Academy Class Canceled?
Commentators saying the August/September class canceled and nothing on the board the rest of the year. Three-hundred retirements and under one-hundred fifty hires for the year.
But we aren't shorthanded.
But we aren't shorthanded.
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posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
167 Comments:
I see my partner maybe at roll call then I ride around alone with a massive backlog all day. Why are no politicians/brass addressing this issue? Especially with rising crime concerns as of late.
Any one know when they are going to offer another written test?
OT: Would any of you guys leave the CPD to go work for the DEA as a special agent? Anyone on here have any insight about the morale or benefits of DEA SA? Thanks
The media talking about crime going up and is it Jfed's fault? The city council holding hearings on why crime is going up? It's hard to do proactive policing and keep crime down when I am riding from call to call. I can't believe more attention hasn't been paid to the manpower issue.
we still have "COOTER"!
Why are people still making stupid ass dope pinches? Just to wear jeans, a black vest, and carry a short-stem radio? Douches.
Am I remembering correctly that JFed said at one of his open question & answer meetings that we would be hiring 50 more recruits every month this year? What the hell happened to that?
10-99
will this delay the upcoming detective class? anyone with any insight? rumors?
It looks like those would of been recruits will get a chance to see Favre win one more Super Bowl with Green Bay at home!
IT'S DEFINATELY BLU FLU SEASON !
I heard city wide hiring freeze until 2009
I know this sounds annoying, but someone might know... Are any Detectives or Sgts. classes going to made anytime soon??
Any credible info would be appreciated.
i am not surprised at all that place is all screwed up and is falling apart. not enough instructors but more then enough bosses go figure.
not suprising
they should just send the recruits like the suburbs to a college and it will save a lot of time and money and stop the bull politics that happen over there. sell the land and build condos. problem solved budget cut.
I am not absolutely positive but I think the number of recruits for 2008 thus far is 125.
umm...if no classes are in the academy...what are these healthy,sworn,gun carrying officers and supervisors doing there?
I know silly question...
maybe they'll be assigned like the last batch of HQ people who just drove around in the districts and weren't assigned jobs or had to do paper....yeah that's it. What a great job.
With this kind of news, people are still doing Police work, risking lives, safety and having NO CONTRACT for almost 2 years!
This Dept. has a bunch of fools for Police Officers!
Not only are we short, but the mismanagement of officers is a joke.
Every inside officer has to do a week on the street, yeah, sounds rough, but all they do is drive around, no assigned jobs and they don't do paper so what good are they?
If they want real change, bring some folks from patrol who actually know the job downtown and you'll hear some viable solutions.
Otherwise it's all smoke and mirrors and we all know it.
Anonymous said...
OT: Would any of you guys leave the CPD to go work for the DEA as a special agent? Anyone on here have any insight about the morale or benefits of DEA SA? Thanks
8/05/2008 12:14:00 AM
The DEA is a good agency prone to many of the same gripes that every law enforcement agency suffers from. The DEA is probably the closest federal agency to being the police.
I have worked with several DEA agents and can verifiably say they were all decent, knowlegeable guys. The DEA also offers the many benefits of being a Federal employee.
I would say go for it, things are only going to get worse on the CPD. The 20 year and out pension is very ideal for law enforcement too.
Stay away from Secret Service,BATF,Air Marshal,US Marshal,Border Patrol
Anonymous said...
I am not absolutely positive but I think the number of recruits for 2008 thus far is 125.
8/05/2008 03:51:00 AM
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What happened to the money from the sale of the skyway and millenium park garage? NO givebacks.
Does China Have an extradition treaty with the U.S.? Maybe shortshanks lies low when he gets a rumor of indictments forthcoming.
We're Budgeted for 13,500 but why are we steady working with just under 9,000 Police Officers?
Oh! I know, lets direct the money for other uses as seen fit by the mayor and that worthless city council. One thing's for sure, bet the Mayor is using some of that budgeted money to Bid for the Olympics, And then to really snag them, the mayor will say, "I promise tight security, I promise to hire a 1000 more policemen"; when really he still wouldnt bring our true numbers up to par.
Love this Job, hate this City and its ferocious politics. Cam
t wait till I retire.
More importantly then not hiring any recruits is the not replacing of retiring Detectives and Sgts. Does anyone realize how slow they are going promoting people off of the current lists? When is the next Detectives class supposed to be?
SCC, check out the story in the Arizona Republic about Ernie Brown.
Too many chiefs, not enough injuns. People, 2013 is close and our illustrious mayor stops paying for health insurance. All your deferred will be used up paying for your health insurance. Give up that dream of retiring before 60.
Haven't looked at my check stubs in awhile,due to direct deposit,but I think I pay $16.50 a check in FLOP dues.Can anyone tell me where that money is going? The National FLOP hasn't sent me any really cool personalized address labels for quite some time(now I cant let everyone know I'm the police)so its not going there.Those were some expensive ass labels.
Well I hope the local and national FLOP are using that extra cash to fight for Mette's freedom....
Proactive police work is now put in the same museum as the revolver,call box key and bosses with testicles.We aren't even reactive policing or depolicing we are just down right embarrassing.
Why are people still making stupid ass dope pinches? Just to wear jeans, a black vest, and carry a short-stem radio? Douches.
Because we are the POLICE...wait...I am the police...you are a dog who steals money from the city. Go back to your hole and take a nap. Douche.
Guess none of the recruits could play hockey
Anonymous said...
Why are people still making stupid ass dope pinches? Just to wear jeans, a black vest, and carry a short-stem radio? Douches.
8/05/2008 12:25:00 AM
Amen brother,I've been there done that,got the t-shirt.and would'nt go back for all the court time in the world.I still can't beleve I see some of these kids puting there livelyhood,and possibly there freedom on the line-for what? to wear jeans to work,and for a community who would rather see you go to jail than the street corner thug poisoning it's own neighborhood.wake up people!
I hear no promotions for the rest of the year in all ranks
good the clout babies assigned/detailed to academy can hit the streets in area 2
: Would any of you guys leave the CPD to go work for the DEA as a special agent
call Dea agent Lou gade jr who works out of homan square. he is ex cpd, and you young ones should consider leaving because of the merit problems and the out of control taxes in this city. Go to Kendall county my son......
We just need more Hire-Back of vet P.O's at time and a half, no new recruits. Much cheaper, and better for us.
Close the Academy till 2010 and pay us more with a contract, hire back details, and 10 hr. work day. NO NEW RECRUITS NEEDED..........Plenty of us want and need more $$$ .......
Things are great,we have the best city with the highest taxes,Mayor Daley,J-Dork,all the time we wunt to take off.We all get to ride 99 and meet new people all day.The pay is great,and we have the best union,and they have all the kool-aid we wunt to drink.and Cooter
No Contract, no manpower and the bosses want more numbers god are they idiots. This has become a safety issue. Do not ride on in protgress calls 10-99 wait for proper back up. Remember to take a lunch and a personell let the city rot all that matters is going home at the end of the day. Don't put yourself in the position to get hurt for these morons.
12:14am
Talk to LT.G, days, 019.
What kills me is when I answer 35 to 40 calls by the end of the tour, and the Sgts ask me why I have no ticket numbers, When I tell him I was to busy answering calls, he then tells me I did no work today.???????
DEA? Great idea if you like world travel, and chasing cocaine cowboys.
But remember, Piss off a boss at CPD, and the farthest they can send you is to 005, or 016.
Ever sat on a mountaintop in Columbia?
Watch yourselves people. Our own people aren't on our side anymore(not just brass either). I know this isn't news, but just keep it in mind. Expect to be treated like a second class citizen. I speak from experience. You know who you can trust, and you learn more everyday about who you can't. Just do enough to cover your ass and then go home to your family. Things aren't like they used to be, and from the looks of it, they won't ever be again.
Quit bitching! I, Richard II, your beloved Mayor for Life, needed the money that we were going to pay the NEW
recruits for my First Class tickets to China for the olympics. CerTAINLY you wouldn't want me and my entire entourage to fly COACH? (WHATEVER THAT IS)
Now just shut up and OBEY me! And just maybe i'll bring you back a fortune cookie from China.
And once again thanks for your support and keep voting democRAT!
Does that mean a skeleton crew at the academy? It frees up more desk jockeys for the street.
The plan is to downsize the Dept on the sly. Well we noticed. The Mayor wants us to ride 99 like the suburban depts that way we can do the same with 50% less manpower on the streets. This city and this dept are in trouble and no one is letting the public know the truth. The next thing I am waiting for is the mayor to say something stupid like," the state police ride 99 why can't the Chicago Police"? and worse yet our sup supporting the idea.
Keep strippping officers for nothing and sending them to the black hole , call back! This will help induce wrok and keep men adn women on the streets
Why not recruit state certified Police Officers from Illinois as well as other states? It works in Florida. We save the cost of the training by having a 4 week class and we can quickly boost up the numbers. This can help right now because face it Mr mayor and your cronies this is becoming an officer safety issue and our stupid union should be more outspoken about this. Lateral transfers are not a new idea and they have been working country wide for years. We are always 3 steps behind everyone else.
AND NOW THE END IS NEAR.....
I enjoyed the opputunity to work with DEA. I had a blast but I am so glad I am not involved with Federal Investigative units as my long term career. View the documentary "Chasing Pablo". Years later thats the organization I woked with.
PRO: High speed training, long term investigations. Great Equipment. 20-30G more on base salary than CPD, on GS Scale for pay. Very political.
CON:
All that High speed city stuff. DEA establish's task forces. They always use local cops to man these units with a few DEA Agents. Note: do not look to CPD, NYPD, as the model for how DEA opperates. That is the exception. Federal oversight, Very few espirit de corps, (Limited to special units). Family is not an issued item. You read into that. If You want a family later please consider this right now.
They DO NOT have sick time that we do, or NYPD,LAPD,or TEXAS RANGERS.
10 Hour days no OT. If your lucky you can work at the emabassy, This is when you go back to family, because if your new on the job. You will pay your due's to get these assignments.
You know how CPD has a POW section at call back. CHICAGO is DEA's Call back. Now thats only for the few who get into trouble with DEA. (not all agents here are in trouble) Just the selected few are monitored here.
Right on the money:
http://www.dotsub.com/view/84f5c72d-b0ba-408c-ace3-8cc40995e011;jsessionid=19ov21yosmk5i
Why are people still making stupid ass dope pinches? Just to wear jeans, a black vest, and carry a short-stem radio? Douches.
8/05/2008 12:25:00 AM
So we can take time due and have extra money from court.
anonymous said...
OT: Would any of you guys leave the CPD to go work for the DEA as a special agent? Anyone on here have any insight about the morale or benefits of DEA SA? Thanks
8/05/2008 12:14:00 AM
I would, except that the academy is like 5 months long! Screw that...
I can't believe no media is catching on with the way the assignments sheets are done. PO's detailed out are on ghost cars and of the ones that are actually up, many are 99. It isn't safe for you coppers. Even doing the minimum can't get you hurt in some 99 situations. From the information I've seen, there are exactly 6721 total police regardless of rank. These are full and light duty. 15 years ago we were over 10,000.
back in the late 80's there was another hiring freeze. No big deal... just grin and bear it. And usually after a big riot we got really good raises, too.
Just a suggestion...Sit back and wait.
OT: Would any of you guys leave the CPD to go work for the DEA as a special agent? Anyone on here have any insight about the morale or benefits of DEA SA? Thanks
8/05/2008 12:14:00 AM
In a heart-beat! Oh, and "benefits of DEA"? #1 benefit is: YOU AINT HERE!
Off Topic-
How much time on does one need to take the Dic's test as well as the Sgt's test.
Anonymous said...
I know this sounds annoying, but someone might know... Are any Detectives or Sgts. classes going to made anytime soon??
Any credible info would be appreciated.
8/05/2008 01:16:00 AM
They are planning for a detective class by end of year. Monitor this site for more information. Could be within the next 8 months.
So what about the FTO's?
I had a question, do the FTO's still make out of grade pay even if they do not have a PPO in tow?
Anonymous said...
umm...if no classes are in the academy...what are these healthy,sworn,gun carrying officers and supervisors doing there?
I know silly question...
maybe they'll be assigned like the last batch of HQ people who just drove around in the districts and weren't assigned jobs or had to do paper....yeah that's it. What a great job.
8/05/2008 05:49:00 AM
There are classes at academy. Plus suburban recruit classes. They lost 25 part time role players so now everyone is forced to work. Actually academy life is great.
..."Three-hundred retirements and under one-hundred fifty hires for the year."
Its been that way for a few years!
It’s all about the MONEY! The whole 13,500 sworn bullshit, that’s what the Police Department is BUDGETED for! Every empty seat in roll call still has an annual paycheck! If that paycheck is not used, it goes back to the City’s budget, not the Police Departments! Fire, Streets and San, Teachers, all are short on manpower too, same thing goes for them and their payroll!
Daley has finance a trip to the Beijing Olympics on that empty seat to your right and to your left!
J-Fed should have learned a lesson or two from the Military! When you accept command of a unit (i.e. The Chicago Police Department), you accept responsibility for all of its equipment and manpower! Well boss, where is everybody? Can you show us 13,500 actual bodies?He is either a fool, or playing the “politician” game, which makes him a liar or a cheat, or both.
They are still working off of the the list of Feb 2006 test takers. There are groups from June, Aug, and Nov 2006 that have not yet had their backgrounds done and some are still waiting on results from other portions of the process.
they should just send the recruits like the suburbs to a college and it will save a lot of time and money and stop the bull politics that happen over there. sell the land and build condos. problem solved budget cut.
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I think the rest of the state uses PTI. Only Chicago has their own police academy these days.
I suspect that it might well be a good thing to just close the CPD academy and send recruits to PTI downstate, for a lot of reasons.
I know this sounds annoying, but someone might know... Are any Detectives or Sgts. classes going to made anytime soon??
Any credible info would be appreciated.
8/05/2008 01:16:00 AM
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How stupid would THAT be? We are deserately short in patrol, on the beats, so why pull MORE people out of patrol and promote them out of front line work?
Uh, come to think of it, this administration really IS stupid enough to do it.
To the low life whore who think this dept. has fools for policemen.
Fuck you you coward. You sound like a real democrat with lies. Last contract was about a year and half, one befor that was two and a half years in waiting. ALso doing police work is your job you lazy piece of shit. Some day you will have to grow up and be a man, or you can quit and go back to teaching 1st graders.
So, the city is basically compromising our safety and the safety of the tax paying public by not having enough officers on the streets.
Great, so this motivates me to work hard right? I can't believe this is happening.
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Anonymous Anonymous said...
With this kind of news, people are still doing Police work, risking lives, safety and having NO CONTRACT for almost 2 years!
This Dept. has a bunch of fools for Police Officers!
8/05/2008 05:49:00 AM
I AGREE WITH YOU 100%.
listen people.. we just need to make jedry the new supe. hes the man with the plan
With this kind of news, people are still doing Police work, risking lives, safety and having NO CONTRACT for almost 2 years!
you mean no contract for one year and one month... 11 months away from two years... im sure your one of the dogs who rides with a ppo and tells them how much life and this jobs sucks and just looks for reasons to complain and the contract is just another excuse for you to do nothing...woooofff
To 8/05 at 12:25...It's called "Doing your job" and having fun...try it sometime
Lets set the record straight! We DO NOT need to hire any more officers at this time! There are two officers in each car.... that's a waste of manpower! One of them can handle a job and the second one can go handle another job. In "The Dark Knight", I learned that Batman's car actually has a big motorcycle inside it, so I propose that when a "10-4" car gets to an assignment..... the passenger officer hits the "thingamajiggy" that makes the "whatchamcallit" into a motorcycle and then he/she can take the motorcycle part and go handle another job! I'm gonna go make up a press release! Toodles!
we are short?? NOOOOOOOO? I didnt notice. All I do is ride around chasing the radio.
Heres your VIN- The report number is there in the top right corner. The detective will be calling you eventually for a follow-up. Do that 5-10 times a day. Dont forget the occasional secretarial work for the auto insurance companies.
So any tickets I write are in conjunction with accidents, and only for the usually things. No DL, No Ins. State Charges only.
When they make it easier to go to traffic court (i.e. multiple locations) and give us a fair contract with cost of living adjustments built into it then I will become the revenue generating automaton they want us all to be.
76 Hours or so to "BUD"
Sounds of silence from City Hall and the G-Man! Maybe if we just ignore them.....yeah thats it...they'll all go away! Hurry snow storms! More pie Aunt Bea?
Anonymous said...
will this delay the upcoming detective class? anyone with any insight? rumors?
Hey Monster shut your pie hole and keep locking up those gamblers. The Cubs are in first, what else you want?
K Griffey JR
The manpower shortage not only makes our job harder but it is dangerous! Working 99 at night is not safe and the union brought this up years ago but it seems the city has forgotten. They need to be running full academy classes until the end of the year, not freezing hiring for months and months so that the shortage gets worse.
Anonymous said...
Why are people still making stupid ass dope pinches? Just to wear jeans, a black vest, and carry a short-stem radio? Douches.
8/05/2008 12:25:00 AM
slow down salty balls just because you got turned down for tact again no need to be hatin
OT: Would any of you guys leave the CPD to go work for the DEA as a special agent? Anyone on here have any insight about the morale or benefits of DEA SA? Thanks
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*More money
*More opportunity
*No residency
*More freedom
*No Daley
I can only guess that they are doing this because they don't want to spend the money on recruit hiring. Well then quit complaining and having city council meetings about why crime is going up! We need more bodies on the street. But I guess fighting off the children's museum and gun ban lawsuits and building an olympic village is more important then having police officers on the street
Anonymous said...
With this kind of news, people are still doing Police work, risking lives, safety and having NO CONTRACT for almost 2 years!
This Dept. has a bunch of fools for Police Officers!
8/05/2008 05:49:00 AM
quit trying to start shit you non police asshat..you have no credibility any copper knows how long we have been without a contract and its not 2 years
Only 125 hires so far this year not 150
BALUE FALUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! Complaining does no good, so don't.
DON'T do t-stops
DON'T do street stops
DON'T think that a tac or gang team makes you a better copper...cause it doesn't,i've done it and have seen coppers better than myself never leave a blue n white.
DON'T do anything you don't have to because there is absolutly no benefit...SMILE AND WAVE CAUSE IT TRULY IS ONLY A JOB.
good thing we have back to the streets program. and its such a success!
This is a good thing, less potential brutality cases that cost the city so much money.
THE CITY'S BROKE,WE NEED TO GET RID OF AT LEAST 25 ALDERMEN! AND THE ONE'S LEFT DON'T GET A RAISE.
Dep. Supt. O'Keefe has publicly stated that there will be only 300 new hires in 2008.
everybody see that tagging at osceola and cornellia. and yet no new hires.
signed a po thats looking to leave after 7 years.
if they don't hire any new guys then who is going to work tac?
HECK WITH HIRING NEW RECRUITS, TOO EXPENSIVE TO TAXPAYERS. HAVE EXPERIENCED CPD OFFICERS WORK A TIME AND A HALF HIRE BACK WHEN AND WHERE NEEDED. A SIDE JOB FOR EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO WORK AND MAKE GOOD MONEY.
For what it's worth, with this delay in hiring, my son, a Marine returning from Iraq will probably go get hired at a suburban dept. and not wait around any longer on the list for a slot with the city.
Do you remember when you had to be careful going to in-progress calls so that you didn't get T-BONED.You sure don't now because NOBODY ELSE IS COMING TO HELP YOU.We are so on our own now,I hate to say it but we are going to lose more P.O'S,IT'S INEVITABLE.
person at fop stated there is no det. class in the works, but there will be another sgt. class instead. call yourself and ask to be certain.
The numbers in the department keep going down but the number of exempts keeps going up! Why?
If you are a citizen and you read this YOU NEED TO BE VERY AFRAID.No matter WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD YOU LIVE IN you are not safe.We have no police out here to help you.We just give you a piece of paper and say sorry.We don't PREVENT,APPREHEND or DISCOURAGE CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.
If you are young and single I say go DEA all the way. Fuck the CPD ask anyone who has been here more that 5 yrs and they will agree. Stay away from Secret Service good guys but boring work. As for the FBI well thats on you. ATF are never hiring.
SEND A MESSAGE ON SAT,there is a SERIOUS STRAIN OF SINUS INFECTION going around from all the SHIT WE HAVE TO SMELL.We can garner national media attn when OBAMA'S STAGED PHOTO OP HAS HIM GETTING SWALLOWED UP BY THE BEAST HE CREATED.if you are detailed there and you go,but still complain about our treatment,YOU ARE A COMPLETE IDIOT.
The cities attitude towards us is "Who Cares" from the politicians down to citizens/media.Sat is OUR CHANCE to say "Who Cares" we have strength in #'S.
What kills me is when I answer 35 to 40 calls by the end of the tour, and the Sgts ask me why I have no ticket numbers, When I tell him I was to busy answering calls, he then tells me I did no work today.???????
And my response would be; "no sweat off my sac sarge, whats your point?"
FOR 50 RECRUITS IF THEY OUT SOURCED THE ACADEMY RECRUITS IT WOULD COST ABOUT 150,000 ABOUT ONE PAYCHECK THAT THE ADS MAKES. YOU WOULD FREE UP PERSONAL ALSO ANY LAWSUITS AND MISMANAGEMENT THAT ARE GOING ON RIGHT NOW! IT'S VERY EASY BUT SOMEBODY NEEDS A TAKE HOME CAR.
was on my way to a burglary in progress call on 2211's beat, passed not 1 but 2 TRU cars not doing a dam thing but driving aimlessly around mt. greenwood... what an awesome allocation of manpower!!!!!
since when are the jean police too good to take paper jobs?? last i checked their job title was the same as mine...
Buckeye drops police chief finalist, cites 'inconsistencies'
by Eric Graf - Jul. 30, 2008 10:07 AM
The Arizona Republic
After a lengthy process to find a new police chief, Buckeye has eliminated its top candidate from the running.
Town officials said they discovered "inconsistencies" in the background investigation of Ernest Brown, a veteran of the Chicago Police Department.
A four-person committee of Buckeye officials visited Chicago for two days earlier this month to dig deeper into Brown's background after he had been identified as their first choice.
Town Manager Jeanine Guy said a member of the interview panel confirmed inconsistencies in the information Brown submitted. No further details were disclosed.
"I felt that based on the information we discovered during this process, we could not continue to consider Mr. Brown for the department's top position," Guy said in a statement released Tuesday.
The town's interview panel met Wednesday7/30 morning at about 9 a.m. to discuss their next move, according Buckeye spokesman Bob Bushner.
"The fact that they're meeting this morning shows they are ready to move along," he said.
Brown was one of four finalists for the open spot after former Police Chief Dan Saban stepped down in May to run for Maricopa County sheriff.
I suspect that it might well be a good thing to just close the CPD academy and send recruits to PTI downstate, for a lot of reasons.
8/05/2008 01:00:00 PM
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Unfortunatly, the city would have to pay PTI to train its recruits.
The city doesn't pay its bills.
They didn't pay HWC since 1991 and that is why there are no role players working with recurits at the Academy an longer!
THIS WOULD NOT WORK.
DEA thoughts:
Pro:
1. better money
2. less random BS
3. not at the beck and call of anyone with a phone, a free hand or a democratic sponsor
4. better training
5. not such a high proportion of out of shape dummies
6. you are far more likely to work with a small group of trustworthy people
Con:
1. You are on the losing side of an unwinnable war
2. You will move wherever they tell you for at least your first few years, and this may be Manhattan, San Francisco, Boston or DC/NoVA
Overall, morale is generally high, but con #2 is a general sticking point as quite a few people don't like moving around often just to do the same job.
I was under the impression that they had a hiring freeze since circa 2006, but that may have recently ended.
I do hear a lt's class in the fall. Down about 27 lt's with many mandatory and antiicpated retirements of captains and lt's in the next few months. Exempts went to a merit nomination class last week.
Anonymous said...
OT: Would any of you guys leave the CPD to go work for the DEA as a special agent? Anyone on here have any insight about the morale or benefits of DEA SA? Thanks
8/05/2008 12:14:00 AM
The DEA is a good agency prone to many of the same gripes that every law enforcement agency suffers from. The DEA is probably the closest federal agency to being the police.
I have worked with several DEA agents and can verifiably say they were all decent, knowlegeable guys. The DEA also offers the many benefits of being a Federal employee.
I would say go for it, things are only going to get worse on the CPD. The 20 year and out pension is very ideal for law enforcement too.
Stay away from Secret Service,BATF,Air Marshal,US Marshal,Border Patrol
8/05/2008 06:48:00 AM
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Leave this job. Leave it now. Things are very bad here and they are only going to get worse. Leave. Get a nicer pension and more professional training. Get a nicer job after your retirement. Anywhere else is nicer than here. Don't stay here, you'll just get trapped here and you'll regret never leaving.
Go anywhere. Don't ask questions. Don't be afraid. Just leave and never look back. Don't talk to any of the people you met on this job. Don't even call here ever again. Don't live in this city. Move away. Move far away and never return.
This is the best advice you will ever get.
Why are people still making stupid ass dope pinches? Just to wear jeans, a black vest, and carry a short-stem radio? Douches.
Because we are the POLICE...wait...I am the police...you are a dog who steals money from the city. Go back to your hole and take a nap. Douche.
8/05/2008 08:10:00 AM
No...if you're still doing anything besides answering your calls, you're the douchebag.
What kills me is when I answer 35 to 40 calls by the end of the tour, and the Sgts ask me why I have no ticket numbers, When I tell him I was to busy answering calls, he then tells me I did no work today.???????
8/05/2008 10:22:00 AM
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No way are you handling that many calls in eight hours.
Excluding roll call and one half hour lunch, you cannot possibly work more than 420 minutes in a day. That means you would still be working until the last possible minute before checkoff. That never happens, so you are actually working no more than 400 minutes in one day assuming you never take a bathroom break, buy a bottle of water, or get gas.
For forty jobs that would mean you could spend no more than 10 minutes on any job. That includes driving to and handling by code or paper every single job.
There's no reason to lie to make this job sound shittier than it really is. The truth will be sufficient.
"Downtown" Ernie Brown, CPD retired, was the front runner for the new chief of police job in Buckeye, AZ, a growing town of 25,000 about 35 miles west of Phoenix.
However, after several Buckeye officials visited Chicago, "Downtown" was eliminated from consideration due to "inconsistencies" in his background.
Outside Illinois, Chicago CLOUT don't mean squat, Brown. As a bonus, the attractive young women of Buckeye will now remain safe.
we are short?? NOOOOOOOO? I didnt notice. All I do is ride around chasing the radio.
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Why do you chase? Why? Why? Why do you hurrry? Chasing sounds like you are in a hurry. Why are you in a hurry?
Jobs can wait. Criminals can wait. People shot can wait. People dead can wait. Let them wait. They should wait. They deserve to wait.
You are keeping them from waiting. They are not waiting so they believe the department is at full staff. If they waited an hour for the police, they would know we are understaffed. If they waited four hours for an emergency, they would complain that we are understaffed.
You are ruining everything with your hurrying behaviors. You ask yourself, "Why is this department like it is?" The answer is people like you keep up appearances and hide the truth.
Only 22 years (sigh)...wish I could retire NOW.
Anonymous said...
OT: Would any of you guys leave the CPD to go work for the DEA as a special agent? Anyone on here have any insight about the morale or benefits of DEA SA? Thanks
8/05/2008 12:14:00 AM
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sign up for the Postal Inspectors....best fed job there is, closest to the police you'll get.
I have to stop doing any and all detective work......way too many dics in my unit doing NOTHING, only the same few bringing in the felony arrests. Bosses look the other way and do NOTHING.
GEt rid of Daley and all the alderthieves and start new. The city will be better. And NO OLYMPICS. The city can't make payroll now, why is Daley touting a 40 billion project?????
I bailed from CPD after 7 years to go to the Feds. To sum it up, some things are better, some things are worse. Mostly better though. You take a pay cut at first, but once you hit your GS13 it is basically Lt's (or Captain's) pay equivalent. No overtime and 10 hour days is for the most part true. Any time above and beyond that is free of charge for God and Country. But shit, its not like those 10 hours are in a beat car, dealing with a backlog. There is time included to work out as part of your (included) overtime. The pension is a bit different, but they match the first 5% of your deferred comp. Yes, if you mess up, they can technically bounce you farther than from 025 to 003, but you would really have to step on your dick. It is like anything else, some goofy people who slipped through the cracks, some really good, sharp, people, and the rest fill in between.
My one piece of advice is to shop organizations carefully. I don't know about DEA, but FBI will make you move away from Chicago. Some places will hire you for specific vacancies (like chicago), so after you do your time at the academy, you could come back and not have to relocate the family (except out of the city of course). ICE is one of these agencies, that you can come back.
To sum it up, the fed job does have better pay, toys, and resources, but understand the fun days of going out and hitting the streets hard because you woke up just knowing someone was getting locked up today....those days are over. That is the trade off. Nobody does prob cause arrests (without managing to piss off the duty AUSA) unless extremely last resort situations. The simplicity of a beat car a great thing that is extremely underappreciated. Great fun and nothing follows you to the next day. Every day is a clean slate on the watch.
Bottom line, anyone with an interest should seriously consider...and I guess once you retire, they hand out $330k per year retirement gigs. So that is nice!
if they don't hire any new guys then who is going to work tac?
goofs w/ less than five yrs. on
Anonymous said...
Why are people still making stupid ass dope pinches? Just to wear jeans, a black vest, and carry a short-stem radio? Douches.
8/05/2008 12:25:00 AM
slow down salty balls just because you got turned down for tact again no need to be hatin
salty balls !!! thats funny you keep gettin those bad guys ill keep donating five bucks for your legal fee's fuckin dummy
SCC, check out the story in the Arizona Republic about Ernie Brown.
8/05/2008 07:38:00 AM
Okay I'll bite. Where is it? I can't find it.
38 & Gone. said...
The numbers in the department keep going down but the number of exempts keeps going up! Why?
8/05/2008 06:02:00 PM
OMG...'cause this is Crook County home of the democRATS.
I think the rest of the state uses PTI. Only Chicago has their own police academy these days . . .
8/05/2008 01:00:00 PM
Actually, there are a few police academies in Illinois:
CPD,
Cook Co Sheriff,
Ill State Police in Springfield,
PTI in Champaign, and
a suburban academy at the College of Dupage.
"Some day you will have to grow up and be a man, or you can quit and go back to teaching 1st graders.
8/05/2008 01:21:00 PM"
Your definition of manhood is to take it up the ass and like it.
Sorry, twinkle toes, no sale.
"Con:
1. You are on the losing side of an unwinnable war"
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Sounds familiar
I heard city wide hiring freeze until 2009
8/05/2008 12:54:00 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I know this sounds annoying, but someone might know... Are any Detectives or Sgts. classes going to made anytime soon??
Any credible info would be appreciated.
8/05/2008 01:16:00 AM
October, November. Respectively.
Anonymous said...
I think the rest of the state uses PTI. Only Chicago has their own police academy these days . . .
8/05/2008 01:00:00 PM
Actually, there are a few police academies in Illinois:
CPD,
Cook Co Sheriff,
Ill State Police in Springfield,
PTI in Champaign, and
a suburban academy at the College of Dupage.
8/05/2008 09:05:00 PM
PTI, COD and trition academies have a capacity of 52 recruits in each class. All the academies within 200 miles of Chicago are at capacity now with 4 classes a year. Even ISP opened their academy again to suburban recruits. With increased hiring by suburban departments, academies are at capacity except for Chicago. In fact, the next class of suburban recruits at Chicago academy will be very large. Chicago has no choice but to train their own if they hire again. If Chicago academy is closed, where will inservice training classes go? Seems academy is the choice for every city agency, besides police.
99 squad, coming from the north end...
the ernie brown story (kind of short) in the arizona republic: azcentral.com, search ernest brown; apparently he was a finalist for a police chief job, but city investigators found some "discrepancies" in his background....
sign up for the Postal Inspectors....best fed job there is, closest to the police you'll get.
They are in the middle of a hiring freeze as well.
the rest of the budgeted money for our alleged 13,500 officers is probably being illegally funnelled into the Obama Campaign. If not, where's it at?
Sorry DEA applicant: I have a few friends from different agencies and all say the same thing: DEA is the redheaded stepchild of the government. I always thought it would be cool. Don't listen to me or anyone else that doesn't work there. Talk to some agents, they can tell you.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Why are people still making stupid ass dope pinches? Just to wear jeans, a black vest, and carry a short-stem radio? Douches.
I don't make arrests I work 019 tactical and I do not make any pinches. And I wear what I want.
SCC, check out the story in the Arizona Republic about Ernie Brown.
8/05/2008 07:38:00 AM
completely useless post without a link.....geeze
HELLO 022ND DIST MIDNITES BT 2221. THERE IS A DEVELOPING PATTERN AGAIN IF YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF GARAGE BURGLARIES FROM OAKLEY TO HAMILTON 88TH TO 91ST ST. BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR AT LEAST 2 M/1'S PUSHING OR PULLING THOSE BLACK GARBAGE CARTS. LAST SEEN GOING EB TOWARDS THE METRA, USUALLY AROUND 2AM-6-AM. THANKS, BATMAN
That is accepatable behavior in that neck of the woods. What is so suspicious about it? Dont live in the ghetto.
To: DEA interested:
Go for it. Take a leave from here so you can come back IF you want to.
All LEA's have their politics. It is the nature of the business. Federal law enforcement is no better. Different maybe.
Also, once you are "in" Federal law enforcement, I believe you can move around. Virtually every Federal agency has some security/police function.
I hear that Postal Inspector is a nice quiet gig.
Go for it and stay safe no matter where you go.
OT: Would any of you guys leave the CPD to go work for the DEA as a special agent? Anyone on here have any insight about the morale or benefits of DEA SA? Thanks
8/05/2008 12:14:00 AM
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From I've heard, it's a messed up bureaucracy. Anybody else here have info to help this lad who desires to leave this fine organization?
To the poster of:
"Go anywhere. Don't ask questions. Don't be afraid. Just leave and never look back. Don't talk to any of the people you met on this job. Don't even call here ever again. Don't live in this city. Move away. Move far away and never return.
This is the best advice you will ever get.
"
8/05/2008 07:41:00
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I LMAO! HILARIOUS!
We hired 125 recruits this year, which is still way short of the officers retiring, but when the recruits are in the academy they try firing them over stupid stuff like sit-ups. This department makes no sense at all. Go and apply in the burbs.
thats a waste of tax money
DEA or CPD? Depends on what is important to you I suppose...
But, the former CPD Officer that went over to DEA neglected to tell you that the DEA pension stinks, agents have no contractual rights and can be, relative to CPD, easily terminated, and that agents can and often are (for the first 5 years) assigned to just about anywhere IN THE WORLD, let alone the country, with somewhat short notice (uproot your family, etc) They also get limited vacation by comparison to CPD.
On the flip side, they do make more "upfront" money through their paycehcks as opposed to a pension. They do have take home cars. They are trained very well.
Rumor has it that they are currently recruiting/hiring after a long freeze...My thoughts are go for it if you are single and enjoy the idea of living on the border between the United States and Mexico for the next five years or so...very few recruits are assigned anywhere else without a phone call...
i just love these gang and tac guys going out and thinking that what they do is actually appreciated....
the bosses only want to keep their spots and help you out with those trr's because it makes THEIR lives easier.
hats off to ya for grabbing that occasional gun or the ever faithful 1811 or 2027, you are really helping YOURSELF
when are you going to understand that the work you do IS NOT comspensated, that you are paid the same as any uniform guy out there
yea its nice to work a shorter day, you can look at it as your compensation, but as a current gang guy I have to tell you that it just doesnt matter
this city WANTS you to justify all the MILLIONS of dollars that they paid out to these shithead families, they want you to be procactive, because being so will get you jammed up, hence justifying the payouts
the hard working tax paying citizens of this city appreciate our being out there, i firmly believe that, so they are the ones getting my service
please stop thinking about yourself and join the team, we have to stick together, answer the calls for service and back each other up, we are all we have.
This department is a joke. I am almost embarrassed to tell anyone I work here. Well, I don't exactly "work" anymore, but I show up. Do the bare minimum....no more. Let crime run rampid. Then after Dumbass Daley has nowhere near enpough policemen to bring the city back in order, he can cower and plea to the military for their help.
Maybe J-Fed canceled the class, so he could bring in 150 or so FBI Agents as recruits.
Send all the new jacks to Quantico, Jody!
Historically, that's where we send our morons with clout.
Next group at the academy is gonna be another LTs class, in-service LT has been lining up guest speakers and agencies (i.e. IPRA) and IDQC is reviewing LT classe's lessons plans. I say by the end of September.
Anonymous said...
For what it's worth, with this delay in hiring, my son, a Marine returning from Iraq will probably go get hired at a suburban dept. and not wait around any longer on the list for a slot with the city.
8/05/2008 05:54:00 PM
Has he considered reenlisting? He should also consider a dept. in the state he is stationed in. Semper Fidelis!
Anonymous said...
If you are young and single I say go DEA all the way. Fuck the CPD ask anyone who has been here more that 5 yrs and they will agree. Stay away from Secret Service good guys but boring work. As for the FBI well thats on you. ATF are never hiring.
8/05/2008 06:07:00 PM
The Diplomatic Security Service(DSS) is great. Also, check out The Department of Energy.
Trust me...we don't want what CPD has put on the list to be hired. This girl I know that is on the list to be hired when CPD starts recruit classes is NOT QUALIFIED!! I would never want to sit next to her in a beat car because she would get you killed. She WILL get hired though because she knows someone in personnel. Hey, isn't that nepotism? Maybe J-Fed should hear about this.
everybody see that tagging at osceola and cornellia. and yet no new hires.
signed a po thats looking to leave after 7 years.
8/05/2008 05:25:00 PM
That's what you get when you live in the Ghetto. Start looking 20 blocks to the north.
Next group at the academy is gonna be another LTs class, in-service LT has been lining up guest speakers and agencies (i.e. IPRA) and IDQC is reviewing LT classe's lessons plans. I say by the end of September.
JODY. BE LIKE OW WILSON..PROMOTE EVERYONE........NEED MORE SGTS LT'S
Leave while your still young. I did after 3 1/2 years in the west side dealing with the savage and all the bullshit. Now I'm kicking doors and hunting down fugutives for a living, U.S. Marshals Service, I love it. Academy was only 4 months long and didn't have to pay for shit, everything was issued to me. I cashed everything out, pension,comp time, deffered comp. I got a nice fat check from the city. When I went to HQ to resign from my leave of absence the lady at personnel asked me "Are you sure?" "It'll be harder to get back in if you resign and decide to come back" I laughed in her face and told her this was the best decision I've ever made in my life and would never come back, especially the way things are going now. The Sarge at personnel didn't even ask to see me, he just signed my PAR, I handed them my star and ID and said "Adios" I sold my condo and got out Shitcago for good. So get out while you can. Even if you leave and don't like where you're at you can always go to other departments or agencies(local,Feds)There are a ton of opportunities out there. Good luck, be safe.
For what it's worth, with this delay in hiring, my son, a Marine returning from Iraq will probably go get hired at a suburban dept. and not wait around any longer on the list for a slot with the city.
8/05/2008 05:54:00 PM
glad he made it back safe, tell him to take the job in the suburb, but don't give up on the city a lot of guys come back and want to work in chicago.
Anonymous said...
HELLO 022ND DIST MIDNITES BT 2221. THERE IS A DEVELOPING PATTERN AGAIN IF YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF GARAGE BURGLARIES FROM OAKLEY TO HAMILTON 88TH TO 91ST ST. BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR AT LEAST 2 M/1'S PUSHING OR PULLING THOSE BLACK GARBAGE CARTS. LAST SEEN GOING EB TOWARDS THE METRA, USUALLY AROUND 2AM-6-AM. THANKS, BATMAN
That is accepatable behavior in that neck of the woods. What is so suspicious about it? Dont live in the ghetto.
8/06/2008 12:41:00 AM
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The number of garage burglaries there would get cut in half, maybe more, if the liberals in that neighborhood would shut their garage doors at night. When we used to assign a car on midnights to go around and shut the doors, the people would bitch and moan that we are finally doing something for a living.
While the neighborhood is still nice there, it won't stay that way for long unless the neighbors quit hating the police so much. A lot of beefs from the neighborhood come in from there, and from all races, I might add, whenever anyone tries to do pro-active policing. It's almost like the ghetto over there in one respect: when people bitch about pro-active policing, that type of policing stops, and crime goes up.
Be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.
Why do you chase? Why? Why? Why do you hurrry? Chasing sounds like you are in a hurry. Why are you in a hurry?
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Drive at a safe speed. No reason to get yourself killed in a traffic accident over a run of the mill call. Its not like you will ever run out of calls.
"completely useless post without a link.....geeze
8/06/2008 12:22:00 AM"
Ever heard of 'Google'?
Heard that the same day J-Fed cancelled the supposed October class was the same day a new ex FBI stooge started with the Department. New FBI stooge is assigned to IAD. Be careful boys and girls they are not our friends.
real nice, China fields 100,000 police for Olympics, Chicago maybe can put 5000 in the field!!!
China builds a NEW transportation system, Chicago can't maintain our existing one! Oldest in the nation???
We have better air qaulity if your not at Bud Billiken!!!
500-700 retire from CPD with experience and knowledge every year, City replaces them with 150 College Kids who couldn't get a decent job in private sector!
Our Boom Town is a bust!
This is a soon to be Detroit!
WE ARE ROYALLY !@#$%^
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Why are people still making stupid ass dope pinches? Just to wear jeans, a black vest, and carry a short-stem radio? Douches.
8/05/2008 12:25:00 AM
slow down salty balls just because you got turned down for tact again no need to be hatin
8/05/2008 03:31:00 PM
STUPID BASTARD!!! THERE ARE MORE EX-TACT OFFICERS WITH MORE EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE ON THE WATCHES NOW THAN EVER!!!
ENJOY YOUR BUD BILLIKEN, DID IT FOR 10 YEARS, BRING A SANDWICH OR 2, POP, WATER AND A SHITTER WITH YOU!!!NO BREAKS NEW GUY!!!!
Anonymous said...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
Why are people still making stupid ass dope pinches? Just to wear jeans, a black vest, and carry a short-stem radio? Douches.
8/05/2008 12:25:00 AM
slow down salty balls just because you got turned down for tact again no need to be hatin
8/05/2008 03:31:00 PM
STUPID BASTARD!!! THERE ARE MORE EX-TACT OFFICERS WITH MORE EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE ON THE WATCHES NOW THAN EVER!!!
ENJOY YOUR BUD BILLIKEN, DID IT FOR 10 YEARS, BRING A SANDWICH OR 2, POP, WATER AND A SHITTER WITH YOU!!!NO BREAKS NEW GUY!!!!
8/06/2008 10:59:00 PM
damn i wrote that and whats funny is im on the watch...i get a kick out of how you asshats get your blood pressure all high when someone mentions tact, gang, jeans, backwards hats, short stem radios, making an arrest etc etc...but hey at least i got my laugh
HELLO 022ND DIST MIDNITES BT 2221. THERE IS A DEVELOPING PATTERN AGAIN IF YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF GARAGE BURGLARIES FROM OAKLEY TO HAMILTON 88TH TO 91ST ST. BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR AT LEAST 2 M/1'S PUSHING OR PULLING THOSE BLACK GARBAGE CARTS. LAST SEEN GOING EB TOWARDS THE METRA, USUALLY AROUND 2AM-6-AM. THANKS, BATMAN
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Holy you live next door to the alderman, Batman! And this type of nightly malfeasance is still occurring? How could this be?
Are you sure they were men of colour? Many Italians and Irish tan dark....
"...but hey at least i got my laugh
8/07/2008 03:24:00 AM"
And, to you, that's all that matters, right?
Anonymous said...
Next group at the academy is gonna be another LTs class, in-service LT has been lining up guest speakers and agencies (i.e. IPRA) and IDQC is reviewing LT classe's lessons plans. I say by the end of September.
8/06/2008 08:02:00 AM
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Not if the court grants the injunction the sergeant's association is asking for in their lawsuit.
Leave while your still young. I did after 3 1/2 years in the west side dealing with the savage and all the bullshit. Now I'm kicking doors and hunting down fugutives for a living, U.S. Marshals Service, I love it. Academy was only 4 months long and didn't have to pay for shit, everything was issued to me. I cashed everything out, pension,comp time, deffered comp. I got a nice fat check from the city. When I went to HQ to resign from my leave of absence the lady at personnel asked me "Are you sure?" "It'll be harder to get back in if you resign and decide to come back" I laughed in her face and told her this was the best decision I've ever made in my life and would never come back, especially the way things are going now. The Sarge at personnel didn't even ask to see me, he just signed my PAR, I handed them my star and ID and said "Adios" I sold my condo and got out Shitcago for good. So get out while you can. Even if you leave and don't like where you're at you can always go to other departments or agencies(local,Feds)There are a ton of opportunities out there. Good luck, be safe.
8/06/2008 02:57:00 PM
I understand everything you wrote and can see that you found the grass to be greener on the FED side of the fence, but one thing does puzzle me. Why was it necessary to laugh in the face of the woman at Personnel? What did she ever do to you? She asked the question because, like it or not, most that leave CPD do try to come back, at some point in time. Sounds like she was merely trying to be helpful, and you acted like a jagoff. Yep, you are a FED.
Moan"-ique I-Bond said...
Lets set the record straight! We DO NOT need to hire any more officers at this time! There are two officers in each car.... that's a waste of manpower! One of them can handle a job and the second one can go handle another job. In "The Dark Knight", I learned that Batman's car actually has a big motorcycle inside it, so I propose that when a "10-4" car gets to an assignment..... the passenger officer hits the "thingamajiggy" that makes the "whatchamcallit" into a motorcycle and then he/she can take the motorcycle part and go handle another job! I'm gonna go make up a press release! Toodles!
8/05/2008 02:37:00 PM
When I read this comment, I laughed out loud and got a tear in each eye! This was my big chuckle for the day! Thank you to the author! You did well!
To the CPD or DEA question.
I was with CPD from 1994 to 2001, on LOA from 2001 to 2005, and resigned in 2005. I left in 2001 to go with Department of Defense (NCIS) and loved it. Traveled the world, went to the Middle East a few times, was assigned to some great task forces, and worked some good cases. In 2008 I had enough of the last minute travel plans made by my Uncle (Uncle Sam) and switched over to the Postal Inspectors. A lot slower than NCIS and CPD but I guess safer and a good living. As for the Fed; our pension sucks, we work 10 hour days, don't have OT, can't work side jobs, we all don't get take home cars (actually many of the agencies are parking the the G-Rides), lots of "never been the police wanna bees" working in the G, no esprite decorps what so ever, and most training is ok. Those are pretty much the the down sides I can think of now. There are benifits; no King Richard II, live were you want, travel if you want it. no more CPD merit BS to deal with, ect. An old CPD academy classmate is with the DEA in LA and is ok. Stay safe always and good luck with your choice.
Just wanted to say thanks to all those that posted feedback about the DEA/Feds...
Okay, I get that it's a lousy detail. Been there. Going again this year.
But burning a furlough segment just to avoid ONE DAY in August? Much too much drama.
"And, to you, that's all that matters, right?
8/07/2008 10:41:00 AM"
Maybe.
"8/08/2008 02:19:00 AM"
Wait 'till Sunday morning before you reach that conclusion.
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