IPRA Oversteps Bounds - Again
The Lodge has been made aware that, in certain investigations that are being done by IPRA, members are being asked to sign medical release forms. Members who sign these forms allow Department medical records to be release to IPRA. Although these records are Department records, most will contain records from your personal physician.
The Lodge is recommending that members refuse to sign this medical release. The IPRA investigator will likely have a supervisor order you to sign the form. Members should include the following statement "R/O is signing this medical release under duress after being order by xxxxxxxx to sign the release."
The second item on the FOP site is that contract negotiations continue. That is all.
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posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
66 Comments:
Its called HIPPA, IPRA !
Its just like gravity... its the law !
OBEY IT ! ! !
It is time to take the gloves off an file a lawsuit to stop these abuses on privacy and double standards on discipline, like the Duggan/Jackson Rule 14 Violations that are ignored while PO's take heavy time and are made 30 pending.
Fuck the BS, they take one inch and then it is ten miles. I am sick of it, they are lucky that I even go to work. All the stress has made me feeling like I need to take a year psych leave.
FOP, your demise is soon, and, yes that includes everybody that can't take the time to give us the 'fair representation' THAT WE PAY F-IN DUES FOR. FU,AND YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE QUEEN GINGER, YOU ARE IN BED WITH THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WE NEED TO UNSEAT, KEEP SHOWING UP ON THE GOLF COURSE AND AT BOURBON STREET FOR THE SELF-GRATIFYING THINGS YOU SO YEARN FOR, Otherwise, leave us alone if you can't produce, because you really are worthless, SHOW US SOMETHING!!!!!!!!
OT - Speaking of overstepping bounds what are the rules regarding the 'newly leased parking meters'? Meter Maids were going around the police station issuing tickets. Now, if this is leased to a private company why are we [city of chicago personnel] enforcing violations?????
If this is to obtain information regarding injury to the officer in the incident being investigated, why don't they just get it from the IOD information on file at the medical section which would then limit the information to only that which is relevant to that specific incident?
Probable use: To target non-clout officers with pre-existing medical conditions and find a way to get rid of them via disciplinary action.Think about it..Does this Dept ever do anything on the legit?Never has and never will.
How the fuck can a supervisor order me to sign a form which would allow the Department access to my personal medical records outside of any Department records? Sounds like we should tell them to get a court order. Go ahead and pull the CR number for insubordination. I'll win it in grievance.
If IPRA and the Sgt order me to sign such a form under duress I may just start having shortness or breath and chest pains that will require me to go to an ER. Of course on the way to the ER I will contact my Lawyer and have him meet me at the ER. Can you say Lawsuit against IPRA and the Dept!
Screw the both of them.
dosent seem like they can order you to sign a form like that ... someone is just stirring the pot again.
They can ask you to sign anything, i doubt anyone has been ordered to sign the form
SCC STOP ALREADY WITH THE RUMORS YOUR HURTING THE IMAGE OF THE DEPARTMENT AND THE WORKING POLICE
If IPRA wants my medical information they can get it the same way I would have to go about getting medical information on an offender: File a lawsuit or get a Judge's order to force it's disclosure.
FOP disclaimer my fucking ass! FOP should get their fucking godamn lawyer to draft the wording that should go into any to-from we sign answering a demand for medical records from IPRA.
It should go something like this: "Upon advice of Counsel for the Fraternal Order of Police I am respectfully refusing to provide my medical records for any Department Investigation not directly related to Injury On Duty until I am lawfully required to do so under court subpoena or otherwise by an order of a court."
I am not a lawyer but you get the drift, I wouldn't provide this permission unless a judge says I have to.
Anonymous said...
FOP, your demise is soon, and, yes that includes everybody that can't take the time to give us the 'fair representation' THAT WE PAY F-IN DUES FOR. FU,AND YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE QUEEN GINGER, YOU ARE IN BED WITH THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WE NEED TO UNSEAT, KEEP SHOWING UP ON THE GOLF COURSE AND AT BOURBON STREET FOR THE SELF-GRATIFYING THINGS YOU SO YEARN FOR, Otherwise, leave us alone if you can't produce, because you really are worthless, SHOW US SOMETHING!!!!!!!!
2/04/2009 01:40:00 AM
I agree I will be at least 1 vote to dump them all,they have no thought process must be beacuse they are to drunk or stupid!
Anonymous said...
If IPRA and the Sgt order me to sign such a form under duress I may just start having shortness or breath and chest pains that will require me to go to an ER. Of course on the way to the ER I will contact my Lawyer and have him meet me at the ER. Can you say Lawsuit against IPRA and the Dept!
Screw the both of them.
2/04/2009 04:52:00 AM
I like the way you think!
I'm confused. Why would ipra want our medical records. Who the fuck are they?
All tough talkers on this topic but you all will sign it and apologize to your sgt for causing him a problem! I have said it before, anything that the FOP or city likes is bad for you! These new schedules that you all "love" were not given to you because the city and FOP "love" you! Less manpower needed, almost entirely eliminates the midnight watch! Be careful what you wish for! Yeah, strength and honor! Blow me!!!
YEAH BUT JUST LIKETHE OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS YOU WILL HAVE SOME DUMB ASS COPPER SIGNING THE FORM GIVING UP THEIR RIGHTS..... HOW MANY COPPERS ARE WIPING THEIR DNA OFF THEIR WEAPONS AFTER THEY ARE INVOVLED IN A SHOOTING THUS ELIMINATING THE CPD'S ABILITY TO SWAB YOUR WEAPON FOR DNA????
Screw the phony heart attacks and contacting your blood-sucking lawyer.
Just say no and fight it.
Can you say Lawsuit against IPRA and the Dept! Screw the both of them.
Cool! A threesome!!! Can I watch?
People sure like to throw that phrase "order you" around a lot. This is a job, not a communist state. Ordering me to do anything past the performance of my duties is not a lawful order. There is a line between our professional responsibilities and our private lives, and this is crossing it.
Just because a boss orders you to do something it doesn’t mean you have to do it. Forcing me to provide private medical records that has nothing to do with my job does not seem like an order I have to follow.
Of course they like to bully everyone into complying but we still have rights. This sounds like they are creating quite the hostile work environment. If they want the records they can ask for them, and when they are told no then they can try to get a court order for them. That is the process, plain and simple. If they are trying to get your records, its not to give you a raise or a promotion, they are trying to screw you.
Its called HIPPA
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no, it's actually HIPAA
I need some clarification on this.
What exactly are they trying to do and do we have any recourse?
Instead of opining about it, wouldn't it make sense to get some kind of legal opinion on just what the real deal is?
I am not real sure that such an order would be a lawful order. OTOH, I am not sure you are not required to obey an unlawful order.
..... ahhh (as homer simpson would say) the reason why i go to work and do nothing.....
why would IPRA need your medical records.
let them get a subpeona
ALOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT AN ORDER GIVING BY A WHITE SHIRT IS THE END ALL AND BE ALL.
LETS SAY THE WATCH COMMANDER WANTS YOUR CELL PHONE GUESS WHAT HE NEEDS A WARRANT.
BUT IF YOU R 1 OF THOSE LUCKY TYPES THAT USE A POLICE DEPT PHONE ITS THIER PROPERTY NO WARRANT.
MEDICAL RECORDS HAVE SO MANY LAWS TIED TO THEM THAT EVEN A WARRANT IS HARD TO RETRIEVE THEM.
DO NOT SIGN MEDICAL RELEASES. THAT IS WHAT THE MEDICAL SECTION IS FOR.
DOCUMENT THE REQUEST AND THE WORDING UR UNTRAINED SUPERVISOR USES.
YOU WILL NEED A WITNESS TO THE FACT I SUGGEST YOUR FOP UNIT REP MAKE SURE HE IS ACTUALLY WRITING DOWN NOTES JUST LIKE IPRA DOES. RETRIEVE THE THE FULL NAME RANK OF THE PERSON MAKING THE REQUEST AND ALL OTHER PERSON INVOLVED.
IF IPRA BACKS DOWN IMMEADIATELY GENERATE A TO FROM REPORT TO THE HEAD OF THE MEDICAL SECTION RELATING THAT YOU HAVE NOT GIVEN ANY MEMBER OF THE DEPARTMENT THE RIGHTS TO VIEW UR MEDICAL RECORDS.
ONCE AGAIN DO THIS IN PERSON WITH A WITNESS AND DOCUMENT THE MEETING.
LAWSUITS R MUCH EASIER IF THE ABOVE IS HANDLED CORRECTLY HELL U CAN EVEN TELL THE CITY U WILL DROP THE SUIT IF UR PROMOTED!
ITS BEEN DONE!
I HAVE EVEN HEARD WHEN OFFICERS R ON FORCED MEDICAL THE DEPARTMENT HAS A FORM ASKING FOR YOUR FAMILIES MEDICAL HISTORY. JUST TELL THEM NO!!!!
THEY WILL MAKE A FACE AND STAND UP AND STINK EYE U AND YELL R U REFUSING TO FILL OUT THIS DOCUMENT!
ALL U HAVE TO SAY IS NOPE! THE WHITE SHIRT LEARNS THAT TECHNIQUE AT THE ACADEMY TO TRICK U INTO THINKING ITS A LEGIT ORDER. THEY WILL NEVER SAY I AM ORDERING TO FILL OUT THE PAPER WORK.
THEY WILL THEN CALL UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND TO TRICK U INTO GIVING UP INFO.
MY FAVORITE SCHEME IS WHEN IAD CALLS U IN AND THE LAZY INVESTIGATOR HAS THEIR QUESTIONS TYPED OUT. U WILL NOTICE ANOTHER IAD REJECT WILL BE IN THE OFFICE BUSILY TYPING AND NOT AWARE OF U. THAT PERSON IS INVESTIGATING U ALSO.
DONT 4 GET IAD HAS HAD LAWSUIT STATING THEY HAVE LOST EVIDENCE AND MIS TYPED STATEMENTS.
B AWARE
Total Hippa violation it includes the work place!!! The police dept. it not exempt to this rule!
Illegal order,do not obey.
Since we are paying our dues why can't FOP get their lawyers to take this bullshit to court. If they won't why not vote it to happen.
How can you be forced to sign over your medical history? What if you say "No"
Let the sergeant order you to sign a paper divulging your medical information, then politely refuse and get his name and star number and the name of whoever directed him to give that order, then name the sgt, the IPRA fuckheads, the Mayor and the City of Chicago in a federal civil rights lawsuit.
The federal law (HIPPA) preempts Daley's rinky-dinky MCC and department directives. You can bargain away certain constitutional protections but in this case releasing medical records has never been agreed to by our contract. Do things the right way and you could even make some $$$ off the city's ignorant knee jerk responses to a few bad coppers actions.
WHO THE FUCK IS PUSHING THIS BULLSHIT?
typical cpd nonsense...
what policeman in his right mind is going to sign that release? THEY KNOW PEOPLE WON'T SIGN THAT SHIT! i've never worked for an outfit that is so quick to violate the rights of an employee... their attitude is they can fire you for insubordination & refusal to obey a direct order. then if you get a lawyer and sue they can fight you for 5 or 10 years while you sell everything to pay your lawyer's fee. Then in the end there will be a settlement, the city admits no wrongdoing, you get a pittance after paying the lawyer, the taxes and taking care of your financial obligations to have enough left over to put yourself in a studio apartment overlooking columbus pk... your wife left you, took the kids and now you're 5 to 10 years older, paying alimony & child support with ruined health & finances and taking a side gig for a few bucks so you can have beans in the can twice a week... oh yeah, the ultimate indignity... you took the reinstatement on the job cuz nobody wants to hire your old, broken down stroke/grabber candidate ass.
Sorry for ranting but these fuckers (corp counsel, city & cpd) have elevated destroying peoples lives to an art. they'll subrogate your rights then like a kid stick out their tongues and say "sue us then, if you don't like it."
I say again, the way these fuckers are pushing to subvert our contractual, legal and constitutional rights is beyond criminal... THERE WILL BE AN EXTREME VIOLENCE IN THE WORKPLACE INCIDENT! Not maybe, not probably; there WILL be. Some poor copper will spontaneously go to bits because some ass-funnel at ipra, iad, corp counsel, 35th or city hall is getting their rocks off picking a copper to pieces... I hope someone somewhere will throw a flag and say "whoa, enough," but it won't happen, they have no interest in the human side of this thing... I'm certain that in this poisonous, hate the police atmosphere that there will be blood and it will be on the hands of shortshanks, j-fed, the exempts, burst, masters, the other daley, rosenwieg, (sp?) george et al.
...and it is my hope that they all will be held culpable.
Hey everyone just a word about who is looking thru our personal medical files...word has it a civilian clerk/supervisor/whatever is taking random officers files,going thru them,and questioning the notes,why they are not back working etc. This person is NOT sworn! NOT a nurse by any stretch of the imagination! NOT supposed to be looking thru ANY sworns personal medical file...correct me if I am wrong please. FOP needs to step in here ASAP
We have been taken over by Non-Sworn people?!?!?!? WTF???
why worry about nothing? you CANNOT be ordered to sign anything!!!
Anonymous said...
How the fuck can a supervisor order me to sign a form which would allow the Department access to my personal medical records outside of any Department records? Sounds like we should tell them to get a court order. Go ahead and pull the CR number for insubordination. I'll win it in grievance.
2/04/2009 03:42:00 AM
Grievance hell, lawsuit. HIPPA, remember.
IPRA has no right to that info without a court order.
Since when does IPRA have more power than the courts. Since when can they demand medical records on the order of a supervisor. I would not sign that thing until I consult with my attorney.
FOP should be screaming bloody fucking murder on this.
Fuck IPRA, fuck the CPD, by law I am required to provide medical records to the qualified representative of my department, that is the medical section. A fucking watch commander is not supposed to know what is in my medical jacket, only an exempt.
And a fucking sergeant is going to ORDER me to abrogate my rights under Federal Law and give my entire medical file to fucking IPRA???
To investigate ME???
NO FUCKING WAY!!!!!
Anonymous said...
It is time to take the gloves off an file a lawsuit to stop these abuses on privacy and double standards on discipline, like the Duggan/Jackson Rule 14 Violations that are ignored while PO's take heavy time and are made 30 pending.
Fuck the BS, they take one inch and then it is ten miles. I am sick of it, they are lucky that I even go to work. All the stress has made me feeling like I need to take a year psych leave.
2/04/2009 01:01:00 AM
Hey smartguy;
You might want to read Rule 14.
"..filing a false report, written or oral..."
A news report isn't an official report, dummy. But, let me guess you also want to jam up the coppers who are deceptive toward offenders during an investigation. Or maybe get a number on detectives for being nice to offenders in order to get their cooperation.
I sincerely hope you are not the police. If you are I pray you are NEVER promoted, because you are utterly clueless.
If IPRA and the Sgt order me to sign such a form under duress I may just start having shortness or breath and chest pains that will require me to go to an ER. Of course on the way to the ER I will contact my Lawyer and have him meet me at the ER. Can you say Lawsuit against IPRA and the Dept!
Screw the both of them.
Just don't give it to them, but more than likely, if IAD is looking at your medical file, there is a reason, more than likely you it is because the officer in question is probably a dog-ass abuser who needs to be caught, but they should be able to get what they need without having us sign anything, does HIPPA apply here?
My understanding is that our privacy, especially medical records is protected under the HIPA (sp?) Act as enforced by the Federal Government. this is why you have all of these privacy letters mailed to you. I certainly think that this would be a direct violation of the rights afforded me under that Act, and would hope that our do-nothing attorneys down at the FOP would research this matter a bit further.
HIPPAA is there to PROTECT you.
DO NOT SIGN!
Operation of meters has been privatized. What difference does it make who maintains them. Not feeding the meter is still a violation of the law. (No different than a private company maintaining stop lights). Revenue from fines still goes to the City.
Would this be a violation of the HIPA act? Could we then file a complaint with the Feds?
If ordered to sign this form write in there you are signing the form under duress and as ordered to by whatever supervisor who gave the order also write that you do not release your medical records and wish to prosecute anyone who violates the HIPPA laws then make a copy of the form and give it to the IPRA investigator.
THEY BETTER LOOK AT THE HIPPA LAWS THAT GOVERN MEDICAL RECORDS IF ONE LAW IS VIOLATED THERE IS MAJOR FINANCIAL REPURCUSSIONS, PUNITIVE AND COMPENSATORY AGAINST NOT ONLY THE CITY BUT THE ACTUAL EMPLOYEE WHO VIOLATED THE LAW. WHY HASNT THE FOP CONTACTED A LAWYER IN REGARDS TO THIS ALREADY> THEIR ADVICE IS TO SIGN THE FORM WITH A DISCLAIMER BS
SCC STOP ALREADY WITH THE RUMORS YOUR HURTING THE IMAGE OF THE DEPARTMENT AND THE WORKING POLICE
Um, Dumbshit? Did you even look at the post? It's on the FOP Website. That's not a rumor.
Honest to god, how the hell do you get to work every day?
Asshat
Well if any supervisor is ordering an officer to sign this, then the supv is an idiot. As a supervisor, I don't take orders from IPRA, and if they tell me to order an officr to sign anything, I will tell IPRA to kiss my ass.
Big Deal, we'll put in the Disclaimer and sign after being ordered to do so by a Supervisor, and FLOP won't do a F'n thing about it. How come they aren't writing up paper right now with a civil rights attorney that bars CPD from violating our Constitutional Rights, like everyone else has when it comes to their Medical Records. How about just "NO', can't be done to them, it's a Federal Privacy Law, and anyone who forces them[the Police] to do it is subject to Federal Criminal Prosecution..
ATTN: FLOP,
You will Now be Video Taped while conducting your FOP "business" so the Membership will be able to see what you really do with our Dues, and with the Time you have for Representing Us and looking out for the best interests of the Rank and File.
ENJOY YOUR SUMMER.
I smell federal lawsuit!!! Privileged information between a doctor and patient breached by a order from a superior???
Wouldn't want to be that boss!!!
Violation if Federal ADA guiidelines and HIPPA!!!
You can't have my Medical Records anyway, I have a list on file of people [family members who can get them, other than myself, and NOBODY else can get them, without ME giving them to them . So stick that in your Fucking Pipe and Smoke it IPRA. Go ahead and try to force me, and my Attorney and I will be glad to see you in Federal Court.
Who is going to sign this Form? Hey DOPE, you know some scared new recruit or other newbie will sign it out of intimidation. So don't think it can't happen. FOP, where are you on this ? Oh yeah, I forgot, still wandering around with your Heads Up You Asses, as usual.
I believe "Murphy's Law" is correct.You cannot be ordered to sign your name to anything.Politely say no.
HIPAA does protect your right to have your medical records keep private. But you have to remember that the department has all the rights to review your medical section file. So whatever is in there, you have given it to them from any which doctor you have seen. Without a cause the department cant acess anyones personally files without your knowledge.... To make sure you have yourself protected write a letter to any and all of your doctors telling them not to release any of your medical records without your approval. With that in your file your doctor will not release anything, unless he has a court order.
Here is a link to the privacy officer(they are up to date with HIPAA laws also) with the City of Chicago that you can ask any of your questions.
http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/webportal/portalContentItemAction.do?contentOID=536889429&contenTypeName=COC_EDITORIAL&topChannelName=Dept&blockName=Health%2FChicago+Clean+Indoor+Air+Ordinance%2FI+Want+To&context=dept&channelId=0&programId=0&entityName=Health&deptMainCategoryOID=-536891845#privacy_complaints
Just be smart sign nothing and question everything. Once you sign something , there is no going back.
Just a guess, I would say they are looking at the cronic medical abusers, and a few others.
Remember you always have the right to review your medical and personal file at HQ.
Its called HIPPA, IPRA !
Its just like gravity... its the law !
OBEY IT ! ! !
2/04/2009 12:44:00 AM
Its Called HIPAA= Health Insurance Portabilty and Accountabilty Act
IPRA is not in my chain of command.
The one direct order you ARE allowed to disobey is an illegal direct order.
Write 'refused' on the dotted line and hand the piece of paper back to whoever proffered it, making a photocopy for yourself, of course.
If anyone tries to hurt you for this, file a Federal lawsuit and soon you will own Weis' and Daley's summer homes, or at least a decent chunk of the 2016 fund.
Speaking of the FOP, where have they been? Has Donahue and his nose been cryo-genically frozen somewhere? It's great we have this so called "Fraternal Order" and yet this man has yet to speak to us or send representatives to speak to us about our lack of a valid contract and what the hell is going on with it.
Sorry to break the bad news but is everyone here to stupid to drunk or both to remember that when you applied you signed an "authorization to release medical records" put the bottles and cans down and think.
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/consumers/index.html Oh and a follow up to my post about drunks link to the above site from the department of health and human services re: HIPAA privacy it plainly states law enforcement agencies are exempt from the law. One more thing, you would be amazed at the many other laws private entities are required by law to follow which governmental entities are exempt from. If you had the knowlege I have it would be enough to make you sick and hit the medical. Signed 10 year Prairie Dog
It is time to take the gloves off an file a lawsuit to stop these abuses on privacy and double standards on discipline,
**When you find a lawyer, let us all know.
IPRA is not in my chain of command.
The one direct order you ARE allowed to disobey is an illegal direct order.
Write 'refused' on the dotted line and hand the piece of paper back to whoever proffered it, making a photocopy for yourself, of course.
If anyone tries to hurt you for this, file a Federal lawsuit and soon you will own Weis' and Daley's summer homes, or at least a decent chunk of the 2016 fund.
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You morons are no different than the local POS on the corner dreaming of the big lawsuit payout.
Grow up.
Permitted Uses and Disclosures. A covered entity is permitted, but not required, to
use and disclose protected health information, without an individual’s authorization,
for the following purposes or situations: (1) To the Individual (unless required for
access or accounting of disclosures); (2) Treatment, Payment, and Health Care
Operations; (3) Opportunity to Agree or Object; (4) Incident to an otherwise
permitted use and disclosure; (5) Public Interest and Benefit Activities;(6) Limited Data Set for the purposes of research, public health or health care
operations.18.....
(4) employers, regarding employees, when requested by employers, for
information concerning a work-related illness or injury or workplace related
medical surveillance, because such information is needed by the employer to
comply with the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OHSA)
ummm why do we need to sign anything? sounds like they can obtain it own their own.
"If anyone tries to hurt you for this, file a Federal lawsuit and soon you will own Weis' and Daley's summer homes, or at least a decent chunk of the 2016 fund.
2/04/2009 11:53:00 PM"
While you're @ it, shit in one hand& wish in the other. The result should equal the amount of your lawsuit settlement w/ the City.Stroke
Anonymous said...
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/consumers/index.html Oh and a follow up to my post about drunks link to the above site from the department of health and human services re: HIPAA privacy it plainly states law enforcement agencies are exempt from the law. One more thing, you would be amazed at the many other laws private entities are required by law to follow which governmental entities are exempt from. If you had the knowlege I have it would be enough to make you sick and hit the medical. Signed 10 year Prairie Dog
2/05/2009 06:12:00 AM
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IPRA is not a law enforcement agency. If they call in a CPD supervisor to order you sign (Which by the way I know of no way you can be compelled to sign your signature, you cannot refuse a lawful order but making you sign something is not lawful.) then it must then be investigated by the law enforcement agency, CPD, not IPRA. When OPS became IPA they split from the Police Department. Even the State cut their access to LEADS because they were not a law enforcement agency and had no link to CPD like OPS did..
THE ONLY REASON WY FOR THE MEDICAL RECORDS IS TO HELP THE OFFICERS. IT IS HELP PROVE WHEN U REPORT THAT U HAVE BEEN HURT BY THE COMPLAINANT. THE ONLY RECORD REQUIRED WOULD THE ONE PERTAINING TO THE INVESTIGATION. JUST WANTED TO LET U KNOW
Anonymous said...
Sorry to break the bad news but is everyone here to stupid to drunk or both to remember that when you applied you signed an "authorization to release medical records" put the bottles and cans down and think.
NO NOT DRUNK OR TOO STUPID in your words.
The Authorization to release medical reords when you applied is only good for your records at the time you were hired. That authorization isnt good for years and years.
Maybe you should put the bottles down and educate yourself yourself on how Hipaa protects peoples medical records.
Anonymous said...
http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/privacy/hipaa/understanding/consumers/index.html Oh and a follow up to my post about drunks link to the above site from the department of health and human services re: HIPAA privacy it plainly states law enforcement agencies are exempt from the law. One more thing, you would be amazed at the many other laws private entities are required by law to follow which governmental entities are exempt from. If you had the knowlege I have it would be enough to make you sick and hit the medical. Signed 10 year Prairie Dog
2/05/2009 06:12:00 AM
You clearly dont have all the knowledge you think you do. Otherwise you would know that
they are only allowed to look at your medical file with the medical section with the police department. They are not allowed to look at your medical records at your own family doctors without you signing a release. Why do you think they are asking people to sign a release now??? becasue they need it to get any records they dont have.
THE ONLY REASON WY FOR THE MEDICAL RECORDS IS TO HELP THE OFFICERS. IT IS HELP PROVE WHEN U REPORT THAT U HAVE BEEN HURT BY THE COMPLAINANT. THE ONLY RECORD REQUIRED WOULD THE ONE PERTAINING TO THE INVESTIGATION. JUST WANTED TO LET U KNOW
2/06/2009 03:56:00 AM
True, but they would already have what they need in your medical file if it was a IOD. Just wanted to let you know.
The only reason they should have access to your medical information is for IOD regarding that individual incident. They should not have access to any other personal medical records.
Contact the DOJ or HIPPA and ask questions.
OK let's carry this IPRA medical thing a bit further. IPRA gets access to your entire medical file, which in my case after 28 years of service and many injuries extends to 4 stuffed file folders.
IPRA gets that file in their investigation of whatever, let's say I was injured in an arrest and I shot the offender, he didn't die but now is suing the department and me.
Asshole's lawyer files for discovery and obtains IPRA's entire file which now included my entire medical file, personal information, my personal doctor's name, my home address, my phone number, SS# etc. and every medical detail every put in there in the last 28 years.
Now the asshole has my entire personal medical file and his lawyer can then subpoena my personal doctor. Think it can't happen? Think again. Something very much like this happened exactly to me.
So I say FUCK NO! to merely writing a disclaimer in the permission form. I would write UPON ADVICE OF MY ATTORNEY I DECLINE TO PROVIDE MY MEDICAL FILE TO ANY INVESTIGATIVE BODY WITHOUT A COURT ORDER.
FOP should be all over this one but isn't. Disclaimer my fucking ass. It will take more than a supervisor's order to get me to voluntarily give all my personal medical files to IPRA.
Remember, all evidence obtained could be used in civil or criminal court AGAINST the officer.
FOP having our backs is sounding like Jody saying he has our back.
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