Disgraceful
In the "Fired for Sit Ups?" posting, there's a lively give and take about a family that lost one son in the line of duty and another son's job to a series of bureaucratic snafus and inflexibility:
- How about being fired for failing to list all police jobs you applied for prior to Chicago? My son, with 10 years prior police experience on the street, inadvertently left off 2 after he ran out of room on the employment app for Chicago. Completes the Academy has an ex girlfriend put in a bogus complaint, which he was cleared but IAD comes up with lying on the Employment application. Strip him of police powers and say he's a liability to the City. Guess they forgot about the burning building he ran into to evacuate or the Tech 9 he took off the street, wasn't a liability then. City waits 45 days and then fires him. Here's whats heart breaking for my family. His brother gave his life in the line of duty for Chicago. All those high ranking officers who said if there's anything I can do, call me. Or the Aldermen who said call me, well I did, no one helped and most never returned my calls. Now I have one son who died for the City and the other the City disgraced. Thank You Chicago PD. There are those in the Department that did stay close to us and to those men and women, most of whom are the street cops, thank you for all your support.
This deserves some sort of second look, but the City's fall back position will always be the "at-will" phrase. It looks like someone decided that defending baseless accusations had too high a price tag, even if it's the recruit himself bringing the situation to the attention of the Department, which, as most cops know, is par for the course when dealing with City attorneys whose only instruction is to "settle as quickly as possible for the least amount of money." Anything that goes to trial is a loser as far as well can tell because the City doesn't keep even one decent lawyer (sorry for the oxymoron) around to win nuisance suits.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
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The city subcontracts almost all of its heavy litigation to private law firms that are big contributors to the Democratic Party. When they have a hardon for someone they bring in their topguns. This has been the case for quite sometime.
The court system in Crook County is an extension of the Democratic Party too. The "Machine" still exerts almost 100% control over any litigation or criminal case brought into the Crook County Court system.
Anyone who thinks differently is either soft or completely naieve to the "Chicago Reality".
The jury system and the Federal courts are a better bet for litigation. The Federal Judges are also beholden to their masters for their lifetime appointments too.
Hety J-Fed what about this? If you do not know it your dept is a shambles now this bullshit! Do you care?
As a long time chicago police officer I am embarrassed and sadened by this story. The basis for this job and the common theme was and is to take care of eachother. I think it is completly disgusting what has been done.
This department has always prided itself on honoring the fallen and has always made it a great point to take care of the family and loved ones of our fallen. The exempts should have faught tooth and nail to make this right. Some D/C or ADS has to be reading this. Please, do the right thing and make this right. I know the department has changed, but if the system has to go back to the old days for one thing to get accomplished, please let it be for this to be right. In 26 years on the cpd i have never said it, But this truly is a sad day to be a chicago police officer. I have never felt this horrible and embarrassed than I do after hearing this story....and there have been some major scandals in my time...but this one is on a completly different level. This is about disregarding a fallen officer and a sacred tradition of keeping there memory alive and doing right.
It shows that nobody will go to bat for anyone these days. That kid lost his life for this department and not one boss can stand up and say that this is not right. We need to honor mike's family and do something good. We need to let Mike know that we truly will look out for his family and loved ones as he looked out for us on the street when he was riding on jobs or backing us up before he passed.... where is mikes back up?? anyone????
WTF,has this city and the CPD come to these days???
That is all I want to know...
I hope the Gordon family sticks it in the ass of Chicago and breaks it off.
I worked with BG at the last department that he was at. Even though he wasnt there for very long before getting hired in the city, he seemed lke a good guy. Hope it all works out for him because both he and his family deserve better.
"Disgraceful" How bout answering your calls(in this case off-duty SGT)and your stripped because you did answer your call? Now thats disgraceful!!
What happened there in the ol' fighten 19????????
If this is true it is a disgrace.
The motorist only came to a halt after the policeman on the roof fired eight rounds from his pistol, police in the Khabarovsk region, on Russia's Pacific coast, said in a statement. His supervisor asked him to do a TRR and he replied, " In Russia we only do TRR when offender is dead. Sometimes we go home and do TRR the next day " In the last Russian lawsuit the victim's family was awarded a bottle of vodka.
this shit is got to stop. they should post how much money the city spends on firing recruits for stupid reasons. they have no heart they are evil.
I was detailed to your sons wake.Citizens showed up that didn't even know your son.A couple told me they saw it on the news and felt they had to be there.The turnout was amazing.Back then people loved the police for the job we did.I for one am sorry for the way your family is being treated by the people I work for.This city/department is an embarassment......I'M SORRY.
Keep in mind that's his version of what had occurred or was told to him by his kid for that matter. Not defedning the shitty but there's two sides to every story.
We can be too apt to give automatic credence sometimes...
I know the story and read this and this city is in the wrong. I'll back you a 100%, but the way this city is now #$#$ it. 8 hours a day, rdo's answer calls do the very least. lets all put a stop order on this
STOP WORKING
STOP WORKING
STOP WORKING
GET YOUR 1.5% PAY RAISE
OH YEAH WE HAVE TO PAY .75% INCREASSE FOR MEDICAL INSURANCE, WHILE O'BAMA WILL HAND IT OUT
STOP WORKING
STOP WORKING
WATCH HOMICIDES GO OUT THE ROOF.
IF YOU WORK, SEE WHAT HAPPENS, THE CITY WILL GIVE YOU A "THAT A BOY" HOPEFULLY.
AND FORGET ABOUT ALL THE GOOD YOU HAVE DONE.. JUST TO SAY,,,,LOOK I FIRED THAT PERSON FOR THIS REASON.....
AND FINALLY IF WE BAND TOGETHER, LIKE I HEARD THE PO'S DID IN THE EARLY 80', WE CAN FUCK THE CITY.
LET TRY AND DO IT STARTING MONDAY THE 23RD, NO MOVER, NO PARKERS, NO IMPOUNDS, GANG/TACT ONLY CONTACT CARDS PLEASE. NO NICKEL/DIME ARREST. OH YEAH NO ANOVS
VERY SURPRISED ABOUT THIS, THE ONLY THING I CAN SEE IS THAT JODI OR DICK ARE NOT ON YOUR TOP LIST. THIS DEPARTMENT HAS GONE FROM GOOD TO OKAY TO SHIT.
ALL CAUSE DALEY WANTS THE OLYMPICS, HEY DICK GREAT SPEECH AT NORTHWESTERN. THEY SHOULD OF INTERVIEWED SOMEONE THAT ACTUALLY PAID FOR THEIR DEGREE, AND ASKED HIM/HER WHAT THEY THOUGHT.
sorry, to hear that. But you cannot ttrust what bosses and politicians say.
Officials support Carrasquillo's efforts By Charles ThomasCHICAGO (WLS) -- A man who killed a patrolman in 1976 has applied for parole, pitting officers against officials in his quest for freedom.
Ronnie Carrasquillo was sentenced to between 200 and 600 years in prison for killing Patrolman Terrence Loftus in 1976. Loftus was trying to break up a gang fight on the city's North Side when he was shot to death.
"To release him would send a terrible message to Chicago police officers and their families that the sacrifice that Officer Loftus made in that October day in 1976 has been forgotten," said Philip Cline, former CPD superintendent.
In past parole attempts, Carrasquillo said he did not know Loftus was a policeman and said he fired his gun in the air. To counter the claim, the State's Attorney resurrected a yellowed pile of evidence from 30 years ago.
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"His bullet enters his face here and lodges right here. That's going to be significant. The evidence defies Carrasquillo's statement," said Gina Savini, assistant Cook County State's Attorney.
U.S. Congressman Luis Gutierrez is one of a half dozen elected Latino officials who support Carasquillo's parole effort. In a statement, Gutierrez writes that Carrasquillo "...is ready to make a positive contribution to our community and to mentor our young people to stay away from gangs and violence".
Other elected officials who today confirmed their support for Carrasquillo's bid are State Senator William Delgado and Cook County Commissioner Roberto Maldonado.
However, Chicago police say that Carrasquillo--whose street name was "Mad Dog"--is still the leader of the Logan Square-based Imperial Gangsters.
"'Mad Dog' Carrasquillo is a gang hero who typifies all the evil and hell that gangs bring our community," said John Schmidt, Chicago Police Department.
The Imperial Gangsters remain a scourge in Logan Square. Two of their members were arrested last year after Schanna Gayden, 11, was shot to death at a playground. The young girl is a victim of gang crossfire between the Imperial Gangsters and rivals Spanish Cobras, police said.
"For Ronnie Carrasquillo, who is still a member of the Imperial Gangsters, to get back on the street only 30 years after he shot Officer Loftus in cold blood, would be a terrible, terrible message," said Cline.
Carrasquillo will be interviewed by the Prison Review Board on July 10th before the board renders its final decision.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6215956
I talked to BG right after he was striped. He said Jimmy Jackson, who was his brothers commander at the time of his death had stayed in contact with the family until this came up. He also said that he had written several To-Froms informing the Dept of what his ex wife had threatened to do,( make bogus beefs) right after starting the Acedemy. Maybe BS should contact 60 minutes....
What is the exes name? Let's dish out her dirty laundry see how she likes it. Come on police wives, let's stick together - someone post her name.
What about Gold Star Families??? Fr. Nagle or are you on your ranch that we bought for you???
OK, I say again, lets march!!!!! Identify this officer, lets get as many coppers and gold star family members together and march. And list all the bosses and politicians who wouldn't help....
Not to be the devils advocate here but are we hearing the entire story here????
Allegations do not get you fired as a PPO in this department, proven facts get you fired.
Why has this PPO's mother had to come forward with this story???
If the PPO ran out of room on the application why did he not use a blank white piece of paper to add the past employment history? ( I forgot, 10 years of past police experiance and only 20 spots on the application, Just ask personnel)
Best of all how can you forget where you applied as a police officer??? Did he just apply for the job or did he take some form of testing that he failed like (drug,polygrapg,physical) This is called selective memory when you do not wish others to know you failed testing with another departments......
Mom's letter also fails to mention that she and the PPO both have problems with the Ex girlfriend that started this mess. But she also forgets to mention the heated court battle over the child support and custody. (The child is the reason for this fight and the refusal to pay suport is why we are reading this now)
It is my opinion that after the PPO was stripped, the powers that be reviewed this matter. They were also approached by the PPO's family members who were or still on the job and asked for assitance in this matter. After all of this it was decided that the PPO did fail to tell the Department of past applications to other Departments and employment with other Departments....... Now you know the rest of the story!!!!
It is what it is!!!!!!
Who would stand up for anyone with this kind of troubled past no matter what relation he is to a fallen officer. It still sounds like the PPO is not telling his own family the entire story either???
All firings go through the Superintendents office to be signed off on. Would J-fed of signed off on this if he was still dealing with the FBI, and one of their dead and his family? This is exactly what you get when you bring in and outsider. Which J-Fed will always be. Remember keep those numbers up for the index...
At will is shouted in the halls at academy. I graduated last year and now safely off probation. We were told daily, by LT and instructors that at will employees can be fired for anything. They instilled such a fear that most are afraid to do anything on the street. Without a FTO, we are at mercy of who we work with daily. Most of my friends lay low until off probation. The threat of reassignment to academy hangs over us. How many PPO's are fired in a month? You would be surprised. I have friends in other departments and they said no one was threatened with at will firing on a daily basis.
M.T. at the academy let B.G. sit in the FTO section awaiting his dismissal for 45 days.
M.T. should have stood up and said that this is not right.
M.T. should have been the one champaion for this kids rights.
M.T. knew all along and let this happen.
Over there at the academy all any of the bosses ever say is:
"F*ck them Recruits"
Do they remember when they were recruits?
Do they care that one day this could happen to one of thier relatives?
And to top it off, Weiss had to sign off on this firing.
MAY THEY ALL ROT IN HELL.
CPD,the Suburban Model is upon you!!
The Federal Judges are also beholden to their masters for their lifetime appointments too.
6/22/2008 12:46:00 AM
Any judge can be bribed or influenced,including the federal variety too.This is Chicago you know.
The brotherhood is a LIE!!
Every democRAT vote, for any office whatsoever, strengthens Boss Daly and the Daley Crime Family.
Alverez will e no different than Devine. Boss Daley will "suggest" who her top lieutenants should be.
Felony Refuse will still be the main cause of crime running wild.
Peraica's election would be a total disaster for the Daley Crime Family. Vote accordingly!
If you really want this shit fucking job..learn how to do some fucking sit ups. They're not that hard and Americans are too fat as it is.
By the way I'm on this shit job for 19 years and I'm born and raised in Chicago
Sorry Mr Gordon! You were the Chief of police in one of the burbs, and fell in lockstep with this dept , now that you are treated the way the rest of us have been treated for years, You are a special situation. I'm curious have you ever stepped to the plate for us?
I want to thank all those officers that came to our defense in this matter. One thing I must clarify, as a number of individuals have knocked Phil Cline. He was always there for my family when we lost Michael. He was the only one that contacted me recently to give my family encouragement. He was the individual responsible for having my son listed as In the Line of Duty Death rather than Performance of Duty. The old timer review board for some reason believes that unless you are shot or stabbed, you were killed in the Performance of duty. That has all changed now because of Cline. He is responsbiel for all those photos of fallen officers you see at the runs and memorials. In defense of him and the others involved with the Chicago Police Memorial, they have not forgotten my son Michael's children nor the other children of fallen officers. Yes, every time I see Phil Cline I physically hug him as I can never repay him for what he has done for my family. My sons were not perfect, but they all turned out to be good men and I want to end with, my son did not lose his job due to job performance. All of you be careful out there.
Robert Gordon, Proud Father of Michael and Robert
Can any of the lawyers who read this tell me what it takes for a change of venue??
Is it only becuase you have no chance for a fair trial at the current venue (Cook County)??
If a suit came about, could they move to get it heard in, say...Dupage County??
Finally, is this the best thing the CPD IAD can come up? Wow!! What about maybe looking into all of the negaticve stuff, umm, maybe Jerry, Corey, and their like.
Here is an idea, maybe try to find that stuff BEFORE the press, maybe that is what they should be doing!
Instead, you put your efforts in this...!?! To railroad a good kid, and an even better family. WTF!
Sad day to be CPD, even sadder day to be IAD.
6/22/2008 12:55:00 AM
They will not make it right, it is a witch hunt plain and simple again as always we are fucked because we wear a blue shirt, the soldiers like us are shit upon everyday! Think if the great genearl George Patton did this we would be a banana republic long ago! Always do everything you ask of those you command.
George S. Patton
If a man does his best, what else is there?
George S. Patton
Think not 1 exempt has any balls like Patton or any leader at the top nothing but followers who do whatever they are told! Fuck the blue shirt yes sir!
thats why nobody gives a fuck about the city, cuz the city sure don't give a fuck about you. it goes both ways. its the way they do buisness. F* EM!
I can NOT believe what I just read. Why, please someone tell me why is any Chicago Police Officer doing any kind of productive work?
This city is out to hang people. J-Fed is firing coppers left and right. This is all b.s. just like the CAPS program.
Save yourself the headache. Just stop doing any and all kinds of police work.
I did. I was actually on a call one block away from shots fired... what did I do, I turned the car around so I didnt get hit and said heres to you J-Fed.
i've seen gangbangers with rap sheets get hired, but my white cousin got knocked off the list because he was disciplined in boot camp (who wasn't?) he got an honorable discharge after 4 years of service. a friend got knocked off list for technicality he too is white male. does personnel have a mandate to do what the reverands are asking for: more minorities, no more white males. a couple of months ago it was on the front page of the sun times. i guess if you are a minority all you have done will be forgiven and the citizens will suffer if they realize it or not.
Given the choice I would rather have BG next to me on a job than J-Fed hands down........................
I never knew mike but I was at his wake and funeral just like I have every fallen po since I was a little boy going with my dad and to see the grief this family went through because of the streets of chicago and to now have to endure this nonsense makes me physically ill!!! what is the cowards name who investigated this??? To you, you coward...you are scum, and there is a special place in hell for you! NOW is the time to man up weiss...DO the right thing! A leader needs to earn the respect of his men...treat this as it was a mistake, and not the end of the world.
BG busted his hump to get on CPD in order to honor his brother Mike. This is how the city repays that loyalty? An abslolute disgrace.
Another cloud to shadow this already depleated family. Be strong Mr.G. Someday this city will wake up and try to fix its wrong doings.
When are you people on this job finally going to understand that THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU!
They don't care if you get injured or killed. They don't care if you do a good job or a bad job. They don't care if crime goes up or down.
They care about their own, not yours.
The politicians never cared. The department heads never cared. The citizens used to care, but don't anymore.
The lawsuits and settlements are only a small part of the hundreds of millions given to insider lawyers to defend cases. After its done, the lawyers switch sides. They can argue it either way. In turn, all lawyers contribute money back to the politicians that write the laws that let them make more money.
Police work. Crime. Murders. Shootings. That's for selling papers. Otherwise, NOBODY CARES!
This is a big insider money grab on the taxpayers for the politicians and the department heads. When the money's out, oh well, they'll just move on.
Stop thinking that the department cares about you or the things you care about. They don't. They never did.
SCC You probably wont post this however here goes. I'm sorry for the loss of his son. I take exception to Mr Gordon feeling his other son should be treated special. I wonder if you are aware that he played the roll of tough guy and looked down on other PO'S. I for one have been at odds with him.Always wanting and seeking (that a boys) becomes old after a while.MY bone of contention is also with you as far as I know you yourself have been a company man,and do a disservice to us when you whine about your son yet never had an opposing view of the company.
This makes me want to puke. 2 young men from the same family who had the balls to be the police, one makes the ultimate sacrifice and they fire the other brother for a rule designed to put people in the trick bag ? Im glad i tested and FAILED, i dont want anything to do with CPD. Heck, im scared to even get stopped by some of the idiots they have hired. SCC, you rock, but i will keep my dead end job instead of getting caught up in this mess.Im too old now to test again anyway. These idiots have ruined one of the greatest institutions of all time, the wounded beast that is now the Chicago Police Dept.
As a non-practicing member of the Illinois bar, SCC should really cut the anti-lawyer shit. It gets old.
OFF TOPIC:
I actually felt bad about the 13yr old who got himself killed over a bike. Then I learned he had an extensive sheet that included a few UUW's. Now lets see... The offender here probably knew of Ulsses prior propensity of being strapped. So when ulsses came a calling the offender was ready for him. Thats the only conclusion I could draw.
Unbelievable. I worked with BG myself. Good guy, great family. I have also lived with the Chicago Police Department all of my life. I have to say that this is by far the worst it has ever been. The Department is my family. It is disgraceful how they are treating you all. Why don't the bosses or the people up top ride with you guys for a night. Get shot at, go to a homicide scene or see how people really treat each other. I for the first time have to say that I am ashamed to have any affiliation with this Department. For the Men and Women out there working, I salute you and feel sorry for you. I can only wish you the best. Be safe.
Way to go brotherhood.Divide and conquer.
Good guy. Great family. It's a shame what this department has taken away.
All of you thinking of the Shitcago PD for a career, think long and hard.
It's not the bad guys you have to worry about, it's the poor managers of this once great department.
Sad to see what happened to the Gordon kid. From all accounts posted here, a good man. But you can't blame the City for cutting it's losses if his ex is constantly contacting IPRA and making allegations. 20 years (or more) of crap allegations, which have to be investigated? Lawsuits alleging that the CPD (and Personnel Division) "knew" problems existed and failed to act?
The City did what they had to do.
Unfortunately, he is linked to this woman by a child; can't fault the City for cutting that link asap to them.
Who would stand up for anyone with this kind of troubled past no matter what relation he is to a fallen officer. It still sounds like the PPO is not telling his own family the entire story either???
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Sounds like your an f'n @sshole.
STOP WORKING
STOP WORKING
STOP WORKING
GET YOUR 1.5% PAY RAISE
OH YEAH WE HAVE TO PAY .75% INCREASSE FOR MEDICAL INSURANCE, WHILE O'BAMA WILL HAND IT OUT
STOP WORKING
STOP WORKING
WATCH HOMICIDES GO OUT THE ROOF.
IF YOU WORK, SEE WHAT HAPPENS, THE CITY WILL GIVE YOU A "THAT A BOY" HOPEFULLY.
AND FORGET ABOUT ALL THE GOOD YOU HAVE DONE.. JUST TO SAY,,,,LOOK I FIRED THAT PERSON FOR THIS REASON.....
AND FINALLY IF WE BAND TOGETHER, LIKE I HEARD THE PO'S DID IN THE EARLY 80', WE CAN FUCK THE CITY.
LET TRY AND DO IT STARTING MONDAY THE 23RD, NO MOVER, NO PARKERS, NO IMPOUNDS, GANG/TACT ONLY CONTACT CARDS PLEASE. NO NICKEL/DIME ARREST. OH YEAH NO ANOVS
I agree... im done. all the supercops out there. let policing go for the summer. once we get our point across and something comes back our way we can go back to being the police.. unitl then, all of you... stop working!!!
it wasnt his mom azzhole who put in the letter it was his dad and you sound like the IAD rat who fkd him. if you want the facts of this case just ask any instructor at the academy. IAD fkd bobby gordon. Lets get the name of hat rat.
Terminated for an omission on an application, but public urination is acceptable as the powers that be urinate all over the graves of fallen officers at the Memorial?? Just make sure you put on enough cover up for the cameras to hide this black eye!
things that make you go HMMMM?
Who would stand up for anyone with this kind of troubled past no matter what relation he is to a fallen officer. It still sounds like the PPO is not telling his own family the entire story either???
6/22/2008 08:51:00 AM
Are you F------ kidding? I will.
Fired over missing work history in the application? When they did his background, did they find something then to show he wasn't fit to be a P.O.
Have they found anything in his work history since joining this department to warrant removal?
I'm still proud to be a Chicago Police Officer, but those running the show will be the death of this department. What f------ pimps!
And you, sir/ma'am, are a jagoff.
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hey jodi look at this also
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Anonymous said...
If you really want this shit fucking job..learn how to do some fucking sit ups. They're not that hard and Americans are too fat as it is.
By the way I'm on this shit job for 19 years and I'm born and raised in Chicago
6/22/2008 09:57:00 AM
Fire a recruit for one situp? Ridiculous. How many recruits are fired because of fitness test? Who watches the power tests? Many questions that should be answered.
Anonymous said...
M.T. at the academy let B.G. sit in the FTO section awaiting his dismissal for 45 days.
M.T. should have stood up and said that this is not right.
M.T. should have been the one champaion for this kids rights.
M.T. knew all along and let this happen.
Over there at the academy all any of the bosses ever say is:
"F*ck them Recruits"
Do they remember when they were recruits?
Do they care that one day this could happen to one of thier relatives?
And to top it off, Weiss had to sign off on this firing.
MAY THEY ALL ROT IN HELL.
6/22/2008 09:07:00 AM
White shirts smile with pride when a recruit is fired. Great attitude. Threaten them with immediate firings then gloat after one is fired. Gordon was a POW for weeks. Treated very poorly. No mercy.
Typical IAD, says Mama wrote on SCC, it was his father you dumb ass. Can't trust your facts because BG does pay his child support and is presently fighting in court for visitation rights. The ex has mental problems, oh, but then again you don't know that because you didn't really do a background check on the complainant like any investigator worth anything would have done. If you would of checked with her own family they would have told you so. No wonder you are with the RAT SQUAD.
Anonymous said...
All firings go through the Superintendents office to be signed off on. Would J-fed of signed off on this if he was still dealing with the FBI, and one of their dead and his family? This is exactly what you get when you bring in and outsider. Which J-Fed will always be. Remember keep those numbers up for the index...
6/22/2008 08:53:00 AM
Cline fired many good honest coppers UNJUSTLY...
The city subcontracts almost all of its heavy litigation to private law firms that are big contributors to the Democratic Party. When they have a hardon for someone they bring in their topguns. This has been the case for quite sometime.
The court system in Crook County is an extension of the Democratic Party too. The "Machine" still exerts almost 100% control over any litigation
Thank you! I have been telling these goofs this for years. We are in a no win situation, Let us not forget Daley has at the very least 6 pass aldermen who are now Judges along with numerous family members and ex-employees of the states Attorneys office and on and on, Daley truly is King.
The jury system and the Federal courts are a better bet for litigation. The Federal Judges are also beholden to their masters for their lifetime appointments too.
Would be nice however very few cases qualify for Federal court.
where is mikes back up?? anyone????
Mike's father has NOT stepped to the plate to help other officers in trouble. Lead by example. He was in lock step with the white shirts.
MEDICAL INSURANCE, WHILE O'BAMA WILL HAND IT OUT
Better yet McCain will give it to Big Business in Iraq. all the while you sir are working a second job just to keep your head above water.signed an independent
Who would stand up for anyone with this kind of troubled past no matter what relation he is to a fallen officer. It still sounds like the PPO is not telling his own family the entire story either???
What this poster related was what I was told the KId is telling some lies.
SCC this is off topic.
Burgcopschicago has been removed, now that is disgraceful. Northlake police was a funny read. They have a piece of shit Chief. We need a new blog for the burgs. Help us SCC.
Fr. Nagle has a ranch? What's this all about?
Give him his job back you FUCKING ASSHOLES!
Now you know the rest of the story!!!!
It is what it is!!!!!!
Sorry. No it's not. I know I'm living in a dream land but what about all those bosses that "bend" the rules, like not living within the city limits? An example would be the one that just got promoted to Area 3 Deputy Chief. After all this time I'm still amazed at how this Dept. still picks and chooses what rules to enforce and on who.
KMA Club here I come!
BG,
I am really sorry this happen to you. I want to thank you for the hard work you did and my prayers are with you. Today while I attended Saint Pat's Church I said a prayer for you.
5 Feet
That has all changed now because of Cline.
OH I see if Cline is good to you then to hell with the rest of us. Phil Cline and company handed out a good line of bull shit he has received Millions of dollars for the memorial fund yet has given out only a few thousand dollars and yes they will pick and choose which families they LIKE to give the money too. How much does Cline Pay himself. Look up the web sight or call them,so you can receive a rude answer.Tthe attorney general should investigate them. You Sir Should ask questions.
Robert Gordon,
Fuck Phil Cline he is a rat who fired my Mother for a VERY minor infraction. Argument with the neighbor. Took her 2 years and Thousands of dollars. Why NO Juice>
Anonymous said...
SCC this is off topic.
Burgcopschicago has been removed, now that is disgraceful. Northlake police was a funny read. They have a piece of shit Chief. We need a new blog for the burgs. Help us SCC.
6/22/2008 09:51:00 PM
Anybody know why??Did the blog owner shut it down,or did google/blogger??
Fuck Phil Cline he is a rat who fired my Mother for a VERY minor infraction. Argument with the neighbor. Took her 2 years and Thousands of dollars. Why NO Juice>
6/23/2008 01:20:00 AM
Another person not telling the whole story. You can not get fired for a verbal argument with a neighbor.
Fire a recruit for one situp? Ridiculous. How many recruits are fired because of fitness test? Who watches the power tests? Many questions that should be answered.
6/22/2008 06:53:00 PM
Tell him to get off his fat ass and do some sit ups when the commercials come on. Then one sit up won't be such a big deal.
I don't know if the Police fitness changed since I came on the job, but it used to be a joke.
So don't cry about one fucking sit up (if that's the case).
That's the problem with this job and society today....lazy, whining spoiled bitches.
Sure the job has it draw backs, but the fitness test is not one of them.
Fuck Phil Cline he is a rat who fired my Mother for a VERY minor infraction. Argument with the neighbor. Took her 2 years and Thousands of dollars. Why NO Juice>
6/23/2008 01:20:00 AM
Another person not telling the whole story. You can not get fired for a verbal argument with a neighbor.
Who said anything about a verbal altercation???? to make a long story short you moron, My mother got in an argument with the neighbor about our dog my mother was in her own yard however she was drinking a beer or two as she was doing yard work
In this day, who steers their kids onto this job? You make a decent salary. Your kids can go to college.
Why the hell would you ever support your kids' decision to join the CPD?
It's too many war stories. That's what does it. Stop telling your kids war stories. Start telling them true stories about the idiot bosses and political hacks who would otherwise be smoking rock, but are now exempts in the CPD. Tell your kids they'll spend their lives solving problems for blacks and hispanics who hate them. Tell your kids that performance, bravery, and good work ethic have nothing to do with getting ahead on this job. Tell your kids they can roll the dice on promotional exams and if it comes up craps, they could be working in a beat car answering the same jobs for the next thirty years.
Tell them to get a different job. Tell them life is too short for this bullshit.
The best thing that ever happened to that kid was being let go. Believe me, in the long run he'll be much better off.
Fat Phil Cline was the worst Superintendent the CPD ever had,he fucked more nonclout guys than any other Superintendent and he robs in the name of the dead.
FUCK CLINE!!!
This new guy may not be perfect but he is light years better than blimpie,Dana was a very welcome relief from the Cline Reign of Tyranny.
stop complaining if it was not your kid, you will not give a damn, if he is a liability let him go. get him another job
Sad to see what happened to the Gordon kid. From all accounts posted here, a good man. But you can't blame the City for cutting it's losses if his ex is constantly contacting IPRA and making allegations. 20 years (or more) of crap allegations, which have to be investigated? Lawsuits alleging that the CPD (and Personnel Division) "knew" problems existed and failed to act?
The City did what they had to do.
Unfortunately, he is linked to this woman by a child; can't fault the City for cutting that link asap to them.
6/22/2008 05:37:00 PM
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"The City did what they had to do."
Like what? Roll-over, because It's easier to not put up a fight.
Useless.
If anyone believes that this guy was fired only for an inadvertent, minor omission on his job application, then I have a couple of bridges to show you. Obviously of you that believe this have never been a position to try to remove a PPO for a substantial reason. Is it possible that the ex made some substantial allegations, or that there was apattern of some kind? You guys are supposed to be investigators, and as such should know enough to not make decisions until you have all the facts.
An example would be the one that just got promoted to Area 3 Deputy Chief.
He's got a condo on Sheridan that he sleeps at. I would move my family out too, if I could afford it.
OK, I say again, lets march!!!!! Identify this officer, lets get as many coppers and gold star family members together and march. And list all the bosses and politicians who wouldn't help....
6/22/2008 08:48:00 AM
Look, if you're inviting people to march, why on earth post as "anonymous?" Unless, of course, you really have no intention of getting off your lazy ass and marching. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Fuck Phil Cline he is a rat who fired my Mother for a VERY minor infraction. Argument with the neighbor. Took her 2 years and Thousands of dollars. Why NO Juice>
6/23/2008 01:20:00 AM
Another person not telling the whole story. You can not get fired for a verbal argument with a neighbor.
6/23/2008 06:59:00 AM
IAD should not be allowed on this site... They are a disgrace. They talk a big game on we have honor and bla bla bla! Yet SOS was tipped off and IAD know all about the BS going on and did nothing.
This department has always prided itself on honoring the fallen and has always made it a great point to take care of the family and loved ones of our fallen. The exempts should have faught tooth and nail to make this right.
If an exempt fights back he/she is likely not to remain an exempt for long, truth be told.
Anonymous said...
Fuck Phil Cline he is a rat who fired my Mother for a VERY minor infraction. Argument with the neighbor. Took her 2 years and Thousands of dollars. Why NO Juice>
6/23/2008 01:20:00 AM
Another person not telling the whole story. You can not get fired for a verbal argument with a neighbor.
6/23/2008 06:59:00 AM
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Yeah, your right. They forgot to mention the neighbor was connected and she was not.
Now go home and get YOUR SHINE BOX!!!
"Sorry Mr Gordon! You were the Chief of police in one of the burbs, and fell in lockstep with this dept , now that you are treated the way the rest of us have been treated for years, You are a special situation. I'm curious have you ever stepped to the plate for us?"
"SCC You probably wont post this however here goes. I'm sorry for the loss of his son. I take exception to Mr Gordon feeling his other son should be treated special. I wonder if you are aware that he played the roll of tough guy and looked down on other PO'S. I for one have been at odds with him.Always wanting and seeking (that a boys) becomes old after a while.MY bone of contention is also with you as far as I know you yourself have been a company man,and do a disservice to us when you whine about your son yet never had an opposing view of the company"
I think the two individuals above are sorely mistaken! Obviously you know little of Mr. Gordon or his family. You question as to whether or not he has been there for others??? I'm not gonna speak about things i don't know, as you have, but what i do know is that Mr. Gordon was instrumental in setting up the Michael P. Gordon Foundation along with his family. That Foundation helps others through donating to the families of fallen officers and also with scholarships. Perhaps you are not aware of the True Blue Awards which Mr. Gordon has also been an instrumental part of since it's inception? I also do not believe Mr. Gordon is asking for his son to receive special treatment or benefit related to the loss of his son Michael. I feel so disgusted that you would make such an accusation that i am embarassed to dignify it with a response! I believe what Mr. Gordon is seeking is for his son not to be treated unjustly!!! If that makes him a bad man in your eyes than i already feel sorry for your children should you have any!
As for being at odds with his son, you are entitled to your opinion. I am sorry you confuse leadership qualities and motivational skills with "playing the role of the tough guy." You obviously don't know Bobby either as you have implied that he was always wanting and seeking "that-a-boys." I challenge you to ask yourself if it was you seeking that from Bobby yet couldnt live up to the standard?
You accuse Mr. Gordon of falling in "Lock-step" with your department and then asking for special treatment. I think you are mistaken! You say the rest of you have been treated this way for years yet have any of you stood up against said treatment? I believe that's why you don't recognize backbone when you see it!!!
I don't mean to belittle either of you with this but rather I challenge you to do some research and thinking that may lead you to the answers of the questions you pose as to the character of Mr. Gordon, his son, or any other member of his family for that matter! I ask you to use caution against making ignorant judgements as it it far too easy... just ask CPD IAD!!!!
This story is bullshit, they should be firing the DOGS or the ones who DONT RESPOND TO JOBS WHILE I AM 99 CHASING A FUCKING SHITHEAD AND GETTING INTO IT GOING OVER THE AIR WITH AN EMERGENCY. This dept. is horseshit. I responded to a job the other night (not my job someone elses) ended up chasing a dude, 99, after dude is in custody like 20 minutes later, the fucking car shows up, why you ask because they were getting food and out of the district, without permission. i have no problem if you want to get food because if you are in a working district there is no where to eat, but don't get me hurt because you are a fat FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT WHO SHOULD NOT HAVE FUCKING BEEN FUCKING HIRED IN THE FUCKING FIRST PLACE. FUCK FUCK FUCK YOU ALL.
Sad to see what happened to the Gordon kid. From all accounts posted here, a good man. But you can't blame the City for cutting it's losses if his ex is constantly contacting IPRA and making allegations. 20 years (or more) of crap allegations, which have to be investigated? Lawsuits alleging that the CPD (and Personnel Division) "knew" problems existed and failed to act?
The City did what they had to do.
Unfortunately, he is linked to this woman by a child; can't fault the City for cutting that link asap to them.
"The City did what they had to do."
Are you out of your fucking mind??
The city has no common sense. They let that bitch get traction by taking her complaints. So she complains more. Make her sign the sworn affidavit, then charge her ass when complaint is unfounded.
But then, the city has a convicted embezzler on the payroll.
don't mean to belittle either of you with this but rather I challenge you to do some research and thinking that may lead you to the answers of the questions you pose as to the character of Mr. Gordon,
The war stories need to stop. No one is super cop. Give it a rest.
This story is bullshit, they should be firing the DOGS or the ones who DONT RESPOND TO JOBS WHILE I AM 99 CHASING A FUCKING
You have issues little man! Your another one of the poster boys of the me,me,me, generation. Cry me a river its obvious you have a year and a day on this job. The real police would just take care of business and not cry like a little sissy boy. You are nothing but a ridiculous little child Now go home a tell a war story about how you did your crime fighting all by your little self. Sickening whats coming on this job.
Guys-i totally agree with the idea of a march, but as we all know, coppers can't agree on a lunch location, let alone something like this (not to mention everone would probably be late or take a "D"-day). Absolutely-always march for your fellow officers, here (B.G) and gone (M.G), because as time marches on, no one else will. Our whole job revolves around being leaders, yet i believe many of us to be followers. Job actions, brotherhood and basic work morals and ethics can never be repaired here because no one can stick together. If everyone agreed to officially "STOP WORKING," there would still be some goofball chasing the rock or some idiot writing parkers/movers to keep his/her spot. All of us beat cars: guess what? We're the majority. We'd run this department if we could exile those who put their own needs and desires ahead of everyone else's. If all of you reading this wanted to march, I'd be there with you. I think it would send a great message. Oh, and to all my fellow officers. I beg you to take advantage of our tuition reimbursement, because union protection no longer applies. No longer do we have job security. So please, if not for yourself, for your loved ones-go get an education and have a back-up plan. And when/if anyone ever agrees on a time/place to exercise our 1st Amendment rights, keep us posted. Comorodity's low, but never too low to cause the bosses grief :) Stay safe, answer your jobs, paper everything, and don't disrupt the natural order of things. You might save a shithead.
Yeah lets give him his job back.....then when he fucks up again lets pull the same old "but do you know who he is" bullshit. BOTTOM LINE is that he has a crazy girlfriend (not the city's problem) and he didn't know/remember how to fill out an application (not the city's fault)......This is called clout ladies and germs and it has to stop. If he gets his job back and your working with him and HE does something stupid and you get in the trick bag but HE gets off because of "who he is/knows/his family is" then thats bullshit...no one gets a golden ticket anymore, sorry. We are trying to get rid of this clout filled department and if you think any boss that "promised" you a golden ticket is going to come help you now...your wrong, Na gon do it.
Anonymous said...
If anyone believes that this guy was fired only for an inadvertent, minor omission on his job application, then I have a couple of bridges to show you. Obviously of you that believe this have never been a position to try to remove a PPO for a substantial reason. Is it possible that the ex made some substantial allegations, or that there was apattern of some kind? You guys are supposed to be investigators, and as such should know enough to not make decisions until you have all the facts.
6/23/2008 03:22:00 PM
Past history has shown clout always prevails. The department does not have a reputation for impartial and thorough investigations. Next you will state they are objective and unbias. If that is true, what happen to the officers who spoke up at JFED's town open meetings? Not hard to fire recruits and PPO's. they have it down to a simple routine.
go fuck yourself goof. You dont like it, dont read it
Yeah lets give him his job back.....then when he fucks up again lets pull the same old "but do you know who he is" bullshit.
I agree I know Him he has Issues.
Mr.Gordon's post was in regards to his son that was recently fired. Mike Mette& Bill Coozi are two Officers that come to mind who were egregiously maligned.
He was silent in these two incidents & it appears that the outrage over being maligned by the Dept.was only brought to light when it struck home.
This could be interpreted as being disingenuous?
The Double Standard is always a dangerous path to travel...
"Yeah lets give him his job back.....then when he fucks up again lets pull the same old "but do you know who he is" bullshit. BOTTOM LINE is that he has a crazy girlfriend (not the city's problem) and he didn't know/remember how to fill out an application (not the city's fault)......This is called clout ladies and germs and it has to stop. If he gets his job back and your working with him and HE does something stupid and you get in the trick bag but HE gets off because of "who he is/knows/his family is" then thats bullshit...no one gets a golden ticket anymore, sorry. We are trying to get rid of this clout filled department and if you think any boss that "promised" you a golden ticket is going to come help you now...your wrong, Na gon do it"
What's it like under the Superintendants desk pal?
"I ask you to use caution against making ignorant judgements as it it far too easy..."
Right back @ you Asshat. Just becuase you say something doesn't make it so...
What is this ex girlfriend's name?
Go to the burbs if you really want to treated like a child.
"Right back @ you Asshat. Just becuase you say something doesn't make it so..."
Geez! How much room is there under that desk?
"Geez! How much room is there under that desk?
6/25/2008 09:44:00 AM"
I'm sure your immediate family could provide that answer...
Maybe we all should back up the Gordon family, and all the other families that have to live like this.....
another thing lets talk to dick about the porta-potties on the memorial
"I'm sure your immediate family could provide that answer..."
What's it like to have no gag reflex you rubberneck?
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