Pilot Work Schedules
Someone was kind enough to put this in one of the Comment Sections. It appears to be gleaned from notes taken at the Unit Rep meeting of 10 September. FOP doesn't have anything in the Current Update page and we can't seem to find anything confirming the facts below. It deserves discussion, so have at it. We'll update when more info becomes available.
- Work Schedule Pilot Programs...piloted from 1st through 13th period 2009 (the pilot begins 01 Jan).
- 1st Pilot
3rd Watch Rapid Response Cars in 003, 007, 010 & 015 Districts will work a 10 hour day. - 2nd Pilot
Area Detective Division will work a 10 hour day. Duty start times are as follows:
0800, 1800 & 2200 hours; Summary, Review and Administrative Desk personnel will not pilot the 10 hr day. - 3rd Pilot
Districts 005 & 020 will work a 10 hour day. Duty start times are as follows:
0700, 1600 & 2300; Third Watch Desk and Lockup Personnel will have a start time of 1930 hours with the possibility of a couple of hours on the beginning or end of watch worked on street. District Commanders Staff, Community Policing Officers, Review and Administrative Personnel will be excluded from the pilot.
10 hour Schedule
4 days on/4 days off
4 days on/4 days off
5 days on/3 days off
5 days on/3 days off
5 days on/3 days off
5 days on/4 days off
Same as former CHA work schedule. Officers will work a total of 2074 total hrs a year. - 4th Pilot
Targeted Response Unit (TRU) will have fixed days off or either S/M/T or T/F/S. - 5th Pilot
Districts 008 & 013 will work a 9hour day with 30 minutes for lunch. Excluded are: Cmdr Staff; Community Police; School, Foot, Review, Lock-up and Desk Officers.
9 Hour Schedule
6 days on/3 days off
Duty start times are as follows:
0700, 1500 & 2200 hours. This will be the schedule for the duration of the pilot period. - 6th Pilot
Districts 014 & 018 will work a 9hour day with 30 minutes for lunch. Excluded are: Cmdr Staff; Community Police; Fixed Post, Desk, Review and Lock-up Officers.
9 Hour Schedule
4 days on/2 days off
Duty start times are as follows:
0700, 1500 & 2200 hours. This will be the schedule for the duration of the pilot period.
Sergeants, Lieutenants, Captains, and Exempt personnel will not participate in the pilot program.
Screaming to commence in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...go!
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:06 AM
138 Comments:
ok...so lets cut out all the pilot crap and just make it 4 10hr days
Post a poll. I bet CHA work schedule wins!
I like it!!!!
DAMM that sounds good for the Det. Division. I hope it includes ALL sections.
Am I dreaming or is this the schedule change I have been waiting for? Sign me up for any of them!!!! Anything except the 6 and 2, but if I had to rank them I would rank them:
1. 10 hour day
2. 4 and 2
3. 6 and 3
ONCE AGAIN I WILL TAKE ANY OF THESE OVER THE 6 AND 2 SCHEDULE!!!!!!
Which area for the detectives?
They just cant seem to get an 8 hour/5 day work week! I see alot of 50 hour work weeks condensed into 5 days so I assume down the road CR numbers will be almost nonexistent! Yeah right! This all reminds me of the shell game. Lots of people exempt from this "miracle schedule!" If its so good I would think those people would want to go back on the street! Let the games begin!
Funny thing is that the failure of earlier attempts at alternate schedules was directly attributed to the fact that they excluded supervisors from the alternate schedule leaving a watches officers out for hours without their own watches supervision. Predictable failure…
EXPECT THE COMPLAINING TO CONSIST OF THE FOLLOWING:
I CANT WORK MY PART TIME GIG WITH THE WEIRD HOURS.
I NEED TO DROP MY KID OFF AND UP FROM SCHOOL.
I CANT SEE MY WIFE OR KIDS OR HUSBAND OR DOGS BECAUSE I WILL BE TIRED.
I BID 4 THIRD WATCH NOT MIDNIGHTS.
THE DIST DOESNT HAVE ENUFF CARS.
WHY CANT THE OFFICE PEOPLE WORK 10 HOURS(HINT THEY WANT WEEKENDS OFF EVERY WEEK).
WHAT TIME DO THE DICKS CALL PEOPLE ON THIRD WATCH.
THE BATTERIES IN THE RADIOS ONLY LAST ABOUT 6 HOURS.
I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE ANOTHER PERSONAL IN A 10 HOUR DAY.
THE SGT LOSE MONEY B CUZ THEY WORK LESS DAY NO 45 MINUTES!!! I HOPE THE FIGURE IT OUT .
DAMN MY MEDICAL TIME IS WORTH ALOTTTT MORE NOW.
WAIT AND SEE AT LEAST WE R MOVING FORWARD....BUT WITH J-FED AT THE HELM I EXPECT TO GET DICKED BY MR ANABOLIC.
WHERE DOES THAT GUY LIVE ANYWAYS
4 on 2 off in 018? AWESOME!!!
First at least fop has some "new ideas", Secondly thanks to even invented these at&T satelitte computer usb sticks, Now I am working and on my laptop nice idea! Now back to the question? With the 4 on 4 off schedule the boss at Midway refused to even try it! The LT wants to do it all "her way"! Maybe she needs to look out for her troops like a leader should! All very successful commanders are prima donnas and must be so treated.
George S. Patton
Take calculated risks. That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton
No One is leaving sorry!!
OH please tell me this is true.
With regard to pilot 6... how on earth is relief going to work? The hours don't add up at all.....If I start at 1500, but mids starts at 2200, thats only 7 hours before I am relieved, not 9 (which, in reality, is FANTASTIC for me!!!).... I was excited at first to try something new, but I'm calling BS on this 'inside info'...maybe they just got the hours wong?
How can they pilot any programs without a contract? Doesnt Mark Donahue have a set a balls? SAY NO for once Mark. Or are you afraid of not getting your cushy county spot like the rest?
4th Pilot
Targeted Response Unit (TRU) will have fixed days off or either S/M/T or T/F/S.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense, the unit that was designed to flood the areas of violence will have thurs, fri, and sat off. Who's the fucking retard that thought of that one? And NO I'm not bashing TRU I'm bashing the idea of giving them the weekend off, you know the time when violence in this city is the greatest.
I'm so fucking confused...
The pilot of 4 days on and 2 off sounds good, looking forward to it. You can keep the 10 hr. days. Midnites 11pm till 9am is not a workable schedule for 10 hrs. Let the exempts stay awake. And arent we trying to get away from the 6th work day. The other 9 hr. pilot sucks too.
Sergeants, Lieutenants, Captains, and Exempt personnel will not participate in the pilot program.
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WRONG.. Sergeants will
Very confusing.
Ten Hour days are a loser. We want five eight hour days, mark my words the city is gong to fuck us.
I still prefer my proposed schedule:
1 day on-6 days off
Most of the Detective Division already only works 3 or 4 hours a day unless they are getting overtime, why in the hell should they get the 10 hour schedule? Maybe they'll be around for 5 hours total, including a 2 hour breakfast/lunch/dinner.
What a joke.
014 and 018 congrats, that is a kick ass schedule! I worked 4/2 at the county years ago and it was excellent.
Finally, I can't wait. Let's see if it happens.
For many years CPD Officers have been demanding and end to the miserable 6 day work schedule we now have. This is that chance. The first time in my 20 plus years that the city has seemingly budged on this issue.
This is great news, fantastic news. Any one of these schedules are better than what we work now, I would take any of them as better than what we now work.
No doubt there will be many who complain. Those people likely also complain when the sun comes up or goes down. No matter, for the rest of us this is welcome news.
Assuming the pilot programs run most or all of 2009 and one is picked to replace the current schedule, look for a permanent replacement going into effect for January 2010. Right before I retire. Oh well, better late than never. This will add years onto officer's lives.
Ch-ch-ch-CHANGES!
Yes!
I can't wait!
I hate working SIX DAYS straight!
I want to work two 20 hour tours per week and have the rest off.
As they say in the west and south side......HUH????
Dam sign me up for the TRU schedule. I would love to work 4 and have off S/M/T. You are going to have guys bitch about side jobs but hey screw you and your side jobs. Less time at work is always a good thing. This is one of the best ideas I have seen in my 10 year of CPD. The 10 hour housing schedule is nice too.
It makes a bad situation EVEN WORSE.What the HELL are people thinking.
We have already done the 10 hr work day pilot and it was liked by everyone who worked it!! why are we going to do it again?? what a waste of time!
I'd vote for pilot program #3.
All Tact teams should go to this schedule there are only 2 watches in tact any way. It could go 0600 to 1600 and 1600 to 0200.
If you ever worked the 4/2 schedule, it is THE best. I worked it at the county. I loved that schedule. Talk about a fast week.
4 and 2 woulda been real nice to try out in 8, but 18? C'mon man....what a joke!
Wow this actually gives me something to be excited for on this department. And to the person who said Donahue should say no to this, how about you can stay on the 6 and 2 schedule and the rest of us will work 10 hour days.
7th Pilot
Entertainment Detail in 018 will work 4 hour day from 2300-0300 hours, supervisors will work a five day work week by getting the day before their weekend off free of charge. My bad, this pilot work schedule has already been implemented.
Disregard.
Its always the salty old timer who is scared of change and has no life that is against the 10 hour days. I will make it clear for you: 10 hour day schedule means more days off which means more days to:
a)be with family
b)work a side job
c)sit around and do nothing
HOLY WHAT THE FUCK IS A NINE HOUR DAY BATMAN!!!
Who came up with the nine? What a joke work 6 to get 3. Fuck off. Pilot this right into the wall.
Stick with the CHA schedule and give it a chance, it sounds like a keeper. Anyone out there care to comment about it? Pros and cons.
I'd like to be the pilot of a spaceship.
So if your in TRU you will get the weekends off with 5 yrs or less on the job.
The poor SAP with 15 years in a district will not. How fair is that?
Most of the Detective Division already only works 3 or 4 hours a day unless they are getting overtime, why in the hell should they get the 10 hour schedule? Maybe they'll be around for 5 hours total, including a 2 hour breakfast/lunch/dinner.
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Bull. Where I work it's 8 for 8. Case load so big, it's usually NO lunch, or lunch at your desk, or a candy bar from the canteen. Not kidding, also not complaining. Sure it's worse a lot of places....
I know the city doesn't want to go with any plan in which we work less than 2080 hours a year.
I would like to know if anyone else feels like I do in that to get a schedule where we could work less that that 2080 hours, we would skip our cost of living raises for a few years of this one contract in order to make up the $$$ difference. That way, we are working less with less stress, have more time with our families, and after that we con get our cost of living raises.
Any thoughts on that?
There are pages more to this than was posted; although this is very accurate.
However in certain pilot districts the program will only affect a single watch, in other all three watches. There were many questions and “kink” that need to me worked out in each of the schedules. This should be very interesting. Who said this job was boring!
Weekend up date:
3 Dead
Year to Date 362
Difference +38 over 2007
"Funny thing is that the failure of earlier attempts at alternate schedules was directly attributed to the fact that they excluded supervisors from the alternate schedule leaving a watches officers out for hours without their own watches supervision. Predictable failure…
9/15/2008 12:36:00 AM"
Actually- supervisors are only exempt from the 6th pilot program....
Since the city won't hire any more police or is insulting us with our contract how about a novel idea.8 hr day with an hour for lunch!Not an 8 1/2 hr day with 30 minute lunch.HEY DUMMIES WAKE UP!
We should ask the person who it matters to the most: Chalkie... what hours work best for you?
K.G. (023) - where are you bidding to work a pilot schedule seeing how you are the author of this confiluted pilot program. I want the 10 hour day. Stay on your foot post, M-F and leave the working police alone. In your vast ten years of service, I'll bet you haven't even arrested 100 people. I can't wait to hear the city say this pilot failed - back to the drawing board. Here we go again except none of the FOP crew will be participating in the pilot program.
4 & 2 for me!
Guess what...your working 22 day furlo now becomes a 17 day furlo.
Great job FOP! daley must be very pleased with you screwing over the men and women in blue.
I am so glad you are in there fighting for me. You guys make me sick.
4th Pilot
Targeted Response Unit (TRU) will have fixed days off or either S/M/T or T/F/S.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense, the unit that was designed to flood the areas of violence will have thurs, fri, and sat off. Who's the fucking retard that thought of that one? And NO I'm not bashing TRU I'm bashing the idea of giving them the weekend off, you know the time when violence in this city is the greatest.
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The same mentality that at one point gave the tact and gang units the saem day off groups across the area so that the powers to be would always know who was available until the 10th Dist in Area 4 went up in flames one night and there were no gang teams available (on a Saturday night) to send to 10. Pure genius on their part but obviously they didn't learn or everyone that remembers that cluster...is gone!
This is all a grand scheme to fuck us... How you might ask? Simple.
The potential for violence is greatest between the hours of 2100-0200. (If you believe the stats at any downtown DOC/BS meeting) So if they overlap our times (3rd/1st Watch) in that frame, they have increased manpower without hiring any additional officers. Pretty fucking sneaky.
This is great news if true. Everybody loved that 10 hr day, even the people that voted against it but got a chance to work it. If they put it to a vote again, vote yes and finally get rid of the six day work week.
Anyone from NYPD please correct me if I am wrong, but don't you guys (most of you anyway) work a day that is 8 hours and 35 minutes long, 5 on - 3 off, 5 on - 2 off, then repeat the cycle?
If so - please bring that here! Three days off in a row, EVERY OTHER WEEK?
By the way - does the 8:35 include your lunch?
TRU has been told it will be S-M-T, 1800-0430. That basically eliminates your sunday by the time you get up it will be noon. It also means you will burn 10 Hrs everytime you need a friday or Saturday off (Weddings Parties etc.. )think about it
Is it just Pilot #6 that Sgt.'s Lt.'s, Cpt.'s and Exempt's aren't taking part in or all of them?
what about tact in these districts?
4th Pilot program for TRU was said to be S/M/T or W/T/F set 4 on 3 off or the CHA rotation schedule
I'm so fucking confused...
We know Jodi, just hang in there. Just two more years.
I say we should bid for days off...I have over 20 yeras. You hair gel cops are sooo PHUCKED.
The new SUV cruisers will have NO problem with 10 hour shifts. They are awesome. Vrooom Vrooom
These programs are very confusing and there are to many choices. I'll bet this entire thing gets shit canned because there are to many choices and with all the changes coming in this department people are getting frustrated.
That is probanly what the city wants. The program should have been implemented years ago but some people bitched so much that other programs were put into place to confused the masses.
I believe in KISS (Keep it simple stupid) and we would have eliminated the 6th way long ago.
Just my opinion. Good luck to all and I hope that something works out. Stay safe everyone...
I still prefer my proposed schedule:
1 day on-6 days off
9/15/2008 05:29:00 AM
SOLD!!!! This guy/gal for union president or atleast on the negotiation team.
If dipshit Donohue allows anything to be implemented w/o a full contract in place he's an asshole. Remember when the firemen asked for the agreed upon pay raises to start while they continued to negotiate promotions, 5 guys on the truck and other issues, the city said that it had to be the whole contract. Remember Ginger---you jackass.
Anonymous said...
First at least fop has some "new ideas", Secondly thanks to even invented these at&T satelitte computer usb sticks, Now I am working and on my laptop nice idea! Now back to the question? With the 4 on 4 off schedule the boss at Midway refused to even try it! The LT wants to do it all "her way"! Maybe she needs to look out for her troops like a leader should! All very successful commanders are prima donnas and must be so treated.
George S. Patton
Take calculated risks. That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton
No One is leaving sorry!!
9/15/2008 12:53:00 AM
Stop posting all the bullshit! Ok your smart, and understand computer tech, if your that disgruntled please see the Lt. I am sure she would be more that happy to help you leave, In life you must be "happy" if your not "make a change." You were obviously a history major, maybe leave and you could teach! If your mad about not being able to bid for overtime at the airports, or at cha get a part-time job like many of us have done in the past, you must support family first!
I've been working the pilot#3 schedule for the last 4 years,I think it's an outstanding schedule.Lots of time for the family and time away from this zoo.I highly recommend it.
4th Pilot
Targeted Response Unit (TRU) will have fixed days off or either S/M/T or T/F/S.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense, the unit that was designed to flood the areas of violence will have thurs, fri, and sat off. Who's the fucking retard that thought of that one? And NO I'm not bashing TRU I'm bashing the idea of giving them the weekend off, you know the time when violence in this city is the greatest.
9/15/2008 01:18:00 AM
Actually ther were pushing a M-T-W day off and settled for a s-m-t. Now they are throwing out w-t-f but i cant see them giving all of tru friday off so its probably going to be s-m-t or a rotating (housing) schedule with each company in a different dog
Anonymous said...
First at least fop has some "new ideas", Secondly thanks to even invented these at&T satelitte computer usb sticks, Now I am working and on my laptop nice idea! Now back to the question? With the 4 on 4 off schedule the boss at Midway refused to even try it! The LT wants to do it all "her way"! Maybe she needs to look out for her troops like a leader should! All very successful commanders are prima donnas and must be so treated.
George S. Patton
Take calculated risks. That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton
No One is leaving sorry!!
9/15/2008 12:53:00 AM
The midway c/o is scared to rock the boat that will sail her to an exempt spot. In the mean time, she is making foolish demands of the meager workforce.
Bring in-house special back! NOW!
The info about the TRU schedule is wrong. Its S/M/T off or T/W/T. Weekends won't happen and was never mentioned/ I'm biddding out, that schedule blows. And with the pimpy 1 arrest a day they want is ridiculous. I didnt become the Police to lock up drinkers and pissers. What a joke this unit has become. My partner and I have 10 years on and its time to go back to the beat with that fantastic CHA schedule.
YOUR WRONG sgT. & lT. unions already agreed the fop is only union that has not but they will on 16 Sep
By the time you factor in drive time, roll call, and the sometimes late call, we work ten hour days on the street anyway. Give me the days off instead of 6/2. To the non-believers don't knock it until you try it.
So its finally offical the 10 hour day is coming to 020. I hope they make the 3rd watch desk staff re-bid for the spots. Its funny to watch those do nothings shake in their loafers wondering they might lose their spot. I heard one P.O. complain about having to work a 10 hour day then going to 26/cal or skokie for a trial and then coming to work again for another 10 hour day. Then it hit me when was the last time a copper in 020 on the watch had a jury trial or even had a branch court date. If some coppers didnt complain they wouldnt have anything to say. These are the same people that bitched about the old capt and are now unhappy with the new capt. Careful what you wish for I guess. The worst beat in 020 is still better than the best beat in 006.
Everybody calm down!!!! Here comes the Trojan Horse I have mentioned in the past! Do not grab the first "Brass Ring" until we have all tried it! This site is monitored constantly and when they see how easily we roll over, we lose! Screw 5/10 hour tours! No need for that! Why can't it be 4/10hour days always? God, I wouldn't rob a bank with any of you! Lets negotiate first before grabbing what seems to exclude supervisors! Why is that? Ask lots of questions before you take the first thing they offer! What worked in CHA was never a 10 hour day in the first place! You think we can all duck after 8? Get real!
Eddie the Turd commander of a/2 has told everyone that will listen to him (not Many really) that A/2 will not be doing this in Jan. He doesnt feel he has the time to implement it and is pissed he wasn't part of the decision making process. Mabe eddie can spin this an a excuse for having the lowest clearance rate in the city. If you part of eddie's phone call crew you get to work whatever you want anyways but you have to drink the kool aid because coffee's for closers.
SCC-
The TRU schedule does not call for T/F/S, it's W/T/F...
ok...so lets cut out all the pilot crap and just make it 4 10hr days
9/15/2008 12:11:00 AM
I agree 100%. This dept is becoming more discombobulated by the fuckin' minute. Once the pilot program is done and they find out we like to work 4 days instead of 6, they're just gonna take it away and keep it as a bargaining tool for the next contract. Assholes!
Everyone ASSUMES the ten hour workday is great because Housing loved it. Well, Housing loved it cause they were only working EIGHT Hours...wink wink. The start times are the key issue and the City knows that. If they change the start times maybe it would be reasonable for the working patrol copper. The start times for 3rd watch should be 1400, 1500 and 1600. If they don't change to these times you will spend your precious extra day off sleeping. Alot of the officers advocating the ten hour day never worked midnights and don't realize that your body needs to catch up on the missed sleep.
FBI: Violent Crime Decreasing
Posted: September 15th, 2008 11:44 AM GMT-05:00
By LARA JAKES JORDAN
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON --
The FBI says violent crime is on the downswing. DData released Monday show violent crime dipped slightly nationwide in 2007. That ended two years of increases in murders, robberies, and other kinds of the worst crime in U.S. cities.
Did J-Fed check the Chicago stats yet...
SEISER WANTS 24HRS DAY TOURS, THAT WAY CRIME WILL BECOME NOWHERE TO BE FOUND. THE MIGHT SEISER WILL ARREST EVERYBODY.
6 on 3 off still sucks--the point is to GET RID OF THE SIXTH DAY!!! Does the FOP or the city get that???
How about the NYPD schedule?
as usual they don't listen to the people who actually have to work the schedules..We don't want 6 days in a row how many times do we have to tell the idiots who come up with this shit!!! I guess we'll have to go a different direction, start campaining for a 6 day work week, make them think we really want it, and then they won't give it to us...
4 and 2 is the most workable....
10hr days leaves a 4hr gap in the middle of the night, either the desk crews and w/c's will have to work 8 hours days or have a relief crew to fill in the gaps. BUT what a w/c for 4hrs? they would have to pay a lt capt's pay to cover the gap.
This is awesome. I love it. Anything but the 6 straight is great!!!!!!!
I will be trying to transfer into one of those districts asap. Anyone who doesn't like it can transfer into a district that doesn't have it.
I think this is the best thing the FOP has done for us in a long long time.
Thank you.
I know a ton of work went into trying to get these pilot programs passed and just want to extend a HUGE thank you to whoever is responsible. Thank you for finally listening to us FOP and working toward something we want. Your hard work is appreciated!!
believe it when it actually happens.
whats with pilot #5 (6 ON/3 OFF)...I thought the idea was to get rid of the 6th work day....Pilot #6 is better with Pilot #3 being the best
To all of my fellow brothers and sisters.Whatever schedule you decide ...PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE MALCONTENTS THAT TRY TO FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH CHANGE!!! Most depts.all accross the U.S. have dumped rotations and six hour work weeks.We FINALLY have a glimmer of hope of something that will make this job a LOT better.You will always have the ASSHOLE,that for HIS only personnal agenda,will preach at the role calls on why you dont want a 10 hr.day.Everyone knows this type of guy...IE drunk with no life and works 3 side jobs...DONT listen...the 10 hr day is the way to go....to all you pilot districts...good luck and enjoy...hope to join you in 2010.
I worked in CHA with 10 hr days:
the schedule was as follows:
3 weeks of 4 on and 4 off
followed by 3 weeks with 5 on and 3 off............it works in 6 week cycles......whoever figured on the fourth week off 5 on 3 off didnt follow the CHA schedule......
so you have 3 weekends off in a row......
ernest BROWN
p.s.
your off mon-wed.....work thur-mon, then off tues-thur, work fri-tues, off wed-fri, work sat-wed, off thur-sun, work mon-thur, off fri-mon, and finally work tues-fri, off sat-tues......
hence 3 weeks of 4 ON and 4 OFF, and 3 Weeks of 5 ON and 3 OFF
schedule was niice and allowed for some decent time off especially furloughs.......this was the CHA scehdule........any tweaking would mean the dept doesnt want you having three weekends off in a row........
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Most of the Detective Division already only works 3 or 4 hours a day unless they are getting overtime, why in the hell should they get the 10 hour schedule? Maybe they'll be around for 5 hours total, including a 2 hour breakfast/lunch/dinner.
What a joke.
9/15/2008 06:25:00 AM
Don't hate bitch!
Study a little harder instead of hitting the bar next time...now scurry over to that domestic call!
Haha!
Hey SCC did you see the suntimes today about cash cutting measures? They listed that the CPD has 319 sworn vacanies, 705 on medical leave, and another 600 on light duty.
Also Ald. Cardenas wants to combine the police and fire into 1 department of public safety!
Anonymous said...
I'm so fucking confused...
9/15/2008 01:39:00 AM
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Then run for mayor!
If the City can sit down and work this out with the union over multiple session why won't they work out the raise? Because little dick Daley is a retard and wants to dick us around.
85 million for Michael Reese? 15-20 million for demolition? Money for a raise? Screw with my pension? Well Mr. Mayor we will stick to you when the IDOC comes here for your final presentation. How about some informational picketing at their hotel with police, fire, and all other city labor next year?
T.R.P.
I still prefer my proposed schedule:
1 day on-6 days off
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I thank you for the laugh
SEATTLE POLICE DEPT SCHEDULE:
In order to patrol the city 24/7, Patrol Officers work on a rotating schedule. Patrol officers work four (9 hour) days in a row on a rotating schedule which includes working weekends and holidays. Officers are assigned to one of three watches: 4 on / 2 off
First Watch: 0300-1200 or 0330 - 1230
Second Watch: 1100-2000 or 1130 - 2030
Third Watch: 1900-0400 or 1930 - 0430
This schedule minus the start times is the way to go.....worked the 10 hour cars in patrol (014) in 2005 and they were great but they will not work for a 3 watch system as is with the start times. With the 4 on / two off you roughly work 16 days less in a year...the city wants you to work 2080 hours yearly...40 hours times 52 weeks. Anything is better than the current set-up. The above set-up with the Seattle schedule would not work in Chicago because 3rd watch would get hammered but the 9 hour day makes the most sense.
To all those that care the 10 hour schedule is already in your FOP books its the lightly shaded number by the D.OG.'s plus your never work more or less than 4 days (40 hours) between Sun & Sat that totals 2080 yearly hours. Again this schedule rocks and those that complain about it haven't a clue. When I 1st worked this my schedule was 1800-0400..but quickly shifted to 1400-1200 to help with the backlogs and schools. You will only have 1 partner because the relief does not work with this schedule.
So its finally offical the 10 hour day is coming to 020. I hope they make the 3rd watch desk staff re-bid for the spots. Its funny to watch those do nothings shake in their loafers wondering they might lose their spot. I heard one P.O. complain about having to work a 10 hour day then going to 26/cal or skokie for a trial and then coming to work again for another 10 hour day. Then it hit me when was the last time a copper in 020 on the watch had a jury trial or even had a branch court date. If some coppers didnt complain they wouldnt have anything to say. These are the same people that bitched about the old capt and are now unhappy with the new capt. Careful what you wish for I guess. The worst beat in 020 is still better than the best beat in 006.
9/15/2008 01:11:00 PM
020 is filled with some of the worst cops in the city from p.o.s to captains. Horrible and lazy desk crews on most watches. Cops who have never been through a trial. Tact/Gang guys making stupid DOPW and SUB arrests, which they see as decent police work. And whiny lockup people.
gee i wonder why 16,17,19,22 dont get fucked
IS ANYONE WORKING 10HR DAYS TO GET US A CONTRACT ? OR IS IT 30DAYS OFF AND 1 4HR DAY ONE ?
Everyone ASSUMES the ten hour workday is great because Housing loved it. Well, Housing loved it cause they were only working EIGHT Hours...wink wink. The start times are the key issue and the City knows that. If they change the start times maybe it would be reasonable for the working patrol copper. The start times for 3rd watch should be 1400, 1500 and 1600. If they don't change to these times you will spend your precious extra day off sleeping. Alot of the officers advocating the ten hour day never worked midnights and don't realize that your body needs to catch up on the missed sleep.
9/15/2008 02:06:00 PM
What are you an infant? You'll have a whole extra day off PER WEEK.
Besides it been proven that "sleep banking" is not healthy. Also I haven't heard bad thing from the guys that worked the pilot a few years ago and they worked ten for ten. If you can't take the hours because your a bitch go work the desk like a bitch.
The info about the TRU schedule is wrong. Its S/M/T off or T/W/T. Weekends won't happen and was never mentioned/ I'm biddding out, that schedule blows. And with the pimpy 1 arrest a day they want is ridiculous. I didnt become the Police to lock up drinkers and pissers. What a joke this unit has become. My partner and I have 10 years on and its time to go back to the beat with that fantastic CHA schedule.
9/15/2008 12:35:00 PM
Wrong listening is a skill the DOG are S/M/T or W/Th/F.
Most of the Detective Division already only works 3 or 4 hours a day unless they are getting overtime, why in the hell should they get the 10 hour schedule? Maybe they'll be around for 5 hours total, including a 2 hour breakfast/lunch/dinner.
What a joke.
WHINER!
"Also Ald. Cardenas wants to combine the police and fire into 1 department of public safety!
9/15/2008 05:59:00 PM"
I Love it! 4,000 Cinderheads would resign the very next day. Whiny Cowards that go to 2 fires a year, & brag how they battled the Beast. Welcome to my World, Bitch!
How can they pilot any programs without a contract? Doesnt Mark Donahue have a set a balls? SAY NO for once Mark. Or are you afraid of not getting your cushy county spot like the rest?
9/15/2008 01:09:00 AM
IT's a PROPOSAL JACKASS, not a done deal. You are the one in four that should NEVER be allowed to carry a rifle.
Ten Hour days are a loser. We want five eight hour days, mark my words the city is gong to fuck us.
OK jackass....you work weekends for the rest of your career
HEY FROM DA MAYOR....
It's me again..So you think I'm really going to give you a say in what schedule you work?? It's all a distraction while I ass rape you on this contract..You mothers are so fricken easy...
You'll work when I say, where I say. You'll live where I tell you to live and you'll keep eating my sh*t too because you always do..So type away but for all the good it will do you, you might as well get some lotion and some Kleenex and use your internet time more wisely..
Later Biotchs..Richie out...
This is completely wrong. What was said at the meeting was J-Fed wants to go to the HONDA PILOT. Whoever came up with this work hour thing musta been hittin the pipe.
Guess what...your working 22 day furlo now becomes a 17 day furlo.
Great job FOP! daley must be very pleased with you screwing over the men and women in blue.
I am so glad you are in there fighting for me. You guys make me sick.
9/15/2008 10:15:00 AM
Yeah but your working day furlo will have MORE days off in between thus making up for the lose of furlo days. Look at a calander before trying to knock what everybody other than you (and the rest of the salty dogs afraid of change) want.
Hey SCC did you see the suntimes today about cash cutting measures? They listed that the CPD has 319 sworn vacanies, 705 on medical leave, and another 600 on light duty.
Also Ald. Cardenas wants to combine the police and fire into 1 department of public safety!
9/15/2008 05:59:00 PM
They mind as well combine them, I seem to ride with fire on every one of their calls anyway.
Guess what...your working 22 day furlo now becomes a 17 day furlo.
Great job FOP! daley must be very pleased with you screwing over the men and women in blue.
I am so glad you are in there fighting for me. You guys make me sick.
9/15/2008 10:15:00 AM
Yes, but we ONLY WORK FIVE DAYS A WEEK with the 9 hour schedule.... after FIVE WEEKS, you.... COME OUT AHEAD, so, yes, good job fop!!
A pilot program is bull. You mean to tell me I have to work 6 days in a row while others get to work less. No way everyone should be equal. Fuck that we all want to do away with the (6 day week.)
They tried this before. The city is pulling our dicks again. prick teaser.
Anonymous said...
How about the NYPD schedule?
9/15/2008 02:51:00 PM
Might as well use NYPD's schedule. We've already taken "cruiser" from them.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
First at least fop has some "new ideas", Secondly thanks to even invented these at&T satelitte computer usb sticks, Now I am working and on my laptop nice idea! Now back to the question? With the 4 on 4 off schedule the boss at Midway refused to even try it! The LT wants to do it all "her way"! Maybe she needs to look out for her troops like a leader should! All very successful commanders are prima donnas and must be so treated.
George S. Patton
Take calculated risks. That is quite different from being rash.
George S. Patton
No One is leaving sorry!!
9/15/2008 12:53:00 AM
The midway c/o is scared to rock the boat that will sail her to an exempt spot. In the mean time, she is making foolish demands of the meager workforce.
Bring in-house special back! NOW!
9/15/2008 12:30:00 PM
I agree about the wireless I can surf while I work like I do now! Great invention! Her foolish demands are and will never be met! As far as her exempt spot she will get it soon the commander at the airport will be promoted and she will be made, then spread all her joy to everyone equally! Guees her and husbands Leo's promotions via merit were all worth it!
I just hope that we get some warning if we go to 10 hour days so I can do a lateral to somewhere else... If I was single with no kids it would be great, but I have a couple infants at home and a wife that works, so this will not work for me.... oh well, could be the push I need to move on....
A # 1 - DO NOT BUY INTO THIS!!!!!! U R A FOOL 4 "DOO"-ing so...
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ten Hour days are a loser. We want five eight hour days, mark my words the city is gong to fuck us.
OK jackass....you work weekends for the rest of your career
9/15/2008 10:43:00 PM
Hey PPO rotating DOG's this fucking city waves something in your face that is no fucking good and you bite FUCK IT. I am voting no, I do not want my working furlos cut, and I do not want to have to burn ten hours of comp tome when I want a day off, plus have my BFD's and PD's cut.
To all of my fellow brothers and sisters.Whatever schedule you decide ...PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE MALCONTENTS THAT TRY TO FIND ANYTHING WRONG WITH CHANGE!!! Most depts.all accross the U.S. have dumped rotations and six hour work weeks.We FINALLY have a glimmer of hope of something that will make this job a LOT .....
The straight shift was the WORST thing to happen to this department ...bar none...all it ever did was help dog cops do even less...
So its finally offical the 10 hour day is coming to 020. I hope they make the 3rd watch desk staff re-bid for the spots. Its funny to watch those do nothings shake in their loafers wondering they might lose their spot. I heard one P.O. complain about having to work a 10 hour day then going to 26/cal or skokie for a trial and then coming to work again for another 10 hour day. Then it hit me when was the last time a copper in 020 on the watch had a jury trial or even had a branch court date. If some coppers didnt complain they wouldnt have anything to say. These are the same people that bitched about the old capt and are now unhappy with the new capt. Careful what you wish for I guess. The worst beat in 020 is still better than the best beat in 006.
9/15/2008 01:11:00 PM
020 is filled with some of the worst cops in the city from p.o.s to captains. Horrible and lazy desk crews on most watches. Cops who have never been through a trial. Tact/Gang guys making stupid DOPW and SUB arrests, which they see as decent police work. And whiny lockup people.
So why are you in 20 now. Don't cry you can bid when your year is up.
11:56 PM:
"Cruiser" is a rarely used, generic term for a squad car in any jurisdiction. No need to make a big deal out of it.
The NYPD refers to a squad car as a R.M.P. (Radio Motor Patrol).
Don't be a skell and make this "cruiser" stuff into an issue.
*K, Central?
*TRANSLATION: "10-4, Squad?"
I work for a suburb....we use 3 watches, 8 1/2 hour days where each watch overlaps 1/2 hour, for roll call and so the beat cars can change out
4 on 2 off, rotating weekends every 6 weeks. each watch has 3 day off groups. you will end up owing the city four 7 hour days in the end, but those can be detailed out to a Range day, mandatory training or hire backs at major events.
Anonymous said...
Anyone from NYPD please correct me if I am wrong, but don't you guys (most of you anyway) work a day that is 8 hours and 35 minutes long, 5 on - 3 off, 5 on - 2 off, then repeat the cycle?
If so - please bring that here! Three days off in a row, EVERY OTHER WEEK?
By the way - does the 8:35 include your lunch?
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Yeah, they also don't have the ability to bid anywhere. You want that too?
Make sure that those in the pilot areas realize that when your BFD and PDs are used you have to add 2 hours to each day off. Here comes the scam! The city wants us to use all our CU so no big check to cash when you retire! Old bosses got 250-500k but never again! Wake up people! V days, P days BFD days must equal ten hours also!
anonymous said...
Guess what...your working 22 day furlo now becomes a 17 day furlo.
Great job FOP! daley must be very pleased with you screwing over the men and women in blue.
I am so glad you are in there fighting for me. You guys make me sick.
9/15/2008 10:15:00 AM
Yes, but we ONLY WORK FIVE DAYS A WEEK with the 9 hour schedule.... after FIVE WEEKS, you.... COME OUT AHEAD, so, yes, good job fop!!
9/15/2008 11:19:00 PM
Think how many hours a year you work, it is roughly 2080. That is what ALL of these other schedules have in common, they all have roughly the same hours worked per year.
As for furloughs, 25 working days will be translated into 25 eight hour days of furlough or 25 X 8 or 200 hours of furlough. It's the exact same.
Personal days will be one day, no matter the hourly schedule, a ten hour day or 8 hour day, one personal day is one personal day.
BFD's will be translated into hours, 15 years or more get 6 BFD times 8 hours equals 48 hours.
If you work ten hour days a holiday is worth ten times one point five or 15 hours.
This has been scrutinized by both sides and is the best thing to come down the pike for police officers in many years!
This is a very good thing, not a bad thing. Only the short sighted narrow minded individuals think otherwise.
Of course some people will not be happy no matter what.
The potential for violence is greatest between the hours of 2100-0200. (If you believe the stats at any downtown DOC/BS meeting) So if they overlap our times (3rd/1st Watch) in that frame, they have increased manpower without hiring any additional officers. Pretty fucking sneaky.
First of all we didn't all sign up to do nothing. Second of all I like the idea of more of us to back eachother up and be SAFER for us!
I agree about the wireless I can surf while I work like I do now! Great invention! Her foolish demands are and will never be met! As far as her exempt spot she will get it soon the commander at the airport will be promoted and she will be made, then spread all her joy to everyone equally! Guees her and husbands Leo's promotions via merit were all worth it!
9/16/2008 01:02:00 AM
All your bitching will not help she went to war with (JJ) on days and he won out! "frustrated" is not was you go through life! My friend left that airport and went to teach awhile ago, the shenanigans continue, maybe a change in bosses is in order? Oh sorry it is already being done, so they can be surprised, Hope I did not ruin the "surprise"!
Most of the Detective Division already only works 3 or 4 hours a day unless they are getting overtime, why in the hell should they get the 10 hour schedule? Maybe they'll be around for 5 hours total, including a 2 hour breakfast/lunch/dinner.
What a joke.
Yeah. That three hours is spent trying to read your fucked up case reports.
Let me guess. You got 18 months and a day on and think you can do a better job than any dick in any area.
Study, Find a China-man or fuck off.
know the city doesn't want to go with any plan in which we work less than 2080 hours a year.
I would like to know if anyone else feels like I do in that to get a schedule where we could work less that that 2080 hours, we would skip our cost of living raises for a few years of this one contract in order to make up the $$$ difference. That way, we are working less with less stress, have more time with our families, and after that we con get our cost of living raises.
Any thoughts on that?
I've been saying that for years, I even suggested itto the FOP, usaully falls on deaf ears. Short term sacrifice for long term gain. Most coppers just say, Whaaa?
020 is filled with some of the worst cops in the city from p.o.s to captains. Horrible and lazy desk crews on most watches. Cops who have never been through a trial. Tact/Gang guys making stupid DOPW and SUB arrests, which they see as decent police work. And whiny lockup people
The CPD is certainly lucky to have a real cop like you in their employ. I think I'll bid to 006 and base my life on your teachings so that I too, may become a miserable embitterd fuck head. Just like you.
"YOUR WRONG sgT. & lT. unions already agreed the fop is only union that has not but they will on 16 Sep"
actually- the FOP rolled as did the Capt's "Union" (they stopped being a union when they sold out Capt being a testable rank for $17,000 pieces of silver...)- the sgt and lts are fighting:the reduction in the # of days means that they will lose about 130 comp hours a year. The lts union sent out a letter last weekend advising the lieutenants to put in ot slips for the last two hours as the union did not ok the proposal.
I saw the letter myself!
I WANT NAPERVILLE;S SCHEDULE. 12 HRS AND EVERY OTHER WEEKEND OFF.
New pilot work schedules? Wow! I just found out the other day you can't drink on the job anymore! When did they make that happen? Looks like I have to adjust some drinking time.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Ten Hour days are a loser. We want five eight hour days, mark my words the city is gong to fuck us.
OK jackass....you work weekends for the rest of your career
9/15/2008 10:43:00 PM
Hey PPO rotating DOG's this fucking city waves something in your face that is no fucking good and you bite FUCK IT. I am voting no, I do not want my working furlos cut, and I do not want to have to burn ten hours of comp tome when I want a day off, plus have my BFD's and PD's cut.
Hey idiot when you work a holiday you get 15 hours on the books ...
gee i wonder why 16,17,19,22 dont get fucked
cuz we got wack!
Please contact FOP re: equation for VDAYS BFD days and PDAYS. When this was bantered around years ago, they wanted us to submit a 2 hour slip to total the ten hour day off. Cracker Jack, a Prize in every box! Retirees coming up will cash in 35 days or 350 hours rather than the usual 250 hours. That is the $64,000 question. FOP where are you?
10 hour day???
ok... 1hr for lunch (paid) and an extra personal...
why not? the dirty little secret is the feds get an hour for lunch!!
do they work 10hrs? i very seriously doubt it...
Please contact FOP re: equation for VDAYS BFD days and PDAYS. When this was bantered around years ago, they wanted us to submit a 2 hour slip to total the ten hour day off. Cracker Jack, a Prize in every box! Retirees coming up will cash in 35 days or 350 hours rather than the usual 250 hours. That is the $64,000 question. FOP where are you?
That should be 280 hours not 350. Nice 70 hour cash in bonus! Think the city will like that?
I WANT NAPERVILLE;S SCHEDULE. 12 HRS AND EVERY OTHER WEEKEND OFF.
9/16/2008 04:21:00 PM
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Try 12 hour days in 006 for a summer. Good luck.
The new schedules sound great but try getting into one of these districts especially when there are never any openings in them.
020 is filled with some of the worst cops in the city from p.o.s to captains. Horrible and lazy desk crews on most watches. Cops who have never been through a trial. Tact/Gang guys making stupid DOPW and SUB arrests, which they see as decent police work. And whiny lockup people
Are you talking about 020, or 002? Sounds like youre talking about 002 not 020
Same district, diffent locations, oh wait, 020 is BUSIER than 002-
my bad.
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