Rumors of Retro
There have been a lot of rumors floating around the comment sections lately regarding "no retro" being part of the negotiations.
Any contract offer that doesn't include retroactive pay should be voted down without hesitation, because we will win that one in arbitration. We've gotten retro in each of the past contracts and an arbitrator is bound by previous agreements, not the City crying poor.
We certainly can't believe that the FOP would be negotiating its own dissolution and decertification should they actually be seriously considering a "no retro" contract.
But then again, we've been surprised before.
Any contract offer that doesn't include retroactive pay should be voted down without hesitation, because we will win that one in arbitration. We've gotten retro in each of the past contracts and an arbitrator is bound by previous agreements, not the City crying poor.
We certainly can't believe that the FOP would be negotiating its own dissolution and decertification should they actually be seriously considering a "no retro" contract.
But then again, we've been surprised before.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:34 AM
226 Comments:
"Everything is on the table, everything."
it's a scare tactic, pure and simple.
a page out of the book.
RELAX !
Just like Donahue sold us out in the BIS fiasco, he will do the same with the contract. He is posturing for a yob i mean job.
now ill drink some more wiskey
Dude, how am I gonna buy my Harley?!
I've already got the "Bad 2 The Bone" tattoo!
Have it on good information that cuts are being made all over the department to fund our retro checks.
City wont budge on the 1% for the first 2 years of the contract. So the retro check wont even pay for 6 months tuition of a private H.S.
My vote will be NO!!! Would be nice if the FOP and FireFighters Union started a public information campaign that started questioning WHERE all the money has gone from the leasing of the Skyway, Midway, Parking Meters etc. BUT we have all this money for the Olympics.
Nevermind...Thinking that our FOP would exhibit the balls to undertake such an endeavor such as standing up to the Daley Administration/Machine is just a waste of time.
SHORTSHANKS! YOU THIEVING BASTARD!!
I want ALL of my retro money & ALL OF THE INTEREST IT EARNED!
oh, and btw... DO THE ACCOUNTING CORRECTLY... some of us went round & round on the last time we had retro money coming... that money is not a "windfall" per se from according to an IRS source... any taxes paid should be at the difference between old & new pay rate if I can recall not an almost %40 whack like a windfall dammit.
Hey Donohue (Do-not do)... want to try updating the membership a little more? We already know you won't go after the midget, reckon you're looking out for that cush do nothing job for the county like some of your immediate predecessors... stop being a hump & justify yourself to the membership! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING? We desreve better that a contract update from June 08!
The only problem I see with not getting retro pay is that there is absolutely nothing less I can do in the 8 hours that I'm at "work". So how is not getting back-pay going to inspire me to do less than nothing. This sounds like one helluva pickle!
Boys & Girls,
You can take this to the bank. Our Mayor is planning on selling the few assets this city has left.
L.S.D., your heard right, Lake Shore Drive. It will be sold to German company that will make it a "toll-way", just like the sky-way. Starting at $ 4.00 a hit.
The new City tax on your wages is a done deal !
Watch for Feb for the Mayor to announce this in a few weeks.
I really thought the mayor was my friend. I was wrong. I just got my walking papers today, Sunday from 100 K plus job in transportation.
I am going to lose my house and family by spring.
If retro is less than 5% it will be voted down easily.
No Retro= No Work
I cannot imagine the city CRYING poor, but actions saying SPEND SPEND SPEND that anyone would believe they're POOR.
wait a minute, Eddie King came to our roll call in 025 and told us we were getting retro checks
oh wait, that goof never gets anything right
be prepared for no retro checks
Retro is up to an arbitrator. Historical precedent and past practice are that retro pay has been given. However, nothing is state law guarantees retro pay. Part of the law regards the city's ability to pay.
Hey boys & girls, It's Lt. Richie Scotchbreath for his first posting of 2009. Boy o' boy things in this department are changing quicker than a cross dresser trying to get all his female clothes off before his wife walks in! I was never able to do that fast myself, maybe that is why I am divorced.[hic-up, burp & El'Gas-a-roo!]
I say phewy on no retro pay. All hogwash. We are going to get a nice big and fat retro check because the city wants us to spend all that cash here in Chicago and boost the economy. We all know that 70% of the officers on this job will blow their retro check in less than a week. From a new car they don't need, an expensive gift for the girlfriend and a cheap gift for the nagging wife. Others will make high risk investments such as wagering it all at the gambling boats. It will be a Chicago stimulus check. [hic-up, burp & El'Gas-a-roo!]
I heard Capt. Jimbo Spratte say that he plans on purchasing a large warehouse with his retro check and make it into the Jim Spratte Police Museum. Spratte plans on display case after display case of his awards, medals and priceless artifacts from his 1001 homicide arrests. There will even be one of those machines they use to have at the local zoos that cast wax figures of Jim Sparatte for the visitors (for a nominal fee). [hic-up, burp & El'Gas-a-roo!]
As for my retro check, I am going to pay my bills. Well actually just one bill, my bar tab at TR's Pub. They have been pressuring me to cough up a little cash towards it.
So relax my fellow C.P.D. officers, Mayor Daley is going to give us all a nice hunk of change to bring the Chicago economy back up. Hard to justify no retro check for us when he increased the Supt.'s pay by 300%! I bet you didn't think of that.
Well got to run! Capt. Spratte and I have joined a yoga club. The only yoga club in the city that serves alcoholic drinks. And if you ever have tried to hold big old Spratte in the inverted "Y" position after a couple of drinks, you know what I am in for.
Sincerely,
Lt. Richie Scotchbreath
Self Proclaimed Mayor of TR's Pub
We'll get retro, so the guys at FOP can.
Why even have a union if daley can treat us like this. The money was already budgeted, he should pay !!!
If the FOP even entertained this thought for a moment I'd hope they'd be bright enough to see the writing on the wall. If they agreed to no retro what shortcomings would befall the city that they'd ever settle a contract in a timely manner again, thereby breaking the unions!!!!
But then again .... I'm probably asking for too much here.
Dear SCC,
I have been a policeman for 18 years now and have always loved and respected "the job." I will ask you these questions: Are wage freezes without precedent? Is Mayor Short Cock crying poor? and last but not least: Have you looked at Atlanta? Not only a wage freeze, but a ten percent cut in pay. Hey FOP go initiate another CR number on the Civilian Superintendent and fuck us. That is what is happening and nobody is helping the rank file, only selling us out.
Last night I said "informational picketing," tonight I say maybe we need something more radical. I will put it out there for debate, because we need to get the City's attention right the fuck NOW.
NO RETRO?
And they think activity is down now? I can guarantee you if that is the case, then no revenue activity will be genertated for the city. I predict IOD"s and Medical time will increase. It is ok for shortshanks to screw us over with no retro but, if you owe the city a dime he will send his collection agency after you. There is a brilliant idea. FOP get off your lazy ass's and go after shortsahnk like a collection agency.
Nothing they could do would surprise me
This is just an idea. But if we take no retro that is fine as long as they back load the contract. The raise must be at the minimum of 24 %. That way we would receive a 16 % raise as soon as the contract is signed and sealed. Sure its not the quick 7 or 8 grand that we are all waiting for but if you do the math over a career we would be much better off.
Also, if we do not get retro we should get an extra 20 furlough days. That way we can have more time away from the bs of the job. Sure I would love more money and a lump sum retro check is always good, but more time off is just like money in the bank
The city is crying poor, so the FOP should try and negotiate something were we get much more time off. This would not cost the city any money at all. Not to mention it is obvious shortshanks is not worried about manning all the cars each and every day, so he should be all for the extra 20 days.
Rumors of no retro are just that, RUMORS!
Don't believe it. Wait till you hear any settlement announced by the FOP and bear in mind the economic climate. Also keep in mind that in arbitration we will kiss goodbye to any alternate work schedule. An arbitrator will not and cannot give that to us. That must be negotiated.
If we go to any one of the alternate work schedules it will mean more days off per year. The city will likely want some type of tradeoff. Keep this all in mind.
One thing is for certain, we will not be seeing any 4% raise each year for the next 4 or 5 years. Be happy with an average of 3% and be grateful we are all still employed.
The FOP doesn't care about you!
Nothing less than 4-4.5% raise each year with retro. The alderpimps voted them selves 6% and gave their staffs a 5% raise. The teachers, laborers electricans plumbers,CTA water dept streets and san all got new contracts with good raises with out having to wait when their contract expired so hell we should get a good raise with retro. Scrrew this city I hope they kill 700 this year. Daley needs to look in the mirror every time the crime stats go up. No contract, shitty equipment and we are severley shortstaffed with incompetent leadership (not just J fraud) but a high percentage of exempts are clout idiots.
Never should a contract of no retro in its clause be voted for. You have earned those monies.
Enough is enough.NO RETRO,then it's time to start talking of DECERTIFYING our ballsless union.
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
WAAAAAAAA!! I can't take this frickin city anymore!
This is one rumor I don't believe at all. SCC you hit the nail right on the head. Should the FOP negotiate no retro that would be the end of them instantly.
The FOP would be overwhelmed with phone calls as would the city for people demanding to be part of fare share instead of the FOP.
The offer is no retro and retire at 55 with full health insurance paid.
How about we look at the entire offer before making a decision on retro pay alone. If the FOP trades retro pay, I am sure that they are getting higher future earnings in trade resulting in more in the long term. The city cannot afford retro right now, we should capitalize on this with either more money or better beneifits like lifting residency.
we will vote no and thats what shortshanks wants so he can sit on the money a while longer.
dont do shit for this city
Or maybe the city could do a pay freeze. They don't have the money so take what you get and be glad you have a job. The city could hire replacements for you at half the cost.
Off topic:
What's the story about the Sgt. who took a serious off duty beating, and is alleged to be in a coma? Saw a line or two about it in yesterday's blog, and then NOTHING. Anyone have additional info? Prayers go out to the man and his family.
If this so called fucking union we are stuck with even sits at a table where no retro is talked about, we should immediately move to have them ousted. I realize it's easy for the armchair qb to say we could do a better job at representing the rank and file, but how much worse could we really do. This is our career and lives at stake here. That money would mean the world to a lot of cash strapped coppers, presently company included. Mark Donahue, it makes me sick to call you and the rest of your useless staff fellow policemen!! Fight for those of us fighting it out on the street.
Not a rumor. True that city budget is pushing this item in contract talks. Of course the eeconomy is the blame for everything now a days. Unfortunantly I hear this argument is gaining more traction with the current budget shortfalls and will continue to be pushed unit the contract either comes to a vote or goes to arbitration. DOnt think the arbitrator will take the police side in this. What the city is asking for is a salery freeze (read no retro check) from June 2007 - 01 Jan 09. A 3.5 % increase beginnin 01 Jan 09.
That means your retro just started collecting money three days ago.
I agree totally, as that would set up an untenable bargaining position there after. As it is the city is in no hurry to settle a contract, except for the retro pay. Without that they would never have to settle.
Why is it the city settles with every other union in a matter of weeks or a month or two? They have the power to strike. So the city drags their feet with the unions that can't strike. The city is the reason it takes so long to get a contract.
To then say they can't afford the retro pay, is like the kid that kills his parents and goes to court and asks mercy from the court because he is an orphan!
Vote it down if no retro, just for the precedent it would set.
OT
Just think! Had the Bears won last week, we'd be watching them get knocked out of the playoffs today. Every time they lose, it aggravates me for a couple of days. Now though, I get to watch what is usually the best weekend of NFL football without the Bears pissin' me off!!!
Well I can tell you this. 43G73 sure has big balls. Saturday night, he worked 1700-2145 Hrs. How do I get those hours. Even though he knows he is being watched he leaves early with no slip dropped. MM if you havent figured it out yet your being watched and its getting documented. How does his boss who is a former inspector let this happen? Maybe hes just clueless? Anyways some people are just that arrogant that when they know they are beig watched they still figure they are above everyone else and dont have to obey they rules. Sound familiar. Can you say BLAGO! Stay tuned the rumor has it hammer is coming soon in the form of IAD and a little thing called theft. A&A s say your there and your not = TROUBLE.
Dude, how am I gonna buy my Harley?!
I've already got the "Bad 2 The Bone" tattoo!
STAY OFF THE BLOG JUSTIN.
No tickee, no washee
Here are my suggestions for trimming the budget in the appropriate areas to fund necessary city services (like our paychecks and snow removal):
Eliminate the fireworks at Navy Pier. If the economy gets better they can always be brought back. I will go along with the huge expense for July 3rd...for many families, it's an annual event. However, fireworks during the weeknights all summer long should be eliminated.I'd love to know just how much they cost. Who needs them? Oh yeah...TOURISTS.
Reduce the freaking flower budget. I keep hearing that we are in dire economic times...if so, then how are flowers going to help? Oh yeah...TOURISTS like them. So decorate Michigan Avenue and be done with it already.
I'm not even going to address the jumping jack things for summer block parties....
Give police jobs back to police officers...lockup, desk, activity clerk, etc. Get rid of the civilians and cut that payroll.
Anyone else have any other realistic ideas?
Talk of decertifying the union is ridiculous. It's a process frought with all kinds of dangers and almost always leaves a union far weaker than it was before. Daley loves to hear such talk.
I guess Pooky is more important than you and me. The city has no problem paying out shit-heads for total nonsense but we have to scrounge for crumbs.
Crying broke but the ghetto thugs who get shot by police for their participation in illegal activities will be paid handsomely? This is just? Fair? Legal? Fuck no!
There is only so much crow this department can swallow. When will we have our fill?
so the FOP should try and negotiate something were we get much more time off. This would not cost the city any money at all.
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Wrong! Daley would never agree unless it was without pay. 20 extra days off would be nice, but the city would still have to pay our salaries and you know as well as I Mayor ShortShanks wants to save money for his precious Olympics!
Lets just say that this is true. Just watch all them two wonders STILL come in with all their activity. Gang & tact also. MSF, you heard it here first.
Heres a question...would you trade "no retro" for a change in residency? or even 20 and out?
I might think about that. Maybe that would be a good trade for the future. Nothing now but the ability to retire earlier or the ability to move from this corrupt city might be something to think about
some assholes on this blog think your bad for asking for any increase or just keeping current pay and benefits. we were promised good pay, pension, health care and other benefits when we TESTED for job. now the city due to their own irresponsible (criminal) loss of funds wants to punish us. i believe we are totally justified in doing less for less. could we go to the city and say its been a bad year i cant pay for my city sticker , water bill etc. and im not going to pay for the last two years either. im sure the the city would understand. im sure the people calling us dog,whiners etc. are exempts but none of them would stand up to a westside rev. or crooked alderman. your job is your family nobody else cares about you.
Anonymous said...
This is just an idea. But if we take no retro that is fine as long as they back load the contract. The raise must be at the minimum of 24 %. That way we would receive a 16 % raise as soon as the contract is signed and sealed. Sure its not the quick 7 or 8 grand that we are all waiting for but if you do the math over a career we would be much better off.
Also, if we do not get retro we should get an extra 20 furlough days. That way we can have more time away from the bs of the job. Sure I would love more money and a lump sum retro check is always good, but more time off is just like money in the bank
The city is crying poor, so the FOP should try and negotiate something were we get much more time off. This would not cost the city any money at all. Not to mention it is obvious shortshanks is not worried about manning all the cars each and every day, so he should be all for the extra 20 days.
1/04/2009 06:36:00 AM
I only wish this guy was right. Quit dreaming about the absurd.
Keep my retro and my raises if you repael the residency law.
You think it can't happen here? Google Vallejo Calif.the city filed bankruptcy because of the high cost of Police and Fire.
IF it goes thru,they can forget about contracts and there will be rollbacks in pensions and salary,plus other benefits.
From what I gather,
the average Police and Fire $ is$90,000 ayear with perks, and the officers want 90% plus perks at 20yrs. and out
I'll give up the retro for a fair contract, PROVIDED that the City council retroactively agrees to freeze their salary at 2007 level and give back that automatic generous raise that they always seem to give themselves in good or in bad times, without fail.
No politician on any level (Fed,State,County,local) has ever earned a pay raise PERIOD!
All politicians suck..no disrespect to "Shaved" (the blogger).
"One thing is for certain, we will not be seeing any 4% raise each year for the next 4 or 5 years. Be happy with an average of 3% and be grateful we are all still employed"
1/04/2009 06:56:00 AM
Sure goof, that would be fine and dandy if we didn't work for a crook and do-nothing alderjags that didn't hesitate to give themselves a 6% raise in these TOUGH times. I believe all the other unions were given a raise with retro as well. This scam artist sold the skyway, airport and parking meters for billions and treats it as if it is his personal bank acct, so fuck him crying poor. It is nice not to have to worry about getting a pink slip having been in that spot before, but we CHOSE a job many would never want. We have to reside where we are told, pay the highest sales tax, use schools that are shit or else shell out thousands per child for private and my fucking city sticker cost me $180.00. Anything under 5% with retro and I'll be on the medical for a year.
Have it on good information that cuts are being made all over the department to fund our retro checks.
I REMEBER THE CITY WIDE TEAM, WHEN THEY FIRST RAN ON PROMISES THAT RETRO'S WOULD BE THE BIGGER PORTION OF THE RAISE UP FRONT...NOT
One thing is for certain, we will not be seeing any 4% raise each year for the next 4 or 5 years. Be happy with an average of 3% and be grateful we are all still employed.
BE GRATEFUL? YOU MUST BE A CITY SUCK-HOLE
Why even have a union if daley can treat us like this. The money was already budgeted, he should pay !!!
FOP IS NOT A FUCKING UNION!!! STOP SAYING THEY ARE. HOW MANY YEARS HAVE PEOPLE BEEN POSTING THAT? IF WE DON'T GET A RETRO, WRITE TO THE DIVINE SAVOUR OR HOWEVER YOU FUCKING SPELL IT OBAMA AND SEE HIM WORK HIS MAGIC. YEAH RIGHT
"City wont budge on the 1% for the first 2 years of the contract. So the retro check wont even pay for 6months tuition of a private H.S."
They try that shit and daley, weis and the alderfucks wont know what hit this city with the rise in crime. The guard will look the other way and let everyone in.
I personally know sombody down at City Hall and I was told that we probably will get almost anything that we ask for, now that is all fine except for one thing, that asshole Donahoe selling us out and doing the mayor a favor by not asking for all we deserve. The city has to have a contract agreed upon by April if not the Olympic committee takes ous out of the selection pool. For once we have leverage and it probably won't be put to good use. I have total faith in Donahoe that he will pimp us out and we'll get a mediocre deal at best.
There IS a job action that can be taken..It will just take some of us to suck it up for about a month and make due with just your pay check.. STOP WORKING ALL SPECIAL. No CTA no airport no schools. Of course, coppers being coppers--ain't gonna happen
Well I can tell you this. 43G73 sure has big balls. Saturday night, he worked 1700-2145 Hrs. How do I get those hours. Even though he knows he is being watched he leaves early with no slip dropped. MM if you havent figured it out yet your being watched and its getting documented. How does his boss who is a former inspector let this happen? Maybe hes just clueless? Anyways some people are just that arrogant that when they know they are beig watched they still figure they are above everyone else and dont have to obey they rules. Sound familiar. Can you say BLAGO! Stay tuned the rumor has it hammer is coming soon in the form of IAD and a little thing called theft. A&A s say your there and your not = TROUBLE.
I hope they look at Capt. Spratte's A&A sheets for the last few years. Talk about someone robbing the city. This slob had the nerve to jam a copper up for leaving 15 minutes early to get to a side job who ended up getting 5days off, when this fat hypocrite never worked a full tour in his career. Just ask the secretary's who have consistently falsified the A&A's over the years so Jimmy can get his early ducks after 4hours.
DONT TRUST MARK DONAHUE!!!!!!!!!!!!
A pure and simple Bull Sh*t rumor. But coppers a worse than 20 13 year old girls at sleep over.
What we have to worry about is little Dick Daley's attempts to go to a two tiered pension plan like the CTA did.
Dear Mr. Fitzgerald lock up this little dork now!
Sincerely,
Lt. Richie Scotchbreath
Self Proclaimed Mayor of TR's Pub
I thought that Sgt TM was the new Mayor since you went on the medical
Lay off the FOP! They're the only thing got me out of Englewood. I'd have run for union office, but was 125 lbs too light and didn't have the 2 extra chins required in the FOP bylaws.
1/04/2009 09:21:00 AM
Typical whiny little bitch. If you don't get the breaks, you rat out someone that is. Go cry to your mom you rat fuck.
contract= 0 + 0+6+6 raise. 4year deal. wanna bet? no retro.the union is trying to save as many light duty spots as possible. city wants to eliminate these spots entirely.this contract is going straight to arb. i have 1 question..the city treats us like shit and is a brutal negotiator...why does our union say we have to ''play nice'' with them? we need to get down and dirty. tell the media that shortshanks has mismanaged our monies. tell the media to follow the money trails out of city hall. show us the books if the city is broke.funny...shortshanks always finds some nickels in his pocket for his bullshit projects..but F all of us.
Most idiot coppers will vote yes to any measly raise and scrap they get thrown to them. This dept. has no leadership and it trickles down to the rank and file. I remember the years of the crappy raise all you mutts voted in. The next day the parking lots were filled with new cars and toys, bust outs like freaking bust outs! Think before you vote to ratify some piece of crap
To the person who claims that MM from 44g73 left early wihtout a slip. In case you didnt know, that capacity doesnt answer radio jobs and can adjust his working hours as needed. Meaning that he may have come in on another part of the day and left and made up the remaining hours afterwards. The area gun teams can do those things because of the nature of their work. I was on both an area midnight gang team and then a gun team before and we adjusted a lot. The reason for that was to conserve on overtime funds. So you mr/mrs wanna be RAT, you stand corrected!
Lets first start with the Superintendent getting paid the true amount he needs to get paid. Hell, Cline, Hillard, Rodriguez etc. were ALL the police with 30 plus years of real police work. They didn't get paid half of that and guess what, they did not fuck the department like he has DONE! It will take us years to try to get back to where we were before this idiot came! Because of him and his actions, hell, the contract supporters we had are thinking again! He is also NOT doing a damn thing with Homeland Security, so that was a BS salary increase from the start. Hell, he can't even run the police department effectively.
Why does Mike Masters make almost $180,000.00? Why is Lynette Helm a fucking Chief and making over $150,000.00? I know we talk about bosses all the time just for the hell of it, but she is the most incompetent piece of shit on the department. All she does is kiss but and go from one emotional breakdown to the next every freaking day! She has a staff of idiots, especially her suicidal, bi-polar secretary. I called and asked ONE simple question, just one, and it took an act of GOD to get an answer. By the way, I got the answer from a different unit that should not have had to address my concern.
Lets start clearing out some of the positions like....why does the Superintendent need a Chief of Staff when he has TWO Asst. Superintendents? Why do we need a Deputy Supt. of Patrol when we have TWO Chiefs? Why do we have a Mobile Strike Force Commander, TWO Gang Commanders and a TRU Commander? If you gave the Districts all of that personnel, guess what, the Districts would be able to impact crime in there area more effectively than any of those units put together. That would save us 3 Commanders pay, give us at least 9 LT's., 20 plus Sergeants in patrol and at least 600 officers back to street level daily policing and not the 4 hour police, because they will not have to report and have roll call at one location and then drive for another hour to another location, don't forget about coffee and lunch on the way!
District Commanders have to run these piece of shit districts and be Street Deputy? I work in the Detective Division and for the last 3 months, every homicide scene and the 2 police shootings I have been a part of was handled by Commanders. Everyone did fine, but what the hell, one of the Commanders also had an incident in his District so by the time our night that turned into day was finished he was absolutely delirious and was no good at that point to me!!!
Which brings me to another point. Why is it that Dana Alexander got promoted. He lead the city in every shit category possible. He spent more time chasing his drag queen secretary and being a part of any petty bullshit that could be found instead of leading and directing as he was put in the position to do. Even now, I hate to see that idiot coming when we have to handle a major incident in Area 2. He attempts to talk a damn good game but does not know shit. Our Commander would normally do what he could to work with the Area Dep. Chief, but he and his staff are so fucked up, we all just stay away. He will sink or swim on his own. I am sure he will sink, he is too stupid to swim!
RULE # 1: Never ever, ever give something back that you already have, NO IFS, NO ANDS, NO BUTS....If the City freezes your income or raises it will directly effect your pension, so now you'll be taking it upfront and in the end. The pension board determine your pay based on your highest latter year salaries and they don't count promises, IOU's, or good intentions. This is one hell of a crossroad for Officers who careers are just beginning or midway. I would strongly suggest that YOU who are still on active duty, put aside alot of your bickering and finger pointing, the City has always dealt with a divided department, this has always given them the upper hand in the past. Its time to get over the hair gel nonsense, house mouses, sons and daughters of supervisors, politically connected ones, bad bosses, bad press, stupid politicians, judges and ASA's, street urchins, reverends, living outside of the City and all other distractions. These things were in placed when you got here, exsisted while you are here and will be here when you are gone. If there is no United Front by the rank and file, you surely will be taking another fucking, and that's just the facts. A 1% raise is an affrontal to common sense accepting this will leave YOU open to continued abuse by the City. The only thing that is left is to FUCK them before they FUCK YOU!!!!
Holy A Man with a Plan Batman!!!
Any member of the negotiating team who even suggests to the membership "no retro" as part of the new contract proposal should be terminated from their position on the fop board, dept and ran out of this city tared and feathered.
I am very much aware of the economic conditions of this city and how recklessly our local politicians have brought us to this point using new age revenue projections, over taxing and spending on pet projects that benefited pay to play friends, relatives and politically connected business associates.
J-Fed's salary alone is a fucking joke and the idiot who made this deal with him is our biggest fool. I know that I keep harping on this ex-fed guy, it ain't just me. Academics, professional law enforcement authorities and rank n file officers think Army Capt. Forest Gump must be a terrorist trying to sabotage the safety and well being of all citizens in this city. Clean up the dept? Any fool can fire people. We have plenty of idiot bosses to do that job at half the price. Running the third largest law enforcement agency in America in these threatening times is just...just...too much for Gump & company to handle.
Leasing of parking meter revenues and landing fees at midway should support our city pensions in par with other fair share raises negotiated to other city unions within the last year. 4% annual. Eight year contracts?
Our police dept represents about 900 million dollars of spending power. All police officers live in the city and invest by spend dollars in this city. Giving police officers retro checks and pay increases will only help to stimulate our local economy.
I agree there are a lot of bullshit rumors going around about how this contract is being negotiated. One of those is leading to a special pension deal. We all know something is up since the fop has not resorted to arbitration yet...our union is dragging its feet intentionally.
Whatever offer presented to us. I know we need cold hard cash in hand to get people back to work. I intend on spending my payroll dollars locally and on Americans.
China, Taiwan and Japan is going to getting short changed by me for awhile until things improve here.
Let's see, in exchange no retro I would take:
1) No residency
2) Better work schedule
3) More furlough
How can the Mayor and our Aldermen allow the Superintendent to publically say that 2008 was a year of tansition and 2009 will be a year of results!! How fucked up is that? Can we have that salary back from 2008? Hell, Beavis and Butthead could have done better than that!
So all the police that lost their lives, all the citizens, innocent bystanders and kids that lost their lives should keep in mind that 2008 should be forgiven becuase that was a year of transition! This year, which by the way has already started on a good number of shootings and homicides will be better because I have demoralized the department even more, promoted more incompetent upper level management, I have left the patrol officers even more short with equipment and manpower because I have to start all of these bullshit units becuase I have to make a name for myself, but I found the money to fix the BS GPS systems that keep killing batteries, I also found money for swipe machines, but you don't need any new equipment, new tires for the snow or hell, a descent car with heat that works. I have a Tahoe, a Crown Vic and all of my drivers have nice take home cars!!!
Fuck you very much Mr. Not My Choice for a fucking Superintendnet. You will always be remembered as Jfed, the worst Mayoral Appointed Superintendent in the history of Chicago. Alderman Pat Dowell, thanks for stepping up and being the ONLY Alderman in the city to stand up for us and say that appointment is bullshit!!!! How come she saw it coming and none of you other aldercreatures did?
The offer is no retro and retire at 55 with full health insurance paid.
1/04/2009 08:10:00 AM
You are so full of crap your eyes are brown. Quit making things up.
This rumor comes up every time. And you idiots entertain it. Too funny.
You know what I heard, (and i'm the mayor's friend and I work in the supes office) the city will no longer allow us to drive in cars. We will all be assigned police bicycles. Its a two shot. City saves money on gas and maintenance, and Weis gets his "fit" police officers.
Entertain.
I'm not really sure whats more embarassing, the mayor and the bosses or the police officers themselves. I still see patrol cars pulling people over for stop signes and writing parkers.
Take the money and run people. Give nothing back.
Anonymous said...
I cannot imagine the city CRYING poor, but actions saying SPEND SPEND SPEND that anyone would believe they're POOR.
1/04/2009 02:57:00 AM
DOESN'T MATTER!!!
NO ONE CARES BUT US!
DALEY EASILY GETS THE PUBLIC ON HIS SIDE BY SIMPLY SAYING WE ARE ASKING FOR TOO MUCH MONEY & OUR CONTRACT WILL DESTROY THE BUDGET!!!
Just a historical note. Back in the days of Daddy Daley, we went two years with NO RAISES. He said the condition of the national and local economy could not sustain an increase. Does this soound familiar.
Or maybe the city could do a pay freeze. They don't have the money so take what you get and be glad you have a job. The city could hire replacements for you at half the cost.
No they can't.
You people are all fools!
How much do you actually think that your retro check is going to be?
Take a 1.5% raise for the 1st year and the same for the second year.
Figure it out. It aint much.
All you care about is a couple grand in retro pay. How about you look at the entire contract. Pay is not the only issue that you need to concern yourselves with.
Look at the work hours, look at the overtime issues, look at the medical issues, etc. etc. etc.
Look at the contract as a whole because if the city screws us on any part of it I will be voting NO.
Once you lose something in your contract you never regain it.
I am guessing that those who are scared by this have never been through a contract negotiation before.
One thing is for certain, we will not be seeing any 4% raise each year for the next 4 or 5 years. Be happy with an average of 3% and be grateful we are all still employed.
1/04/2009 06:56:00 AM
Remember kids, if we go to arbitration, it is also based upon PAST PRACTICES. Every contract that I have been here for (18 years), we went to arbitration and we have received a 4% raise per year. I am also including the 2% first 6 months and 2% last six month in the contract. I know it is not a true 4%, before the accountant in you has to write back.
The teachers got a 4% raise and I believe the laborers union got 4% also. The city cannot go cry poormouth when they have already set precident with other city agencies. Arbitrator will look at this and say no way unless the "fraternal organization" we belong to negotiates this away.
The only reason the others settled so quick is because they can strike. We have a no strike clause which ALWAYS drags our negotiations out.
Remember, we are all we have.
Back each other up.
SCC, will you please run for FOP next time around? We need some leadership.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
This is just an idea. But if we take no retro that is fine as long as they back load the contract. The raise must be at the minimum of 24 %. That way we would receive a 16 % raise as soon as the contract is signed and sealed. Sure its not the quick 7 or 8 grand that we are all waiting for but if you do the math over a career we would be much better off.
1/04/2009 06:36:00 AM
What crack are you smoking son? 16% when the contract is done!?!?!?!?! try 2%.
not a quick 7 or 8 grand!?!?!?! Have you ever got a retro check before? Start lowering those expectations. All contracts are back ended so that the retro check will be as small as possible.
I figure about $1500 might be the retro check. 1% of annual salary for 2 years.
To: 1/04/2009 09:21:00 AM
You are a part of what went wrong with our deparment. "I'm going to whine and complain because somebody might be getting better perks than I". If you were getting the same perks I bet you would take them. Stop using this site to be a bitch rat on another officer.
a vote for no retro IS a vote for decertification!!!
westside, inside do-nothing said...
The only problem I see with not getting retro pay is that there is absolutely nothing less I can do in the 8 hours that I'm at "work". So how is not getting back-pay going to inspire me to do less than nothing. This sounds like one helluva pickle!
1/04/2009 01:54:00 AM
Hey DIPSHIT! It's not meant to 'inspire' your lazy ass.. IT IS MONEY THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY WORKED FOR WHILE OUT OF CONTRACT, HENCE 'RETRO', OR RETROACTIVE PAYMENT for... just forgeti it. Odds are you have kneepads and are well on your way to being a boss!!!
Anonymous said...
This is one rumor I don't believe at all. SCC you hit the nail right on the head. Should the FOP negotiate no retro that would be the end of them instantly.
The FOP would be overwhelmed with phone calls as would the city for people demanding to be part of fare share instead of the FOP.
1/04/2009 08:06:00 AM
How does that hurt FOP? You still pay most of the regular dues.
I believe all that accomplishes is taking you out of the Legal Defense Plan... Correct?
I'm curious...
What value would you Chicago coppers put on the following:
Exemption from the Crook County Sales Tax for say a three to five year period.
Would you accept that as retro pay.
Respectfully,
DW
(not a cop)
Question:
A few contracts back, when Nolan was out ill, didn't Bob P. and Co. agree to a contract with the city and it was voted down by the membership, but since the union agreed we had to accept it?
Anyone remember that, if so please explain?
oh weeee----- cannot wait til my ex gets a raise. Better for me too!
Lt. Richie Scotchbreath said...
...Capt. Spratte... yadda yadda yadda... alcoholic drinks... yadda yadda yadda...
Lt. Richie Scotchbreath
Self Proclaimed Mayor of TR's Pub
1/04/2009 04:01:00 AM
Obviously YOU find this humorous... the rest of us just think its dumb.
Seiser ordered a Big Mac at Burger King, and got one.
I am in no way defending the FOP or its board, but this needs to be put in context.
Numerous unions, public and private, have been told they can either take 10% pay cuts or 10% layoofs. Choices like this have been presented to San Francisco police and firement, basically all California state workers, and most other states.
There is no way the city will give out raises freely when every other city and state in America is cutting back. Not when revenue in Chicago is falling short and money is almost impossible to borrow.
04 Jan 0837hrs
Pay Freeze????
Hire replacements???
Are you a fucking moron????
REGARDING: Lt. Richie Scotchbreath said...
hic-up, burp & El'Gas-a-roo!] Please, SSC, Eliminate this idiots comments for 2009. We have had enough hic-upping, burping, gas passing, etc. during the past year. This is a major problem with the police department. This site is turning into a bathroom wall. I don't care about Richie Scott or Jimmy Spratte hanging out at TR'S and I'm sure most of us that read this site to be informed and updated on issues don't either. This person is a coward, probably dumped off the 008th District Tactical Team. Why don't you show up at TRs and approach Scott or Spratt like a man and quit making the rest of us suffer with your immaturity? Anyway, each and everyone of us are feeling the day to day hardships of not having our contract settled. We have had no pay increase, however, EVERYTHING around us has increased in price...groceries, utilities, taxes, medical care, clothing, did I say taxes??? Even though shopping in another state and county has helped a little, paying the higher costs have become a hardship for all of us. Instead of coming on this site ripping each other apart, why don't we come up with a solution to UNITE! You know what that is right? Do something together. The slow down is the best start to get the attention of the city, however, if the city is not getting money from coppers writing tickets, etc., the cost of everything else goes up and this cost is passed on to us too (the coppers). Our Union is not helping too much either. We need some real ideas, not slamming each other, snitching on who goes home early, making fun of guys from different units, REAL IDEAS. And forget about the living outside the city idea. You can do that when you retire. Mr. Mayor of Shitcago ain't gonna let that happen. Us city workers pay the bills. Thanks
Ok, Not retro on the table?
here's what I want in return.
1.Double all vacation, personal, and bfd.
2. monthly tax free cost of living stipend. (like the military basic allowance for housing) The city matches whatever the federal rate is for BAH- 2009 BAH for an E-1 in Chicago is $1617.
3.City pays ALL healthcare premiums
4.City will match $1 for every $1 of an employee's contribution up to 3% of deffered comp contributions, plus $0.50 for every $1 you contribute on the next 2% of salary. .
5.Tax free vehicle stipend of to cover commuting costs (court, etc.)
6. tax free education stipend to cover ANY training you want.
7.Officer's can volunteer to work extra shifts on their days off for time and a half.
8. 4 hours min comp time for all court
I think these may be some reasonable concessions we can make if the city "needs" to not give us retro.
90 DAYS TO SPRING SAYS:
We are being sold down the river by a Cabal of disception which includes City Hall, FOP, County, [Stroger] and State and National Politicians [Durbin-another police hater like Daley]. If we don't get yearly raises which compensate for the tremendous increases in taxes by the City, County, and State, then we should at least be allowed to live wherever we want to, as long as we get to work when scheduled. We should get one or the other, based upon tax increases, past, present, and future, as we're, paying for schools we don't use for our kids, etc. I could live in Indiana and be at work much quicker than if I lived in Chicago up by the O'Hare Airport Area. We should minimum get 1.75% first yr, 3.75 second yr; 4.75, 3rd yr., 5.75, 4th yr. to keep up with all the Economy troubles and future taxation out the roof. MINIMUM...
Teamsters Union needs to be our union.
Hell with this City won't Budge crap from the FOP. If they won't, then what do we get in reciprocation? FOP, do your job, and quit being the ball-less eunichs you've been for years now..
De-Certification of FOP is now on the table as far as I'm concerned. How shameful of FOP to even listen to the City propose this without walking out and contacting all members for informational picketing of City Hall. FOP, hire some REAL Contract negotiator Attorneys, you give and piss away all our Dues money anyway, ASS-CORKS...
Cooter said also, Donahue sold us out in the BIS fiasco, he will do the same with the contract,And likes grape kool-aid.
"Or maybe the city could do a pay freeze. They don't have the money so take what you get and be glad you have a job. The city could hire replacements for you at half the cost.
1/04/2009 08:37:00 AM"
They could for you.
And get twice the work.
Seeing as all you've ever been good at is sucking up and your lips no longer have that youthful elasticity they once possessed.
Same is true for your bung hole.
Really sucks to be a worn out daley whore, doesn't it?
The city could hire replacements for you at half the cost.
1/04/2009 08:37:00 AM
LOL, thanks for the laugh. No one wants this job now at full pay. Get real.
If city made residency an option they can have my retro and raise for next 5 years!!!!! And if any of you bitch about residency go screw yourself.....
Get NY City's PBA , and dump the FOP, Fraternal Order of Puppets[for City Hall] forever... Reminds me of the Fraternal Order of Raccoons on the Old Honeymooners show, with Donohue as Ralph Cranden. Hummada-hummida-hummida-hummida.
Further, every member should drop a letter to FOP indicating that they are against ANY FOP Official going out of town on ANY Meetings, Events, outings, etc; and that they are expected to be here 24-7 working on getting us the best Contract in the Nation, which we deserve. ONE FOP Rep can attend the Nationwide Events in D.C. as a rep, NO golf outings, vacations, etc; disguised as out of State Meetings, etc. These elected Officials are not up to par in my opinion, and are not going to get there playing golf and barbequeing on my dues money. It is not the CPD Rank-and-Files fault that the Daley Administration, via unchecked spending on un-necessary items, has plunged the City into Debt, most of which City Hall has Stolen, and complete Malfeasence. Why is it taken out on the CPD, why not the precious Teachers, the Streets and San Dept; the other City Departments? We're at fault for this Idiot not knowing how to be fiscally accountable? Look at our Equipment, squads, the unsanitary working conditions we work in, our cost of living here, our past raises getting COMPLETELY eaten up by Tax increases, etc; and all we hear is Talk, Talk,Talk...Blah, Blah,Blah....
All no retro means is that there will be no raises for the last 18 months. That wouldnt be totally unacceptable IF there were huge concessions in lieu of that
Like free health insurance at age 55 More days off and opening up the "good' Units for bid etc
I doubt you'll get those things but dont jump the gun
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Every contract its the same story...some fucking idiot copper says "i heard this",and all the other idiots w/2 or 3 years on,believe it.I have worked through 4 contracts now and each time the rumors were started..."NO RETRO"...quit worrying..
WHEN IS THE MSF GOING TO HAVE CAMERAS INSTALLED IN THEIR VEHICLES. THEY NEED TO BE PROTECTED FROM THE SLIPPERY SLOPE. YOU WOULD THINK THAT THE DEPT. WOULD DEMAND THIS ABOVE BOARD SAFE GUARD. UNLESS THEY ARE WILLING TO RESORT TO ANYTHING TO STOP THE INCREASE IN VIOLENT CRIME. SOG,GANGS AND SOS HAVE ALL HAD PROBLEMS, LETS STOP ANY PROBLEMS BEFORE THEY HAPPEN. THESE YOUNG OFFICERS ARE WILLING TO WORK LETS PROTECT THEM. GIVE ME ONE GOOD REASON WHY MSF SHOULD NOT HAVE CAMERAS. THE FACT THEY DONT IS STRANGE.
If we get no retro pay, I will quit this fuckin Mickey Mouse Department, leave this ghetto ass city and go move to Idaho, where I can live like a free man and don't have to worry about invaders and illegals taking over my neighborhood.
Rumors of no retro are just that, RUMORS!
Don't believe it. Wait till you hear any settlement announced by the FOP and bear in mind the economic climate. Also keep in mind that in arbitration we will kiss goodbye to any alternate work schedule. An arbitrator will not and cannot give that to us. That must be negotiated.
If we go to any one of the alternate work schedules it will mean more days off per year. The city will likely want some type of tradeoff. Keep this all in mind.
One thing is for certain, we will not be seeing any 4% raise each year for the next 4 or 5 years. Be happy with an average of 3% and be grateful we are all still employed.
1/04/2009 06:56:00 AM
Happy to have a job? Are you fucking nutz?
This is the Police Department. Not the bullshit jumping jack program. I think it would be a good move by the Mayor to lay off Police in a period of transition in the Department initiated by him, which had resulted in an increase of murders. That would look good for the Olympics, or Daley's convention business, any casino debate killed on the spot. Do really think he has that much faith in Jody, MSF, or Leo? Fuck No.
If Jody fails the Mayor will take the heat, it was his pick and Jody was an outsider. I hope your not in some capacity for the FOP, because your an idiot. We have plenty of bargaining chips but retards like you are to fucking stupid to see it. I'm not saying we can jackpot the city, but there is plenty of ammo to get a fair contract regardless of the economic climate.
The rumor is that retiree medical insurance at age 55 to 58 is possible, IF the FOP gives up something BIG. The retro check may be it.
We might loose over 1,200 to 2,500 senior people this year if suddenly people who were maxed out or nearly there didn't have to pay thousands in medical premiums.
Stay safe, and don't kill crime on paper.
Your All Lucky To Have Jobs.
Now You Expect To Be Rewarded With A Contract, and a Raise.
Get Real !
That's not Jimmy Hoffa; you have there as a bargaining agent.
You will take whatever I decide to offer.
Right now I'm trying to figure out how to sell off the whole CPD to some private security outfit.
I just have to "Adjust The Laws" a little.
PS: Have A Nice Day, and Be Safe Out There.
Love "Your Mayor"
Daley hates the police department, plain and simple. Always has and always will. He shows his "love" many ways including making us fight tooth and nail each and everytime our contract is up. Daley and the city council is NEVER on time with a contract and makes us wait 2-3 years everytime our 4 year contract is up. We get table scraps for a raise and never a cost of living added in. The retro is a joke and we never get all those tens of millions he makes in interest on our money. We as police officers have the most dangerous and stressful job out there but we get treated the worst from our glorious asshat of a mayor.
I got a fever! And the prescription is more cowbell!!!!
Anonymous said...
nobody is helping the rank file, only selling us out.
Last night I said "informational picketing," tonight I say maybe we need something more radical. I will put it out there for debate, because we need to get the City's attention right the fuck NOW.
1/04/2009 04:39:00 AM
I agree with this writer 100%. The administration at Lodge 7 is horse shit! If we sit around and wait for the Lodge to present the proposed contracts IT WILL BE TOO LATE!!!! To think that keeping the negotiations close to the chest and not providing membership/media with details/plights/roadblocks is ridiculous. The entire city is looking for someone/a reason to blame for their living conditions/rampant crime/lack of overall service from all city agencies...Provide them with a face and reasoning for this...Get on the bullhorn if necessary MARK!!!! The last thing king dick wants is bad PR right now....bring him a shit load!!!!!Back the semi full of cow shit up to city hall and dump it!!! That is, if uncle richie hasn't already tucked you into his bed!!!
Not looking to blast you, just trying to get your attention!!!
ELECTED OFFICIALS OF LODGE 7, please, stand up and do what the members of your lodge are looking for you to do---SOMETHING!!!!!
TAKE CHARGE FOR ONCE!!!!
Use the city's vulnerabilities against them!!!!
The members who elected you will follow suit.
PLEASE,
Titis
Retro Check Estimator:
http://www.fivefrank.com/tools/retro_estimator.php
It's my money and I want it now!
(remember that, brothers, when the FOP ask for ratification)
We only want to get paid for the work we have already done!
Keep your fourth eyar raises. Just give us 8% for the first and 6% for the second.
Anonymous said...
Dude, how am I gonna buy my Harley?!
I've already got the "Bad 2 The Bone" tattoo!
1/04/2009 01:20:00 AM
Just do what sgt ebay and T.K. did:(fill in the 5 letter word)
You have worked for the same wage since 2007. So the Wage freeze implemented by no retro would be the equivalent of a 7-8 percent pay cut,with no retro, or, at best, 7-8 percent interest free loan to the city, should they pay retro.
Personally, I don't see how the city can afford the Olympics if they stiff the police for two years.
We will get Retro. It would be enbarrassing to the city should that not happen.
The FOP wants to avoid arbitration so people can get insurance and retire at 55. But most of us aren't in that position. We don't care who gets free insurance at 55 and won't trade money for it. That is how the city divides us.
The FOP could be a lot better at this. But their hat is in the ring. They mess this up, they will be out on their ass.
I really thought the mayor was my friend. I was wrong. I just got my walking papers today, Sunday from 100 K plus job in transportation.
I am going to lose my house and family by spring.
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If you worked in the transportation department for Daley you probably didn't earn that $100Gs, and should have never had a house or a family any way. So you lost nothing that you should have had in the first place. You're even, or maybe a little ahead. Have thanks for the memories. The dinners in Greektown with your coworkers, the free parking....
I would give up the retro if they dropped the residency rule.
Ot
Big news. Charges expected to be announced on a cop killer
city settles with all other workers because they buy political tickets or preceint captains
wake up hair gel don't take it personal
Great move,
Worry about the few thousand in the RETRO while your future ( pension) is going into the toilet. Prediction_ end of year - less than 45 % funded. You new guys just do not get it.
old retired guy
I will wait and see. There just seems nothing more that we can do, honestly what can we do? I don't expect a big pay raise or even any raise but as I see it retro is owed to us.
quit worry about it. You have yet to vote on a contract so nothing is given away. hell how many of you read your current contract. sounds like not a one of you.
With the economy like it is, do you really believe an arbitrator will give you 3% a year retro? think about it. It is not going to happen.
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The biggest problem with a "no retro" clause is it would further encourage the city to delay future contract negotiations. Regardless of any benefits, health or otherwise, the city is offering, it is dangerous to even negotiate a no retro clause.
The city already has an incentive to stall negotiations because the city provides back pay with no interest penalty. But, if the city had even a remote chance of avoiding ANY back pay, then the city would do everything in its power to delay a contract.
This would not only include stalling negotiations and arbitrations, but would also encourage the city to fight ANY arbritation order in court for as long as possible. The only thing that keeps the city from doing this anyway is the possibility that a judge could order back pay WITH INTEREST.
A no retro clause is a precedent police officers cannot afford to set.
And for the rest of you who think that demonstrations will get the public on our side, you are fools! The people in this city do not like the police. They certainly aren't going to support officers getting more money.
We are alone in this fight.
8:51 is probably the closest to what's going on. This will not be pretty. This contract should be more heavily back-loaded then. That 24% by the end is what it should be.
OT
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Just days before a high-stakes showdown in the nation's capital, the man selected to take President-elect Barack Obama's vacated U.S. Senate seat sought spiritual and political sustenance tonight at a church on Chicago's South Side.
Warm words of support and prayers for Roland Burris at New Covenant Church contrasted with the frigid reactions from Senate leaders, many of whom say his appointment by embattled Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich is so badly stained that Burris shouldn't be seated when the new Congress convenes this week.
January 4, 2009 at 8:16 PM
I was speaking to a Union Steward from CFD the other day and the city is offering them a back loaded contract with retro pay included in a five year deal. They are going to reject the offer because the city wants them to increase the variances of their personnel ( in essence, work with less personnel per apparatus). So I can't see them not offering a retro package to CPD as well.
Anonymous said...
Or maybe the city could do a pay freeze. They don't have the money so take what you get and be glad you have a job. The city could hire replacements for you at half the cost.
1/04/2009 08:37:00 AM
Sure Tribune Reader- Wonder why no large numbers of people are interested in this shit job anymore?
Ass-holes like you - Ask me to fetch your slippers White Boy and I'll gut you like the yuppie pig you are.
Yes Sir Boss!
Trade retro for residency. I am all in for that. No retro=even less contact.
I'd trade no retro for max pension at 25 and a day.
Based on a 2% raise over the last year and a half, the city would owe us all about $2500 up til Jan 1st. This would vary depending on over time and hours sold back. That comes out to about 25 Million,a nice piece of change but about the equivelant of 5 small snow events. City is just blowing smoke
What we have to worry about is little Dick Daley's attempts to go to a two tiered pension plan like the CTA did.
1/04/2009 11:04:00 AM
You are 100% wrong. If you care about yourself getting a pension when you retire the best thing for you is going to a two tiered pension system. That is the future and the longer we hold on the more likely it is that there will be no pension for any of us.
"I would give up the retro if they dropped the residency rule.
1/04/2009 06:54:00 PM"
You have it in your power to end residency: quit.
westside, inside do-nothing said...
The only problem I see with not getting retro pay is that there is absolutely nothing less I can do in the 8 hours that I'm at "work". So how is not getting back-pay going to inspire me to do less than nothing. This sounds like one helluva pickle!
1/04/2009 01:54:00 AM
It seems obvious due to the corner you've been painted into your best option might be to cut down to working less than 8 hours.
If city made residency an option they can have my retro and raise for next 5 years!!!!! And if any of you bitch about residency go screw yourself.....
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Unless you already paid off your house, do you really think your going to get what you ask for? I highly doubt it. Now, if you still live in your mom's basement or attic, then residency might benefit you.
"1/04/2009 12:53:00 PM"
Are you suggesting that this poster isn't the real Lt. Richie Scotchbreath?
Anonymous said...
I'd trade no retro for max pension at 25 and a day.
Make it 20 and a day, deal is done.
"....the rest of us just think its dumb.
1/04/2009 12:14:00 PM"
I think it's fucking hilarious.
Does that mean I'm not one of '...the rest of us...'?
Retro Check Estimator:
http://www.fivefrank.com/tools/retro_estimator.php
1/04/2009 05:39:00 PM
Thanks for the website.
As a tax paying citizen, I am compelled to say : YOU are overpaid.
The thing everyone is missing is the City is not offering anything in return for no retro. Just a pay freeze. Like I have said previously informational picketing and if that does not work, then we will have to think outside the box.
The FOP does not bargain in give and take, the FOP just gives. Does anyone remember how the FOP forgave a debt the City owed to our pension, which by the way is underfunded.
The City is not "Fucking" us the City, the Mayor, and FOP are "Raping" us and I say no more.
The FOP should negotiate a contract, send it out for a vote, so we can reject it, then send it to arbitration. In a timely manner. The way it is going right now the contract will be sent out for a vote by the end of the year, and arbitration should start about 2010, that will put us at the three year mark. Sound about right?
We should give in to nothing! I am happy I have a job, but all you have to do is count the number of people retiring every month to know this department and this City are playing games with the numbers. They have the money in the budget for 13,000 and there are probably about 9,500 active.
Where is the money for the other 3,500 going? Into another fund and away from us.
Teamsters can't be our Union because we aren't allowed to hang out with them. Police Rules and Regulations. ie: They're all mobsters.
"Where was that job squad?" "My radio is breaking up." "Hold me down going into the station for new equiptment."
Regarding the post - 1/04/2009 12:53:00 PM
GET RID OF LT. RICHIE SCOTCHBREATH FOR 2009? Are you joking dude? He is a lot more funnier than your long winded bullshit post!
You must be the male cop who gives Spratte and Scotchbreath their hot oil full body massage.
Now S.T.F.U. please.
Why do we have 3 sgt. at arms and 3 vice presidents on the FOP ? seems like a waste of our money - there should only be one of each.
And get us our retro pay you bums ! (with more than 2%)
"City saves money on gas and maintenance, and Weis gets his "fit" police officers."
And speaking of "fit"....did anyone ever see the Supt take the annual CPD Fitness test late last year? Or RayRay, the Sgt. who created the 'fit-test' Carbine program? Can anyone check to see if they passed muster for last year's fitness test? Just wondering.
I rarely side with FOP on many issues. Let's see if the rumor is true. No use worrying about something that could be total B.S.
If it is being discussed and or entertained, then the membership needs to be heard.
This Dept wouldn't know "Retro" if it slapped us in the face. Retro is cool and ever since Weis we are just so uncool.
I'll do no retro for 55 and out with free insurance.
I wish people would stop with residency bullshit. If they lifted residency who would buy a house in MG OP EP Beverly GR etc? These are places that 80% of coppers live. Your house would be worth 20%-30% less overnight. Plus, what little political power we have now would be decimated.
Another thing, the burbs aren't the utopia some seem to think they are. property taxes are as high, while some stuff is cheaper it isn't that huge a deal, especially since most coppers do most of thier shopping in the burbs anyway. It is markedly cheaper way west southwest, but, you are commuting 1-1 1/2 hours each way.
I would take a property tax holiday instead of lifting residency.
I think a sweeter raise in the neighborhood of 18-20% at ratification is more likely.
Anonymous said...
I'm curious...
What value would you Chicago coppers put on the following:
Exemption from the Crook County Sales Tax for say a three to five year period.
Would you accept that as retro pay.
Respectfully,
DW
(not a cop)
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Sorry, NO.
I do not shop in Crook County.
I shop mainly in DuPage County and save a ton of money on taxes.
1/04/2009 12:01:00 PM
The Shitty gave the teachers 4%/yr for 4 years. That sets a precedent.
We demand at least that.
As the largest labor block in the city, Daley is looking to get us to settle cheap, thus everyone else falls in line.
Daley said the City could not afford to plow the side streets.
If the city can not pay its basic duties, why are you even thinking about the 2016 Olympics???
So, yes I would like an exemption to the sales taxes. By the way, all my out-of state relatives that used to visit, do so no longer. Now we visit them. Purely because of the sales tax being 6% in their state. They refuse to pay 12% here.
I might be convinced to take no retro IF the teachers had not gotten 20%.
..and if Stuttering Midget's Band of 50 Thieves had not given themselves 6% each of the last 2 years.
It is obvious that Daley wants to break the unions. Or at least bring them to heel.
Because that is what a Democrat/Socialist does:
Concentrates all power in the hands of the state.
The aldermen gave themselves a 6% raise so I guess that is what we are getting.
To Those Talking About Trading for Retro, etc.: You can take the following to the bank.
1 - The City WILL NOT, nor ever, lift residency. The argument that our tax dollars fund our salary is a very good defense (in negotiations and arbitration) and though I hate it, the City will win this in arbitration EVERY time.
2 - There is only one statistically proven thing that affects the occurence crime...the number of deterrents that exist to impede it. If the City chooses to not replace retirees and increase hiring, crime will escalate at a much greater clip than that of 2008
3 - The City will NOT compress the salary schedule in exchange for no Retro. It would compel too many retirements too quickly which would result in them having to shore up our pension fund which is miserably underfunded.
4 - The City will not declare bankruptcy to void our contract. Watch the City's bond ratings. If they start falling, you might consider this possible...but last I checked the City's Municipal bonds were still in the A range. OUR current contract is safe and would only be at risk if we were to decertify.
5 - Decertification should NOT BE SPOKEN OF OR SUGGESTED, especially when our contract is being negotiated. I am not happy with the FOP at the moment for not keeping us up to date, but they remain the ONLY representatives that we have that the City MUST negotiate with. Keep that in mind.
6 - Any attempt to "replace" some of us has already happened with the TMA and traffic cameras.
7 - An arbitrator is COMPELLED to look at the salaries and relative rate increases of other City entities (Alderman, etc) when considering raise percentages (and the ability of the City to pay) in binding arbitration. I will guess that our "new" contract will look a lot like the last one...nothing overwhelmingly good, if not barely acceptable. There will be retro pay.
The citys offer includes retro. And as far as raises are concerned, they have offered the sgts 17% over five years so, there is money despite what everyone is saying.
They really want sustained CR's to stay in your record for your entire career which is gonna be a hold up and it looks like the compromise on the free medical is 57.
And to the goof that wrote about being happy to have a job just remember you're doing the job that 3000 additional officers were needed to do a couple of years ago to do and that money has been alloted and spent on other things so consider a raise the least they can do for us for holding it together...
"As a tax paying citizen, I am compelled to say : YOU are overpaid.
1/04/2009 10:46:00 PM"
Thank you, pookie, you're non taxpaying opinion has been duly noted.
There is no way the city will give out raises freely when every other city and state in America is cutting back. Not when revenue in Chicago is falling short and money is almost impossible to borrow.
If the teachers and laborers got 4%a year, we will get the same, they can't offer less, and won't give more, the other unions would get it also, we will get retro, so don't worry. Is this your first contract or what?
Hey Tax-paying citizen: Next time, call yourself! I pay taxes too.
I'll vote NO to any proposal brought forth by the FOP asking us to take no retro. I will, however, entertain any and all of the following scenarios in lieu of no retro. Since these are "negotiations" and the little Dictator is orgasmic for the Olympics, we have leverage. We need to use it and demand the higher limits. We are trading off no retro, which is a win for the City up front. Members win on the back end. A "win-win" for both.
1) 10% salary increase in contract year 3 AND 4, for a total of 20%.
2) 20 years of service and out at 80% pension. (ISP)
3) Full medical coverage at age 55 and 50% at age 50.
4) Immediate and FULL funding of our current pension fund by the City in advance of ratifying any proposal.
5) A card, akin to a credit card, issued by the City to members which allows for members to present to merchants for purchase of any and all goods, (i.e. groceries, gas, clothing etc.) This card would exempt members from city tax. Both member and spouse would receive identical cards. It would be valid until the ratifiction of the next contract, or extended at that time.
The little guy grows more gray every day. Look at him on the TV, he looks unkempt and unhealthy. Don't give in to any of his nonsense and posturing on TV. He's desperate, and he knows the membership knows it. I'd rather roll the dice against this guy and the city and lose than give in to any of his grandstanding.
Have it on good information that cuts are being made all over the department to fund our retro checks.
I REMEBER THE CITY WIDE TEAM, WHEN THEY FIRST RAN ON PROMISES THAT RETRO'S WOULD BE THE BIGGER PORTION OF THE RAISE UP FRONT...NOT
1/04/2009 10:36:00 AM
Yup
They also said we would not have to wait as long fr a contract as we used to.
Ok, Not retro on the table?
here's what I want in return.
1.Double all vacation, personal, and bfd.
2. monthly tax free cost of living stipend. (like the military basic allowance for housing) The city matches whatever the federal rate is for BAH- 2009 BAH for an E-1 in Chicago is $1617.
3.City pays ALL healthcare premiums
4.City will match $1 for every $1 of an employee's contribution up to 3% of deffered comp contributions, plus $0.50 for every $1 you contribute on the next 2% of salary. .
5.Tax free vehicle stipend of to cover commuting costs (court, etc.)
6. tax free education stipend to cover ANY training you want.
7.Officer's can volunteer to work extra shifts on their days off for time and a half.
8. 4 hours min comp time for all court
I think these may be some reasonable concessions we can make if the city "needs" to not give us retro.
1/04/2009 01:02:00 PM
You are the next F.O.P. president my friend!
I say no retro... fine then let us live out of the city!
I do as always with Department and City... BEND OVER AND TAKE IT!
How many officers go to the Union meetings?
How many officers know when the Union meeting is?
How many officers know where the Union meetings are?
A CONTRACTUAL RIGHT IS THAT MEMBERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO HIT THE MONEY BOX!!! HITTING THE MONEY BOX IS NOT A JOB ACTION. UTILIZE YOUR CONTRACTUAL RIGHTS.
REPLACE THE FOP WITH THE TEAMSTERS AND WE WILL GET A REAL CONTRACT!
Anonymous said...
Why do we have 3 sgt. at arms and 3 vice presidents on the FOP ? seems like a waste of our money - there should only be one of each.
And get us our retro pay you bums ! (with more than 2%)
1/04/2009 10:56:00 PM
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Well its like that OLD POLISH joke you see..........
1 Sgt at arms to hold the TAPPER straight and firm...
1 SGT at arms to yell the commands...
All as the three VP's (stooges) turn the KEG....
And presto FOP drunken stupidity!
Anonymous said...
I wish people would stop with residency bullshit. If they lifted residency who would buy a house in MG OP EP Beverly GR etc? These are places that 80% of coppers live. Your house would be worth 20%-30% less overnight. Plus, what little political power we have now would be decimated.
Another thing, the burbs aren't the utopia some seem to think they are. property taxes are as high, while some stuff is cheaper it isn't that huge a deal, especially since most coppers do most of thier shopping in the burbs anyway. It is markedly cheaper way west southwest, but, you are commuting 1-1 1/2 hours each way.
I would take a property tax holiday instead of lifting residency.
I think a sweeter raise in the neighborhood of 18-20% at ratification is more likely.
1/04/2009 11:22:00 PM
Residency lifted? Why to pay more in taxes for property in the burbs? More for water? expensive garbage pick up? Sorry I will pay private school tuition here, the shit is moving everywhere anyway with the liberal shit state of corruption 101 illinois!
three examples of the city crying poor:
teachers: 4% across the board
laborers: prevailing wage
and last but not least, the people who truly know the state of the city's finances.
aldermen: 6%
what they are telling you is that everything is just fine.
Please stop bickering about money or giving anything up. It has been the practice of the city to give something in a contract only to take it away at the next contract. My point is don't give up anything now for a future reward, it won't be there. Count on it. 55 with full benefits is great if you are ready to retire. Give up nothing. The fop is stalling only to drag this closer to the Olympic deadline. Let's unit and hold little Dick's feet to the fire.
"As a tax paying citizen, I am compelled to say : YOU are overpaid."
And you are clueless Susan Dey (her L.A. Law character was anti-gun until she became a victim)-you have no idea how much we do or the danger we face. This isn't a job you can judge the worth of a worker by being a casual observer. You're probably just pissed someone wrote you a ticket-get over it.
By letting the contract expire, the city gets to pay officers 1% for those years without a contract..if they had a contract in place, and on time, then the city would have to pay more...the city will shuffle its feet as long as possible..
If mayor and aldermen get raises..I get raise...I figure they have had 10-30% increases within the last 10 years each time and I have had about 5%..so they owe me a shit load. Check that money box!!!
Anonymous said...
"As a tax paying citizen, I am compelled to say : YOU are overpaid.
1/04/2009 10:46:00 PM"
Hey, Mr/Mrs/Or Both Tax Paying Citizen, do you rent or own?
You big goof! You try doing what a beat cop does for less. There isn't enough money they can give me for having to deal with whiney pimpy ass tax payers like you six days a week. Go "f" yourself. Give me your address and I'll refund your dime that goes to the police.
Where my retro is?
I say no retro... fine then let us live out of the city!
1/05/2009 01:37:00 AM
Sure!!! Then all the homes that officers own in the 'nicer' areas will see their values plummet and won't be able to sell. You sir- are a moron.
The free medical at retirement is part of a deal where everyone will have to pay something (payroll deduction or City takes portion of time on the books) to cover us all. It will cost you even if you don't use it - keep working, other job after retirement, spouse's insurance, etc. It's questionable whether that approach would pass legal muster>
How about 50 and out with free insurance. Is the pres or vice pres of FOP 54 years old?
--If the teachers and laborers got 4%a year, we will get the same, they can't offer less, and won't give more, the other unions would get it also, we will get retro, so don't worry. Is this your first contract or what?--
Is this your first deflation or what? Go to Google and hit the "News" tab, and then read articles about cities and states in trouble. They all are. Every last one. And lots are pushing cuts. Cuts in salary, cuts in manpower, cuts in infrastructure spending, cuts in everything.
You point to teachers and laborers getting a 4% raise, but somehow miss the massive layoffs and furlough days imposed on laborers and the cutbacks at the board of ed?
You and others need to get real. Find the last time that Daley was able to float a bond. Its been awhile, and there are other bonds steadily coming due. They have two choices. Either raise money or cut spending. They've raised money everywhere they can short of a property tax hike, and even that wouldn't make up for the declines in property values unless a hike in percentage terms was very large.
Nope. Its spending. I'm not insulting any of you, just pointing out what is happening in the rest of America. There is no escaping the deflationary spiral we are in.
Indeed, the city will argue that you don't need no retro because things like houses cost LESS now.
What I suspect the city will do is give some retro percentage, but then 0 or very close to 0 going forward. And that they will be willing to take to arbitration.
You guys might want to give serious consideration to the idea that not having a contract may well be to your benefit.
Inflation might well be a lot worse 2 or 3 years down the road then now, and a 3% raise might be 10% cut.
Many people talk about lifting the residency rule but how many people can realistically move. If you bought your house in the last five years it is undoubtedly worth less now or at least just worth the price you paid. If you bought your house 20 years ago, it certainly went up in value but isn't worth what you thought or needed it to be. How many people would sell their house and move to the burbs to start over. Would you take your kids out of school, incur a longer commute for you and your spouse. I would love to live outside the city but it would not be a reasonable opportunity to me. Maybe if I was closer to retirement it would be.
On another note, I get very leery when talking about medical and retirees. I came on before we paid for medical. We were asked to pay a dollar or two in an effort to help retirees health care. I know that I am factoring in health care costs when I retire and it is a determining factor in how I save, spend, and when I will retire.
I have 20 years on and wonder how much else will change in the next 5 to 10 years when I do retire.
Happy New Year to everyone.
Or maybe the city could do a pay freeze. They don't have the money so take what you get and be glad you have a job. The city could hire replacements for you at half the cost.
No they can't.
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Its just a matter of time until they replace most revenue slots at the PD with cameras and non-cops writing the citations. I bet the cost to replace those slots is a whole lot less than 50% of what it costs to have a cop writing the tickets.
"1/05/2009 12:44:00 PM"
Liar.
As in, the lie by omission.
1. TIF monies.
2. Lease of Midway monies.
3. Lease of Parking Meter monies.
4. the mysteriously invisible 'rainy day' monies.
5. bloated, and yet to be cut, crony salaries.
6. insane overruns, never attempted to be recovered, paid to the crooked contractors who daley and company see fit to hire over and over and over.
7. city employee pension fund mismanagement and blatantly fraudulent 'investments'.
There's money, lots and lots of money, all of it being the taxpayer's money.
It's just that the midget and his cronies don't want to pony it up.
After all, once they get their paw prints on it, they figure it belongs to them.
If we get no retro pay, I will quit this fuckin Mickey Mouse Department, leave this ghetto ass city and go move to Idaho, where I can live like a free man and don't have to worry about invaders and illegals taking over my neighborhood.
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no you won't. All the McDonalds are fully staffed out there.
"The Box Chevy Phantom says..."
20 & out @ 80% (regardless of age) since Police Officers lose years of/quality of life (especially due to the nagging injuries of active participation in Circus Maximus Tyrannus Rex Daley). It's actually pitiful when I look & listen around the station... So many P.O.'s with limps, torn up knees & shoulders, bad backs, repaired tendons, metal pins & plates etc.
All you knuckle-headed civilians (and j-fed policy group & exempt provocateurs) who carp about coppers being overpaid & other such nonsense can go take a long shit in a lit fireplace. Feel some of the above pain, invest some skin in the policing game then you can mumble all the mega-shittage you want.
...and out of morbid curiousity, does shortshanks still have that actuarial study that was done on CPD officers under his thumb?
Supposedly the numbers were so grim even he blushed. (Yeah, like an old Fifth & Cicero hoe).
Does anyone recall the parties involved? Should be interesting stuff. Based on my observation & some "kentucky windage" the numbers should be just about back to what they were in the early to mid 90's when all the moaning & pissing about "you Chicago coppers are too old & too expensive."
What say ye SCC? Or is this better deferred to the resident council of sages (well seasoned they are indeed), i.e. Northside, Snethen et al?
"pea-soup green box chevy, one whitewall tire & 4 different wheel covers for $5.00 from Maxwell St. and clear plastic over the back window... is you the po-leece for real?"
Stay safe each & every one of you.
Anonymous said...
How many officers go to the Union meetings?
How many officers know when the Union meeting is?
How many officers know where the Union meetings are?
1/05/2009 02:20:00 AM
Those who got new GPS devices for Christmas might be able to find FOP hall. I know officers with 20 years on who have NEVER been to a meeting. They sure can complain though, almost like they know what they are talking about.
Anonymous said...
This is one rumor I don't believe at all. SCC you hit the nail right on the head. Should the FOP negotiate no retro that would be the end of them instantly.
The FOP would be overwhelmed with phone calls as would the city for people demanding to be part of fare share instead of the FOP.
1/04/2009 08:06:00 AM
The FOP is overwhelmed with phone calls now about the bullshit on this blog.
Anonymous said...
The offer is no retro and retire at 55 with full health insurance paid.
1/04/2009 08:10:00 AM
Bullshit. This is an example of baseless bullshit rumors. This is NOT true so don't believe it. If we get a raise and it goes back to the expiration of the contract then there will be a retro payment. Only a knock-your-fucking-socks-off type offer can negate the retro. Won't happen.
From my sources, I doubt we will see the 55 and free insurance this time. Most likely it will happen in one or two year increments over two contracts. No way will the city jump from age 60 to 55 in one leap.
They are afraid of losing 2,000 officers instantly and don't have the money to hire 2,000 nor do they have 2,000 eligible to hire. And they don't have the FTO's to train that many officers in a year.
It might, read MIGHT, go down one or two years at a time. To get from age 60 to 55 with free medical insurance would take at least 5 years. Gradually if at all.
Anonymous said...
Not a rumor. True that city budget is pushing this item in contract talks. Of course the eeconomy is the blame for everything now a days. Unfortunantly I hear this argument is gaining more traction with the current budget shortfalls and will continue to be pushed unit the contract either comes to a vote or goes to arbitration. DOnt think the arbitrator will take the police side in this. What the city is asking for is a salery freeze (read no retro check) from June 2007 - 01 Jan 09. A 3.5 % increase beginnin 01 Jan 09.
That means your retro just started collecting money three days ago.
1/04/2009 08:51:00 AM
Then I swear to God on the lives of all I hold dear, this City will get NOTHING from me in the form of revenue producing work for the duration of the contract. That's how that works. Fuck us Daley, we will fuck you back worse. Stick it in my ass, you Richard M. Daley will get it stuck harder and farther for longer. So help me God! And hear this, this is no rumor!
To 1/04/2009 10:46:00 PM
Sign up for a ride-along, then feel compelled
REPLACE THE FOP WITH THE TEAMSTERS AND WE WILL GET A REAL CONTRACT!
You have got to be kidding. They are worse than the F.O.P. .You think we get f&$#@d with fop. Teamsters make the fop look like a bunch of pikers.
The ones crying that police are overpaid are the same ones calling the police when "they 8 year old disrespected them". We get paid ok, but I think that if everyone else including teachers and aldermen are getting raises which are reasonably decent, then why can't we? We put up with a lot of aggravation and b.s. and have less liberties now than ever. So yeah, too bad they don't let citizens go on ride alongs anymore...you can feel "compelled" after that.
"They refuse to pay 12% here"
12% here? That moonshine is getting them....
WHAT WE NEED IS AN ANTI OLYMPIC COMMITTEE!!! THE PEOPLE OF CHICAGO SHOULD KNOW THAT THE OLYMPICS WILL NOT BE GOOD FOR OUR CITY!!
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