Sunday, May 24, 2009

The Age-Old Argument

Do fewer cops mean less crime?

The cynical and sarcastic among you will say, "Yeah, less cops stealing." We respond, "Haha, you're an ass."

But if there are fewer officers on the street making fewer arrests and generating less paper, then what?

A lot of police work is perception. If you see more police, you might think, "Hey, this place is pretty well protected" or you may think, "This place is out of control." If you see the beat car once every other week or so, are you actually less secure? What if the beat car is in on a burglary every day? They are fighting actual crime, but the high number of arrests would lead one to believe the neighborhood is actually less safe. And while they are processing, do other criminal have free rein?

Now look at backlogs. If it takes the police 3 and 4 hours to show up at a disturbance call or a damage to property call or a dope job, does the citizen who called actually wait around for the whole 4 hours to make a report that isn't going anywhere but the "suspended" file? No. But does that mean the crime didn't occur? Not at all - it just means it wasn't reported. And from there, does the perception of neighborhood crime take a hit? Neighbors talk, they'll let each other know about something that happened, but it never made the statistics. Every one of us has a story about showing up at a job and filling out a report after the fact and then the victim relates that their buddy up the street had the same thing happen three days ago, but they never made a report.

So are backlogs (or Radio Assignments Pending - RAPs) actually a good thing for crime reporting? A frustrated citizen not reporting crime might be a better thing for Shortshanks and his statisticians. It almost means the only true measure of crime is the number of bodies showing up at hospitals with holes in them.

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72 Comments:

Anonymous HATER said...

I WOULDNT WORRY TO MUCH SEE WHAT ARE INJURED AND SOON TO BE INDICTED BROTHERS AT 311 R DOING.

20 REPORT A DAY IS NOT UNHEARD OF.

YEA THOSE GARAGE BURGALARYS ARE DONE

THEFT FROM AUTO DONE

THEFT FROM BUILDING ( SUM CALL THEM BURGLARY DONE)

AUTO THEFT ,DONE

PHONE THREAT, AGG BATS, PICKPOCKET, PURSE THEFTS, ID THEFT, FORGERIES DONE.

U MAY BE SLOWING DOWN BUT 311'S NUMEBR COMPENSATE.

5/24/2009 12:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT but; one last word on exempt pay. They "COULD" be made to work for their career service salary (Capt, Lt, Sgt).

Their perk would be the shiny gold star and take home "marked car"!

Hey Shanks and Fed-man, think about it, those suckups would do anything for a gold star and a ride. You could save a "TON OF DOUGH".

It's a win win for you mayor!

Save dough, & tell the brass to blow!

5/24/2009 12:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I really believe that pretty soon the ppl will take matters into their own hands. They will get sick of waiting for the police to come by and do nothing and take care odf their own shit. F it

5/24/2009 12:46:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Excellent points, SCC. I remember in the early '90s the dept. came out with an official report about the success of the new community policing program- I think it was something like "CAPS - The first 10 years" or some such BS.
Anyway, the report consisted of responses - with graphs and charts- from citizens who were polled and asked if they "thought" crime was down, if they "thought" their neighborhood was safer, and if they "perceived" CAPS to be working.
Smoke and mirrors. Nothing more, nothing less. Just convince the voters somehow that the police are handling things and that crime is down. Then shortshanks can get his ass patted and giggle and mumble his way through another term.

5/24/2009 01:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We were told in roll call today by the W/C that there is a new order out that states that the desk crew will be cut down to 2 officers and a desk sergeant. In addition, the W/C will take over the duties of the W/S therefore eliminating that position. Anyone else been told this? What about station security? If we have 13,000 officers then why all of the sudden is the role of W/S being eliminated? Why is CAPS still fully/overly manned? Why am I 99 all the time? How long before the entire department is done away with?

5/24/2009 02:39:00 AM  
Blogger Phil Schitz here said...

SCC: Your post spells out exactly what's happening to crime in this city. This is one of your best posts. I would of liked to written an article such as yours, but I always ended up with a writers block. You did a good job.

Keep up the great work.

Phil

5/24/2009 02:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is probably the most intelligent argument I have heard in a while that makes complete sense.

Less cops to take reports in a timely manner, thus frustrated citizens sick of waiting four hours and failing to report crimes. Thus the crime index goes down.

5/24/2009 02:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, are you saying something is rotten in the state of Denmark ?

5/24/2009 03:10:00 AM  
Anonymous tjmttugrn@hotmail.com said...

I beleive that people will help each other...not...i see people try to steal everday from my employer, using the bait of a child is certainly nothing new...i remember calling the district w/c (captain 9/13 E) and asking for assistance...good luck...sorry, this might offend some, the people who pay no taxes, who are not law abiding, are the people that get the greatest response, requested or not...how is this right? love how my money is spent...

do not get me wrong, i am a fair person. besides getting rid of j=fed (have no control over) and daley (control over) how can i get a fair shake as a taxpayer?

5/24/2009 03:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic: People on a previous post were slamming John Curry for making merit sgt. I have recently spent alot of time with John and I must say he's very smart and works his ass off.John goes out of his way for almost everyone. The only negative is his taste in music (commie jam).

5/24/2009 05:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great analysis.

5/24/2009 07:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The city lies through its statistics. Smoke and Mirrors for the public. The number of arrests only reflects a portion of the actual criminal activity. There are so many more crimes that go unreported.
For example, how much gang activity and graffiti goes unreported? How many assaults go unreported? How many prostitutes and johns go about their business without being arrested? How many robberies and thefts go unreported? Illegal immigrants are more incline to not report crime because they fear deportation. Many immigrants fear law enforcement because the law enforcement from their native country is often times brutal and corrupt. The language barrier is another reason they don't call or report. Some people are just too damn lazy to call it in. Some people are just too annoyed by the 911 call takers or lack of police response(caused by the large volume of stacked calls)to make the effort to call in criminal activity.
When the jobs are stacked and the citizen doesn't wait for the police, then there is nothing to report. No statistic is created other than the phone call made to report the criminal activity. If you could extract nonsense calls from 911 call volume, how would the calls compare to the arrests?
So....less police officers to make arrests looks like less criminal activity. If there is less crime, according to the statistics, then the city is safer, according to statistics. Daley is trying to fool the citizens and others(insert choice) as to the safety of this city. When you live here, work here and deal with the criminal aspect daily, you have a better sense of what this city is really like.

5/24/2009 07:44:00 AM  
Anonymous 016 District Worker said...

You my friend are a genius.....

5/24/2009 09:03:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Concealed Carry

5/24/2009 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic was the Sgts.list post shut down because of to many anti-Konet comments?

5/24/2009 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"So, are you saying something is rotten in the state of Denmark ?

5/24/2009 03:10:00 AM"


Not Denmark.

5/24/2009 09:23:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"do not get me wrong, i am a fair person. besides getting rid of j=fed (have no control over) and daley (control over) how can i get a fair shake as a taxpayer?

5/24/2009 03:55:00 AM"


Get rid of your incumbent aldershit, your incumbent State Senators and Congressfucks, your incumbent County Commissioners, your incumbent Governor and every incumbent office holder that you're not absolutely sure is worthy of remaining an incumbent.

And I mean absolutely sure is worthy.

In doing this, no matter who you elect, it won't be the shitheads that have brought this city, county and state to the brink.

5/24/2009 09:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We were told in roll call today by the W/C that there is a new order out that states that the desk crew will be cut down to 2 officers and a desk sergeant. In addition, the W/C will take over the duties of the W/S therefore eliminating that position. Anyone else been told this? What about station security? If we have 13,000 officers then why all of the sudden is the role of W/S being eliminated? Why is CAPS still fully/overly manned? Why am I 99 all the time? How long before the entire department is done away with?

5/24/2009 02:39:00 AM
I've been off the last few. Is this true? When does it go in effect? If so, the desk in 011 is going to get hammered

5/24/2009 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Hot Pursuit said...

Nice spotlight SCC

Where are all these "Investigative Reporters" at, out to lunch?
It would crack the ivory tower in half if the true facts out...

It's just math, and when all is done the final answer is the folks have been shorted for some time, even when those keep telling them everything is just great, crime is going down, the bottom line is the math doesn't lie...

Getting it on the chalk board might be a bit hard though.

5/24/2009 09:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Homicide that occurred at 5921 S. Racine, appears as of this report to be an setup, robbery or possible carjacking. Victim was in the his old neighborhood visiting friends when one of these so called friends suggest they go over to 60th and Carpenter to visit other friends. While enroute two subjects wearing black hoodies, and scarves over their faces, intercept the victim, shoot him numerous times and make good their escape. Area One Det Div believes this is solvable in that their are witnesses, just have to get someone to give up the details. Occurrence is not in the level 2 DOC, but is on the border of the Violence Zone #2.

Commander Keith Calloway
007th District - Englewood
Chicago Police Department
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It is not possible that a District Commander can be this stupid.

Or is it?

5/24/2009 09:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

New order issued yesterday, No more watch secretary, 2 desk officers and 1 sgt per district and if its an area you get to put 3 at the desk. Duties of Watch Secretary are absorbed by desk officer and WC. This is to put officers on the street and fill the voids left by the start of Strike Force unit. Everyone is up in arms at the desk from Desk sargeant to Captain doing extra work. They're calling for Crossing guard supervisors to enter data of citations into the computer when not "supervising." Whole order negates our contract and has grievance stamped all over it. Removing biddable positions?? Not a good idea.

5/24/2009 09:58:00 AM  
Anonymous westside, inside do-nothing said...

Even in my youth I remember my coach telling me to "Rise to the Occasion". I am not much of an athlete now (come to think of it I never was then) but if we are are short manpower then we ALL have to Rise to the Occasion instead of bitching and crying.

You officer's working the streets have to pick up the slack and "hustle" if we are short. I know I have been doing extra reports at the desk and we have all felt the results of this manpower shortage.

So to all my fellow brotherin, I ask you to "Rise to the Occasion" and before we know it we will get past this speed bump. Stay safe. God Bless.

5/24/2009 10:06:00 AM  
Blogger Vermin said...

Less cops to take reports in a timely manner, thus frustrated citizens sick of waiting four hours and failing to report crimes. Thus the crime index goes down.And if they happen to staff less people at the desk will people, seeing several people waiting for a report, just turn around & go home?

5/24/2009 10:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would bet more visibility, especially the lights and siren kind of thing, leads to most people assuming crime is up.

The reality is probably that the prosecution and jailing side is the only practical solution to crime. Its not popular with the party in power, at least partly because criminals and their supporters are one of their power bases. Its also horrendously expensive.

5/24/2009 10:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, Watch Secretary is not a bid position. Read the contract. It is a position allowed by management. That means that management can take it away. Sorry desk crew, sorry W/C. You now all have more work. But let's watch the crybabies who haven't worked the street in years, or ever. Gonna be fun.

5/24/2009 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Nietzsche said...

SCC, I enjoy the philosophical questions.
This is the old question of, If dude caps Boo Boo in the woods and nobody reports it is Boo Boo really dead?

5/24/2009 10:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Removing biddable positions?? Not a good idea.

5/24/2009 09:58:00 AM

Watch Secretary is not a bidable position.

5/24/2009 10:45:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

do not get me wrong, i am a fair person. besides getting rid of j=fed (have no control over) and daley (control over) how can i get a fair shake as a taxpayer?

5/24/2009 03:55:00 AM

how did you get home last night??? My god... drunk blogging has reached a new low with this moron!!!

5/24/2009 10:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So to all my fellow brotherin, I ask you to "Rise to the Occasion" and before we know it we will get past this speed bump. Stay safe. God Bless.

5/24/2009 10:06:00 AM

fuck you! Go back inside and coach the shit bags how to get numbers on coppers you waste of space!

5/24/2009 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They ought to get rid of the fire and police academies, especially the police academy.
The academy was needed at one time because of the large volumes of police recruits that were hired and processed.
The city will never hire police officers to the extent it previously did ever again, unless we get the Olympics and they want to push a large class through for show.
You either raze the academy and send most of the staff especially the do nothing 19th ward hack commander back to the streets, and sell the land and buildings to the hungry developers , or you centralize all public safety and municipal training to the academy.
Or you close the academy and let the state, Uof I, or the county run it, with a handful of CPD reps.
Most of the training nowadays is done via 35 Michigan, the internet, or the area ranges anyway, so who would miss it.
And why does the admin staff of the academy need take home cars anyway?

5/24/2009 10:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Crime is Armed Robbery-Handgun.

That is the one crime the good citizen fears. And for that very reason it is the one crime stat the department rarely announces publicly.

Most rapes are BS, most homicide victims are criminals, most agg batts happen to uncooperative ghetto rats. This shit makes the news but it doesn't drive change.

Armed Robbery-HANDGUN is the transportation of ghetto crime to the law abiding citizen. When that number gets high enough, all politicians, up to and including the President of the United States, are voted out.

Remember, it wasn't the murders in the early 90's drug wars that put crime on the map, it was the robberies in the West Loop and Wrigleyville that put heat on the politicians. Low and behold, look at those two neighborhoods today.

But now they're comming back.

5/24/2009 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As long as da money is transfered twice a month I could care less!

5/24/2009 11:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My guess is you will see neighborhoods hiring or the city hiring more private companies (alderconnected of course) being hired to handle nuisance calls and street parking enforcemnt and officers being more tactically trained. The end result still being less hired officers.

5/24/2009 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

O.T. 2 Desk Officers and a Desk Sgt and the W/C will take over the W/S Duties.These District Desk Officers and W/C's are goining to get Hammered.What are they Thinking.Inventory turn overs,Bonding Out Offenders,Walk In Victims,Answering Phone Call Complaints,Assigning Officers for Summer Details ,Work Sheets, A&A's Etc Etc.Not a Bright Idea

5/24/2009 11:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We were told in roll call today by the W/C that there is a new order out that states that the desk crew will be cut down to 2 officers and a desk sergeant. In addition, the W/C will take over the duties of the W/S therefore eliminating that position. Anyone else been told this? What about station security? If we have 13,000 officers then why all of the sudden is the role of W/S being eliminated? Why is CAPS still fully/overly manned? Why am I 99 all the time? How long before the entire department is done away with?

--I heard it. I'd be more than happy to replace our watch secretary. She's clueless. Besides the 2 PO's and 1 Sgt. there are two light duty PO's at the desk as well. Will they be sending them to call back? CAPS office and DC's office are the next places to be trimmed.

5/24/2009 12:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't forget the aspect of the rude call takers at the OEMC, too. There is an intimidation factor for civilians calling 911...and being spoken to in a rude and abusive manner by the jagoff civilians working the phones. I've heard plenty of taxpayers complain about this. They don't know enough to ask to speak to a "supervisor" and report the call taker.

5/24/2009 12:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Someone enlighten me please. How many desk spots are biddable/management?

I'll be glad to see the 2 year wonders working the desk get their asses back on the street where they should be.

I will also be glad to see that when a desk is on overload that the "acting Desk Sgt" might have to pick up the phone or take a report rather then sit there and get paid to be acting desk sgt and then refuse to do the duties of the desk sgt.

I'll also be glad to see the Watch Secretary have to work the desk.

This will be interesting. I don't feel bad for any of them.

5/24/2009 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
We were told in roll call today by the W/C that there is a new order out that states that the desk crew will be cut down to 2 officers and a desk sergeant. In addition, the W/C will take over the duties of the W/S therefore eliminating that position. Anyone else been told this? What about station security? If we have 13,000 officers then why all of the sudden is the role of W/S being eliminated? Why is CAPS still fully/overly manned? Why am I 99 all the time? How long before the entire department is done away with?

5/24/2009 02:39:00 AM

We were told the same thing at
025. civilians who don't know what goes on in a district trying to manage the department. what's wrong with Dugan that he's on board with this?

5/24/2009 12:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is not possible that a District Commander can be this stupid.

Or is it?

5/24/2009 09:45:00 AM

But partner, he is a hell of a nice guy. And he likes the police. He does not hate us just because he is an exempt member and they are "required" to dislike us in order to stay an exempt. I've dealt with him many times over the last 15 years, and he does not have a mean bone in his body. True, he is not a rocket scientist, but then, which of us is?

Now, if YOU are truly a rocket scientist, and you remain on CPD, then you have no common sense. Actually, you have no common sense for jumping on the U.S.S. CPD "Titanic", in the first place, if you are a rocket scientist, because this ship is going down faster than greased lightning!

However, either way, you do display a lack of common sense when you bad mouth the one "nice guy" exempt on the job, which is the only one around while we are awash and amidst a sea of incompetence, indifference, and inherent corruption in promotions and day-to-day business practices.

I have seen a load of these exempts come and go, and most of them were not worth a shit. They were just heavy, connected or fit the need of the moment, but most lacked competence, brains, class and true leadership abilities.

Now, for all you goofs thinking Dugan would be a good boss after the idiot FED leaves town. I pray your wish is not granted, but if it is granted, you'll find out what Dugan is all about, but in reality, Calloway would be better for the rank and file. Much, much better. No bullshit. True dat.

White Guy With 29+1 & Leaving Out Soon.

5/24/2009 12:27:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i don't understand eliminating the watch secretaries. of all the watches i've been on in different districts the only person i usually like who works the desk is the w/s. making extra work is just going to piss off the captains. make it 2 people on the desk. some districts have 5 people on the desk.

5/24/2009 01:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

westside, inside do-nothing said...

Even in my youth I remember my coach telling me to "Rise to the Occasion". I am not much of an athlete now (come to think of it I never was then) but if we are are short manpower then we ALL have to Rise to the Occasion instead of bitching and crying.

You officer's working the streets have to pick up the slack and "hustle" if we are short. I know I have been doing extra reports at the desk and we have all felt the results of this manpower shortage.

So to all my fellow brotherin, I ask you to "Rise to the Occasion" and before we know it we will get past this speed bump. Stay safe. God Bless.

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OMG yeah whatever, I'm sure you "Rise to the Occasion" working behind the desk. I will be sure I "Hustle" when im working the streets 99 in the ghetto you ASSHAT...Nice try with the pep speech, I didn't think the 011 District was infiltrated with one of J-Fed's little bitches, until now.

5/24/2009 01:21:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also heard rumor that Commander's office is being cut to one secretary and one assistant. 2nd Watch Caps to a maximum of 5 po's, 2 po's on third watch. This includes, building, dare, and great. Time to pass the kleenex.

5/24/2009 01:30:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!

"We were told in roll call today by the W/C that there is a new order out that states that the desk crew will be cut down to 2 officers and a desk sergeant. In addition, the W/C will take over the duties of the W/S therefore eliminating that position. Anyone else been told this? What about station security? If we have 13,000 officers then why all of the sudden is the role of W/S being eliminated? Why is CAPS still fully/overly manned? Why am I 99 all the time? How long before the entire department is done away with?

5/24/2009 02:39:00 AM"

This is the latest insanity from our former friend Danny Dugan. I tried to get a copy or BOP 09-0177 and send it to SCC.

This is going to mean chaos at a busy district any night when the crew is trying to do their jobs. Taking reports, making bonds, answering phones, answering stupid questions, answering intelligent questions, entering contact cards, people are just going to have to wait. Want to drop off a newborn for Safe Haven, take a number. Want to report a stolen car, a lost kid, a battered wife, take a number, just don't bleed on the floor. Sir, ma'am, why don't you watch your neighbors on this Big Brother POD for us while you wait.

There is going to be a lot of cars called into the stations for reports and GO HOME AND CALL 9-1-1.

Did anyone ever get the true number of sworn officers presently on the job?

Goudie, Zekman, hey you goofs, this would be interesting and explain a lot.

5/24/2009 03:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Dugan says the areas get an extra desk officer. I presume because of the extra prisoners. Fine, makes sense. What about those districts without a lock-up, shouldn't they then have one less desk officer? Or did Dugan forget that some lock-ups are closed?

And wait until you try to slide in a slip for time off. The Capt will actually have to approve it personally. Oh boy. And are we still putting POs guarding the back doors to stations? What a fu*king waste of manpower that is. And a sole civilian tinmekeeper for the entire district? Good luck in 14.

And where's FOP on this? It's not just young binmbos who are watch secretaries, there are plenty of older guys who took that spot instead of being a desk officer. And now the WC will do the work? I don't think so, one of the desk people will. Forget about getting prisoners ready for court, or getting timely court notifications. And what about radios? The WC supposed to do that too? The watch secretary did.

I gotta hand it to Dugan, at least nobody had high expectations for Charles Williams, so we weren't disappointed when he turned out to be a moron.

"The end is near"

5/24/2009 04:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

westside, inside do-nothing said...
Even in my youth I remember my coach telling me to "Rise to the Occasion". I am not much of an athlete now (come to think of it I never was then) but if we are are short manpower then we ALL have to Rise to the Occasion instead of bitching and crying.

YOU ARE A TROLL. THIS ISN'T A 8th GRADE BASKETBALL GAME ASSHAT THIS IS REAL LIFE WITH REAL CRIMINALS AND REAL WEAPONS. STAY BEHIND THAT "SAFE" DESK AND BY ALL MEANS DON"T "RISE TO THE OCCASION" BUT RATHER GET ON YOUR KNEES AND DO WHAT YOU DO BEST!!!

5/24/2009 05:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regardng the new order about desk assignments...will somebody please take up a collection to get this loser Dugan laid. This moron is running the department, and has no clue what it is like to be a human being who has a family, a life. This is the most dangerous man on the department right now. He is setting all the policy, and he bleeds, breathes, and shits cpd. He is Daley's wet dream!!!!

5/24/2009 06:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

hey westside inside do nothing... why dont you go get a number on a copper you fucking waste of space do nothing loser! No one wants to hear your drunken rambling!!!

5/24/2009 06:25:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

HEY NOW GOOD FOR THE CURRY FAMILY HE WAS RAISED THE RIGHT WAY GOOD LUCK TO HIM BELMONT POLICE.

5/24/2009 06:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Off topic: People on a previous post were slamming John Curry for making merit sgt. I have recently spent alot of time with John and I must say he's very smart and works his ass off.John goes out of his way for almost everyone. The only negative is his taste in music (commie jam).

5/24/2009 05:57:00 AM"

SIGNED, DICK CURRY JOHN'S DAD 019 HOUSE MOUSE INSTIGATOR

5/24/2009 06:38:00 PM  
Blogger sharky said...

Anonymous said...
New order issued yesterday, No more watch secretary, 2 desk officers and 1 sgt per district and if its an area you get to put 3 at the desk. Duties of Watch Secretary are absorbed by desk officer and WC. This is to put officers on the street and fill the voids left by the start of Strike Force unit. Everyone is up in arms at the desk from Desk sargeant to Captain doing extra work. They're calling for Crossing guard supervisors to enter data of citations into the computer when not "supervising." Whole order negates our contract and has grievance stamped all over it. Removing biddable positions?? Not a good idea.

5/24/2009 09:58:00 AM

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Commanders are also being told that the Abandoned Buildings Officer in each district is no longer an authorized psoition. Gee, that's really smart. He is the only person in the Commander's office who writes tickets (at $500 each, i might add, per day, per house, to the bank of record).
Get rid of a high revenue producer. Smart. (The city colects on about 75% of those tickets at $500 each. thats much better than traffic court, and about equal to parking tickets, but much higher fine per ticket.
Assistant timekeepers also eliminated. Only one timekeeper per district. Some districts have 3, I even know one with four timekeepers

5/24/2009 07:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We were told in roll call today by the W/C that there is a new order out that states that the desk crew will be cut down to 2 officers and a desk sergeant. In addition, the W/C will take over the duties of the W/S therefore eliminating that position. Anyone else been told this? What about station security? If we have 13,000 officers then why all of the sudden is the role of W/S being eliminated? Why is CAPS still fully/overly manned?

GO IN ANY DISTRICT AND LOOK AT THE DESK PEOPLE READING MAG. AND BOOKS, ESPECIALLY SLOWER DISTRICTS NO NEED TO HAVE ALL THAT PERSONNEL. THE WATCH SEC. JOB IS DONE IN 1 HR. AND HOW MANY REPORTS ARE GENERATED AT THE DESK. CAPS IS A JOKE. 1 SGT. AND 5-6 PO'S. THEY DO NOTHING!!!!! PUT THESE OVER PRICED SECRETARIES BACK ON THE STREET, OR PAY THE BID PEOPLE THAT WANT TO WORK INSIDE 10K LESS.

5/24/2009 09:33:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if its an area you get to put 3 at the desk
Area 3 doesnt need an extra person. What about 023,they need only 1 desk person

5/24/2009 09:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Whole order negates our contract and has grievance stamped all over it. Removing biddable positions?? Not a good idea.
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As I recall, the only "bid" position affected is for the desk. W/S is not a bid position.

I don't know what everyone is crying over. This has happened before and after a while it was business as usual.

Remember, they only have to reflect that these positions have been eliminated via the A&A's. How many times have I heard " squad, hold me down assisting the desk."

5/24/2009 09:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"...I didn't think the 011 District was infiltrated with one of J-Fed's little bitches, until now.

5/24/2009 01:21:00 PM"


That would be one of daley's little bitches.

You give the weasel too much credit.

5/24/2009 09:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Even in my youth I remember my coach telling me to "Rise to the Occasion". I am not much of an athlete now (come to think of it I never was then) but if we are are short manpower then we ALL have to Rise to the Occasion instead of bitching and crying.
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Right. Almost as emotional as Bluto's speech about when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

I'll rise to the occasion on the day when they do away with Merit Promotions; when I stop hearing certain female officers saying "but I can't work that detail on Saturday because I HAVE FAMILY OBLIGATIONS"; when clout has no effect on anything on this job.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! OK. Just kidding. This will never happen. I'll just ignore the man behind the curtain and concentrate on just being a good, little drone.

5/24/2009 10:01:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"SCC, I enjoy the philosophical questions.
This is the old question of, If dude caps Boo Boo in the woods and nobody reports it is Boo Boo really dead?

5/24/2009 10:44:00 AM"


Ask Boo Boo and see what he says.

5/24/2009 10:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also heard rumor that Commander's office is being cut to one secretary and one assistant. 2nd Watch Caps to a maximum of 5 po's, 2 po's on third watch. This includes, building, dare, and great. Time to pass the kleenex.

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Make sure it's the Kleenex with lanolin so their noses don't chaff.

5/24/2009 10:12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic: People on a previous post were slamming John Curry for making merit sgt.
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I know John. He is a decent person. He will do well as a supervisor. I believe he will be fair. Judge him on his actions, not some perception or jealousy. We need decent bosses, give him a chance.

5/24/2009 10:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We were told in roll call today by the W/C that there is a new order out that states that the desk crew will be cut down to 2 officers and a desk sergeant. In addition, the W/C will take over the duties of the W/S therefore eliminating that position. Anyone else been told this? What about station security? If we have 13,000 officers then why all of the sudden is the role of W/S being eliminated? Why is CAPS still fully/overly manned? Why am I 99 all the time? How long before the entire department is done away with?
5/24/2009 02:39:00 AM

The watch secretary is out and they in charge of the entire watch- fulro’s, time due, baby furl’s, court, the AA sheets and the Work sheets for the next day, so why is there a tactical secretary? Who are they in charge of 30 or so people. Ya, that’s not a political spot. YA RIGHT…

5/24/2009 10:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
if its an area you get to put 3 at the desk
Area 3 doesnt need an extra person. What about 023,they need only 1 desk person

5/24/2009 09:40:00 PM

You obviously know nothing of the responsibilities of a District or Area desk.

I got stuck there on convalescent duty and couldn't wait to get back on the street where I could actually eat lunch without being interrupted or take a little break between jobs knowing that I didn't have a Sgt, Lt, Capt, Insp, or Deputy watching me every second!

5/24/2009 10:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I gotta hand it to Dugan, at least nobody had high expectations for Charles Williams, so we weren't disappointed when he turned out to be a moron
Dugan is a huge moron and a two face backstabbing incompetent snake. He is way worse than Charles Williams. And he screwed up the Taste and other venues and shoved the blame on Jackson and Cuello.
And Cuello and him are dumb enough to bond together to oust Jackson.
Dugan you are a twisted sickening little family hating man.

5/24/2009 11:15:00 PM  
Blogger The Keesing Bandit said...

"....I ask you to rise to the occasion...."

Stop by the bathhouse and see how much I can rise.

Now, kees me you fool!!!!

5/24/2009 11:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My 35th street source said a sergeant and 6 officers were slid into news affairs. Manpower is needed in patrol and he keeps taking from us and giving to himself. Check it out boys. It was brought up at exempt meeting.

5/24/2009 11:24:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

W/S is not a bid position -- True. I looked it up in the contract. It says the W/S position MAY be filled. The W/S cannot bump a bid spot from the desk. If that happens, that is a violation of contract. All desk, lockup & review positions must be filled prior to selecting a W/S. So if you W/S "thinks" they have a desk bid spot and tries to bump someone from the desk from a bid spot, then you can file a grievance.

Some districts are already trying to work around the new order to hide the W/S by assigning a person as radio person. If it happens in our district, shit's gonna fly because everyone hates our W/S.

5/24/2009 11:54:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And where's FOP on this? It's not just young binmbos who are watch secretaries, there are plenty of older guys who took that spot instead of being a desk officer. And now the WC will do the work? I don't think so, one of the desk people will. Forget about getting prisoners ready for court, or getting timely court notifications. And what about radios? The WC supposed to do that too? The watch secretary did.

The Desk Sgt. used to manage the time off and the books. You get prisoners ready for court at the end of the tour for the next watch. Why can't a desk officer pull court notifications and do radios? What's so difficult?

Our W/S doesn't do radios. The W/S won't even let you look at the book for time off. It's locked away in a cabinet. You don't know until the day before whether you got the day or not. She bounces people with a different person every day, pulls people off of their cars. Now it's her turn! I can't wait to see her in a beat car!

5/25/2009 12:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

it is almost 1am I work a late 3rd watch car... in 011... in about an hour, westside, inside do nothing should be nice and looped up as usual and be responding... So in preparation for that nonsensical reply, I say F YOU GP... I mean westside inside do nothing! GO HOME FOR ONCE!!! My god, this guy really thinks he has all the answers! What a fucking douche bag!

5/25/2009 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

White Guy With 29+1 & Leaving Out Soon.

5/24/2009 12:27:00 PM

Amen, old timer, amen!

5/25/2009 01:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

White Guy With 29+1 & Leaving Out Soon.

5/24/2009 12:27:00 PM

Amen, old timer, amen!

5/25/2009 01:49:00 AM

God bless the KMA club.

5/25/2009 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 7th district desk will never make it with 2 p.o.'s and a desk sgt, i can't wait to see how this works out.

5/25/2009 07:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Off topic: People on a previous post were slamming John Curry for making merit sgt.
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I know John. He is a decent person. He will do well as a supervisor. I believe he will be fair. Judge him on his actions, not some perception or jealousy. We need decent bosses, give him a chance.

5/24/2009 10:15:00 PM
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Regarding the slamming of this person....

It seems to be the TREND on slamming the northsiders that worked in northside districts and went to 153 or 189 or wherever...

Funny it would seem to me that some JEALOUS never been anywhere but the northside districts, think they are the DESERVED police always bitch and moan and are bitter!

Keep sitting in your underwear and evaluating everyone else but YOURSELF jagbag! Keep drinking and thinking your perfect and a great BEAT car pushing or tact guy that did a couple of search warrants or went to court a bit and deserved something that YOU DID NOT ATTAIN!

Put in an application and GO to MSF or TRU or Narcotics or wherever ....maybe you can't because they will actually look at your stats that are negative because you are on a slowdown right?

So shut the fuck up and keep bitching anonymously on here because YOU are soft and need to stir the NORTHSIDE pot....WANNA BE!

Congrats to Curry and anyone else!

Put a resume in everyone when they annoujnce it...if you want to be acknowledged because THEY ARE NOT GOING TO COME AND ASK ....YOU!

Merit or by test scores your success hinges on YOURSELF!!

Get a CLUE!

Signed
Just another Know it All like you!!!!

5/25/2009 07:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Very interesting argument. I agree in the end with you SCC.

God bless the CPD and nobody else.

5/25/2009 09:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What do you mean "sit in your underwear"? How gross. Please identify yourself if you're "underwear blogging" because then I just will be too grossed out to read your shit.

5/26/2009 02:03:00 AM  

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