Camera Saves a Beef?
Anyone who can expound upon this incident?
- scc,
i know this will get buried in this post, but let the troops know: the in car camera has saved a southside p.o. from an excessive force beef. the kid was never touched, ran from the po-po and busted his OWN face when he fell. next day, he's in the station with the family, saying the po-lice did it. so, yes, the cameras are saving p.o.'s.
One incident does not create a trend. And we'd like to see if anyone was prosecuted for False Reports or signing the Sworn Affidavit. Just because one person may have been saved the inconvenience of dropping a To-From, without a vigorous prosecution of the false allegation, nothing is prevented in the long run.
With the video, even a Cook County ASA could win the case.
With the video, even a Cook County ASA could win the case.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
52 Comments:
Video in the car saved me from a racial verbal abuse beef. Asshole Korean came into the station complaining I called him a gook and other names on a stop.
He was the aggressor and I didn't say shit other than the usual stuff said on a stop.
The video was uploaded and watched by the W/C, Desk and my Sector Sergeants. My side of the story held and I asked for a DVD of the stop for court and my records.
He said something about it being illegal to tape someone, but it ended at that.
Maybe it worked this time, but we all know the camera is mostly to discipline us, how many cameras were installed in daley's detail cars? How about eddie burkes? HOW MANY??
anyone care to correct me if i'm wrong? DICK devine said he will NOT prosecute for signing an affidavit knowing the complaint is b.s.
I worked in the burbs before the city. I have mixed feelings about the cameras, but I will say this. They can save your ass at times. You have to be smart about working around them, but they can be your friend in situations like this.
Just think of all the savage behavior we deal with. Well, now it can be captured by the camera for the people in court to see. Use it to your advantage.
How many coppers have been jammed up by the in car cams? Zero.
How many coppers have been jammed up by GPS? Zero. GPS has been around for about two years now, just now in mass.
This is true. I know for a fact this same scenario played out in the 006th Dist. When is someone going to file suit on the policemans behalf. City is so happy and accomadating to the police beefer, now what about affording the same courtesy to the officer.
This is true. I know for a fact this same scenario played out in the 006th Dist. When is someone going to file suit on the policemans behalf. City is so happy and accomadating to the police beefer, now what about affording the same courtesy to the officer.
9/16/2008 06:27:00 AM
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You can sue for defamation. Maybe get a orangie pop and a spicey pickle out of the deal.
THAT WOULD BE TOOOO MUCH TROUBLE 4 A WHITE SHIRT. ITS EASIER FOR THE BOSSES TO JUST LET IT FADE AWAY AND NOT DO ANY EXTRA WORK.
WHY DO U THINK SGT RARELY IN BUSY DISTRICY GIVE HONORABLE MENTION....
B CUZ ITS EXTRA WORK
at my place of employment everyword spoken word and every movment made is recorded. it is for my protection. just play by the rules. no problem. i can't understand why tape is so hard to to deal with for so many people. is it that hard to not f*ck up?
yeah, big deal, is the City and the States Attorney going after the kid and his family for false allegations vs. the P.O? The family should have to pay thousands for this B.S. Should be charged and made an example of. But they will eventually let him slide cause of the wimpy Liberal DemocRAT one-sided system here. Therefore, it will keep happening, even though the kid obviously lied, no responsibility will be incurred to him or his family.
Keep your video, Big Brother. I'll take my chances with a C.R.
17 sep cameras go up in 14, cant wait....
Someone please help me wityh this one. I read this comment and am curious about it:
anyone care to correct me if i'm wrong? DICK devine said he will NOT prosecute for signing an affidavit knowing the complaint is b.s.
9/16/2008 02:23:00 AM
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If Dick Devine refuses to prosecute, is that a violation of a person's (officer's) civil rights?
If IAD refuses to arrest after an allegation is found to be false, is that deprivng a person (officer) of police service?
If the FOP refuses to help an officer follow through on any action against the "false complainer"/the CC SAO/IAD, is that a violation of a member's rights as a due paying memeber?
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Just curious what rights we have as offcicers (second class citizens in Chicago).
... When is someone going to file suit on the policemans behalf. City is so happy and accomadating to the police beefer, now what about affording the same courtesy to the officer.
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It's NOT going to happen! What does the city have to gain by prosecuting false accusations against the police? Absolutely nothing!
Just think about all the ridiculously stupid complaints that OPS and now the IPRA take from people. Part of the problem is that the city does not require an affidavit to be signed before a complaint can be made. A signed affidavit is only required to have that complaint investigated.
The only reason that the city is using an affidavit at all is because it is now state law.
Yea and my uncle Waldo smoked 3 packs a day and lived to 100 and Hitler was great with dogs. Look at the big picture. The original post must be from one of the cracker jack in car camera staff, that by the way got a dept. commendation for their service. Please don't piss on my head and tell me its raining.
Off topic but important------HR 418
Several felony charges were filed in South Dakota this morning against a Seattle police officer who shot and wounded a Hells Angels member during a fight inside a Sturgis bar earlier this month.
Other officers who were with smith were each charged with carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. They include: Scott Lazalde, 38, of Bellingham; James Rector, 44, of Ferndale, Whatcom County; Erik Pingel, 35, of Aurora, Colo.; and Seattle police Sgt. Dennis McCoy, 49, of Seattle. Lazalde and Rector are members of U.S. Customs and Border Inspection in Blaine.
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well lets be real SCC, Cook County ASAs cant win ANY cases. Well except what they plead down to misdemeanors. CRook County BLOWS!!!
even when the camera shows that the accuser lied or after signing the affidavit it is discovered that complainant was lying, ops/iad/cook co asa will not prosecute because they do not want to discourage people from beefing on the police. the highly touted affidavit means nothing. it has reduced the amount of complaints, but that was not what it was designed to do. it was designed to punish people criminally for making false allegations of misconduct against peace officers and to that end it has failed.
He said something about it being illegal to tape someone, but it ended at that.
9/16/2008 01:00:00 AM
Who said "something about it being illegal to tape someone"???
If it was the Sgt/Lt/W-C ask them how in the fuck they passed the promotional exam! What were you viewing in the first place? (Hint: A “DEPARTMENT” VIDEO TAPE OF SOMEONE!) If the person is on or about the public way, the Supreme Court stated they have NO reasonable expatiation of privacy, and video taping is permissible! Ask the same people why the Dept spends so much money on blue light cameras! As far as IVC goes, you can video AND AUDIO tape it ALL DAY LONG! Did Mr. Kim Jong Il get arrested for filing a false police report? I know the State wont prosecute, but he can still get arrested!
The City wants this "New and Improved" police department... Well, give it to them! In-Car camera? "Yes sir, no sir, here is your ticket sir, can’t give you a break sir, because this is the way you wanted it sir, now you have a nice day sir!" GPS? Park in the middle of your beat until you get a job. Re-read the G.O. on CAPS and Beat Integrity, use the departments rules against them!
The Dept wants to get “pimpy”, well, can you play the same game?
Sue.
Go to small claims court and file a claim asking for the $5000 max. You don't need a lawyer, only half a brain.
Even the dirtiest POS out there has a momma who will die some day and she just might own a home outright.
Besides. That judgement will be stapled to every Section 8 housing request, every credit card application, every job application, every college entrance application, every car loan, and every mortgage the POS seeks till the end of time.
A filing fee and a little time out of your life and you can get the one thing that almost no one gets in Cook County. Even.
MORE CAMERAS'S + LESS POLICE= MORE ANTI-POLICE BEEFS.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
How many coppers have been jammed up by the in car cams? Zero.
How many coppers have been jammed up by GPS? Zero. GPS has been around for about two years now, just now in mass.
9/16/2008 06:26:00 AM
Your an idiot, look at the guy who got jammed from the camera in traffic. he did nothing wrong...she made a fake beef, he got a day..
Jody, please stop posting on here
Don't be so proud of this technological terror that has been created. A Cook County ASA could lose this case, camera and all. A Cook County ASA is nothing compared to the power of the force, no I mean, the power of stupid juries.
So I heard these squad cars got cameras now, huh?
Never been in a squad with a camera.
Can these videos be 'gotten' under the Freedom of Information Act now?
Can the press get a hold of these just for shits and giggles?
I think we PO's should start filing lawsuits for false complaints so maybe then those idiots will stop filing them.
J-Fed stated at one of his forums that he want to that legal action on one of these cases. Let's see how long it takes him if it ever happens!
The union has been looking for a good one to go after in civil court. But all the mutts we seem to get violation the document they signed are all on general assistance. Need to get a lawyer or someone from the media to sue.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Video in the car saved me from a racial verbal abuse beef. Asshole Korean came into the station complaining I called him a gook and other names on a stop.
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Whoa, aggressive Korean?
OK as long as you remember the camera(s) are on.
On 15 Sep 08 J-Fraud was on WBEZ's program 848. He said he doesn't give the blog any props because it may only have about 200 post a day and that we have 13,500. I thought that fool said he never read SCC. Keep the pressure on. Do what you have to do to protect your self and fellow PO's. He is reading this blog and is aware of what's going on. Remember, No Contract=No Contact!
The camera goes both ways.
Get a copy of the video, demand a report, sue sue sue, just like the shitheads do.
......The video was uploaded and watched by the W/C, Desk and my Sector Sergeants. My side of the story held and I asked for a DVD of the stop for court and my records.
He said something about it being illegal to tape someone, but it ended at that.
9/16/2008 01:00:00 AM
You should have let the W/C get a CR# along with signe affidavit and then sue the man civilly.
City is so happy and accomadating to the police beefer, now what about affording the same courtesy to the officer.
9/16/2008 06:27:00 AM
....and they wonder why morale is so low!!!!
OT: Chalkie out at 68th adn Marshfield...ghetto trash liar stating that the poleeses jus shooted heem, he din't point hiz gun o nuffin!!
She beez irate!!
Great job, office(s). Good job by chalkie too.
Thats why I don't do anything I hate people all people that make up these beefs just to cause trouble.
anonymous said...
How many coppers have been jammed up by the in car cams? Zero.
How many coppers have been jammed up by GPS? Zero. GPS has been around for about two years now, just now in mass.
9/16/2008 06:26:00 AM
NO... one great copper was dumped from the academy in part because the dept REFUSED TO USE THE CAMERA TO DEFEND HIM FROM A BEEF. While the cameras SHOULD save our asses sometimes, it is UP TO THE DEPT TO USE THE RECORDINGS, which they don't have a history of doing....
I will always be against the camera and GPS.... those of you who say it is there to help you are blind.... the cameras don't even work, and how much did they pay?!
Give the signed affidavits for exonerated C.R.'s to the F.O.P. They will follow up.
We have to use our heads.
All we have to do is tell Richie that this could be the biggest cash cow he has ever seen.
He'll have stacks and stacks of affidavits at the desks.
HI FROM DA MAYOR......
So you're afraid of video in you cars and you want to know if my protection detail has any.. What do you think??Of course not, I'm God..Don't you peasants worry about what goes on around me..Nobody is going to do shit about it anyway. I can steal what I want, go where I want, Fu8k who I want and no one will do a thing..And wait, I will soon be so powerful, after a few elections, that even the actual God will shutter at my feet. You see you little biotchs I have power..What do you have?, nothing!!!!!!!! You can't agree on shit let alone get organized to hurt me..ha ha ha..I laugh at you pukes daily..Soon it will be in your contract that each of you owes me an annual hummer...ha ha ha....
Question- They NEVER upload the cameras in my district...how difficult would it be to go in and find the video of a questioned stop? It is great it was of a great help to you,,but I cant imagine the amount of video that they would have to sift through to finally find it in some districts...
"While the cameras SHOULD save our asses sometimes, it is UP TO THE DEPT TO USE THE RECORDINGS, which they don't have a history of doing....
9/16/2008 06:45:00 PM"
Exactly. If you're a cloutclown they'll use if it. If not,They'll shitcan you & you're gone in a heartbeat.
Sooner you Morons figure out this Department is incapable of comprehending the meaning of Fair & Equitable, the sooner you'll lose the rose colored glasses.
When is someone going to file suit on the policemans behalf. City is so happy and accomadating to the police beefer, now what about affording the same courtesy to the officer.
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Not long ago a two guys on a gang team were accused of attempting to rob a guy. The guy called in, requested a supervisor, and demanded a CR#. But he changed his story, and told the responding Sgt that the officers only pointed a gun at him and used profanities. When the Sgt. asked why he stated that the Officers tried to rob him, he denied making that allegation. The Sgt. got the CR# for the second story, and also listened to the 911 call that clearly recorded the subject accusing the officers of trying to rob him. The subject was arrested by the Sgt. and charges for Felony D.C were approved. This case is currently being adjucated
...and they said at 35th st:
bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla, bla,
Cook County States Atttorney's Office refuses to prosecute false reports and false affadavits.We have to hire a private attorney and go after the lying bastard/bitch on our own.
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anyone care to correct me if i'm wrong? DICK devine said he will NOT prosecute for signing an affidavit knowing the complaint is b.s.
while it would be nice to go after some of these thugs for the false allegations it is very hard to prove them false in court to the extent required for a conviction.
essentially what IAD is doing is saying there is not enough evidence to determine the cop did anything criminal, or perhaps punishable. that is a far cry from determining that the complainant committed a crime.
besides, you really want to go down the path of losing a bunch of these cases in court because juries just do not trust CPD?
Get a copy of the video, demand a report, sue sue sue, just like the shitheads do.
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its kind of pointless if they have nothing to take away, and you have to pay lawyer fees.
The city will still settle.
First of all, the affidavit provides for Civil Penalties not criminal ones. Second, IPRA/IAD use preponderance of evidence not reasonable doubt, making criminal charges an entirely different thing than a tort. Finally, good luck proving that someone knowingly lied.
9/16/2008 01:00:00 AM
Who said "something about it being illegal to tape someone"???
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Dude RELAX, I'm pretty sure he meant the Korean guy said that.
Maybe I passed the promotional exams because of my reading comprehension?
J-FED HAS MADE CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/18/chicago.police.rebel.ap/index.html
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