Someone Owes Us an Apology
Hold on, roumors spread faster on this department and on this blog faster than the clap in a whorehouse. Lets see Mon/Tues. One of the FOP might just come on here and confirm/deny.
I'm calling B.S.
NOT true. Sounds like a fun rumor to start- but never happened. Good try though!
Your entertaining of the ridiculous rumors is really making this blog look like shit. I understand the whole rumor mill, but you are obviously giving these morons fuel to make up more crap. File these away and bring them out later when they become true.
And as it turns out, the blog was 100% accurate - proven by this FOP posting.
Listen up readers - we know that quite a bit of what goes on in the comment section is BS. We've stated in numerous posts that nothing here can be proven to come from actual police officers and we've come to terms with the fact that people will treat this like a bathroom wall at times.
We attempt to weed out the craziest crap. We read it all. As trained BS detectors though, we can pick out some things that ring true or bear a bit of investigation, which is why we asked for information on this incident.
In short, don't blame the blog for crazy stories. Coppers have been telling them since the beginning of time.
Listen up readers - we know that quite a bit of what goes on in the comment section is BS. We've stated in numerous posts that nothing here can be proven to come from actual police officers and we've come to terms with the fact that people will treat this like a bathroom wall at times.
We attempt to weed out the craziest crap. We read it all. As trained BS detectors though, we can pick out some things that ring true or bear a bit of investigation, which is why we asked for information on this incident.
In short, don't blame the blog for crazy stories. Coppers have been telling them since the beginning of time.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
47 Comments:
A feeble attempt by the City to raise morale- just kidding
I bet the City feels that the FOP has a controlling hnad on plummeting morale and activity
Officers, for the sake of your union. Do only what's required of you!!! This is the most dispicable thing I've ever heard.
Very simple, THEY SHOULD HAVE QUALIFIED WHEN ORDERED TO! They still technically have Management to answer to with a Sgt, Lt and Commander in detached services.
When elected to the position and then CHOSEN to work in the FOP office they are DETAILED to detached services, they are still first and foremost Chicago Police Officers and they are Governed by our GO's and Rules and Regs. Besides the fact that common sense would dictate being qualified on a determined weapon is a GOOD THING and stops a lot of B.S., such as they are experiencing now.
BTW, it is now gonna cost us the membership $ to fight this B.S. in court and at arbitration.
Dearest SCC:
I, Sir(s) am the individual who made the “Hold on...Bla Bla Bla…Clap in a whore house…Bla Bla Bla..” comment. And to you(s), I will extend a heart felt “Son of a Bitch, it wasn’t a rumor!” apology.
I, in the future, will tend to be a little less skeptical. And if at sometime in the future, we meet, I got the first round!
They were probably NOT stripped of their police powers for not qualifying with their duty weapon. They WERE probably stripped for DISOBEYING A DIRECT ORDER that was given to them to qualify. Disregarding a direct order is also a terminable offense from the CPD. My question is that with all the "free" time these FOP guys have and all the extra money they are making as elected officials (so they aren't working side jobs to survive) why haven't they qualified?
For those who know me, I am not a go by the rules type of cop but why go through all this bullshit when 1hr of your time, using your FOP take home car and FOP gas card to get there to just qualify? And please don't use the bullshit excuse that your working on our new contract. If that was the case, we would have one already!
I can't believe the stuff I have been reading on this blog written by our fellow officers and fraternal members. You idiots are missing the point!! We must fight the City ANYTIME they violate the contract!! It is our lifeblood. Without it we are NOTHING!! J-Fool thinks he can break this union, don't you morons see!!! He has never had to deal with this as an administrator and it is killing him. The more he pushes the more the grievances roll in. He sees he can't win so now he becomes J-Pimp. We are winning. If you don't like the FOP members involved then vote them out!! This issue is larger than the guys involved. This is direct intimidation by the City. Who gives a shit about State qualifications, this is about OUR CONTRACT. If you goofs were ever a member of a union before you became the police you wouldn't be talking like idiots on here. We all need to stick together on this one!!
I'm calling B.S.
8/18/2008 02:01:00 AM
holy non-union union busting!
sorry.
Lotta big changes gonna occur later this week.
Have these four qualified in past years, while serving as FOP? If so, then go qualify. If not a blatant harassment by the department.
I believe Arbitrator Benn has sided with patrolmen slightly better in the past and am keeping my fingers crossed.
Because if all these shenanigans are happening hopefully it will open his eyes to see the top players regular mentality of "we are taking our ball and going home cause you don't play by my rules even though I just made up my rules"
Lets Hope!!!!
WoW, how quick the FOP is to file a grievance when its their top echelon. How fast do they file on behalf of the regular joe-smoe-no-clout-unconnected po???
I think it blows but I still think ANY miscarriage of justice blow when the city behaves this way but just found it rather interesting how quick they were to respond!!!!
I'm sorry.
If they don't take this one to the media, they're softer than puppy shit. The city is trying to play hardball and union bust. Now, more than ever, it's time to stick together and demand what we have coming from this city run by a pack of thieves.
How much of our union dues are going to be spent fighting this? How much attention is going to be taken away from the job they're supposed to be doing...getting us a contract?
This is so typical of people who get a spot. They think they're above eveyone else. Go fucking qualify so that stupid shit like this doesn't take up time and money from what needs to be done to get the cops in this city a fucking contract.
Dear SCC:
Take it from a longtime reader of your blog that we, the men and women of the Chicago Police Department and their families really APPRECIATE all of your efforts. Most of your readers know that your blog is not password protected and anyone who stumbles upon your site can post something, true or false. Your analogy of the bathroom wall is soooooooo appropriate. I fondly remember the smile on my face as I would go to the old traffic court at 321 N. LaSalle or Loop Traffic HQ at 54 W. Hubbard and see "Rimkus Sucks" scrawled on the shithouse wall. I was actually impressed that someone had the determination to put this stuff in EVERY bathroom wall.
This guy who does the Ritchie Scotchbreath postings (who we all think is the same handjob who was also bitching about the Carroll/Midway Airport mess) only wishes he could get as much coverage as whomever did those old bathroom stalls of yore.
This blog does a tremendous job of keeping the department members, citizens and even the hated media up to date of all the goings-on in the city. Contract negotiations, lack of leadership in the depertment, shootings and even good old-fashioned gossip are there for all to read. Bad cops? The media doesn't have to wait til the next scandal erupts, the straight shooters and honest, decent cops will out them in a heartbeat.
I watched National Geographic's "Chicago Mob Takedown" and it inferred that cops, judges and politicians were all available for bribes, being bought and sold like Roosevelt Road whores. While they talked about corrupt lawyers, pols and judges being controlled by the Outfit, they never implicated ANY policemen and I think that in this day and age your blog would bring any illicit activity out into the limelight.
Thank you for an excellent job. Your faithful readers really know we will get the straight dope from you and a lot of fun and humor to boot! Keep it coming.
Several points need to be made concerning the FOP representatives NOT being qualified to carry weapons:
1. The representatives of FOP are STILL sworn police officers, so if one of them were involved in a shooting, who would grant them indemnification/insure them.
2. The City makes pension contributions for FOP field representatives.
3. The FOP representatives are involved in the City health insurance plan.
4. To my knowledge FOP field representatives are mandated to appear for random drug testing, should they be called.
5. THE FOP HAS NOT REFUNDED THE MONEY OWED TO THE CITY CONCERNING FOP SALARIES FOR YEARS. THE FOP OWES THE CITY BETWEEN 1.5 AND 2 MILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY PERTAINING TO FOP SALARIES.
6. A MAJOR LEAGAL QUESTION EXISTS AS TO WHETHER FOP REPRESENTATIVES COULD BE CHARGED WITH U.U.W. THEY ARE NOT RETIREED, SO THEY ARE NOT COVERED BY H.R. 218!
I assume the responsibility would be the Union's. The economics of issues regarding the City and the Union are critical to evaluate. Does the Union really want to get get in a pissing match over this during negotiations? This was not the right issue to take management on considering contract negotiations. Please, FOP guys just go qualify.
This is no more than typical Power Play. You want to screw with the rank and file, you screw with those who represent them.
The method of communication is clear. weis thinks he can bully us, bully our union, and force us to play his game by changing the rules in the middle.
The key is to fight back. Stand up for yourself. This is to say that you as a Blue Shirt must dictate the game rules. This administration has already turned us against each other. The mistrust between the rank and file is 10x what it was a year ago. Paranoia is running deep.
Since when have we done this job for them...we have always done it for us. We have always done the job on our terms, but now a line is drawn in the sand and we are sitting here bitching about it and doing nothing proactive. This should be a sign.
Daley has got to realize his mistake. Bringing a boy from Philadelphia, some hot shot fed to run a Department filled with homegrown potential leadership that was ignored by him was a slap in the face to every copper that has eaten lunch on the hood of a squad, or had to change clothes in the garage for fear of roaches infesting his home, or dredge through a foot of snow to get to a domestic a block away, or sitting in the middle of "celebrants" trying to quell a riot, or even been spat upon. There are inumerous amounts of experiences, both positive and negative, and a certain understanding of what it is to be the Police, needed to lead Chicago Police. Weis possesses none of them as I see it.
As soon as he is forced to swallow his bull shit pride and admit he made a mistake, then we can get a real boss in there to motivate, and revitalize this dying department. It's ok we all make mistakes, but WE correct them
What do you think about that?
These guys say they are technically on leave and not being paid by the department.
Were they carrying their stars and weapons?
If so, what is so goddamn difficult about walking a few blocks to the academy range and qualifying?
as they said "this is a direct attack on our union."
so what are they going to do about it?
absolutely nothing
I hope this action finally wakes up the FOP. The city has been and will be on full attack mode at all times.
To Lodge 7 FOP President Donahue, Wake Up!!!!!!!!!! Get some airtime and start negotiating through the media. Whatever dirty tricks you have up your sleeve start using them. The city of shitcago and its politicians do not deserve the men and women of this police force. They deserve chaos and anarchy.
I wish we could go on strike. I know I would in a hearbeat. I wouldn't even blink or lose 5 seconds of sleep. I'm sure I'm not alone.
Just a couple of questions a lot of other folks should be asking:
In the minds of the brass. Since the contract expired, is there essentially no contract?
If there is no contract, would this leave them to do as they wish in violating whatever rights we have?
Is this all just political payback for the lack of productivity or Bella's stand against the "Daley Days"?
Is this an overt and moronic attempt at "union busting"? (Yes, I know we have a Fraternal Organization not a Union.)
If the FOP's executive board is put on the grill, then what could possibly happen to the Blue shirt on the street?
Note every violation of the current contract, even the little shit, and when applicable grieve it. The city is now playing hardball and will go out of their way to stick it in your arse! Be careful boys and girls, the city just threw a curveball. Are you prepared to hit it?
When someone retires after 20,30, 40 yrs on the job and wants to carry a weapon, the must qualify once a year. No problem.
FOP officials take a "leave". Do they turn in their stars and IDs? Do they still have power of arrest? I don't know. But IF they wish to carry and/or they still have the power of arrest, then, THEY SHOULD QUALIFY ONCE A YEAR just like everyone else.
Same with the exempt, either your the police or you ain't, and there are are lot of ain'ts out there.
I'm not a CPD officer, just a civilian lurker. From my perspective, it's bizarre that the Union representatives would want to be able to carry weapons, but refuse to qualify. Are they carrying weapons while they are working as union reps?
Have the reps agreed to qualify before this, and this is the first time they've refused?
I guess a lot depends on just how the this screwy deal is structured. If they are not employees of the city of Chicago 9as I seem to recall a post elsewhere stated), they may not be covered under the contract.
if they are still city employees, one would think the same rules would apply to them as would apply to any other city employee in the same position.
I don't know what the state law is about annual qualification, but if it is required, and they didn't do it primarily to thumb their noses at someone, they just got a big wakeup call on why it is not real productive to burn your bridges for no good reason.
I hope the union puts their heels in the mud and makes things very difficult for this department. Re: the contract ask for the world and settle for nothing less. Let the arbitrator decide!
If there is no contract, would this leave them to do as they wish in violating whatever rights we have?
**You follow the old contract until the new one comes into play.
"Attack on the union , my ass"
What's the big deal? Go shoot!
It's not like the FOP bosses don't have any spare time on their hands.
If you don't qualify once a year, you cannot be a police officer in Illinois. How this qualifies as an "Attack on the union" is beyond all common sense.
Get off your lazy overpaid asses and go shoot.
Anonymous said...
Officers, for the sake of your union. Do only what's required of you!!! This is the most dispicable thing I've ever heard.
8/19/2008 12:15:00 AM
This is a tactic known as "union busting" the fop is not great but is better than letting the city control every aspect of our careers! A slowdown if we get much slower we will have flowers planted on us! After Cozzi,Mette, and now this stevie wonder could see what is going on here! daley wants the union gone, so he can continue his criminalinc spree! Sorry mister mayor I will come to work on time in clean clothes, respond to all jobs, and without a doubt back up fellow officers and their families 150%. For every action you make delay there is always a reaction what will that be? How about hand wavers I will wave back if I see them, tickets "I don't see any stikin violations," arrest only on a "signed" complaint! Cars impounded yea ok! Now mayor your turn we need a decent contract, stop screwing with the union, less inspectors (waste of money), better cars that are not ready for the junk yard, computers that work, batteries and radios that last, 10 hour workdays, and most importantly COMPETANT PEOPLE AT THE EXEMPT LEVEL AND MOST OF ALL YOUR RESIGNATION AS YOUR A FAILURE MAYOR DALEY THANK YOU!
fop is just like france. French order of pussies
Anonymous said...
WoW, how quick the FOP is to file a grievance when its their top echelon. How fast do they file on behalf of the regular joe-smoe-no-clout-unconnected po???
I think it blows but I still think ANY miscarriage of justice blow when the city behaves this way but just found it rather interesting how quick they were to respond!!!!
8/19/2008 02:23:00 AM
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Do you know how long this must have been going on for the arbitration hearing to be next week? It takes forever to get an arbitration date. The city must have decided to fuck with them this way OUTSIDE the regular process, just as the arbitrator was about to hear the case. Obviously they knew they would lose with the arbitrator. Hey, just like Cozzi--change the rules to suit yourself!!
Why the hell do we have to operate under the old contract? The very second it expired, we should have all stayed home. Let J-Fed and his stooges try to police this shithole.
off topic
the only reason sgt. degenhardt is in charge of the new animal abuse team is because he cried to the Pritzker family and our useless politicians, mainly Ed Burke, and threatened to sue the city over his medical stint. And he is already boasting that he will become a Commander. Must be nice to have clout...
I apologize... But still come on, you do entertain a lot of b.s. :)
RE FOP: Go qualify like everyone else and work on our contract.
As far as JFed & co., they (and city hall) are doing whatever they can to bust up the union and its members. It was a pussy move on their part. No matter what we think about the qualification BS, WE MUST STICK TOGETHER. We must remain one in order to remain strong.
Two things, if they disobeyed a direct order then the department is correct in what they are doing. Second, what were they thinking??? In my opinion it is just further proof of how out of touch these reps are with the rest of us. What made them feel so superior that they didn't have to qualify? Maybe, just maybe, mark and the rest will stop being such city hall pansies and will start aggressively doing their jobs. It's just to bad it took one of their own (since they aren't "us") to get them fired up..
I just dont understand what these FOP guys were thinking..Ya left yourselves open to get jammed up by J-FED..I went to a private range over the weekend and fired 500 rounds thru my duty weapon..Lotsa fun!Gotta go do some reloading.
You know, Fuck Weis and whoever the group of jagoffs that are advising him on matters, but WTF, go qualify already.
Are these FOP fucks to good, busy, etc. to qualify? Don't come to the rank and file, especially during election time, and say you're one of us and then act like you're not. Or that you're above it all.
Now these FOP assholes are unable to concentrate on getting us a new contract. They gotta spend all their time trying to save their asses. Nice job.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I can't believe the stuff I have been reading on this blog written by our fellow officers and fraternal members. You idiots are missing the point!! We must fight the City ANYTIME they violate the contract!! It is our lifeblood. Without it we are NOTHING!! J-Fool thinks he can break this union, don't you morons see!!! He has never had to deal with this as an administrator and it is killing him. The more he pushes the more the grievances roll in. He sees he can't win so now he becomes J-Pimp. We are winning. If you don't like the FOP members involved then vote them out!! This issue is larger than the guys involved. This is direct intimidation by the City. Who gives a shit about State qualifications, this is about OUR CONTRACT. If you goofs were ever a member of a union before you became the police you wouldn't be talking like idiots on here. We all need to stick together on this one!!
8/19/2008 01:32:00 AM
I AGREE WITH YOU 100% BROTHER. THE CITY HAS DECLARED A WAR UPON US.
I was Union before getting on. This is nothing more than the city trying to bust the FOP. To all those against our ELECTED FOP Officials quit crying and do something about it, like VOTING next time around. Yes I vote EVERY SINGLE TIME, be it FOP or the general elections. VOTE and get out the vote!!!! Hello you are in AMERICA.
For those who know me, I am not a go by the rules type of cop but why go through all this bullshit when 1hr of your time, using your FOP take home car and FOP gas card to get there to just qualify? And please don't use the bullshit excuse that your working on our new contract. If that was the case, we would have one already!
8/19/2008 01:12:00 AM
Hey Shortstuff,
There are no FOP take home cars or gas cards. Only Donahue has a car and its old.
I apologize... But still come on, you do entertain a lot of b.s. :)
We admit it almost monthly. Check the archives. But we've broken some damn big stories here, too.
Ever since jodi took over.. SCC has become boring. and lackluster with poor leadership on issues ..gone are the days from SCC, spicy ,well written , informative threads ..to a rehash from Sneed or others..
Is SCC afraid of jodi ??????
off topic
the only reason sgt. degenhardt is in charge of the new animal abuse team is because he cried to the Pritzker family and our useless politicians, mainly Ed Burke, and threatened to sue the city over his medical stint. And he is already boasting that he will become a Commander. Must be nice to have clout...
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Come check out my t-shirt bitch.
it says
GOT CLOUT?
Now STFU, get in your car and go answer your calls until your 30 minute lunch.
"the only reason sgt. degenhardt is in charge of the new animal abuse team is because he cried to the Pritzker family and our useless politicians, mainly Ed Burke, and threatened to sue the city over his medical stint. And he is already boasting that he will become a Commander. Must be nice to have clout..."
Didnt they have a benefit for this guy not too long ago???
2 many of u just don't get it, THIS is not about going to qualify. It is all about just plain f#*&ing with the union/fraternal organization. Take a look in all of the front offices at the prima donna's who don't bother to JUST GO SHOOT and when do any of them ever even get any type of discipline? What part of never trust a fed don't u get? Or u can all just go to another of his meetings and take notes while u are at it again.
anonymous said...
"the only reason sgt. degenhardt is in charge of the new animal abuse team is because he cried to the Pritzker family and our useless politicians, mainly Ed Burke, and threatened to sue the city over his medical stint. And he is already boasting that he will become a Commander. Must be nice to have clout..."
Didnt they have a benefit for this guy not too long ago???
8/19/2008 10:01:00 PM
Hey dumped some good guys with NO warning. Nice.
Anonymous said...
"the only reason sgt. degenhardt is in charge of the new animal abuse team is because he cried to the Pritzker family and our useless politicians, mainly Ed Burke, and threatened to sue the city over his medical stint. And he is already boasting that he will become a Commander. Must be nice to have clout..."
Didnt they have a benefit for this guy not too long ago???
8/19/2008 10:01:00 PM
You mean edde burke has the power? He has how many new crown police spec crown vics? How many bodyguards? How many $500,000 blue cameras on his little mansion? Come to think of it he has the power to do whatever he wants just like daley!
Keep it going SCC! Love this blog! I retired in Jan 08 and love all the interaction and chest beating! Lots of egos flying constantly! Every one is the "real police!" More fun than a "barrel of monkies!" Jody boy is toast! He should pack his bags cause "the fat lady is singing loud and clear!" Be careful out there and try not to doing anything stupid! Always remember, "nothing personal just business!" Get home safe and drink some "white whiskey!"
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