Attacking the Wrong Problem
Treating the symptom and not the illness. From the comments:
- Ok there are decoys going around each district trying to break district security. They have young people that work for IAD just trying to go around each station until they are detected. from what i understand 016 has passed & 025 has failed. NFI. Does anybody have any other info?
We know the stations are unsecured. They have been for years, decades in some cases. Brand new stations have built-in security flaws with non-working electronics, alarms, sally ports, etc. Those aren't flaws - they're features! Fixing these problems will take a capital expenditure Shortshanks isn't willing to part with.
So IAD might be sending people around to violate already unsecured buildings? What's the point of this except for a highly demoralizing and high stakes game of "gotcha!"? Some IAD urchin runs around a station snapping pictures, testing broken doors, wandering into processing areas and then what? A Commander gets called, dressed down, has to write a report? And since shit flows downhill, he's going to rag on the troops, further driving down non-existent morale? Maybe he'll down a few cars (as we've been hearing lately) to have officers sit in hallways monitoring broken doors, further shorting an already skeletal street crew?
We certainly hope that IAD isn't wasting time doing this on the orders of some nimrod who thinks they're addressing a problem. They're not. They're addressing a symptom of a Department that stopping giving a fuck. Apathy has set in and unless something changes very soon, that apathy is going to be set in concrete for the foreseeable future.
So IAD might be sending people around to violate already unsecured buildings? What's the point of this except for a highly demoralizing and high stakes game of "gotcha!"? Some IAD urchin runs around a station snapping pictures, testing broken doors, wandering into processing areas and then what? A Commander gets called, dressed down, has to write a report? And since shit flows downhill, he's going to rag on the troops, further driving down non-existent morale? Maybe he'll down a few cars (as we've been hearing lately) to have officers sit in hallways monitoring broken doors, further shorting an already skeletal street crew?
We certainly hope that IAD isn't wasting time doing this on the orders of some nimrod who thinks they're addressing a problem. They're not. They're addressing a symptom of a Department that stopping giving a fuck. Apathy has set in and unless something changes very soon, that apathy is going to be set in concrete for the foreseeable future.
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LET THEM IN!
THE WHITE SHIRT JOB R MAINTAINING THE BUILDINGS!
U HAVE UR WEAPON ON UR SIDE THEY PASS U IN THE HALL O WELL!
U CAN ONLY HOPE THE DESK CREW IS AWAKE!
And when the youth gets taken down to the pavement and cuffed for being an active resister, whose name goes on the defendant line of the lawsuit?
If you are in such a situation, and the "mark" gives it up, contact your immediate supervisor and give them the facts of what has happened. After they interview the juvenile that has agreed to help (many laws that prohibit this) IAD, then ask for the parents/guardian of the "mark". When momma shows up have her talk to the supervisor to initiate a number on the IAD members who should have known about our policies in regards to the use of force model....
Doesn't surprise me 025 didn't do well. So many civilians come in and out for various reasons through the rear door. Many are fixing the mulitude of problems in the place, tow drivers, janitors, court staff, the caps meetings with kids and seniors, ETC. One could go hoarse grilling all of these people not including the 70 new gang guys and those using the range. Da Mayo should take the first hit since he is our leader and cannot own up to his ever increasing blunders.
What the hell, just dress up as a drunken piss stained stew bum slime ball and walk in and lay down on the floor. No one will look twice at you.
yeah yeah... it'll be the same dumb shit as last year when j-fart rode into town. the exempts will fall all over each other trying to justify their existence by making their latest brain fart the order of the day. of course not being smart enough/not giving a fuck that said brain fart is illegal/a contractual violation/grounds for legal action/making affected p.o.'s "whole" i.e, causing shortshanks to spend some of his whore money... will soon result in said brain fart being rescended posthaste.
they will also run into each other trying to prove how they can beat the shit out of no clout coppers in patrol... (shout out to charlie williams, ya little dried up graham cracker) jackpot supervision, gotcha discipline, peck-sniff enforcement of the most arcane, obtuse,easily forgetable shit and obnoxiously unnecessary displays of rank & authority (simmer down commander borat).
actually the way i hear some of these bosses talk to p.o.'s this job is over-ripe for an extreme violence in the work place incident. all it will take is one idiot boss to tell a copper having a bad day/week/month/year with a sick spouse or child, fuck your wife and kids, no time due for you.
give these gold star idiots a little more time... they're starting to crack and turn on each other and shit is getting so bad that hopefully, their political sponsors are reluctant to give them cover for their dumb shit anymore and shortshanks will soon be rotting in a cell or standing on a stool with stout manila hemp knotted behind his left ear as charges of high treason & gross incompetence are being read... pray he does not escape the peoples justice...
014 has a p.o. on guard duty. nice way to spend 80 grand a year watching a door when a few hundred dollars would secure a door.
oh yeah this is chicago it makes perfect sense.
im sure hitting your head with hammer numerous time cures a headache
There are brand new stations, the ones with the electric keypad security locks on so called secure doors, that have these security features DISABLED because it is a "pain" to keep calling the desk to ask how to get in.
Hey, maybe the FBI, CIA, Secret Service and White House will disable their security features because it is a "pain."
CPD is and has been a joke, as an institution that is. Good individuals in most cases struggling against a bloated and ineffectual leadership structure. Of course this is all due to the corrupt centralized leadership put in place by our mayor shortshanks.
Jody is set up to fail, he will take any heat and shortshanks will come out clean, daley will never spend the money necessary to make this a 1st class department.
Are you officers expecting a raise? Forget that too. Daley has been quoted as saying we are "overcompensated" as it is. Take that to your retro calculator and see what it spits out.
Okay, how about saving the salaries of these nimrods and putting it toward say.... card readers or.....coded key locks..... or say.... anything that would actually secure the buildings. What idiot's idea was it to send people out to try to get into buildings??? WE ALL KNOW THEY ARE NOT SECURE>SO SECURE THEM!!!!!!!
Firsts you have to have an assessment of the problems. Playing undercover games is unnecessary.
Inspectors can see the same flaws, and do the write up.
I guess the USSS couldn't find the stations?
Or, the Supt finally realized how bad it looks to go running to "Uncle" for every solution? I wonder who told him?
Some IAD urchin runs around a station snapping pictures, testing broken doors, wandering into processing areas and then what? A Commander gets called, dressed down, has to write a report? And since shit flows downhill, he's going to rag on the troops, further driving down non-existent morale?
Or one worse SCC, one of these IAD officers that no one in the district knows comes wandering in thru a back door, gets challenged by a P.O. and decides to take his "undercover" role one step further, the P.O. see's the "undercover's" firearm doesn't know that this guy is reaching for an I.D. and the worst possible outcome one could ever have in their career just happened. Justified? YES. Will this P.O. just doing their job ever fully recover from this? NEVER!!!
Can I get an event number?
And when the youth gets taken down to the pavement and cuffed for being an active resister, whose name goes on the defendant line of the lawsuit?
If you are in such a situation, and the "mark" gives it up, contact your immediate supervisor and give them the facts of what has happened. After they interview the juvenile that has agreed to help (many laws that prohibit this) IAD, then ask for the parents/guardian of the "mark". When momma shows up have her talk to the supervisor to initiate a number on the IAD members who should have known about our policies in regards to the use of force model....
2/02/2009 12:19:00 AM
Wow, such a cowboy. I'm sure impressed, too bad your so stupid. There are IAD PO'S and SGT'S doing the checks, not "minors". Go ahead and show how manly you are by taking one of them down for no apparent reason...moron.
...They're addressing a symptom of a Department that stopping giving a fuck. Apathy has set in and unless something changes very soon, that apathy is going to be set in concrete for the foreseeable future...
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Corporate Attitude originates from the top of the chain and emanates downward. Attitudes that have been in place for years or decades do not change overnight. If you suddenly want them to, you must forcefully remind subordinates until its understood that you're serious.
It has been the Mayor's choice, for years now, to open up or CAPS-ize this Dept. Unfortunately, this is what has currently capsized the Dept, as well. Nice going, Richie. Its all your fault, so don't blame anyone else !
The desk crew on afternoon's in 025 is useless. They let anyone walk on through. One female assigned to the desk is always wandering around on her cell phone setting up security side jobs. Perhaps they could put her at a desk watching the back door?
PROBLEM IS EVEN THE COMMAND STAFF DOESNT HAVE A CLUE ABOUT WHAT TO DO> WHY ARE THEY IN COMMAND-CLOUT PERIOD> WAIT UNTIL THERE IS A REAL DISASSTER THEN WE WILL BE IN THE SHIT RIGHT DALEY??-SEMPER FI
WHAT WERE THE COMMAND STAFF TOUGHT IN LEADERSHIP CLASS? ZERO ALL U NEED IS CLOUT SO WHAT DO WE EXPECT THE COMMAND STAFF TO DO PULL SOMETHING OUT OF THEIR ASS AND LOOK LIKE THEY ARE PPROBLEM SOLVING! BE PROACTIVE NOT REACTIVE BUT THEY WERE NEVER TOUGHT THIS> WHY NOT PROMOTE PROVEN COMBAT LEADERS FROM OUR MILITARY INTO THE GOLD STAR RANKS-WE HAVE MANY A PO THAT HAVE COMMANDED AS LT COLS IN COMBAT IN IRAQ/AFGHANISTAN SO WHY NOT GET THE BEST AND PROTECT THIS CITY>WANNABE FAT CHICKEN "NEVER BEEN TO COMBAT" RESV Airwing SGTs (ads) NEED NOT APPLY-SEMPER FI
That's what I like about the upper exempt bosses - THEY ARE MASTERS OF THE OBVIOUS!
SSC, we AND they know what a problem station security has been. What do they gain in pointing out the obvious, as a "gotcha" tactic? They want challenges, then you challenge a boss and he/she says, "Don't you know who the fuck I am?"
The clear majority of exempts are pathetic.
And speaking of pathetic, I was at 35th and see this white shirt park right in front of the place in an unmarked, put on his hazards, come in to the bldg and go upstairs. If that was a blue shirt, someone would be out there telling them to move the car. I learned that this knucklehead has been told by the PO's not to park like that and he just keeps on doing it.
Just goes to show you, do not listen to a word these bosses say. Their actions are so contradictory to their words that even wearing boots around them does not protect you from their crap.
Fix the problem, you morons at 35/Mich! You do not help yourself, departmental security or officer morale with your goofy-ass decisions and playing the blame-game.
I know- lets hire expensive civilian district managers and put them in charge of the facilities and the non-existsent civilian personnel.....each district should have two---think of all the sisters,cousins,girlfriend, wives that will be hired!
Im new to a district so therefore, I dont know any faces... should I be requesting star and ID cards from every person I see wondering about the halls??? With no regard for rank or time on the job? Perhaps if I want to sit quietly on midnights or shit rapids and bouncing around the rest of my career! Why should this security issue of a station fall on the laps of blue shirts? Fuck that
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014 has a p.o. on guard duty. nice way to spend 80 grand a year watching a door when a few hundred dollars would secure a door.
You forgot to mention that they are mostly PPO's on the side door guard duty. Yeah, I feel safer now!
How they rushed to put GPS in mostly all the vehicle's for Officer safety.
Let's see how fast they handle this one.
all i know is i observe subjects wearing police clothing all the time while at work and they pretend to be the police every 1st & 16th. oh by the way.... 20 months without a contract!
And when the youth gets taken down to the pavement and cuffed for being an active resister, whose name goes on the defendant line of the lawsuit?
If you are in such a situation, and the "mark" gives it up, contact your immediate supervisor and give them the facts of what has happened. After they interview the juvenile that has agreed to help (many laws that prohibit this) IAD, then ask for the parents/guardian of the "mark". When momma shows up have her talk to the supervisor to initiate a number on the IAD members who should have known about our policies in regards to the use of force model....
2/02/2009 12:19:00 AM
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YOUNG-LOOKING IAD PERSONNEL, goofus. NOT civilian juveniles.
014 has a p.o. on guard duty. nice way to spend 80 grand a year watching a door when a few hundred dollars would secure a door.
oh yeah this is chicago it makes perfect sense.
2/02/2009 01:31:00 AM
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So does Area Three. But it has TWO. Nearly two hundred thousand a year wasted. During a shortage of detectives, no less.
lets see what happens when a regular p.o. questions a white shirt that he may not recognize and asks for ID. taht white shirt will make that p.o.'s life miserable. therein lies the problem with this department. ARROGANT bosses
Anonymous said...
yeah yeah... it'll be the same dumb shit as last year when j-fart rode into town. the exempts will fall all over each other trying to justify their existence by making their latest brain fart the order of the day. of course not being smart enough/not giving a fuck that said brain fart is illegal/a contractual violation/grounds for legal action/making affected p.o.'s "whole" i.e, causing shortshanks to spend some of his whore money... will soon result in said brain fart being rescended posthaste.
they will also run into each other trying to prove how they can beat the shit out of no clout coppers in patrol... (shout out to charlie williams, ya little dried up graham cracker) jackpot supervision, gotcha discipline, peck-sniff enforcement of the most arcane, obtuse,easily forgetable shit and obnoxiously unnecessary displays of rank & authority (simmer down commander borat).
actually the way i hear some of these bosses talk to p.o.'s this job is over-ripe for an extreme violence in the work place incident. all it will take is one idiot boss to tell a copper having a bad day/week/month/year with a sick spouse or child, fuck your wife and kids, no time due for you.
give these gold star idiots a little more time... they're starting to crack and turn on each other and shit is getting so bad that hopefully, their political sponsors are reluctant to give them cover for their dumb shit anymore and shortshanks will soon be rotting in a cell or standing on a stool with stout manila hemp knotted behind his left ear as charges of high treason & gross incompetence are being read... pray he does not escape the peoples justice...
2/02/2009 01:10:00 AM
Read this again a copper will get violent one day! The bosses try to talk down to us,many of them are punks with no skills just clout! Lets say one day the wife/husband tells the copper she/he wants a divorce, the kids are against him/her, the car does not start,you find out you are sick. Next you get the punk boss who starts bullshit and do something you will regret! The bosses need to learn how to lead the shirt white shirt you put on gives you nothing but more pay. You want respect EARN IT! Many coppers I interact with are on edge anyway,no contract,kids school,mortgages etc.. advice:bosses lead you get more bees with honey than you do with spit!
can anybody confirm or deny this?
Let me get this straight! A guy with no police experience, no training in the academy, no state certification, shows up in uniform one day and becomes the police? OK, now that we've cleared up the Jody Weis situation, what about that 14 year old in the 003rd District?
You're fucing kidding me! Bethany hospital in 011 has better security. They have a key pad to be able to access the ER door for police/fire. In 011 the back door near the dumpster is always open and leads you to the stairs that take upstairs to the detectives or downstairs to the locker rooms, roll call room and radio room. The dumpster in the back, the're is always some bum back there digging through the trash and nobody says anything. The gararge is unsecured, anyone can just go back there and break in a car or hide back there waiting to ambush a P.O. The parking garage looks like it was hit by motar rounds, it's an accident waiting to happen. That entire building needs to be demolished.
are we suppose to be held accountable for not foiling these decoys? thats bologne. i tell you what, im gonna bloody the mouth of any suspicious lurking people snooping around the district in hopes that its an iad plant.
This doesn’t surprise me at all.
Speaking of concrete, has anyone seen the sidewalk that leads out from the west side of the HQ building? A portion of the sidewalk has sunk and instead of fixing it (because someone can and already has tripped on it) they paint it yellow to warn you that it is f*cked up. Fix the f*cking thing, WTF?!
Area 1 has TWO POs watching the doors. Went by the other day and one of the gate keepers was dead asleep!
lOVE IT! Now we want ID Card Readers and finger print identifiers at the entrances so we can enter the buildings. Is that any different than the swiping in idea. I this is all a Federal Government Conspiracy to get us to swipe in and think its for our own good! If they agree to the 55 Health Insurance Plan, it will be a plan to get rid of the real police and replace us with liberal social workers. You are all nutz.
A little off topic --but--
From the sun times
Hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of controlled substances, vaccines and birth control pills have either expired or may have been “stolen or misplaced” because of lax security and record-keeping at a city Health Department warehouse, an internal audit disclosed today.
The Central Pharmacy warehouse, 1820 N. Besley Court, was created to save the city money through bulk purchases and time by maintaining a $3 million cache of drugs and medical supplies that could be quickly delivered to city health clinics.
But, the 2007 audit conducted by Inspector General David Hoffman concluded that neither goal has been accomplished. In fact, taxpayer-funded pharmaceuticals may be walking out the warehouse door.
Among the findings:
• $529,000 worth of drugs purchased by the city expired before they could ever be dispensed to patients. The loss to taxpayers was $365,000 even after the city got credits for expired medications returned to manufacturers.
• At least $639,000 worth of vaccines purchased with federal grants were “not tracked in any meaningful way” and “could have been stolen or misplaced” without anyone knowing about it, creating “substantial health and liability risks.”
• 438 packages of birth control pills at a cost of $19,000 were unaccounted for and “may have been stolen, lost or improperly distributed.” Each package contains a one-month supply.
• The warehouse had “little-to-no security,” in spite of the valuable and potentially dangerous inventory. Unescorted guests were granted access. Storage cages and refrigerators were left unlocked. Surveillance cameras were installed, “But, no one monitored them, either in real time or after the fact.”
--At least the city is consistent--
BigBird tried to breach our high tech security in 007. He was dressed as a thug with braids, a sideways hat and scarface shirt. He was taken into the roll call room where he received a sound thrashing on his pale bottom and was sent on his way.
Lack of leadership to enforce existing rules at distircts. IAD has nothing better to do than trip up more blue shirts? maybe we will need another building for call back to house pow's.
First off the 2 1/2 yr desk sgt in 014 who claims to know more about this job than the 30yr plus Sgt is the problem. The only thing she knows how to do is wear her pants all the way up to her armpits. Triathlete your NOT! wearing them that high up still makes your kangaroo pouch stick out.
Your right about anyone walking in and out of the side door. Why can't they use the W/Sec for that I forgot they're to busy kissing the W/C ass. Just so they can sit in the office and do homework, run there business from work and leave early.
Keep promoting based on who you know or who blow and the problems will only get bigger.
I guess the USSS couldn't find the stations?
Or, the Supt finally realized how bad it looks to go running to "Uncle" for every solution? I wonder who told him?
2/02/2009 06:50:00 AM
The USSS is afraid to visit a station 'cause they might get approached by a BIG real police who might throw them to the ground as a result of a security breach.
I hope I catch one of these IAD rats in A/4, I will take them in the elevator up to the 2nd floor. But, before we get thereI am going to press the stop button and let a loud and proud one rip. I want the IAD rat to smell my thoughts on the whole station security issue loud and clear. Signed.
I love to share my gas with others.
P.S.. I would like noting more than to get into the elevator with j-fed and share my gift with him.
No decoy, I call BS, IAD is backlogged with old stuff. They have no time for capture the flag games.
If we catch a decoy in the building can we beat the hell out of him (or her) and them lock them up?
the should pay a visit to the doosh, oops i mean the duce. a damn shame what goes on there. finding an officer for each door wasn't hard. they just had to pick from the large crowd of dog poleeze hangn and chilln at the desk for their entire tour.
Bring in Carlton the doorman to fix the security breach.
If you find them in your district, put hand cuffs on them, take the battery out of their cell phone/radio. If they look like police and have a CPD id walk them up to your desk sgt/watch commander. If no id, lock em up. They can call their supervisor from lock up.
Check out what happened in Afghanistan this morning.
A suicide bomber wearing a police uniform entered a police station.
Twenty-one police officers KILLED, twenty wounded.
elephantitis said...
A little off topic --but--
From the sun times
• The warehouse had “little-to-no security,” in spite of the valuable and potentially dangerous inventory. Unescorted guests were granted access. Storage cages and refrigerators were left unlocked. Surveillance cameras were installed, “But, no one monitored them, either in real time or after the fact.”
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Shameful!!
Now perhaps others can understand why I refuse a flu vaccine every year. I have no proof, whatsoever, where and how these vaccines were prepared, and under what conditions they were "stored". If the hospital follows through with their threat of making it mandatory for all employees, I shall seek an alternate profession.
Paranoid?? Perhaps. I remain a firm believer that I should have control over what is introduced into MY body. This is proof that we have absolutely no idea where these medications spend a crucial part of their time! With everything that is going on in the world today, incidences such as these are not only a disgrace, but extremely dangerous. This is the kind of stuff we are allowing to be injected not only into our bodies, but into our children's little bodies, as well! Unacceptable!!
I must say that the 005 District day desk crew is on the ball with keeping an eye on the building, as every day I come in to work, at least one of them looks, pays attention to who's walkin in and out, and they know who the real police who work there every day are, and who don't belong. Hopefully it will be easier for them now that all the piss-bums living in the courtyard of the 005 District -Br. 35-38 Court have been sent on their way finally. Not everyone on this job has 5 minutes on it, and we should not be treated like assholes, and should get the utmost respect from Supervisors, especially those empty-holstered wanna-bees at 35th St. Maybe if you'd listen to us more, the workin street police, instead of the pencil-pushin whizz - Kids, you might not have the constant problems you are saddled with now. And then, of course, there's Daley, who has to meddle with EVERYTHING, and put his hex upon it. The man who never was a cop, and never could be one. But then again, I couldn't be Mayor either, too honest.
Fact is, there is no answer to this proplem. The whole mind set has to be changed and this is impossible with the current command. The department has always reacted to criticism with stupid "knee Jerk" reacations. This is just one of them. They can't change the command people and nobody has the balls in IAD to say anything so they do these stupid things. If you look back in history, evertime the Department was criticized it comes up with nonsensical solutions. "Make sure you blame someone" "do something" "do something" "Chickens without heads" Ya, nothing changes.
Twenty-one police officers KILLED, twenty wounded.
2/02/2009 07:43:00 PM
they will NEVER forget!!!!
If there ever was an integrity check using police officers, the answer is easy.
IAD: Why didn't you stop this person?
OFFICER: He's a police officer.
IAD: But you didn't know that he is the police.
OFFICER: Yes I did.
IAD: What's his name?
OFFICER: Don't know his name but know he is the police.
Etc...
Etc...
Etc...
You will win this argument...
If they look like police and have a CPD id walk them up to your desk sgt/watch commander. If no id, lock em up. They can call their supervisor from lock up.
2/02/2009 07:26:00 PM
Lock them up for what??
11th district failed their IAD security test....now they will be forced to put someone on the doors, like 11 can affored the manpower....
another "thinking outside the box" idea from aunt bea
Let's order up some new stars - preferably ones where the paint isn't falling off the letters
We have hall monitor in 014 and hall passes. No joke.
I use nail polish to replace the paint that fell off my star.
I have so many colors and tints, it was easy to find a match.
Now, kees me you fool!!!!
We keep forgetting that this kid didn't walk in and sneak through a back door, he approached an om duty P.O. at the desk. Lets put the blame where it belongs on the Desk person and Desk Sgt. and the Watch Comm. for not knowing what the fuck is going on.
And shame on the dumb broad that drove around with him for 5 hours on calls and traffic stops when he wasn't even carrying a gun. Just show shows the I don't care attitude of a dog ass. Any person who was half a police officer would have spotted and figured out this kid wasn't the police.
in 021 garbage cans secure the front door except when the wind blows then the doors open wide up!
I walked into 35th/Michigan yesterday in civilian clothes ... coat zipped up to my neck ... walked right past "Desk Security" (hahaha) and the "elevator cop" (another hahaha) and made it to the 5th floor! Never asked for I.D. I feel safe now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If they look like police and have a CPD id walk them up to your desk sgt/watch commander. If no id, lock em up. They can call their supervisor from lock up.
2/02/2009 07:26:00 PM
Lock them up for what??
Criminal Trespass for one!!
Hey, did anyone notice the new high-tech security system in 011. By the front desk-its a telephone cord with a paper clip...you have to see this..hahahahaha pure genius....
Rumor has it that J-Fed and Aunt Bea were trying backdoors at several southside districts..
You wanna secure the side door? That's easy. All you need is a few yards of thin gauge wire, one empty C-Rat can (Fruit Cocktail or Peaches) and a frag. First shithead to trip the wire will be going home in separate bags. It worked across the pond in 67, it'll work here.
Get Some!
The a-holes from iad are out of control, and they really think they are important. One of them strolled in to the station, walked through the gate and go pissed when she was called out. Then she runs to her lt. and says yea, the officer got me, but was extremely rude. Guess what bitch, officers are supposed to be rude to some one attempting to breach station security.
IAD had one of their suckholes that never worked in my district try to sneak in. Don't they realize that some of us have worked in plenty of places, and may not remember a name, but recognize their sneak from elsewhere? And I blame caps for alot of this, they made civilians feel at home in the police stations, some of them caps volunteers think they are the police and walk around the stations like it is theirs.
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