Understanding Miranda
So what's the liability factor for the Detectives who didn't explain what a lawyer was to a 15 year old juvenile who probably has more time in the justice system than in the classroom?
In a blow to prosecutors, a Cook County judge threw out the confession of one of two teens charged with the May 2007 murder of Julian High School student Blair Holt.
Judge Michael Toomin ruled that statements Kevin Jones made to police and prosecutors could not be admitted at trial, because Jones -- who was 15 at the time -- did not understand his Miranda rights.
“The state has failed to show ... that there was compliance with the mandate of Miranda, that he understood the right to counsel, that he understood the right to remain silent,” Toomin said this morning.
“It cannot be concluded that he really knew what an attorney was,” Toomin said.
So in addition to being social workers and marriage counselors, it falls on the police to teach the dropouts what they couldn't be bothered to learn in a fifth-grade civics class.
Anyone think we'll ever get to be the police again?
Thanks Toomin, you ass.
Anyone think we'll ever get to be the police again?
Thanks Toomin, you ass.
Labels: silly people
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
197 Comments:
off topic:m copper gets in a fight in 018 on saturday night and has to admin blow even after the complianant backs out..... it aint worth it fellas..
Lets see......videotaped interrogation......ASA on scene....bosses all over the case ensuring procedures are followed....I give? What more should have been done?
You only hear how the police "screwed up" never the ASA's office or the Judges.
Someone turn out the lights when you leave. This place is screwed.
God bless the Holt family.
91-5C
Former Commander of Airports and now demoted Lt. James G. Carroll maybe trying to set up a similar defense in regards to the OVERTIME FRAUD AND DECEPTION investigation.
Jim Carroll is now seen walking up and down his block in his bathrobe and fluffy slippers while carrying a newspaper. Not unlike the famous mobster who also try this trick on the feds. Acting all crazy and talking to himself while still running the mob.
Carroll is also seen walking and empty leash and pretending a dog is attached to it.
And the topper!!!!! Donny walked up to Jimmy while he was standing on the corner in his bathrobe, fluffy slippers and pretend dog on a leash and JIMMY KEPT ASKING DONNY, who are you? do I know you? want to pet my dog young boy?
Very sad to see such destruction of a former gold badge exempt member! Its getting so bad, Jimmy doesn't even do the hair comb-over to hide his bald head! Rock bottom or great acting, which one do you think?
Hmmmmmmmmm don't have to worry about miranda rights with these two bright offenders!
LOS ANGELES — Two teenage girls who attempted to rob a cab driver, slashing his face with a box cutter, were thrown from the taxi and killed in a wreck on Tuesday, police said.
The 50-year-old driver was taken to a hospital and released after receiving treatment for minor injuries, including cuts to his neck and face, Los Angeles Police Department spokeswoman Officer April Harding said. His name was not immediately released.
Two 17-year-old girls flagged down the cab at about 12:30 a.m. in eastern Los Angeles and asked to be taken to a nearby housing project, police said.
The girls were Alexous Ann Sandoval and Daisy Orozco, both Los Angeles residents, the coroner's office said.
Holy Miscarriage of Justice Batman!!!
The judge is bias. This judge is making a statement to the victim's family and society. Seems like police families can't get justice in any court room. Not just cops but their kids too.
A lesson learned is to vote out judges. You should vote all them out. Unless proven to be competent.
Judges and politicians have agendas and this must be the year of the pig, contrary to the Chinese calender year of 2007.
IF YOU WANT TO RUN FOR ELECTION. THE MAYOR, ALDERMAN AND JUDICIAL POSITIONS SEEM LIKE THE TYPE OF CAREER MOVE FOR A POLICE OFFICER.
HOW ABOUT TAKING A RISK AND GO FOR IT!!!
You have to read the Miranda "rights" (by the way, judge made law, not legislative, certainly not in the Constitution) and ask the interviewee if he understands. If the answer is yes, then you're good to go. You do not have to "test" the subject's voluntariness to answer questions. Toomin is a piece of shit and this could get reversed by the Appellate court.
Who cares.
Bye bye, Judge Toomin!
HE GONE!
Vote "NO" on retention for judge Toomin next election!
Anyone think we'll ever get to be the police again?
Like the ones that came on the job because they wanted to help people and make a difference?
not sure about this But isnt a 15 year old entitled to have his parent/guardian present?
Were they?? Just asking
LEAVE Chicago, Cook County, and Illinois if possible if you want to be the police. Cook County Judges are corrupt and are part of the crooked machine. Let this city turn into Detroit. Weis has smashed morale to a never before seen low. For those of you still young enough and able to, Please do you and your families a favor and leave CPD. It is not a rule violation to have a cold beer when you are off duty in suburban departments. FUCK CHICAGO, I absolutley hate this shithole City, the biggest mistake I ever made was joining this department!!
Anonymous said...
"I don't recall" isn't going to cut it.
4/07/2008 11:00:00 PM"
He'll probably take the 5th like Phil Cline did early in his career.
Apparently the Mayor likes his Superintendents mired in controversy & equipped with questionable ethical values?
4/08/2008 10:04:00 PM
Why wasn't Cline fired for administrative violations back then? Did Fat Phil have a Rule 14 violation? How did he manage to testify at the Grand Jury pleading the Fifth Amendment and not take anytime for administrative rule violations?
If the City of Chicago thinks that they are going to walk away from some of the recent railroadings of innocent officers they have another thing coming.
So if I'm caught drinking a beer in my backyard, can I pretend that I don't know what beer is?
Can past CR#'s that are being reopened affect current retirees? How far back can they go on a past CR# in terms of years? I know they allegedly only keep CR#'s for five years but there is a rumor that a PO was stripped on an eleven year old beef in 023,WTF???
FOP we need more than commercials!!!
I guess being black and stupid is now an affirmative defense!
Isn't this legal decision going to open the door for every juvenile to have their statements thrown out?
THE REAL QUESTION IS:
What procedure are we suppose to use so future statements aren't thrown out?
Can you answer me this your honor?
“It cannot be concluded that he really knew what an attorney was,” Toomin said.
That is because no minor should be subject to the nasty, sick, perverted, disgusting, thieving, back-stabbing things an attorney is made up of!
There is only one R left of the three Rs in criminology. Obviously, the retribution ended in the 80s, reinstitutionalization ended in the 90s, all we have left is rehabilitation. They think a bunch of crazy cops are going to become psychologists and convince gang members that kill for no reason, to behave and find a job.
Isn't a judge just an attorney that has a higher bribe cost?
Any offender who spends any time in jail must meet 100's of attorneys that are currently locked up!
This is typical bullshit. I can tell you anything however; I can't make you know anything. Crook County again.
HAGERSTOWN, Md. - The state prison agency fired eight correctional officers Tuesday, bringing the number to 17 in an investigation into allegations of brutality against inmates at two western Maryland institutions.
The latest firings occurred at the medium-security Roxbury Correctional Institution near Hagerstown, where nine officers were fired Friday. All were terminated amid allegations of excessive force during the weekend of March 8, the Department of Public Safety and Correctional Services said in a statement.
A criminal probe of the alleged abuse at Roxbury is continuing, the agency said.
The judge asked the defendant...
Do you know what
A Rapist is?
A muderer is?
A child molster is?
A robber is?
A thief is?
A politican is?
A cheater is?
A snitch is?
A catfish is?
Dog poop is?
An over flowing stuffed up toilet bowl is?
The defendant said YES TO ALL THOSE QUESTIONS....
The the Judge said... an attorney is all of the above and more!
The bad guy when asked if he knew what an attorney is told the judge, Damn right I do, its a person who charges you more an hour than a whore does and fucks you without touching you!
The Judge responding by say yes it is but those are the good ones.
When will the outcry begin, when will the media shine the light on the judges who side with the criminals day in and day out. This is just 1 of many judges who release criminals back onto our streets every day. This guy should hook up with the lunatic in Br 38 who finds PC on 1 or 2 cases out of 50. Getting felony approvaal is hard enough. Even if you get it these judges say you lied and find no PC. What an outright MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE. Another crook county hack.
Sorry to hear that. Even though we don't have the specifics of the case, I'm going to assume it wasn't documented properly. Here's another life lesson.
We are required by law to advise the subject prior to beginning any interrogation of his rights, and you must document such. We are required by law to make sure the subject clearly understood his rights, and you must document such.
Some like to read each right and immediately ask the subject if he understood that right.
Whats this understaning Miranda, I loved her movies!
One less judge that can pass around his palm card at election time.
Most Judges not all, are just like the ASA's . They don't give a shit about the police. For a judge to make a ruling like that is ass-in-nine. Just because a defendant said he didn't know what an attorney was "HELLO" Did you spend any time awake in school ? Long ago I had Judge Pincham (God rest his soul ) NOT !!!! Let an offender go who was a Blackstone Ranger because he told him he didn't even know what marijuana looked like even though he had a pound in under his coat that he threw to the ground. So the Unhonorable judge threw the case out.Toomin is a double ass and should start a new line of work , say like going home as getting his fuckin' shine box. Hey Judge,
FUCK YOU !!!!!!
In the Miranda ruling the State has the burden of proof to show that a person knowingly waived his rights. That's why you see all that extra stuff from your FOP book. It makes it easier for the State to show that the suspect knowingly waived his rights. In reality, officers only have to hit 4 things per Miranda. 1.) right to remain silent 2.) right not to self-incriminate 3.) right to an attorney and 4.) the State must supply an attorney if the suspect does not have the funds to afford an attorney. That's it.
It sounds like there were other factors involved also. As Dicks were going to have to eventually read the whole ruling to really grasp why he ruled the way he did.
Judge Toomin is considered to be a fair judge and has a lot of knowledge of the law. Both sides like him. Usually his rulings stand.
Don't count on being the police anytime soon. Problem is: there is NO MORE DISCIPLINE in our society. Think about it...over the past twenty years there has been a breakdown of society's fundamental values. In 1980 when I signed up for CPD, we never had the problems that we do now. Business was taken care of on the spot. Now, it's just not worth the aggravation. Let the beast continue to kill their own at random.
As for not understanding Miranda??? What a crock of shit. Check out some of these goof's cell phones. Some have their attorney's phone number on speed dial.
what a joke.
he did understand what murder was.
Defend the homefront, let everyone else fend for themselves. Write the paper, forget convictions, go by the book.
Let the ASA's take the evidence to a grand jury and go from there.
He didn't know what a lawyer was? Horseshit. This judge is as stupid as they are if he believes this.
They know exactly what a lawyer is. Mama sues everybody. They do understand how many grams in an 8-ball. The know the difference between 9mm and .38 caliber.
Will they appeal and take it up the judicial ladder like they did to the poor copper who was orderd to blow and then the results of the blow were excluded. Or, will tehy just let it go? What about charging him Federaly for violating his victims rights. Think J-Fed will make a phone call on this one?
Pallidin
Anonymous said...
Off topic but you might want to hear this, it may tell explain the path our new regime is taking with the department.
When Mike Shield took over for Johnh Risley he told the officers at TRU that everything was going great, but a few things might get treeked.
First they dump a popular commander, and a unpopular Assist. Deputy. Next they divide the platoons in half. Then on Tuesday Shield meets with the FOP and advises them that the city plans on offering the unit a ten hour day schedule, ten hours thursday - sunday,( RDO'S MON-WED.) No rotating RDO's.
The FOP stands up to him and tells them there is no way they will go along with that, and that again it is a contractual issue, to bring it up at contract talks. Shield walks out.
Now we are hering that even though the Commander, T Williams has stated we will not be down sized, all the officers detailed, approximately 120, will be sent back to districts, this may happen as soon as change day. In adition they may not be sent to there original districts at first.
Now you may or may not like TRU, but you better watch out, because this administration does not give a rats ass about our contract or our personal lifes, and they will do whatever they need to do to better themselves.
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This sounds typical of CPD.
Question: I know if you are detailed they can send you back to your original district, but, contractually, can they send you to another district?
That doesn't sound right.
12:37 AM
So our uncle, Vinny "The Chin" Gigante, used to walk around Greenwich Village in his bathrobe and jammies.
Uncle Vinny is dead now. The Genovese family don't appreciate your disrespect.
Vinny was wacko but consider yourself wacked, you rat cocksucker.
Anonymous said...
off topic:m copper gets in a fight in 018 on saturday night and has to admin blow even after the complianant backs out..... it aint worth it fellas..
4/09/2008 12:06:00 AM
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So what is he facing now? 30 pending? What is the going suspension for drinking off duty?
Toomin is a piece of shit and this could get reversed by the Appellate court.
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It can't be reversed by the Appellate court if they lose the case.
Only convictions can be overturned.
Odds are they'll have to drop the charges now.
off topic:m copper gets in a fight in 018 on saturday night and has to admin blow even after the complianant backs out..... it aint worth it fellas..
4/09/2008 12:06:00 AM
You're right it ain't worth it.
I only go out to certain private and family functions. Even then I have to admit I'm nervous as hell. It sucks but that's the way it is for now. Until this blows over, I'll stay out of the taverns. It's easy for me to say this because I have two small children and low funds anyways, but even if I was a young single copper, I'd be taking it easy for sure.
Stay local, don't drive, and be aware of cameras in bars.
It's getting harder and harder to feel sorry for POs involved in off-duty stuff when we're reminded daily of the consequences.
I'm even considering leaving the job and becoming a civilian. Who wants to live their life in constant fear of being disciplined for nonsense? I know I don't.
I hope this all blows over, but it won't be anytime soon.
Stay safe and always remember to do what you gotta do.
anonymous said...
Bye bye, Judge Toomin!
HE GONE!
Vote "NO" on retention for judge Toomin next election!
4/09/2008 01:02:00 AM
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I always vote no for all retentions. Fuck these judges.
From the account in Carnegie Mellon's paper, the Tartan, of a Michelle Obama event in Pittsburgh:
While the crowd was indeed diverse, some students at the event questioned the practices of Mrs. Obama’s event coordinators, who handpicked the crowd sitting behind Mrs. Obama.
The Tartan’s correspondents observed one event coordinator say to another, “Get me more white people, we need more white people.” To an Asian girl sitting in the back row, one coordinator said, “We’re moving you, sorry. It’s going to look so pretty, though.”
“I didn’t know they would say, ‘We need a white person here,’ ” said attendee and senior psychology major Shayna Watson, who sat in the crowd behind Mrs. Obama. “I understood they would want a show of diversity, but to pick up people and to reseat them, I didn’t know it would be so outright.”
I have over 10 years on the job and I don't think we've been the police since I started. Things are 300% worse now but, it wasn't great when I was a ppo. I can't imagine what it must have been like to be the real CPD.
Lets face the facts, in the very near future there will be a camera on every street corner that will watch stop signs, traffic signals and every move you make. The police won't make arrests of any kind without a warrant signed by a judge and approved by a states attorney.
The democrats aka socialists/communists have all but won and taken your freedoms away. The only things you will be allowed to do in this country is have gay sex on the corner and curse Jesus Christ's name any way you choose.
This job, city, and department are officially in the "shitter". It's all over for the police and soon the citizens will begin to feel the effects as well.
This is a great lesson for all of our teenagers. You can KILL someone and walk away scot-free just by claiming after the fact that you didn't understand your miranda warnings... This city and county are completely fucking screwed.
and eigth grade, at 15 he cannot be admitted to high school without passing the constitution test. Its his fault, not the dicks. Judge, being dumb or not understanding is not an excuse, the burden is on Jones.
All this garbage is coming to a pass. The city who pays criminals, the dept going after its officers, the shit judges who make poor rulings, the overworked ASA, the over burdened felony courts, not convicting for any misdormeanors in the city, the pissed off low morale coppers. We have the worst city in the nation, and no one notices, OH but they will this summer with the huge increase in crime.
Judge Toomin is rock solid and he knows the law better than anyone at 26th & Cal. He had no problem agreeing with the State when he ruled that Harry Aleman's first murder trial was a sham and thus double jeapordy did not bar a second trial on the murder.
I heard that the advisement of rights didn't go real well in the interview room.
Everyone is asking why all this violence with Chicago's youths, well here's your answer. Bullshit judicial system that we have, that puts criminals back in the street and commit more crimes. If this piece of crap gets off because he didn't know what a lawyer was and kills again, the next victim's blood is on the judge's hands. Mr. Holt, I wish you the best of luck and hope these mopes get what they deserve.
Victims father is unknown to the judge so he's going to nitpick the case law. It's different though if the defendant is a baby-selling relative of a friend-of-a-friend. Oh, and I forgot to mention, an attorney also. The city that works.
12:37am
Daley's been mumbling/stuttering
for 25 years; why give credit to a
greaseball.........
holy crap! do you think the kids LIED, Your Honor??
Aren't the words, "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say and do can be used against you in the court of law."
That's pretty basic, something any 15 year-old can understand.
What's a cop to do? Take each suspect before a judge to have the Miranda rights explained in multi-lingual and cartoon format?
As I get older I get more certian that Judges do crap like this to actually increase crime thereby ensuring their job security and that of the lawyers that make payoffs to the Judge thru the Judge's Bailiff.
Respectfully,
DW
(not a cop)
OFF TOPIC: I WAS AT CHRIST HOSPITAL ON A SHOOTING FROM 65PL/KEDZIE LAST WEEK, DUDE SHOT IN THE BACK. ON THE SCENE, I THOUGHT FOR SURE HE WAS DEAD, I DO GIVE CREDIT TO THE AMBULANCE AND DOCTORS FOR SAVING THESE RATS LIVES. WHILE I WAS IN THERE WATCHING THE DR.'S SAVE THIS PUNK, IN COMES ANOTHER DUDE SHOT IN THE BELLY, LOOKED DEAD, ONCE AGAIN THE DR.'S SAVED HIS USELESS LIFE.
THE POINT OF THIS IS, JUST IMAGINE THE HOMICIDE RATE IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE AMBULANCES AND DR.'S? IT WOULD BE BREATHTAKING, IN A GOOD WAY!!!
“It cannot be concluded that he really knew what an attorney was,” Toomin said.
Has the little pos watched tv? Been arrested before?
not sure about this But isnt a 15 year old entitled to have his parent/guardian present?
Were they?? Just asking
A parent or Youth officer must be present before Miranda can be given to Juveniles.
Anonymous said...
Who cares.
4/09/2008 12:58:00 AM
I bet you wouldn't say that if it was your child that got killed by that piece of shit, you asshole! Go suck on a tailpipe!
29 and day said...
not sure about this But isnt a 15 year old entitled to have his parent/guardian present?
Were they?? Just asking
4/09/2008 01:17:00 AM
Yes he/she is. However, if you can't find one (which isn't uncommon on the west side), a cross trained detective can act as the guardian. That det. just can't have anything to do with the case at all.
We do it all the time in A/4 ('cause momma won't leave her 3 month old baby with the other kids (who might stuff it in the garbage can while she's gone) or grandma is too sick and old to come in.
Off topic; SWAT team is proof unity breeds victory. They let it be known "no sergants pay no SWAT team".Rumor has it they have already been assured. Learn from this STAND TOGETHER ! They didnt win by saying we are gonna just do our job.
I thought I read that the OFFENDER'S mother was present for the interview!!!!! I guarantee she knows what an attorney is, what a tv camera is and what OPS/IPRA is!!!!
Old guy stuff. I had an A/S/A once admit that he pulled Driver's license records on "our" defendant once, to see if I (the noble robbery dick) had signed the confession for the chump. Just because the guy's middle name was "Pumpkin," and he dotted the the "i" with a little heart. Is there no trust left between pofessionals in this world? Old Dick Rule 2. Don't EVER let the fu**ee sign the confession with a red crayon. Not credible.
THAT JIMMY CARROLL UPDATE POST IS FUNNY! IF YOU KNOW THE GUY, YOU COULD PICTURE WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THAT POST SO TRUE! YOU GUYS ARE TOO FUNNY! THANKS FOR THE LAUGHS!
If you are a poor black 15 year old the State will just assume that you know nothing, that you are not responsible for your actions, and you need to be protected-never mind who your actions affect. Typical liberal mindset of no personal responsibility. This boy will grow to be a good Democrat and carry on a long tradition of ignorance, racism and destruction of our society just like Coldtype.
Sorry to hear that. Even though we don't have the specifics of the case, I'm going to assume it wasn't documented properly. Here's another life lesson.
We are required by law to advise the subject prior to beginning any interrogation of his rights, and you must document such. We are required by law to make sure the subject clearly understood his rights, and you must document such.
Some like to read each right and immediately ask the subject if he understood that right.
4/09/2008 05:05:00 AM
Its on VIDEO....how much more documenation do we need to have for these frickin judges
wasn't a parent with him during questioning...I mean, does that not count for something? Sounds like the defense lawyer played that angle up reeeeaaalllll good....
Hi boys and gals! Its your favorite Lt. of Police Richie Scotchbreath! (HIC-UP,BURP,FART)
I just wanted to let you know that the watch commander made me blow when I came into work yesterday and thanks to my pure 100 proof breath I blew the machine up! So all of you boys and gals who like to have a cocktail after work are safe in the fighting 8th District to get intoxicated until they replace the B.A.C. machine I killed with my dragon scotch breath.
So enjoy yourself boys and gals! Hit TR's for the nickle tap beer special and let's get plowed!
Nothing better than a night of non-stop drinking and then White Castle hamburgers to cap the night off! (HIC-UP,BURP,FART) I love it, sometimes I even pull the blankets over Anita's head when I (HIC-UP,BURP,FART) and laugh as she gags! LOL LOL LOL
Be safe and get drunk!
Lt. Richie Scotchbreath
Judge Obbish is another one that needs to be voted out
15 YEARS OLD AND DOESN'T KNOW WHAT AN ATTORNEY IS?
IF THIS ALONE ISN'T A SYMBOL OF OUR CHICAGO PUBLIC SCHOOLS ABILITY TO EDUCATE THIER STUDENTS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS!
Just because he is 15 and CAN'T spell ATTORNEY doesn't mean he doesn;t know what one is!
Doesn't know what an attorney is?
Judge should of asked him, you know what that public defender was that was appointed to you after each of your 15 arrests?
I bet he would of known then!
"Sorry to hear that. Even though we don't have the specifics of the case, I'm going to assume it wasn't documented properly. Here's another life lesson."
NOT DOCUMENTED PROPERLY?!!!??? IT WAS ON FUCKING VIDEO LIKE ALL THE OTHER HOMICIDE INTERROGATIONS.
THIS IS FUCKING RETARDED!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe this could have been avoided if Maas had followed the rules/law and had a det. from SVU sit in on the interview but maas knows best.
Please start writing the union to have them address all the issues that Weis is coming up with.
For example... the administrative blow involving an officer at any time at any place.
What is intoxicated? .04, .05, .08????
Also if you are having a party in your yard and the neighbor calls and complains about noise... Your Yard is Private Property. We do have privacy rights. Privacy - the right to be left alone.
There is a labor law ...
http://www.state.il.us/agency/idol/laws/Law55.htm
Right to Privacy in the Workplace Act
Prohibits any individual from refusing to hire, terminate employment, or otherwise disadvantage any person because he or she uses alcohol and/or tobacco away from the job site on non-working time.
Let me get this straight... the 15 year old offender was so stupid that he couldn't understand his rights or what a lawyer is...
job security!
Let him loose so he can crank out a few retarded progeny. I need to send my kids to college.
Toomin is one of the biggest police hating judges at 26th Street, what a crushing blow to Ronnie Holt and family!
Was Jimmy Carroll spotted walking around the fence of Midway airport in his bathrobe and fluffy slippers while talking into a police scanner and barking orders?
Sounds like another 30 days in the foam padded rubber room!
Jimbo, let it go! Lt. isn't that bad!
Let me understand this. At 15 we are now able to charge them as an adult but they aren't old enough to understand what an attorney is?
This judge is opening a BIG CAN OF WORMS.
Lets go back to charging them as juvenile and screw all this adult shit!
Thats gotta suck; being murdered, and your last thoughts are that there will be no justice for ya!!
Your right SCC, he is an ass!!
OFF TOPIC:
But having a REMEMBERANCE MEET is mainly what St. JUDE is all about whether WE WALK or JUST CONGREGATE to have a PRAYER or two at the Memorial site.
THe respect and honor is still there we just don't walk past the YOU KNOW WHO's!!!!!!
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Anonymous said...
YOUR AN ASSHOLE FOR EVEN THINKING OF BOYCOTTING ST. JUDE.
4/08/2008 02:15:00 AM
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Here is an altternate idea, just asuggestion to see what the guys and gals really think.......
RATHER THAN MARCH
Why dont we have a mass or rememberance meeting at the memorial site and just congregate there for severl hours or so. Refuse to line up and refuse to march.
BUT BE DOWN THERE FOR THE FALLEN JUST DOING IT IN OUR OWN WAY!
Just an idea guaranteed not to get off the ground unless someone coordinates the movement.
TO SEE WHO's WHO and WHATS WHAT AND HONOR OUR DEPARTED IN A NON-POLITICAL FASHION!
4/08/2008 05:06:00 PM
Not sure what to think...........
Attorneys hanging out in branch court and grabbing defendants whose cases received a no probable cause disposition, inquiring if they are interested in filing a suit for false arrest against department and its members.
The writing has been on the wall for years. It's too bad that most will not read it. Wait an see how many more PO'S get stripped and indicted for BS. No one on this job cares if you clear all the crime and then get jammed up. JFED, since he will take heat for the increase in violent crime, will turn around and blame the PO'S. The only way it will get better is not to do anything other than answer your calls and write your case reports. You are not required to chase and fight offenders. Why get hurt and risk your safety or job for citizens who will testify against you in a second.?
For those you still want to be Super Cops...be careful.
The DOG ASS ERA is here......
Any selfrespecting, upstanding gangbanging, 15 year old drop out of school has watched television. Plus all their gangbanging, dope-dealing, jailhouse lawyer neighbors. I have even asked them, "Did you ever see them advise people of their rights on TV?". Usually they respond "yes" then I ask them if they can say them. Almost all can. I always read them anyway and document it.
I have been watching CLTV's special segments on the CPS students getting killed. Are the real issues examined....NO.
1. PEOPLE kill, not guns
2. Everyone is afraid to come foward and testify or talk with the police. Now adays, with the lack of witnesses, Felony Reveiew, Judges... it is easy to get away with murder here in Cook County.
The answer is easy.....The community needs to say NO and come foward. Will they... Absolutly not. Let the killing continue.
I've always thought as a good rule of thumb that if you have a real case you have to get the kid's parents in there to give permission. I am told by youth dics that the judge ALWAYS throw out confessions without the parents, even if a youth dic is present.
4/09/2008 01:36:00 AM
Don't admit ownership, thats what ASA's are denying charges for these days, "Sorry Officer, I know you caught him red handed but, since he didn't make a statement we are going to have to deny charges."
That goof in 018 was at a wedding and hit someone in the head with a bottle on video tape. What do you think they are going to do?
What ever happened to to judged deciding what's right and wrong. F*ck all this technicality bullshit, the kid admitted he murdered someone else! That's it! Throw him away. The only true justice now would be if b/c of this stupid judges rulings, the kid goes free and then kills one of the judges family members. Then maybe he'll finally realize the difference between right and wrong.
Why wasn't Cline fired for administrative violations back then? Did Fat Phil have a Rule 14 violation? How did he manage to testify at the Grand Jury pleading the Fifth Amendment and not take anytime for administrative rule violations?
If the City of Chicago thinks that they are going to walk away from some of the recent railroadings of innocent officers they have another thing coming.
Are you a retard? Using his constisional right at a trail is not a rule 14 violation. it doesn't override your right against self incrimimnation in a court of law. Stop thinkin so much retard,
I think the real question is, "Who wants to be the police anymore?" I say the hell with all of it. Back each other up and go home safe, stop being proactive, they (the brass,the politicians and ASA's) are looking to hang cops for anything. "Woof,Woof and damned proud of it!" It's called Self-preservation.
Every copper is a moron. If we were actually smart we wouldnt be doing this shitty job.Im tired of hearing everyone bitch about how the gun teams suck or how much we hate the tru unit, but in reality we should look at ourselves.We should stop bitching about this job because quite frankly there are other more crappy jobs out there. So everyone please do me a favor and shut the fuck up.
Thats some bullshit from this side of the table.......but the law is the law.
well, maybe now Mr. Holt can get his own street justice. Act like animals treat like animals.
4/09/2008 01:24:00 AM
I totally feel ya on that one.
********THIS COULD BE GOOD!!!********
It seems old ex-Alderman Troutman's gang leader of a man has walked into the FBI to turn himself in.
I am sure a deal could be worked out if he flips on her for all the dirty shit she was into, such as allegedly giving him info on police action against the BD's.
This is going to be fun!
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After 4 years on run, alleged gang leader turns himself in
Accused has been linked to former Ald. Troutman
By Jason Meisner | Tribune reporter
2:21 PM CDT, April 9, 2008
An alleged gang leader who has been linked to former Ald. Arenda Troutman (20th) was arrested on federal conspiracy charges after nearly four years on the run, the FBI announced Wednesday.
Donnell Jehan, 40, turned himself in to Chicago police Tuesday night and will appear before a U.S. magistrate at 2 p.m. at the Dirksen Federal Building, the FBI said. An alleged leader of the Black Disciples street gang, Jehan was one of 46 members and associates of the gang indicted in May 2004 on federal drug conspiracy charges.
Jehan, formerly of the 6500 block of South Ashland Avenue, was the subject of a nationwide manhunt led by the FBI's Chicago office and was featured on the TV show "America's Most Wanted."
He has been tied to Troutman, who was indicted last year on federal charges that she accepted bribes to smooth the way for a mixed-use development in her South Side ward.
Troutman has acknowledged that she knew Jehan as a businessman, but she has not said whether she had a personal relationship with him. But before he was charged in 2004, FBI agents spotted the alleged gang leader driving her luxury sports-utility vehicle.
So TRU is to get 10 hour days under a pilot program?
Before everyone else bitches, it is a steady Mon-Wed RDO.
Never seeing a weekend off again? I'd leave back to the districts if I was there.
Police fire shots at boy they say raised gun
THE BLOTTER
12:29 PM CDT, April 9, 2008
Chicago police officers fired shots at a 15-year-old boy who allegedly started to point a gun at them during a chase Wednesday morning on the West Side, but no one was hit, police said.
The incident occurred about 10 a.m. near 23rd Street and Millard Avenue, police said. The teen was suspected of selling drugs and was running from officers when he raised the gun toward them and they opened fire, police said.
The boy was not hit and did not fire back. He was arrested on the scene, and his gun was recovered. Charges were pending
In reference to Fat Phil taking the 5th. just ani't so, he took immunity and gave up the marquette 10, of which he and two other rats would have made it the marquette 13, a true rat bastard.
Dear Judge Toomin,
ARE YOU SMARTER THAN A FIFTH GRADER?
You guys are way off on this one. Nothing to do with the victim being from a police family. Judge Michael Toomin is a racist and wants blacks killing blacks. For him better yet, killing a brave young black man who displayed courage and a sense of morality. He wants the defendant back out there doing what Toomin would be doing himself 60 years ago in history. His kind of judge is well known. Child victims of color have never received any semblance of justice in Toomins' court. Check the records of his prior bull-shit rulings, I've been with the families of the victims during and after his reign of genocide.
Chicago and the entire Illinois Justice System is a crock!!! I'm going to Iowa where their system Rocks!!
Err...mmm!! I think I had to many beers...er? What are beers?
OFF TOPIC:
Hey does Mondo still have a tact team over in 019????
I hope the new Commander sees fit to replace his LAPA ass.
What a moron.
Can anyone name a LAPA merit hack worth a damn?????
Didn't think so...
OK, we all get it your pussy assed moron. You hate Carroll. Go away.
FYO Cline has never taken the "fifth" Saying it over and over again don't make it so.
Don't get too upset. This lil murdering dog will be probably be a a "student" homicide himself pretty soon.
I'm failing to see what's so hard about 'read the suspect his Mirandas before interrogation.'
There are 10-year-olds that would know that is part of the job.
total Homicides:98
district totals:
District
02 6
03 5
04 4
05 7
06 7
07 10
08 5
09 7
10 9
11 9
12 2
13 1
14 1
15 6
16 1
17 2
18 1
21 1
22 2
24 3
25 9
CPS students being killed? These are not CPS students. They are gangbangers and garbage.
Hey SCC,
Your the ass! Are not juveniles to be accompanied by a parent or lawyer before you question them? I guess as long as cops are breaking the law it is cool with you. No wonder there have been soooooo many scandals in the CPD. Lets see:
Marqueete 10
Austin 7
Gangs North
Joseph Miedzianowski
SOS
False confessions are serious but you will never admit it. Your such racists that every black or brown man you pick up must be guilty whether he did it or not. When a murder or a rape are reported, does the CPD care if they get the right guy, or will any youth of color fit the bill? Your disgusting. Your not what people want in their community. Please resign, do us all a favor.
In regards to Branch 38, I was told by the ASA that anything under .7 grams will have a finding of no pc... How about the other branch courts? I understand that one rockers and hypes are bs arrests but what about the dealing bangers?
Another problem I have is if we know this then they know it as well. These P.O.S. attorneys probably tell their dealing clients what they can get away with.
This job isn't worth it anymore!
Off topic but thought this was cute. My only child who is 7 yrs. old was signed up for T-Ball at the local park(the bride & I had to pay a 125.00 fee unlike some people who get it free.) Her coach called us and told us what team she was on and when her first practice would be. After I gave my daughter the good news she said, "Daddy when do I get my uniform?" I told my wife she sounded like Weis, after the stuttering little thief who calls himself the mayor for life, told him(Weis) you are now the new PSupt.The first thing out of J-Dick's mouth was,"When do I get my uniform?" Fuck mayor shitfuck and the soon to be Asst. Supt. Phlegger. Let's all chip in and get that "SILLY" white preacher who tries to sound black a CPD uniform. Fuck it! Get everyone who went to Springfield for the RALLY? a fucking CPD uniform. OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LORD HELP US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To: off topic, if required to blow, on or off duty, DEMAND a lawyer, and if off duty, a time-due slip.
LET THE KID OUT?
ITS CALLED KARMA, AN OFFICER MAY ONE DAY TELL HIM TO DROP THE GUN AND HE MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND.
PROBLEM SOLVED.
KABOOM!!!
HOLY SHIT. Why was a Federal Puppy sniffing the lockers last night in a northside district?(Hint it's not 17,19,20,24, or 25)
Personally I think Jody is on a witch hunt and will not rest until he is personally responsible for arresting a copper.
Make sure your lockers are EMPTY except for your uniforms boys and girls.
This is fact. Not a rumor.
Another reason not to do a f*cking thing folks.
Just another brick in the wall....
TO: "As Dicks" 4/09/2008 06:26:00 AM
IF you were ever a detective, you'd know that you have to read them their rights ANYWAY, and document that you did so. The video taping came as a result of the courts siding with the defendants who said that we DID NOT read them their rights
You are either an imposter or an A.S.A.
This was supposed to protect us. NOT!
anonymous said...
Who cares.
4/09/2008 12:58:00 AM
If you are a p.o. and you don't care about this, you are a total douche bag.
Off topic:
Why the hell was 020 in a RAP and PLAN-1 for one guy shot in the leg early Wed. morning? Come on...the whole fricking district down because one guy gets shot in the leg. Bad supervision? Do tell!!!
off topic:m copper gets in a fight in 018 on saturday night and has to admin blow even after the complainant backs out..... it aint worth it fellas..
4/09/2008 12:06:00 AM
WTF....is this true??
This Judge is a NITWIT!
Every 15 year old punk I've ever stopped, always utter "You'll be hearing from my lawyer" merely at my asking them their name, age, and where they live, when they are out after curfew.
So kiss my ass judge. These "pieces of dog shit" know what a lawyer is.
THE REAL QUESTION IS..DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT A judge IS?
I read in the Slum-times that the City CON-SELL just approved $1.5 million payout to the career hooker that the dipshit sgt had sex with. He got 20 years. She got 1.5 million. WHOO-HOO!
"I Just won the ghetto lottery!"
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If Daley gets approval for his children's museum in Grant Park, its time to leave Chicago. There will be no "rule of law" in Chicago, only Daley's law which is worse than martial law or shiria law!
I don't know the exact words used in the interrogation or Judge Toomin's ruling but I have testified at motion hearings numerous times. ALmost all of these hearings deal with evidence whether it is physical or statements. We go through each of these rights with the prosecutor and after we read each right we are asked if the defendant understood each right. This happens a hundred times a week at 26th St. and other outlying courts. All murder admissions should be taped and either the ked said yes or no if asked if he understook each right.
I have always thought that if we could prove that an asshole has been arrested a number of times and each most of those time was given the Miranda warnings they should not be nessessary each and every time. Judge Toomin is a very knowledgeble and fair judge. I'm sure the statement of this kid was not tossed out on a whim.
Michael Toomin is the type of judge that Mike Mette should have had, that Iowan case would not have lasted 5 minutes in his court.
As a juvenile being charged as an adult you are REQUIRED to advise the little fuckers taht they WILL be tried as an adult, that is the juvenile right that was NOT GIVEN.
In the Miranda ruling the State has the burden of proof to show that a person knowingly waived his rights. That's why you see all that extra stuff from your FOP book. It makes it easier for the State to show that the suspect knowingly waived his rights. In reality, officers only have to hit 4 things per Miranda. 1.) right to remain silent 2.) right not to self-incriminate 3.) right to an attorney and 4.) the State must supply an attorney if the suspect does not have the funds to afford an attorney. That's it.
It sounds like there were other factors involved also. As Dicks were going to have to eventually read the whole ruling to really grasp why he ruled the way he did.
Judge Toomin is considered to be a fair judge and has a lot of knowledge of the law. Both sides like him. Usually his rulings stand.
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And at what point does your comment apply counsel? Do we, as stupid police officers have to explain every word to the offender? (Oh, I'm sorry...Subject) "So, you do understand that remain means..."
"And, you know what self-incriminate means, right?"..."Let me explain the meaning of funds...you know when your momma goes out and comes back with two rocks of crack cocaine? That's funds from her blo#$^&* the guy in the Buick 4-door."
4/09/2008 12:37:00 AM
PLEASE don't compare Carroll to one of the Gena brothers. Everyone knows the Irish ain't that imaginative.
Thank you, Seiser said...
Anyone think we'll ever get to be the police again?
Like the ones that came on the job because they wanted to help people and make a difference?
4/09/2008 01:12:00 AM
Whay's the matter Seiser, can't handle the truth? You know how we coppers were 30 to 40 years ago.
In 012, we have a daily traffic money quota to meet.
If I had know you were going to cut the previous four or five opinions, I certainly would not have thank you.
Seiser is the sly one.
sounds like the offspring of the judge/his lawyer? any other reasonable explanation? 15 & not know what a lawyer is. but then again, look at out ada's.
We're done being the Real Police, sorry you Newbies w. less than 10 on, you missed it. It's not our fault though, it's the liberals [DemocRATS] politicians, lawers and candy-assed Judges and prosecutors here in Crook County. Just keep safe, call for backups, assists, additional equipment, etc; whatever it takes and as long as it takes to do the task at hand safely, and by the book, don't hurry for Anyone, do it right, don't get hurt or killed for this rinky-dink Liberal political circus.
GOD WILL BE THE FINAL JUDGE. BLESS THE HOLT FAMILY
not sure about this But isnt a 15 year old entitled to have his parent/guardian present?
Were they?? Just asking
4/09/2008 01:17:00 AM
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c'mon,
mama is probalby a crack-head and who knows who daddy is. Could have had a rev there though, how about it?
Toomin the "toon"
Go to work, write your paper and maybe a mover or parker when necessary, take lunch and two 15 minute personals, check off and go home safe to your family.
All the rest is B.S.!
Weis and the city are going to let you swing if you do work and some one beefs!
Amen Brother!
LOS ANGELES — Two teenage girls who attempted to rob a cab driver, slashing his face with a box cutter, were thrown from the taxi and killed in a wreck on Tuesday, police said.
The 50-year-old driver was taken to a hospital and released after receiving treatment for minor injuries, including cuts to his neck and face, Los Angeles Police Department spokeswoman Officer April Harding said. His name was not immediately released.
Two 17-year-old girls flagged down the cab at about 12:30 a.m. in eastern Los Angeles and asked to be taken to a nearby housing project, police said.
The girls were Alexous Ann Sandoval and Daisy Orozco, both Los Angeles residents, the coroner's office said.
4/09/2008 12:43:00 AM
???????????????????????????????????
Any chance that they were former CPS students???? Just axin.
off topic....BEWARE and FOREWARNED....DEA/ATF w/canine doing every locker room in 016 last night.
Anonymous said...
Just read sneeds sunday column,looks like airports have a problem! which sgt snitched on carroll? which sgt has an incredible amount of time on the books?
4/06/2008 12:18:00 AM
carroll's two chevroned buddies.
but that's enough of that.
A new problem will soon rear it's ugly head: one of these two sergants allowed po daril doneski to attend domestic court in uniform, on dept time, and with a dept vehicle.
And that's a no-no!
Please keep the Holt family in your thoughts and prayers. They are victims once again. All of those CRACK babies are gron up now. these are the ones doing all of the killing.
THE HOMICIDE DETECTIVES' PROVERB:
"There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and like it, never care for anything else thereafter." - Ernest Hemingway
i don't know all the facts of the case but i thought all cta buses have cameras in them. just show toomin the video of joe handing the gun off to the shooter. if not that what about the other 50 or so witnesses on the bus who saw everything. if a judges kid or asa's kid was gunned down i wonder if this would have happened.
Is it possible to get a little vote box on the side of your website???? A) 12 hour days. B) 10 hour days. C) 6 and 3. ??????? It would be interesting where the majority lies.
When will the outcry begin, when will the media shine the light on the judges who side with the criminals day in and day out. This is just 1 of many judges who release criminals back onto our streets every day. This guy should hook up with the lunatic in Br 38 who finds PC on 1 or 2 cases out of 50. Getting felony approvaal is hard enough. Even if you get it these judges say you lied and find no PC. What an outright MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE. Another crook county hack.
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Honestly, WHO GIVES A FUCK! Our job is done when the offender is in the lock up. FUCK THE JUSTICE SYSTEM! it is so corrupt anyway ... the good ole boy network, judges are lawyers with a black robe. they all have the old wink and nod bullshit going on. ASAs are full of shit, defense lawyers are full of shit...JUDGES are full of shit! Fuck them all!
Court is about one thing as far as I'm concerned...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
20 years of vaudville and a pension right?
OT, But you all should check out the below link involving a Captain of Police in San Francisco and his views on the one sided media in regards to an officers death while chasing a convicted Robbery suspect. You would never see this in Chicago.
http://mfile.akamai.com/12948/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0728/9591734.300k.asx
Hey SCC,
yes?
Your the ass!
do you mean "You're" as in "You are"? nice spelling dumbass
Are not juveniles to be accompanied by a parent or lawyer before you question them?
well according to one commentator, a parent was present. according to another, a youth detective was present, which under state law is an appropriate substitute. regardless, if there was no malicious intent on the part of the police, the confession ought to be allowed
I guess as long as cops are breaking the law it is cool with you.
um...ass sphincter says what? where did we say or advocate anything like that?
No wonder there have been soooooo many scandals in the CPD. Lets see:
Marqueete 10
Austin 7
Gangs North
Joseph Miedzianowski
SOS
well, let's see those scandals again:
Marquette 10 (cops sticking up dope dealers)
Austin 7(cops sticking up dope dealers)
Gangs North(cops sticking up dope dealers)
Joseph Miedzianowski(cops sticking up dope dealers)
SOS(cops sticking up dope dealers)
yeah, that sure has a LOT to do with a judge making an arbitrary decision about a 15 year old who's been to court a number of times not knowing what an attorney was. spare us.
False confessions are serious but you will never admit it.
what false confession? no one, not even the ignorant media, is calling this a "false confession." stop drinking the bong water you goof
Your such racists that every black or brown man you pick up must be guilty whether he did it or not.
once again, "you are = you're" dumbass. and again, where have we suggested or intimated sweeping the streets of black or brown men? You're (you are) a fucking idiot
When a murder or a rape are reported, does the CPD care if they get the right guy, or will any youth of color fit the bill?
the guilty party will fit the bill. and the guilty party has to be interviewed by detectives, state's attorneys, identified by victims (mostly victims of color by the way) and finally appear before a judge not once or twice, but at probable cause hearings, preliminary hearings, motion hearings, evidential proceedings and finally a trial, many times with a jury containing people of color.
Your disgusting.
so's your use of the English language
Your not what people want in their community.
again dumbass, it's "you're." try to get it correct. and we don't really give a fuck where you want us to be. we're where we want to be for us, not for you. you're (you are) not going to change that.
Please resign, do us all a favor.
please kill yourself and do the human race a favor.
5;18 PM GO FUCK YOURSELF
, Anonymous said...
Hey SCC,
Your the ass! Are not juveniles to be accompanied by a parent or lawyer before you question them? I guess as long as cops are breaking the law it is cool with you. No wonder there have been soooooo many scandals in the CPD. Lets see:
Marqueete 10
Austin 7
Gangs North
Joseph Miedzianowski
SOS
False confessions are serious but you will never admit it. Your such racists that every black or brown man you pick up must be guilty whether he did it or not. When a murder or a rape are reported, does the CPD care if they get the right guy, or will any youth of color fit the bill? Your disgusting. Your not what people want in their community. Please resign, do us all a favor.
4/09/2008 05:18:00 PM
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If a youth is under 13 yoa he must have counsel for a crime like homicide. If he, or she, is 13 or over then they SHOULD have a parent or legal guardian there during questioning. (Play aunts, uncles and reverends do not count) If the parent can not be reached or does not want to be involved, which happens far more than you may think, then a youth officer has to sit in for the statement.
I will not respond to your racist remarks except to say if you are looking for a racist try the bathroom mirror.
Re: The ASSHAT who posted this:
Hey SCC,
Your the ass! Are not juveniles to be accompanied by a parent or lawyer before you question them? I guess as long as cops are breaking the law it is cool with you. No wonder there have been soooooo many scandals in the CPD. Lets see:
Marqueete 10
Austin 7
Gangs North
Joseph Miedzianowski
SOS
False confessions are serious but you will never admit it. Your such racists that every black or brown man you pick up must be guilty whether he did it or not. When a murder or a rape are reported, does the CPD care if they get the right guy, or will any youth of color fit the bill? Your disgusting. Your not what people want in their community. Please resign, do us all a favor.
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A juvenile can be question in front of either the parent or a YOUTH OFFICER when a parentis not available.
A LAWYER IS NOT MENTIONED ANYWHERE ASSHAT!
And if the kids is black, brown, yellow, white or a mixture of the fucking rainbow, he handed the KILLER THE GUN AND A HOODED SWEATSHIRT JUST PRIOR TO THE SHOOTING!
So fuck you and your I am black and your all racists! BULLSHIT TROLLING!
Hey if you don't like the fact that EACH AND EVERY CPS STUDENT KILLED THIS YEAR is EITHER BLACK or HISPANIC and were KILLED BY BLACK OR HISPANIC... how about helping your fellow black people stop the killing and QUIT BLAMING IT ON THE WHITE COPS asshat!
This piece of shit asshole juvenile helped killed a fellow cop's son and a female firefighter's son! I consider the victim BLUE like our uniform and his color is NON-MATERIAL to me!
That is such a big problem on this job. So many BLACK OFFICERS thinking the WHITE COPS are bad because we actual go out and solve crimes and yes we have to arrest BLACK PEOPLE! But I will be just as quick to lock up a fellow white guy who had anything to do with a killing especially a child killing as I would ANY other color, ASSHAT!
I included my e-mail, in case you have something to say!
Great response scc. your (???) great!
Your not what people want in their community......
We woud not have to be in your community if you raised your rat bastard children right, instead of letting them run the street as soon as they can walk.
Don't admit ownership, thats what ASA's are denying charges for these days, "Sorry Officer, I know you caught him red handed but, since he didn't make a statement we are going to have to deny charges."
4/09/2008 01:11:00 PM
What felony requires the defendant to admit ownership that you are having a hard time getting approved?
And wtf does that have to do with Toomin's ruling? Are you really taking this chance to bag on felony review for approving charges?
ONCE AGAIN WHEN ONE CAN'T DEFEND THE TRUE FACTS THEY SCREAM RACISM!
DUDE, YOUR A TROLL, YOUR A PLIGHT ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND USUALLY COPS LIKE YOU ARE DOGASSES WHO DON'T DO ANYTHING AND FEEL LIKE "THE MAN" IS THE BAD GUY!
YOUR A RACE BAITING TROLL AND A BIG JACKASS!
AWWWWWWWWW POOR KIDS, HELPS MURDER A KID AND ITS ALL BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!
YOUR NOT A COP, YOUR A JERK!
i don't know all the facts of the case but i thought all cta buses have cameras in them. just show toomin the video of joe handing the gun off to the shooter. if not that what about the other 50 or so witnesses on the bus who saw everything. if a judges kid or asa's kid was gunned down i wonder if this would have happened.
4/09/2008 10:26:00 PM
No they do not. Not even the el stations have cameras.
We are required by law to advise the subject prior to beginning any interrogation of his rights, and you must document such. We are required by law to make sure the subject clearly understood his rights, and you must document such.
Some like to read each right and immediately ask the subject if he understood that right.
4/09/2008 05:05:00 AM
Its on VIDEO....how much more documenation do we need to have for these frickin judges
4/09/2008 11:19:00 AM
Sorry I wasn't clear. I meant officers should get in the practice of advising and documenting for all crimes.
off topic:m copper gets in a fight in 018 on saturday night and has to admin blow even after the complianant backs out..... it aint worth it fellas..
4/09/2008 12:06:00 AM
You're right it ain't worth it.
I only go out to certain private and family functions. Even then I have to admit I'm nervous as hell. It sucks but that's the way it is for now. ........
Tee hee. The drunken copper was at a family wedding. Thats who turned his ass in. And recanted after he got toted away in cuffs.
Whatever happened to; "Ignorance of the Law is not an excuse.?"
Ah yes the judges...
Years ago me and my partner "EL Mac" responded to a call of youhts blocking the street.(007)
Upon our arrival we observed two shitbirds(about12-14yrs)standing in the middle of the street.
We grab em and one shitbird has a 32 revolver(u dont see that often!) in his pocket.
I testify in court and I stated the wrong street I was involved in the chase on.(Juvy CT.)
Even though we were in the right. Even though we recovered the pistol on him. I was ohhhh so wrong
Charges dropped. The defense attorny apologized,(he caught my stating the wrong street). The state says "we cant believe it." The court stenographer says,"Holy crap!" The Bailiff says"Thats unreal." The judge Stralka(SP?) states he belives me ,but I messed up on my testimony.
I say, "Fuck it." Everyone in the room knows I was not lying.
That judges name is Stralka(SP?) U may know him as the judge who asks"Whats ur favorite subject in school?"
It has always been this bad men. What we need to do is stick togehter.
Stay blue pony boy
Off topic...................How come no one on this blog talks about J-fed's involvemnt in the Airheart shooting. Maybe the media should look into this!
Off topic:
Why the hell was 020 in a RAP and PLAN-1 for one guy shot in the leg early Wed. morning? Come on...the whole fricking district down because one guy gets shot in the leg. Bad supervision? Do tell!!!
4/09/2008 07:36:00 PM
you got it right. bad supervision is the correct answer. probably some of the worst supervisors over there.
Ref:Question: I know if you are detailed they can send you back to your original district, but, contractually, can they send you to another district?
That doesn't sound right.
They can detail you anywhere for 90 days...
NOTE, prople were out in 006,008 and 010 checking office space, the radio rooms and asking if there was additional parking for 80 cars..
TRU is coming into the districts....
In reference to Fat Phil taking the 5th. just ani't so, he took immunity and gave up the marquette 10, of which he and two other rats would have made it the marquette 13, a true rat bastard.
4/09/2008 03:11:00 PM
The above post was made by a total Fuckin' MORON ! You know nothing about it if you say that shit. If you only really knew what happened . You would kiss Phil's feet. Marquette 13 , my ass. had Webb known he could have brought that many liberal suburanites into the jury it would have been the Marquette 20 or more . It really pisses me off that you people who were not there interject all this "BULLSHIT" into the game when you were not part of it . So MORON ,
You can go home and get your fuckin' shine box as you are the Blog's BIGGEST tiny brained little fuckwad. Choke on your vile , prick !
Officers, please be careful what you post. It should be clear to everyone that ANYONE can read and post to this blog, it is NOT private and police only.
Regular citizens read and post and so do lawyers and god knows who else.
Be careful and discreet. There are so many reasons to take this thing private and law enforcement only.
The stuff that gets posted has a negative effect on us all. This is NOT the place where police should vent, unless your idea of venting is to stand on a busy street-corner and scream about what goes on in police stations to every anonymous citizen who happens by.
Word has gotten out, want to get dirt of cops, come to SCC.
anonymous said...
Is it possible to get a little vote box on the side of your website???? A) 12 hour days. B) 10 hour days. C) 6 and 3. ??????? It would be interesting where the majority lies.
4/09/2008 10:34:00 PM
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4 and 2 has same amount of work days per year as does 6 and 3. 4 and 2 would be much preferred but no one has mentioned it, I ran the schedule for a year, it has IDENTICAL work days in a year as 6 and 3 and would require same adjustments with give back days to City etc. I go with 4 and 2.
With 6 and 3 you still work 6 in a row, isn't that what we want to eliminate? with 6 and 3 many guys will just use the extra days off to work more side jobs, not take more time off.
As for myself, whatever they agree on is OK. I am looking at all my days off and no work days in a few years so it won't effect me that much.
Screw 6 work days in a row, no matter what, 4 and 2 would keep you healthier and give most officers more opportunity to work out and get in Jody shape.
maybe this could have been avoided if Maas had followed the rules/law and had a det. from SVU sit in on the interview but maas knows best.
4/09/2008 12:01:00 PM
You are an ass*ole, my friend. You write as if you know something about this case but you don't know sh*t. Typical. Mom was present during the interviews and Miranda rights. They both heard the rights 3 separate times and it was only during the last time when the ASA gave the rights that the rat's wheels started turning in his brain and he asked "what's an attorney?" So before you start talking shit about someone maybe you should know what your talking about.
always vote no for all retentions. Fuck these judges.
And alot of good it does...have yet to see one voted out......
It cannot be concluded that he really knew what an attorney was,” Toomin said
How many times had this person been arrested prior to this? If he has had even one court case you can bet the mutt knows what an attorney is..........
QUICK HIT
DONT THINK JUST THE DICKS ON THE HOOK!
YOU HAVE THE ARRESTING OFFICER WHO ALWAYS PUT IN THEIR REPORT MIRANDA GIVEN.
THE ARRESTING OFFICER SGT.
THE DICKS SGT WHO DIDNT MAKE SURE THE KID HAS COUNSEL OR NOTIFIED THE PARENTS 2 BE IN THE INTERVIEW ROOM.
NOW YOU KNOW WHY THE AAS ASK WHAT GRADE DID THE KID FINISH AND IF THEY SPEAK ENGLISH. MY FAVORITE IS DO YOU KNOW WHAT LYING IS.
to:
We do it all the time in A/4 ('cause momma won't leave her 3 month old baby with the other kids (who might stuff it in the garbage can while she's gone) or grandma is too sick and old to come in.
4/09/2008 10:07:00 AM
For the po-po mammy won't come in.
For a joint and a 40 mammy will leave the kid in the closet and hit the flop with home-boy.
Off topic:
Why the hell was 020 in a RAP and PLAN-1 for one guy shot in the leg early Wed. morning? Come on...the whole fricking district down because one guy gets shot in the leg. Bad supervision? Do tell!!!
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Last year in 003 on midnights (October 12) i believe we had 3 people shot that night and we didn't even go into a rap. we did have sgts guarding the crime scenes though
There was no Det. from SVU in for the interview the det. fucked up. So the admission is out, the video is what makes this case if it shows the kid handing the gun to the shooter. other wise the det made a mistake in a heater case with the preessure on and will have to live with that. The shooter is till going down this kid just handed the gu to the shooter
There is a labor law ...
http://www.state.il.us/agency/idol/laws/Law55.htm
Right to Privacy in the Workplace Act
Prohibits any individual from refusing to hire, terminate employment, or otherwise disadvantage any person because he or she uses alcohol and/or tobacco away from the job site on non-working time.
4/09/2008 12:15:00 PM
Thanks for the lesson.
However, your not being gigged for using alcohol, your being gigged for bringing discredit to the dept.
The cause of this is our actions resulting from the use of alcohol.
off topic:m copper gets in a fight in 018 on saturday night and has to admin blow even after the complianant backs out..... it aint worth it fellas..
4/09/2008 12:06:00 AM
Looks like there's a new opening in fugitive apprehension...
to:
total Homicides:98
district totals:
All 25 district commanders should dress up in different colored
Grim Reaper costumes. Then they will race at Solider Field to determine
which district will have the most murders. You know, like the sausages at the baseball game.
That is such a big problem on this job. So many BLACK OFFICERS thinking the WHITE COPS are bad because we actual go out and solve crimes and yes we have to arrest BLACK PEOPLE! But I will be just as quick to lock up a fellow white guy who had anything to do with a killing especially a child killing as I would ANY other color, ASSHAT!
I included my e-mail, in case you have something to say!
4/10/2008 12:00:00 AM
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Nicely done, except all the asshat stuff its old.
"Didn't understand Miranda" What part of "remain silent" is too complicated for you to understand.
Sounds to me like we need an "Operation Greylord II".
Can anyone say "Motion To Fix?"
The Crook County Courts are as legit as:
#1: Our promotion process
#2: Roller Derby
#3: Pro wrestling
That is such a big problem on this job. So many BLACK OFFICERS thinking the WHITE COPS are bad because we actual go out and solve crimes and yes we have to arrest BLACK PEOPLE! But I will be just as quick to lock up a fellow white guy who had anything to do with a killing especially a child killing as I would ANY other color, ASSHAT!
I included my e-mail, in case you have something to say!
4/10/2008 12:00:00 AM
Solving crimes has nothing to do with the perception of white officers. You should take a close look at the HIGH level of disrespect displayed by white officers to coworkers and anyone else that isn't white. Think what you want but it's obvious "were all blue" is a myth. All you have to do is read what's posted on this board. Once again there is not unity, period! White offices (not all) but a majority have drawn a line between themselves and others. You can use the standard line of "thug cops" or "the black officers are dogs". Realize the door swings both ways there are "thugs and Dogs" among white officers also.
Anonymous said...
off topic:m copper gets in a fight in 018 on saturday night and has to admin blow even after the complianant backs out..... it aint worth it fellas..
4/09/2008 12:06:00 AM
Looks like there's a new opening in fugitive apprehension...
4/10/2008 09:05:00 AM
How about sending all the clout babies to districts another "hidden unit?"
Wuts a uh-tourney, office?
Please resign, do us all a favor.
please kill yourself and do the human race a favor.
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That was a good one SCC!!!!! I pissed in my pants laughing!!!!!
So he threw out the confession? I have a couple of comments:
#1 some said the state has the burden of proving the shithead understood his Miranda warnings. That’s fine if that’s the law (I’ll assume the poster was correct). How to we prove this? I’ve taken many confessions after giving Miranda. My only ‘proof’ that the shithead understood them was that he SAID he understood them. What am to do beyond that? Should I do a lineup which includes a picture of an attorney .. a doctor … a fireman? Which one’s the lawyer kid? What is the lawyer’s job description? The kid was not drooling on himself, your honor, so I assumed when he said he knew what an attorney was … he knew what an attorney was.
#2 Youth Dic present at interview. A youth dic is not good enough. They are almost useless ( no offense – let me explain). The youth dic is supposed to look out for the juvenile’s BEST INTEREST. They are not taking on the role of a Det. That means they should tell the shithead to SHUT THE FUCK UP. That’s why, as I understand it … you NEED a parent there. (I know – sometime’s it’s impossible – I don’t know how to answer that).
#3 Someone said the confession was on tape. I don’t know if this is accurate or not. The Dept rules/state law mandate turning on the camera for murders. I guess the dics should have spent a good hour making it clear on tape that shithead knew what a lawyer was/ what his rights meant. I am guessing the dic read the Miranda warnings on tape. I am also guessing the shithead answered ‘yes’ when asked whether he understood his rights. What else? What else could the judge want? Give him an IQ test? Is it the presumption that juveniles do NOT understand (that may be the case – and as a general rule it may be legitimate), but the 15-16 year olds can be charged as adults, so if their parents are present, they can waive the right (meaning the parents) …. That don’t seem right … if the shithead is old enough to be punished as an adult, then how in the hell can their parent waive the right? It doesn’t jive. It just doesn’t jive. If the presumption is that they are too stupid to waive their Miranda rights – then don’t punish them as an adult. Leave it in juvenile court.
#4 We, as a Dept. gotta learn from this shit, instead of just getting pissed at the Judge in some knee-jerk fashion. He may be wrong, I don’t know, but what I DO KNOW is that I personally, will make very clear, in non-bullshit cases, in my GPR that the shithead (juvenile or adult) understand his waiver. I guess we have to make our GPR’s almost silly now: Are you really really REALLY sure you know your rights? You’re not just saying that are you? OK, if you know them so well then stand on one foot, hop up and down, and explain them to me.
#5 If the simple act of reading a shithead Miranda, getting a “Yes, I understand and want to speak,” is not good enough, then the Dept. should issue a training bulletin …or one of those legal advisor things. If the defense attorney can simply argue “Your honor, my client is a Public school moron, he didn’t understand his rights,” and get the confession thrown out, then …we need more information.
#6. You think Jody will take interest in getting us this training? I think Phil Cline would have (because he was a cop for his entire life – whether you loved him or hated him is irrelevant). Jody probably is NOT EVEN AWARE of the ruling. He's probably just finished shaving his chest and is enroute to the tanning salon.
#7 someone said we should read the Judge’s ruling. Trial court stuff is not published like appellate court rulings as a general rule. Is it?
Rant over -
I only go out to certain private and family functions. Even then I have to admit I'm nervous as hell. It sucks but that's the way it is for now. Until this blows over, I'll stay out of the taverns. It's easy for me to say this because I have two small children and low funds anyways, but even if I was a young single copper, I'd be taking it easy for sure.
Stay local, don't drive, and be aware of cameras in bars.
**I don't go out drinking either but what happens when you are outside & have that family BBQ & it's a little too loud for your neighbors liking and they call the police??? You're going to be ordered to blow. They can't come into your house but what if you are outside with friends or family? They gonna come flipping your fence?? This is FUCKING CRAZY! You are grounded by the department and have to stay inside your house ... I have now become a "closet" drinker.
To: off topic, if required to blow, on or off duty, DEMAND a lawyer, and if off duty, a time-due slip.
**You are not entitled to a lawyer for the "blow".
to 0751 am
No you dont know shit the first interview check the tape No mom no det. from svu just maas and a dick from fugitive aprehension. niether acting as youth ofc. Now read the ruling and why the judge threw it out. A fuck up learn from the mistake and move on dont pretend it didnt happen.
OFF TOPIC:
Hey does Mondo still have a tact team over in 019????
I hope the new Commander sees fit to replace his LAPA ass.
What a moron.
Can anyone name a LAPA merit hack worth a damn?????
Didn't think so...
You cant even compare this worthless moron to anyone else. He is the most incompetent ppo I've ever met.
Anonymous said...
"Didn't understand Miranda" What part of "remain silent" is too complicated for you to understand.
Sounds to me like we need an "Operation Greylord II".
Can anyone say "Motion To Fix?"
The Crook County Courts are as legit as:
#1: Our promotion process
#2: Roller Derby
#3: Pro wrestling
4/10/2008 10:11:00 AM
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What are you trying to say about pro wrestling?
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
For all you ill-informed "go-getters" I have had many murder trials in front of Judge Toomin and I can honestly say he is one of the best judges at 26th street, and he is not a police hater. The detectives in this case fucked up...the JUVENILE had no one (parent, youth officer) present when he gave the statement. Had they put a dumbfuck youth detective in the room the confession would have more than likely been admitted. What you know-it-alls don't know is Toomin knew the appellate court would have overturned him if he allowed the statement into evidence. Before you start calling judges assholes learn the law and rules of evidence.
To Rant Over,
You bring up some good points. There is case law already that the courts have ruled that if a suspect answers he understands his rights and continues the interview with the Dick, that is enough to show that he knowingly waived.
I talked to a couple of ASAs today and they told me that one problem was that the mother was on tape asking the Dick about a PD and the answer hurt us.
We all know that the way things are now we have to take that extra step with juveniles.
There are some Dicks that have brought up their concerns about what can and can't be done and the bosses are aware of it. Hopefully there will be some type of guidance soon.
Hey Toomin, when this kid turns around and does another violent crime or murder (stats say he will), are you going to be able to sleep at night. I hope not! Way to go bonehead.
Starbucks complains---
"Why was 020 in a Plan 1 and RAP...?"
We were lonely in the shop.
"There are some Dicks that have brought up their concerns about what can and can't be done and the bosses are aware of it. Hopefully there will be some type of guidance soon"
What was the rush in the 1st place?
Wait for the Mom to arrive, then question him, or if she's unavailable, document it&have a Youth Officer present for questioning. Det.s have been coming out Youth qualified since 02shouldn't be too hard finding one on the floor..
Guess we haven't learned from the Ryan Harris case& continue to step on our dicks.
"Had they put a dumbfuck youth detective in the room the confession would have more than likely been admitted."
Spoken like a true PUNK BITCH. Youth Detectives have probably forgotten more than you'll ever learn.The only Dumbfuck is the degenerate who fathered you!
Think about it. When criminals run government. What else do you expcet them to produce?
I don't know what Maas' role was in this investigation, but he's been a fucking idiot for the past 25 years. Lucky to still have the job with all the bullshit he got away with in his career. What an ASSHAT.
You should take a close look at the HIGH level of disrespect displayed by white officers to coworkers and anyone else that isn't white.
Please enlighten us with some examples of this....most white officers I know go out of their way to be polite to black officers.. if anything its the other way around.....rude black officers( especially the women) trying to intimidate white officers with their loud mouths and aggressive behavior..yeah you know who you are...hispanic officers speaking spanish in front of their white co workers and then saying "hey we were talking about you bro......."Please you are so full of shit.......
MR. HOMICIDE PROVERB,
Most Dets. in a Homicide Unit don't work on homicides. couldn't find their ass with both hands and are bullshit artist.
What a bunch of crap. "The hunting of man" What they hunt is yellow O.T. slips and Sgt. to sign it. You want to find a good Det. look for a burglary det. If he is good he can handle any type of investigation. All young Dets. want to be Homicide dets. Hell there aren't enough murders to go around.
It can't be reversed by the Appellate court if they lose the case.
Only convictions can be overturned.
Odds are they'll have to drop the charges now.
4/09/2008 07:56:00 AM
Not true. The State can appeal the court's ruling on a motion; they cannot appeal a "not guilty" verdict.
With all due respect to those involved....looks like we didn't do all that we should have. Hopefully, the Dets. learned from this episode, so that incidents like this won't have to cleaned up in public, or in the courts. And don't blast Toomin, he's been overall a very decent judge for many years. We've been very fortunate as a Police Dept. Our gaffes have, for the most part, been few and far between, if you don't count the past two years.
We've sat back and learned from embarrasing public failures from LAPD, Cincinnati PD, and others. Now, it continues to be "our turn" in the bucket...bottom line is, we have to do a better job, and not cut corners. Training is still, and has been, a major issue.
Whoever the supervisor was , he/she screwed it up. Their should have been a Youth Dick present. Most officers in patrol know that.
To all you Clarence Darrow wannabes...Toomin DID NOT FIND THE STATEMENT TO BE INVOLUNTARY...he found the statement to be VOLUNTARY, but faulty under Miranda, meaning the kid's statement cannot be used against him (he supplied the gun used in the homicide), but IT CAN AND WILL BE USED against the guy who actually pulled the trigger. What Toomin essentially did was ensure that the kid's statement is used in the trial against the other asshole. If this kid flips on the stand or starts to backtrack then the ASAs can and will play the video-taped statement and use it against the shooter. It may STING a little, but Toomin did the right thing. He could have found the statement INVOLUNTARY and faulty under Miranda, but he essentially made the case better against the shooter.
And to the guy bashing homicide detectives-Cops like you make me sick. You don't know what you're talking about and probably haven't spent an hour in court in your pathetic life. I know where I can always find cops like you-at the bar telling war stories you never participated in and bashing all the cops who do the job.
Maas has been a dick a long time now. I'm not buying that he fucked this up. He's a easy target everytime something screws up in A/2. He'd do anything for another cop or his family which is more than I can say for some.
Have to agree with the poster who complained about lack of respect to bosses who aren't white. Been monitoring the posters of "best bosses," and none of those named were black or hispanic, or even female. I've worked for good bosses in all three catagories, and I've noticed that all the black bosses I've ever worked for have bent over backwards to be fair. Can't say that about a lot of other bosses I've worked for, and I'm white, male, with over 20 years on. I guess that's why the Dept. to this day doesn't have any black or hispanic Capts. in any of the North side districts. The job may have changed, but Chicago hasn't.
To the poster of:
Maas has been a dick a long time now. I'm not buying that he fucked this up. He's a easy target everytime something screws up in A/2. He'd do anything for another cop or his family which is more than I can say for some.
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I completely agree. Maybe Maas made a mistake maybe not. But he is a real cop who works hard and has his heart in the right place. I have known him and worked with the man for over 15 years. All the Monday morning quarterbacks who are willing to start blaming everyone else when something goes wrong can go straight to hell.
An ASA
I don't know what Maas' role was in this investigation, but he's been a fucking idiot for the past 25 years. Lucky to still have the job with all the bullshit he got away with in his career. What an ASSHAT.
4/11/2008 07:43:00 AM
And who or what are you ...the fucking gold standard for the police department?
Please enlighten us with some examples of this....most white officers I know go out of their way to be polite to black officers.. if anything its the other way around.....rude black officers( especially the women) trying to intimidate white officers with their loud mouths and aggressive behavior..yeah you know who you are...hispanic officers speaking spanish in front of their white co workers and then saying "hey we were talking about you bro......."Please you are so full of shit.......
4/11/2008 09:22:00 AM
Let me guess you work for FOX news! You took a small part of what was posted and ran with it! If what was posted didn't apply to you then quit bitching! The post included not ALL white officers. You got all sensitive, must have hit a nerve! BITCH!
Let me guess you work for FOX news! You took a small part of what was posted and ran with it! If what was posted didn't apply to you then quit bitching! The post included not ALL white officers. You got all sensitive, must have hit a nerve! BITCH!
"You should take a close look at the HIGH level of disrespect displayed by white officers to coworkers and anyone else that isn't white."
And you must be fucking dyslexic...where does it say "Not all White Officers?" Race baiting ignorant moron
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