4/28/2008 05:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Why hasn't there been another training scheduled yet for approved striker-fired handguns? Is something in the works? Let's get that done first.

4/27/2008 08:36:00 AM

...............

Limited range personnel. Some have been detailed to that 90 day "Not the School unit" School unit detail. Regular weapons qualifications just finished Friday and a new class starts the academy on Monday.

4/27/2008 06:26:00 PM

Training is not a priority for J-FED. School detail has priority not training. Forget any type of training for new weapons. Too busy with recruits and re-qualified officers on street.

4/28/2008 06:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous said...
Ever see the movie "Breaker Morant?" Great military flick about how bosses abdicate their responsibilies in shooting incidents. We might get rifles, but they will never give us ammo.

4/27/2008 11:38:00 PM
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If the CPD were like the British Military in Breaker Morant they would be lining up CPD officers at dawn and executing them by firing squad for doing their jobs properly.

Another good movie along this vein is Paths of Glory, an early (1957) Stanley Kubrick film. In it, the French Military execute some of their own for refusing to continue an impossible attack. Orders then were disobeyed to fire on their own troops for refusing to move forward under murderous machine gun fire.

A French Colonel played by Kirk Douglas warned of the failure and argued in vain to save his men. "Your men died well" is the classic line given after the execution to Douglas by the arrogant French General played by Adolphe Menjou.


The young blonde German woman singing for the French troops at the end of the film became Mrs. Kubrick after completion of the film.

Yeah, I know, the French jokes will be coming. The British high command also knows a thing or two about fucking things up and shifting blame to cover their ass.

Hmmm, sound like any bosses we know?

4/28/2008 06:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IF J-TARD wont give u a tazer,WHY WOULD HE GICE U A HIGH POWER GUN

4/28/2008 07:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous said...
A heavy weapons card? To carry a shotgun? WTF! I'm retired State Police, and it amazes me that your department treats you coppers like a bunch of irresponsible kids. ISP issues shotguns to every brand new Trooper upon graduation from the academy. And within the last 5 years, you could get an M4 assigned to you as long as you went through the mandatory training, which is done on company time and expense. Sounds like your main problem, other than Richie Rich, is your own command people. The people running CPD need to respect and trust the street cops and let them do their jobs. Every command officer and administrative job position is supposed to be there for the sole purpose of helping the officers on the street. If they aren't doing that job, then they need to replace them and get people in those positions who will. I feel really bad for you guys. Hang tough and stay safe.

4/27/2008 09:26:00 PM
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Great comment. For too long the CPD Command Structure has existed to take care of friends and relatives, line their own pockets and take care of each other.

Poor supervision at most levels has created the situation whereby many CPD officers have been allowed to run amok and make headlines. The Command Structure knows better than anyone the miserable supervisory situation in the past, hence the need to treat officers like children.

Poor supervision and miserable or non-existent training are the problems with the CPD. Most officers dearly want to do their job properly and to have quality supervisors lead them.

Give us a supervisory corps of former US Marine Drill Instructors and Gunnery Sergeants and this Department will turn around big time.

4/28/2008 07:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get on the Ball, John said...
Anonymous said...
is LT. Carroll still on his "Fraud & Deception" medical leave? any updates on Sgt. Tim & Sgt. Roy? is midway airport operations doing well w/o the slapnuts?

4/25/2008 11:47:00 PM

word is boffo and kennedy were seen wining and dining the district timekeeper.
It appears overtime shananigans may resume.

4/27/2008 05:24:00 PM

operations doing well? We now have a new C.O. how long will she last? any bets?

4/28/2008 07:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
In Vietnam I did as little as possible. I was in the rear with the gear. Today's Army hires contractors to do what I used to do.........

So when shift starts I do as little as possible. I usually just get my coffee and watch the sun come up over the lake. .....


SO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WERE A COWARD IN VIET NAM AN YOU'RE A COWARD NOW?

4/27/2008 01:21:00 PM

No, dickwad, he's enjoying his life and he is saying he never wanted to lose his life for something frivilous.

You are a complete asshole.

4/27/2008 11:25:00 PM

Why would you get hurt or killed for this shit city? With the liberal idiots at the top, the daley crime family, the family and friends free contract hand outs, why would anyone even think about working hard and getting fired or indicted?

4/28/2008 07:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I gotta agree with the guy commenting with the term "operator". What makes a guy on a SWAT Team an "operator"? Are these "operators" also manning the Departments telephone switchboards on the side, hence the term "operator"? Where did the term come from? Seriously, I would like to know. When did policemen stop being policemen and become "operators"? I just don't understand why anyone would want to call himself an "operator" instead of "policeman" which is what he is. I think that anyone that is assigned to SWAT and calls himself an "operator" should be removed from SWAT and sent back to the shrinks office because they are obviously wacked in the head. BTW, before any of you so called "operators" start in on me, I'm on the list to become part of the SWAT Team. If and when I do get on, you can bet your last dollar you will never hear me refer to myself or any other Police 0fficer already on the team as "operators". I'm proud of who and what I am. A POLICE OFFICER!

4/28/2008 08:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

. Four months after graduating high school and one month after starting college I got drafted
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You had to be 19 1/2 years old to be drafted. If you were a fulltime student (15 hours) you would have gotten a student deferrment. Say what now?

4/28/2008 08:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic and never submit "stuff" on this site. Was at the MARCH OF DIMES WALKATHON today. I was walking behind Supt. Weis and his bride-both very congenial people- for about a third of the walk which was 6.2 miles. The Supt. made it a point to acknowledge all officers along the route. I moved ahead of the crowd we were walking with and saw the boss shortly after the end of the walk. I don't kiss ass and never have but I thought it was great that this man and his wife came out and walked with everyone. I think they wanted to start running which then I wouldn't have finished before them. Anyways, I think the man is going to do a great job with the CPD-give him a minute. I don't know him from any past and don't intend on kissisg any butt. I'm sure he knows more about law enforcement than 90% of us "P.O.s". Coppers who are knocking him should really give the man his due credit. By the way, do you people think the EX-SUPT. Phil would have walked this walk? YEAH RIGHT!

4/27/2008 04:55:00 PM

thanks j-fit for your comments

4/28/2008 08:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! An operator! Someone has been pleasuring themselves while watching Black Hawk Down again. A job full of retards. Most of you SWAT fucks shouldn't even have water pistols.

4/27/2008 07:51:00 AM

Another stroke that can't make it, and complains that life isn't fair.

If you are not on SWAT why would you care what they call themselves?
I bet if you were on SWAT, you would call yourself an operator too.

Now go home to mommy and complain to her.

4/27/2008 10:12:00 PM

Hey toolbox. I did make SWAT and still am on SWAT and you know what I call myself? A Police Officer, plain and simple. No better and no worse than the guys in patrol where I came from. This department will only get better when morons like these stop thinking they are better than everybody else because of a unit they are in or who they know and we unite together and tell mayor pipsqueek and reverend racebait to go f@*k themselves.

4/28/2008 09:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SCC:"where do we train thousands of cops on rifles?"

Must drive way out to the Marseilles National Guard range.

4/28/2008 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

bbbbaaaawwwwwhhhaaaaaaaa....yeah right.

4/28/2008 09:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I gotta agree with the guy commenting with the term "operator". What makes a guy on a SWAT Team an "operator"?"

X-box fantasies,malignant narcisism,imaturity,overwhelming need to feel special.

4/28/2008 09:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe CPD SWAT can join up with the great NIPASS and really fuck up.

4/28/2008 09:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
I heard we are all getting issued a m1 garrand from the Civilan Marksmanship Program.

4/27/2008 10:47:00 AM

I can hardly wait to get my International Harvester National Match

4/28/2008 09:22:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bitch boy on the SWAT smashing, What's a matter you couldn't pass the shooting test or maybe your fat ass couldn't make the run. Fuck off Hater the days of Fred Bossey are gone. We don't make phone calls to get on SWAT. We passed Bitch. The SWAT operators here are locked on. Why don't you tell us your name and we will arrange the shooting test for you and the run. I am willing to a month's salary that you would fail both. So blow me coward boy!!

4/28/2008 12:54:00 AM

You'll arrange the test is correct, because it isn't offered to the rank and file. It's by invite only, so the old days are far from gone. You can go back to watching Blackhawk Down now...

4/28/2008 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OFF TOPIC:
If you read the two different headlines in the Trib you can see the spin that reporters are trying to make on just about any police action:
"Police shoot, kill man in hostage standoff" and "Man shot to death by Chicago Police"
Here is an incident that ended in all 3 hostages being recovered safely, police officer being shot at numerous times, and returning fire, eliminating the threat. Why can't they put "Three Hostages Saved by Chicago Police" as a headline?
The offender had a previous conviction for UUW and Agg Asslt to PO and there was a bunch of extra ammo found in his pockets at the morgue. Witness reports conclude that he also must have reloaded numerous times already since he had fired at least 20 rounds during the incident. You think he wasnt ready to go down in his blaze of glory, taking out as many as he could in the process?
Its good to see that those that just scan the headlines will continue to view the police as killers rather than what we are: men and women out there putting our lives on the line, saving lives.

4/28/2008 10:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cpd dignitary, swat ,sos. enough said

4/28/2008 10:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Joe Warnke said...

if you call yourself a "Swat operator please tell everyone your name so you can get punched
You are a P.O. with a phone call nothing more.

4/27/2008 11:27:00 AM

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again.. more ignorance.
and someone like this doesnt have the balls to walk up to ANYONE, even a 'SWAT OPERATOR' and voice his opinion, much less punch someone.

-J. Warnke (currently a SWAT OPERATOR)

4/28/2008 10:36:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If and when I do get on, you can bet your last dollar you will never hear me refer to myself or any other Police 0fficer already on the team as "operators". I'm proud of who and what I am. A POLICE OFFICER!

4/28/2008 08:36:00 AM

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'Operator' is the correct title for SWAT personnel, just like 'officer' is the correct title for a patrolman. When did men and women start being called Officers? When they graduated the Police academy. So there is your answer. Its simply what theyre called. Has no implication of superiority. ET's are 'technicians', as well as officers. Canine are 'handlers', as well as officers, and SWAT personell are 'operators', as well as officers.

4/28/2008 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Here is an idea. Look up Beretta.com and check out the Cx4 Storm carbine. I was able to hold, but not fire one recently and the ex-partner of mine who owned it (not in the city) was right when he said that it was the most ergonomically sweet gun he ever held. I am no gun nut but it felt easy to use, it held a Sure-fire light at the muzzle and the optical sights put a glowing cross hair on the target. The gun was convertible for left or right handed shooters and comes in 9mm, 40 cal. and .45ACP using Berretta handgun magazines. They are pistol calibers but the intention is to put multiple fast accurate rounds on target at urban distances. Since they are pistol rounds personnel could be trained on department ranges, and if you can handle a Berretta pistol you can be taught to handle this carbine.

Now here is the twist, the department should seek out grant money, from Department of Homeland Security, Beretta, Bill Gates or whoever like we did for body armor to buy these. Then give the officers specified kit packages that would include everything, including vehicle lock boxes. I wish I knew how to paste a photo on this blog of this gun.

The officers would have to be armed with Beretta handguns of the same caliber so the magazines would be interchangeable. The officer would have to have at least five years to go until expected retirement and be physically fit. The guns would be the responsibility of a single officer 24/7 so none of the cigar ashes down the shotgun barrels or old. When he or she left the job, the officer would turn in the gun to the department; after all they paid for it.

Stay safe, but they will never do this, it makes too much sense.

4/28/2008 10:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/grand-theft-auto-iv/grand-theft-auto-iv-videos/1173207

This is what we will be up against!

4/28/2008 11:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a couple of comments, First I have been trained on all of the departments heavy weapons. No recertifications have been done for a few years now.....anybody know why????? Most of the heavy weapons I was told were military surplus....not new.

Had a job recently where the suburbs and state police along with a suburban department were chasing a Dom Battery offender who was armed with a handgun, fled in vehicle onto expressway then parked car and fled on foot. Guess who whipped out the heavy weapons??? State police and suburban P.O.'s none of course for CPD. The only ones around were POLICE but I thought it was pretty impressive. TOO bad the neighborhood thugs didn't get to see some higher fire power.

ANYBODY think these outdoor roll calls where you take cars from equally busy districts and send them to another to make it look like we have lots of P.O.'s in the district is working. WTF give me a break. All you are doing is shorting the other district who mandatorily has to respond. Who's brainchild is that????

4/28/2008 11:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ummm, Cline did in fact do that walk as well.

4/28/2008 11:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HaHa, a real pinhead on here applauds J-Fraud because he walked in the March of Dimes Mararthon.

So apparently his qualification to be Supt. of police is that he can walk. So can I !

4/28/2008 11:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Off topic.
Why is Rev. Wright building his house in Tinley Park where the population is 93% white?
If he hates the white man so much, why not build in Chatam, Roseland or how about South Chicago?
Wait a minute....how about Ford Heights? Just askin'.

4/27/2008 03:55:00 PM

A REVERAND THATS BUILDING A HOUSE HUH??? GEE WIZ. THE REVERANDS AT MY CHURCH CANT AFFORD TO "BUILD A HOUSE".

4/28/2008 12:22:00 AM

that's because all the money is being used for attorney fees for the catholic priest who molest children

4/28/2008 12:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wouldn't it be a hoot if Colt pulled a Ronnie Barrett and refused to sell to your fine department??

karma, indeed.

4/28/2008 12:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

don't forget - they make m16/m4/ar15's chambered in 9mm. . .. .

4/28/2008 12:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is the WORST idea this department has ever had!

I can't wait until its put into action.

Overall, less that 10% of this department can properly handle their handguns, let alone an M4. But that isn't even the biggest problem.

About 20% of the people on this job should be finishing off coloring books in a rubber room.

Another 30% aren't qualified to sweep the district floors, let alone enfore the law.

An additional 20% are more likely to shoot themselves or another police officer in response to a deadly threat.

About 5% of this department would lose the M4 in the first two weeks.

Another 5% would immediately sell their CPD M4 to to dope dealers to buy rims and then say the gun was stolen.

Another 15% currently don't carry a handgun and would have no use for an M4.

The last 5% are doing all of the police work in the city and are too goddamn busy to be lugging around a rifle.

4/28/2008 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But just like Vietnam, it's a rifle I'll never fire in combat because the first time a copper fires one they'll all go back into the stations alongside the shotguns.
------------

Great stuff.

4/28/2008 02:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where do I buy a holster for that thing?

4/28/2008 02:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The M4 "solution" will have its first pilot program at Call Back.

4/28/2008 02:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Every squad car on the street should have a 12 gauge pump shotgun in the vehicle... ready to go. When you have an armed robbery,etc, you need firepower NOW and not 20 minutes from now. This firearm is what the CPD needs to issue. Enough said.

4/28/2008 03:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The budget should not be an issue; If King Richie and J-Fed REALLY want long guns for the troops, they can go through the LESO program, and obtain NEW Unused Military M-16s for $25 shipping per weapon. Cost to convert to semi auto only would run the agency about 35 to 40 dollars per weapon. A damn sight cheaper than buying all new commerical weapons. No charge for the tip, J-Fraud.

4/28/2008 05:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey toolbox. I did make SWAT and still am on SWAT and you know what I call myself? A Police Officer, plain and simple. No better and no worse than the guys in patrol where I came from. This department will only get better when morons like these stop thinking they are better than everybody else because of a unit they are in or who they know and we unite together and tell mayor pipsqueek and reverend racebait to go f@*k themselves.

Nice comment Office, from another P.O. thanks.

4/28/2008 05:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard they actually did start training people on the M-4's today but the physical was more than a lot of people could handle (think power test...). A power test huh, isn't their more force from our 12 gauge shotguns than the nearly recoil-free M-4's. Huh, maybe that's how he's sneaking the idea of better physical fitness in.

4/28/2008 05:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
In Vietnam I did as little as possible. I was in the rear with the gear. Today's Army hires contractors to do what I used to do.........

So when shift starts I do as little as possible. I usually just get my coffee and watch the sun come up over the lake. .....


SO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS YOU WERE A COWARD IN VIET NAM AN YOU'RE A COWARD NOW?

4/27/2008 01:21:00 PM

No, dickwad, he's enjoying his life and he is saying he never wanted to lose his life for something frivilous.

You are a complete asshole.

4/27/2008 11:25:00 PM

Frivilous.................
No Pal you are the asshole

4/28/2008 05:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The best advice my father ever gave me. Be kind to everyone you meet on the way up because you'll meet them all again on the way back down.

4/28/2008 09:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous said...
This is the WORST idea this department has ever had!

I can't wait until its put into action.

Overall, less that 10% of this department can properly handle their handguns, let alone an M4. But that isn't even the biggest problem.

About 20% of the people on this job should be finishing off coloring books in a rubber room.

Another 30% aren't qualified to sweep the district floors, let alone enfore the law.

An additional 20% are more likely to shoot themselves or another police officer in response to a deadly threat.

About 5% of this department would lose the M4 in the first two weeks.

Another 5% would immediately sell their CPD M4 to to dope dealers to buy rims and then say the gun was stolen.

Another 15% currently don't carry a handgun and would have no use for an M4.

The last 5% are doing all of the police work in the city and are too goddamn busy to be lugging around a rifle.

4/28/2008 02:23:00 PM
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Jeez you sure complicate things! when I came on the rule was very simple: 80% of the work was done by 20% of the officers. Was true 25 years ago, still true now.

As for this M4 rifle, the reason they took shotguns out of the cars back when, besides the fact that coppers didn't take care of them, didn't clean them, didn't follow procedure etc. was that the "community" (black community) complained that the shotguns were "intimidating."

That was exactly the idea. Nothing put a halt to a bunch of misbehaving lunatics like jacking a round into a police pump shotgun. Of course the folks back then knew without doubt that the officer holding that shotgun was very likely to cut someone in two with that 12 gauge so they listened when that model 870 had a round chambered.

I can see maybe one or two rifles per district but overall, the 12 gauge pump action shotgun is a better police tool.

4/28/2008 09:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Off topic.
Why is Rev. Wright building his house in Tinley Park where the population is 93% white?
If he hates the white man so much, why not build in Chatam, Roseland or how about South Chicago?
Wait a minute....how about Ford Heights? Just askin'.

4/27/2008 03:55:00 PM
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It is because the Rev. Wright is also about 93% white.

4/28/2008 09:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anonymous said...
. Four months after graduating high school and one month after starting college I got drafted
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You had to be 19 1/2 years old to be drafted. If you were a fulltime student (15 hours) you would have gotten a student deferrment. Say what now?

4/28/2008 08:51:00 AM
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Bullshit. I registered for the draft within a week of my 18th birthday in 1968. The law then required one to register within a certain time frame, 1 week, a month, don't recall. What I am crystal clear on was that pre-induction physical letter arriving a month later. And then after another month, Greetings, the induction letter. No 19 1/2 shit, 18 and gone to boot camp. Maybe in your area they waited but on the west side of Chicago (all white then) once you turned 18 you were fair game.

And then you got to the induction center on Van Buren St and they went one, two, three, you're a Marine and so on.

4/28/2008 09:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes Please more Sgt AK he is stealth or cia or the fact that his head is smaller that the rest of his body! Nice try former airforce rimf. Go take another 5 yrs off wannabe. An example of the military brom pushers that think that just being in the usaf or usmc as a cook or airwing puke is the ticket to their success on this less than boy scout troop org that we call a police dept!! Zero qualifications except for bs certificates from nonsense courses in self promotion. Try using your other hand next time. It is like the fbi yellow brick road award for just doing 10 miles with no time allowance or equipment required. Boy how fat is fat.It is like those bosses that go to northwestern and try to get alumni plates for their cars. A joke period.How many papers do they have to write. Does anyone fail out????So Dream on about the m4s if it makes you feel more manly and wear your bs ribbons on your chicken chests to impress yourself and the waitress at the dive were you get half off chow.A former chief of patrol wants a sherman tank at O'Hare.LoL were a sad bunch. The fat dumb and blind lead by the dillusional

4/28/2008 10:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been working a beat car for 20+ years, so therefore I am officially going to begin calling myself a "BEAT OPERATOR"!
P.S. When I'm off duty, I'm a Smooooooth Operator!

4/28/2008 10:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The return of the mad shitter said...

What this city needs is former Deputy Ops Daniels from Baltimore, Maryland. He would address every role call by first saying "Fuck the numbers. Quality FIRST! We are going back to good ole fashioned, knowing the community you serve, POLICE WORK!" Last I heard, he retired and began private practice as an attorney. Maybe we can draft him and finally saved this Damned city.

Wait! Daniels.....That's a fictional character from 'The Wire'. Oh well, doesn't hurt to dream once and while. Did any of you "bright" guys notice the "role call", stated above?

Oh well. Maybe we can all get together and purchase all five seasons for our "Soup", so he can have an idea of what a leader on a major city police department does.

The return of the mad shitter says...
The above statements and commentary are for the amusement of fellow Chicago Police Officers, and by no means intended to make anyone look any more stupid or incompentent than they may already appear.

4/28/2008 10:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bullshit. I registered for the draft within a week of my 18th birthday in 1968. The law then required one to register within a certain time frame, 1 week, a month, don't recall. What I am crystal clear on was that pre-induction physical letter arriving a month later. And then after another month, Greetings, the induction letter.
Greetings, the induction letter. No 19 1/2 shit, 18 and gone to boot camp. Maybe in your area they waited but on the west side of Chicago (all white then) once you turned 18 you were fair game.

The return of the mad shitter said...
My neice is about 3 years old, and I'm sure she may even know that the west side of Chicago wasn't "all white then", in 1968. I don't usually get into name calling, but sir.......YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT!

You ignorant, self righteous, two year boy/girl wonder. Try getting a life and not attempting to decieve us with type of nonsense.

4/28/2008 11:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
SCC:"where do we train thousands of cops on rifles?"

Must drive way out to the Marseilles National Guard range.

4/28/2008 09:11:00 AM

You can train in my back yard. I'm near Midway. Just bring your M4, I got some plywood and spray paint to paint targets on the plywood. Oh yeah, bring beer and ammo. It might piss the neighbors off, but fuck 'em. P.S. don't shoot the dog.

4/28/2008 11:16:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

-J. Warnke (currently a SWAT OPERATOR

Hey moron you can call yourself whatever you want. I did over ten years in SOS so go and try to fool someone who wasnt there rubber. You had a good phone call so shut up and enjoy it.

4/29/2008 01:12:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey "smooth operator", they wrote a song about you.

4/29/2008 01:16:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The best advice my father ever gave me. Be kind to everyone you meet on the way up because you'll meet them all again on the way back down.

4/28/2008 09:16:00 PM
.....................................................................................Lt. J Carroll

4/29/2008 01:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A short while back, there was a mass-murderer in the 009th district who shot and killed people in an office/warehouse on 39th street, while the police and detectives waited outside...listening to the gunshots and screams for help, while awaiting " ORDERS "...phat phill arrived and ordered swat while the gunshots were going on inside...upon entry the gunman had killed EVERYONE, and then had shot himself and was dying...because he held a gun, a swat officer finished the job...the 'paper detective ' who wrote the case report was promoted to a sgt. in IAD...even being there while those people where screaming for help...MY POINT To THIS: DO NOT STAND DOWN AND BE A COWARD !!! You took an oath and are getting a paycheck...shit can happen extremely fast and BAD !!!Don't be a sit-down, wait-and-see jag-off like my IAD friend...MAN-UP and do ur job in bad situations and BACK EACH OTHER UP......P.S. FUCK the movers/parkers/event #'s and $ bags...fuck the city...

4/29/2008 01:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You'll arrange the test is correct, because it isn't offered to the rank and file. It's by invite only, so the old days are far from gone. You can go back to watching Blackhawk Down now...

4/28/2008 10:14:00 AM

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seriously? where you on furlough when they put the notice out? did no one tell you?
THE TEST WAS OFFEERED TO EVERY SWORN MEMBER WITH MORE THAN 3 YEARS AND A DECENT CR HISTORY.
your argument just became null and void.

4/29/2008 05:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Off topic.
Why is Rev. Wright building his house in Tinley Park where the population is 93% white?
If he hates the white man so much, why not build in Chatam, Roseland or how about South Chicago?
Wait a minute....how about Ford Heights? Just askin'.

4/27/2008 03:55:00 PM

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cuz he dont wanna be around his people either except to take their money

4/29/2008 08:11:00 AM  

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