Retro Calculator
Over at a site called "Five Frank." It has a couple of interesting programs and a retro calculator at this link here.
The numbers are derived from an average of the last known city offer and the last publicized FOP proposal. A nice look at what might be if all comes down on our side.
The numbers are derived from an average of the last known city offer and the last publicized FOP proposal. A nice look at what might be if all comes down on our side.
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
51 Comments:
Seiser uses pepper spray to spice up his steaks.
i dont believe that the calculator is acurate
Awesome, now I can buy that house on Baltic Ave and that Pennsylvania Railroad I always wanted.
Dont like the city numbers but 5F is an awesome site. I liked it and bookmarked it.
Hopefully I wont have to use their services, but if I do they have my business.
nice find. thanks for passing it along scc.
now hopefully we get the FOP's proposal and not the city's so I can pay off some debt.
We do not need a calculator cause anything multiplied by zero is zero. There I said now roll it around in your mouth a little bit and let me know how you feel.
It is time for high pressure these are the most important negotiations of all of our careers.
It amazes me that I never hear anyone talk about the life expendency for police officers. Live an average of 6-8 years less than non-police (men & women even though most studies are male). This is due to many factors one of which is stress and was Chicago the number one city for stress!!!!!! Most jobs that include driving over 60% of you normal work schedule are also given hazard pay ( usually an 4 - 5 % of your hourly rate) and it is usually higher in bigger cities. That is also considered normal driving not responding to calls for help and having to go lights and sirens which raises the stress level. How about the stress of divorces police officers 2nd highest among occupations. So many factors that are never mentioned or even thought about during contract talks. Police Officers are like mutants and are not able to lead normal lives like so many others!!!!!! Just saying!!!
retro check $2500 after tax
$1200
$500 for new hair gel
$500 for new tatoo
$200 for new tanning spray
yeah baby thanks Ritchie, your the best let me go out and make some money for the city...
Easy retro calculator: Take the figure you think you should be owed, multiply that by 5%, take the 5 % then subtract 35% taxes, the result is your likely retro pay.
Example: wished for retro: 1,000, times 5% equals $50, minus 35$ leaves around $32 retro. Wasn't that easy?
Now stop wasting time with mental masturbation, you will get what you get, don't go borrow against it. it will be what it will be. don't count your retro before you get it, if any.
Great. Except that we haven't got anything and likely won't get anything above what the City offered.
I do NOT want this going to arbitration. We finally, after many years, have a chance to get off the 6/2 work schedule and going to arbitration so some cash poor cops get a lousy couple of thousand more on their retro is a poor excuse to throw the alternate work schedule overboard.
And that is exactly what will happen if we go to arbitration. We've waited this long, we can wait some more and see what happens. My vote is NO to arbitration.
I think a " how long will the pension last" calculator would be a better subject. 45% funded at the end of this year, my guess. Worry about the $2000 of some retro meanwhile you have a hundred thousand or so in the pension fund. Times have changed.
old retired guy
Very nice find SCC... I would consider a direct link to this under your links to other sites. Very cool.
"Live an average of 6-8 years less than non-police "
The last retirement seminar (october) I went to had new information: If you survive the first year after retirement-your life expectancy increases to the same expectancy of the average joe. Why impart this info to us at the seminar? To give us a clue that we might live a lot longer and need to prepare better than we are.
How many times do you see a copper obit and the guy just retired 6 months ago?
Think about it....
Excellent cite with other cool tools. I am angry I am just finding out about this site now. Does anyone know if fivefrank.com is run by CPD?
show me the money
I am going to use mine to make an extra trip to South Beach.
Things are warm there, if you know what I mean.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
Knock it off with the hair gel crap, look around you you fool. There are no new officers, and there are more newer officers than old timers now.
Teach them something instead of razzing them you mush.
And I am KMA.
$500 for new hair gel
$500 for new tatoo
$200 for new tanning spray
yeah baby thanks Ritchie, your the best let me go out and make some money for the city...
This Dept is a joke! There are way too many a-holes like you around. Last I checked we all wear blue, but you gotta let everyone know you're a bitter dinosaur. How about you share some of your expertise with us rather than spend all your time trying to tell us how we are F'ups. Now I see why my Dad didn't want me to follow in his footsteps, bitter do-nothings like you!!! Why we cant come together and work together? It should "Us vs Them" not "New vs Old." Remember, you were a F.N.G. too, 100yrs ago.
Thanks for the hard work SCC, 5F has quite a few nice features.
And they are upset because we had over 500 homicides???? Wait till next when we are over 700!!!! And no revenue from Police coming in!!!!
Domestic? 19P. Shots fired? 19P Battery in progress, oh yeah squad, 19P!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Interesting calculator.
Keep in mind, over the last 3 contracts what we have actually gotten as opposed to what we demanded.
It seems to err on the side of the city in every instance.
I'm voting no on any contract that is put up for a vote. If they offer us $1 million a year, I'm voting no. I'm about to retire, and my side business has been very lucrative.
Anonymous said...
i dont believe that the calculator is acurate
1/05/2009 12:38:00 AM
"Caution: This tool is just a rough estimate of the money one might expect to receive in a retro check, so don't go out and buy that new car just yet".
I take it you didn't read this Detective.
I went right over to the Credit Union to see a loan officer and asked for a retro-pay anticipation loan. They had to call the paramedics because the loan officer hit her head on the desk after falling over from laughing so hard. I didn't get a final answer on the loan. I will try again tomorrow.
SPEAKING OF MONEY:
At roll call today the boss mentions writing meter violations. Didn't our Mayor just sell the meter rights to a private company? Now meters have to be fed 24/7. So you want me as a servant of the people of the city of Chicago to write Meter violations for meters that are owned/operated and collect all the profits for a PRIVATE COMPANY?
Also you want City Employee's to issue violations for a PRIVATE COMPANY on City paid time???
I DON'T THINK SO!!!
THIS JUST SOUNDS WRONG!!!
CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!
BTW If the city was collecting this new added revenue over a 100 year period I'm pretty sure that it would equal over the BILLION Dollars the mayor got for the meters!
IF THE CITY SELLS ALL IT'S ASSETS THAT GENERATE REVENUE WHAT WILL WE DO IN 5 OR 10 YEARS????
DOES THE CITY EVEN GET A CUT OF THE REVENUE???
why the three M's in the month spot?
I went right over to the Credit Union to see a loan officer and asked for a retro-pay anticipation loan. They had to call the paramedics because the loan officer hit her head on the desk after falling over from laughing so hard. I didn't get a final answer on the loan. I will try again tomorrow.
1/05/2009 05:00:00
Haha! i hit my elbow on the table from laughing so hard. Medical? I think i injured my funny bone.
why the three M's in the month spot?
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Dear god, please tell me you're joking
violations for meters that are owned/operated and collect all the profits for a PRIVATE COMPANY?
Also you want City Employee's to issue violations for a PRIVATE COMPANY on City paid time???
I DON'T THINK SO!!!
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TOOL ! , uninformed as usual. The City still gets 100% of revenue generated by tickets NOT the private company. They only get monies generated by the meter itself.. find another reason to be a dog
you will get your retro STOP spreading rumors...
To 1/05/2009 05:50:00 PM
Cause it's like Campbell's soup, MMM good!
A ghetto storefront preacher pout a paper banner in the window, stating."RETRO ANTICIPATION LOANs FOR PO-LEECE"
So the proposal is a 16% raise over six years??? WTF. The cost of living in this shit hole city has doubled and we are going to settle for 16% over six years. You all need to get your head out of your asses and look at the big picture here.
Geeeez, If you have not figured it out by now I will spell it out ofr you!
WE WILL NEVER GET OFF THE 6 DAY WORK WEEK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Every time the contract comes up people start screeming about the 6 day work week. The City starts a pilot program in a few units. This shuts up all the complainers.
The contract gets setteled and we go back to the 6 day work week!
We have been donig the pilot programs for ten fucken years now. Why the hell do we need to do another Pilot? WE DON"T!
The Pilot program is just a PACIFIER! If the contract gets settled, no more pilot for 6 years!
WAKE UP PEOPLE!
Police Officers are like mutants and are not able to lead normal lives like so many others!!!!!! Just saying!!!
1/05/2009 01:24:00 AM
After listening to you, why live? You are a moron. Quit and become a wall mart greeter. They live long lives.
that five frank has a furlough optimizer, would have saved me some time if I knew about this site a couple of weeks ago
"I will try again tomorrow.
1/05/2009 05:00:00"
If you do, you should be arrested for reckless conduct.
Look at the length of the contract - not the money!!!!
Our contracts need to expire and be settled BEFORE the mayoral elections!!!
And they are upset because we had over 500 homicides???? Wait till next when we are over 700!!!! And no revenue from Police coming in!!!!
Domestic? 19P. Shots fired? 19P Battery in progress, oh yeah squad, 19P!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
go ahead a screw around on a domestic. You'll be taking time. Not only will the police have no income, but neither will you. dumbass
700 i think is wishfull thinking.
MAY BE THE FOP IS NOT GOING TO ASK FOR RETRO IN EXCHANGE FOR....
THE CITY PAYS INSURANCE FOR THE EARLY RETIREES?
JUST A GUESS, THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE UP SOMETHING BE PREPARED FOR ALL THOSE CR NUMBERS FROM THE PAST TO BE ABLE TO BE RE-OPENED 2. THE REASON BEING MOST OFFICERS FEEL THAT THEY WILL NEVER BE THROWN UNDER THE BUS BY THE CITY. SOOOOO EVERY ONE FIGURES THEY R GOING TO RETIRE EARLY.
If I was a loan officer at the credit union and some douche bag walked in asking for a "retro anticipation loan" I I too would laugh my ass off even knowing full well you guys were getting one. What kind of asshole would ask for that type of loan.....oh wait...I know what kind!!!! Dumb Ass
Excellent cite with other cool tools. I am angry I am just finding out about this site now. Does anyone know if fivefrank.com is run by CPD?
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Yes, run by an officer from 011. He is a computer genius. I have no clue why he is on this job and not making big bucks in computers.
If I was a loan officer at the credit union and some douche bag walked in asking for a "retro anticipation loan" I I too would laugh my ass off even knowing full well you guys were getting one. What kind of asshole would ask for that type of loan.....oh wait...I know what kind!!!! Dumb Ass
1/05/2009 10:59:00 PM
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Are you really clueless enough to believe that was true? Humor. That was HUMOR, not the factual narrative of an actual event. Geez, get a grip.
Anonymous said...
If I was a loan officer at the credit union and some douche bag walked in asking for a "retro anticipation loan" I I too would laugh my ass off even knowing full well you guys were getting one. What kind of asshole would ask for that type of loan.....oh wait...I know what kind!!!! Dumb Ass
1/05/2009 10:59:00 PM
The proper question you should be asking is what kind of asshole would believe a post like that to be anything other than what it is, police humor.
I will try to get a car title loan on my '92 Chevy Impala instead. That should be worth more than my retro check anyway.
"The Pilot program is just a PACIFIER! If the contract gets settled, no more pilot for 6 years!"
The pilot programs were generated by the FOP-there are three versions. In an ideal world- several districts would adopt different schedules so we could have some chioces.
Economic reality-which program elminates 25 captain's salaries and benefit packages? 10 hour days...coming to all the districts near you.
Thanks to everyone for the kind words, as well as the constructive criticism.
Please let me know if you think of ways for me to improve the existing applications on my site, as well as new applications that you would find useful.
CL - 011
Anonymous said...
"The Pilot program is just a PACIFIER! If the contract gets settled, no more pilot for 6 years!"
The pilot programs were generated by the FOP-there are three versions. In an ideal world- several districts would adopt different schedules so we could have some chioces.
1/06/2009 07:37:00 AM
We DO have several schedules in several districts. Have you been under a rock?
5 Districts, One Area, One unit, three different schedules.
$67000 spent for cappuccino machines for CPS - Overpaid $12000 for them. Yea we're broke... no wonder!
"We DO have several schedules in several districts. Have you been under a rock?"
No asshole- but apparently your clout got you somewhere you don't have to think about the little people who can't get into a unit.
this article is in the local newspaper about Daley taken care of his clout buddies
The deal cost Chicago taxpayers at least $13.5 million. But it hasn’t worked out as planned:Daley's clout deal puts homeless shelter in the red
WIN-WIN LOSES | Everybody was supposed to benefit. But things didn't turn out as planned
Chicago's Finest stand up for your rights- everyone else does it..
Lets not let Daley politics screw us over in this contract members must demand retro pay and salary increases to keep up with the cost of living in this city!
"We DO have several schedules in several districts. Have you been under a rock?"
No asshole- but apparently your clout got you somewhere you don't have to think about the little people who can't get into a unit.
1/07/2009 08:13:00 PM
You are incredibly stupid!!! You can use a PAR form and bid. Holy Fuck your dense. All the different schedules have been implemented in districts, not units. Pull your head out of that stinky shit hole would you. HOLY BALLS GUY!!!!!
1/08/2009 07:56:00 AM
Truth hurts- and for the record- I was not complaining-read my original post again without your head up your ass.
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