4 and 2 Signed
NOTE: Post originally published 10:15 pm on 16 November - we moved it up near the top since it's very fresh and affects 80% or more of the Department.
Taking effect on 10 January. Here's how it affects everyone immediately:
Taking effect on 10 January. Here's how it affects everyone immediately:
- · 17 November: publish notice
· 17 - 24 November: submit watch selections
· 25 November - 02 December: process watches and make new day off group assignments
· 02 December: post watch selections
· 03 - 17 December: select furloughs
· 17 - 22 December: process furloughs
· 23 December: post furlough selections
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:04 AM
152 Comments:
THANKS DONOHUE AFTER PROMISING 701 WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH AIRPORTS YOU FUCKED ALL OF US HERE! MARK GTFU WITH THE OTHERS,MIKE SHIELDS STEP UP IT IS ALL YOURS ALL OF IT,JUST PLEASE BRING IN ALL NEW BLOOD THANKS MIKE IN ADVANCE!
HEY flop you put us into investigative services,now all d-units get the 4 and 2 we are still in 6 and 2 you guys are a bunch of liars all of you including you greg bella! 701 member!!
Was this the result of the meeting held today at Headquarters where Jody met with P.O. reps and asked what the ten biggest obstacles facing the department were and they replied with 1 thru 5: Jody and 6 thru 10: Shortshanks.
Sad, isn't it, that as we read this we will all wonder what 'the catch' is.
Ok two things. Why is only one start time listed per watch in the memo? And it says its dependent on if the Sgts agree. Is that a done deal?
PAX message announcing this posted on Department intranet and sent to all department emails.
Insane.....some of the younger coppers will be going on furlough two weeks after picks. Just because they are new on the job doesn't mean they should be jacked around. I know someone will post talking about how they walked to furlough, both ways, with no shoes in snow when the were new; but that's the same logic all these asshole bosses use. Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
Ty. And merry Xmas to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only one start time is listed because the dept can adjust you two hours either way, just like they can now. The sgts have already agreed.
Insane.....some of the younger coppers will be going on furlough two weeks after picks. Just because they are new on the job doesn't mean they should be jacked around. I know someone will post talking about how they walked to furlough, both ways, with no shoes in snow when the were new; but that's the same logic all these asshole bosses use. Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
11/16/2009 10:52:00 PM
Tell them to get sometime oN the job just like everyone before them that had 1a and 1b furlough. Take a nice trip to Mexico and drink it up while it's winter here. Make the best of a shit furlough.
Anonymous said...
THANKS DONOHUE AFTER PROMISING 701 WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH AIRPORTS YOU FUCKED ALL OF US HERE! MARK GTFU WITH THE OTHERS,MIKE SHIELDS STEP UP IT IS ALL YOURS ALL OF IT,JUST PLEASE BRING IN ALL NEW BLOOD THANKS MIKE IN ADVANCE!
11/16/2009 10:22:00 PM
Hey, f*ck you! If you are unhappy at "the airports" then bid the f*ck out. I'll take your spot in a heart beat AND i'll even work the old 6-2. That's how good your spot is.
A sincere thank you to the FOP for getting this done. I can't imagine all the hard work and obstacles that you had to overcome along the way (probablly mostly stupid po's). Thank you from the bottom of my heart. This will make this job at least somewhat bearable.
Anonymous said...
Insane.....some of the younger coppers will be going on furlough two weeks after picks. Just because they are new on the job doesn't mean they should be jacked around. I know someone will post talking about how they walked to furlough, both ways, with no shoes in snow when the were new; but that's the same logic all these asshole bosses use. Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
11/16/2009 10:52:00 PM
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So someone with 20 years on the job should give up his/her 7A furlo for a two year wonder? Until you enough time on the job to at least get a working day furlo shut up.
F.O.P. Rocks!!! If you don't love this new schedule you're an idiot.
For the first time in decades i'm actually excited for the start of work next year. Looking forward to going to work knowing that after that day i only have 3 more to go. How can you beat that?!!
If you don't like the schedule in 701, I have a chinaman who can get you back to a district.
I get so pissed off and fed up by my 5th day of work and by the 6th, forget about it. I can't believe i'm saying this, but i actually think that the citizens are going to get much better police service out of us now with the new schedule.
This is great news!! With all the rumors going around and then J-pud saying it's not a done deal i was really figuring that it all collapsed at the last minute. But now, what a nice surprise.
This new schedule brings up so many different possiblities for me now. I'm actually thinking about bidding to midnights. I can do 4 straight on mids no problem. Then actually be home to spend time with the family during the day.
Gotta give credit to the FOP for this. Thank you guys.
We will be off one true weekend out of every six. We will all be crying and screaming before the end of the year. Oh, and how much will we enjoy going backwards with our days off? Backwards is where FOP had taken us!
Bitch Bitch Bitch!
Now get to work!
This is a big mistake! No more 3 day weekends!
Page 5 #4 states that :
'This work schedule will remain in effect through the thirthteenth police period of the calendar year in which the parties' successor labor agreement to the 2003-2007 current labor agreement expires [e.g., if the successor labor agreement expires June 30,2012, then the work schedule will remain in effect through the 2012 thirthteenth police period]
WTF !!! Are we looking at a 5 year contract???? or am I misreading this. Please , someone tell me I am interpreting this wrong. If its a 5 year contract that we're looking at, then where the fuck have I been. I thought we were barganing for a 4 year as always not a 5 year!
And what about the line that states thats its dependant on if the Sgts. agree?
And now they want to push the starting times to 0700/1500/2200 . Make up your fucking minds. Oh i'm sorry Donahue sold us out again!!!! Hey FLOP get the Fuck outta here.!!!
MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK INTO A REAL UNION...... LIKE THE TEAMSTERS!!! AT LEAST THEY HAVE BALLS!!!!!
Anonymous said...
Ok two things. Why is only one start time listed per watch in the memo? And it says its dependent on if the Sgts agree. Is that a done deal?
11/16/2009 10:37:00 PM
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They can move people two hours either way from that time...desk to rapids
For those bitching and moaning about being in 701 THERE ARE PLENTY OF OPENINGS IN 003!
Insane.....some of the younger coppers will be going on furlough two weeks after picks. Just because they are new on the job doesn't mean they should be jacked around. I know someone will post talking about how they walked to furlough, both ways, with no shoes in snow when the were new; but that's the same logic all these asshole bosses use. Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
11/16/2009 10:52:00 PM
Tell them to get sometime oN the job just like everyone before them that had 1a and 1b furlough. Take a nice trip to Mexico and drink it up while it's winter here. Make the best of a shit furlough.
11/16/2009 11:06:00 PM
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So someone with 20 years on the job should give up his/her 7A furlo for a two year wonder? Until you enough time on the job to at least get a working day furlo shut up.
11/16/2009 11:19:00 PM
I've got 20 years on the job genius. Go back and read the original post. Seniority has nothing to do with giving employees (yes, that's what we are) adequate notice before their vacation starts. The city should have decided what they wanted to do weeks ago. The city fucks up and the typical CPD meathead starts ripping the kids just off probation. Not too many of us get fired every year. Find something to hang your hat on besides lack of adverse job action by your employer.
Anonymous said...
We will be off one true weekend out of every six. We will all be crying and screaming before the end of the year. Oh, and how much will we enjoy going backwards with our days off? Backwards is where FOP had taken us!
11/16/2009 11:32:00 PM
Dude, are you serious? You have nothing else to complain about so you're going to complain about our days off going backwards!!?? Really?? you've lost it. Check your miserable ass into some psych ward.
I'm baffled that the issue would even enter into someone's brain. Maybe it's me, but does anyone give two shits if we're rotating backwards? So if i'm off thurs fri this week, i'll be off wed thurs next week. How could you find something to bitch about with that? Gosh, i just can't even believe how miserable some of you people are. I feel bad for your partners.
This is a big mistake! No more 3 day weekends!
11/16/2009 11:40:00 PM
Then you can volunteer to work that extra month that the rest of us will now be off you meat-wad. Try burning some time on weekends if you are so afraid of losing a few 3-day weekends under that other suck-hole, ball-sack, shit-bag schedule.
This is a big mistake! No more 3 day weekends!
11/16/2009 11:40:00 PM
douche bag.
i'll take my extra 10+ days off instead.
Oh, and how much will we enjoy going backwards with our days off?
If you don't like it there is something wrong with you. You get more time off. Hell, you even get 0.5 hr extra for personal days. You will work 4 days straight NOT 6 days straight. You still get 2 days off. You only work an extra 0.5 hr.
It just goes to show you, no matter what you do, you cannot make everyone happy, someone is going to complain. The end of the 6 on and 2 off was prayed for by the guys and gals for many years.
Wah, wah, wah cry me river 701. Bid out if you want the schedule, 003 is undermanned.
This is a big mistake! No more 3 day weekends!
11/16/2009 11:40:00 PM
I agree! You would if you were in the 8.5hr day 6-on 3-off.......which is a better choice by far than the 4 & 2. Weekends come at 3 to 4 week mark. People want to argue that if you want a 3 day weekend you should burn a day. I say Bullshit! I shouldnt have to burn any time that we just handed back to the city. The FOP and others who agreed to this just gave the city our 3day weekends back. If you are in a district that denies time then you are screwed. Just another way to whittle away at your comp time, bfds and personal days. Remember.....cant sell any back if you DONT HAVE ANY. And this crap about "ohhh we only have to work 4days in a row" and "by the 5th-6th day im ready to snap" is just unreal! You act as though you are working in a sweatshop for 18hrs for christsake. If you are ready to snap then maybe you should change profession. Any person with half a brain on this job knows the importance of a thur-fri-sat, fri-sat-sun, and a sat-sun-mon. But, this is only my opinion. Sorry if it sounds biased or offends. Im currently working the 6-3 and love it and would not trade it at all. Schedule is great, feel rested like just came back off a mini-vacation everytime and still have time to work sidejobs, go to court and be with the family. Is the 4-2 better than 6-2, YES! is 4-2 better than 6-3, ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Off Topic....
Hey SCC,
Please put this out there to see if there is any truth to this;
On the night of 12-NOV-2009 at Officer Valadez benefit, the SCORE was broadcating live (Bears game) from the Horseshoe Casino in Hammond, Indiana. At the broadcast table was Dan Hampton (former 85' Chicago Bear) along with a SCORE DJ. The braodcast table was approximatley 30-40 feet from the admission table to the Valadez benefit. A member of the CPD (007-Capt.) approached Dan Hampton and spoke with him about Officer Valadez, his legacy and the benefit. The fine Capt. decided to ask Dan Hampton if he could speak to the crowd for a couple minutes during the presentation part of the Valadez benefit. Dan Hampton replied, "Sure I would do it......for $2,500.00." If this is a true account of what had happened.....Let's burry this mother fucker in the media! Everyone NEEDS to know this and I would love to see SCC lead the campaign!
NICE!
I'm looking forward to this schedule. It'll make my last 5 years on this job a little more bearable. Now give me my raise, damnit!
The new guys are still going to get a 10 straight day 1a and 1b. Doesn't matter if we picked January 5th...
Dumbass.
"Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you."
WHEN HAS THE CHICAGO POLICE DEPARTMENT EVER BEEN REMOTELY COMPARED TO A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION??
Did they get rid of the 10 hour prog?? PLEEEEASE!!!!
Hey 701 HAHAHAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHHAAH
typical coppers bitch,bitch,bitch.We get so much more time off who gives a f about 3day weekends when we only work 4 days in a row.To those bitchin about the lose of furlo time and use of baby furlo time.At most your losing 4.5 days all together(25 working days=200 Hours/8.5=23.52days.22 working days=176 hours/8.5=20.70 days) and that's actually if you use you BFD's.Knowing you dinosaurs who sell those days back you won't even use them.We get 16 more days off minus the aforementioned then your looking at a total of 11.5 extra days off.So don't be afraid of change,change is good.All except for Obama and im sure the ultimate tact warrior will be disappointed at the extra time off hindering him from digging around a crackheads ass looking for a rock
There will still be plenty of 3-day weekends for me and my 1,200 hours of comp time. I think I just might work 3-3's! Suck it!
I think the comment about the "newer guys" going on furlo 2 weeks after picks was just a reminder how late this is happening. We used to pick before Thanksgiving so if you were getting a 1A or 1B, you at least new about it to maybe plan something. No new guy expects a summer furlo.
Very interesting. The city agrees to a work schedule that costs more money (more cars are needed for the overlap, more PDTs, more radios) and that puts less police officers on the street. Oh wait...but officers take more time off and burn comp time and BFDs / PDs. Ah-ha! Ask someone in 18 or 14 how much more time they used in 2009 than 2008.
6 and 3 would have been the ideal schedule. And the new work hours stink. Forget about going to school or a reasonable side job. More time off? Yeah, when they want you to take it.
And why not all the districts? Ask someone from 8 or 13, they love the 6 and 3.
And the Lts and Capts? What are they going to get for approving a BS contract? A better schedule probably.
Think about it, something is rotten.
I STILL THINK THE EXTRA HALF HOUR A DAY IS BULLSHIT.THEY DONT DO IT THAT WAY AT THE CCDOC (AND THEY'RE FUCKING JAIL GUARDS). JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW THE FLOP AND DONAHOE IS STILL SUCKING THE MAYORS ASS.
I REALLY HOPE MIKE SHEILDS IS THE ANSWER.
Great news. Thank you.
Anonymous said...
HEY flop you put us into investigative services,now all d-units get the 4 and 2 we are still in 6 and 2 you guys are a bunch of liars all of you including you greg bella! 701 member!!
11/16/2009 10:24:00 PM
True mark,and billy stated "Just get us a petition and you will be included" guess another lie right guys? Another reason to dump them all,we need new blood!
Anonymous said...
HEY flop you put us into investigative services,now all d-units get the 4 and 2 we are still in 6 and 2 you guys are a bunch of liars all of you including you greg bella! 701 member!!
11/16/2009 10:24:00 PM
You can use your clout to get to a district and wait for an open beat car.
Anonymous said...
Insane.....some of the younger coppers will be going on furlough two weeks after picks. Just because they are new on the job doesn't mean they should be jacked around. I know someone will post talking about how they walked to furlough, both ways, with no shoes in snow when the were new; but that's the same logic all these asshole bosses use. Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
11/16/2009 10:52:00 PM
The officers who were going to get 1st Period furlough know who they are and they were going to get that furlough anyway.
I got 1st or 2nd furlough the first 3 years I worked and was told that is how it is. Then I was lucky enough to get part of a 3rd and 4th period.
What would you suggest, that new people suddenly be awarded summer or 13th period furloughs? You can give up yours if you like.
Anonymous said...
Ok two things. Why is only one start time listed per watch in the memo? And it says its dependent on if the Sgts agree. Is that a done deal?
11/16/2009 10:37:00 PM
Probably but it depends on what extra shit they demand of the Sgt.s I expect the Sgt's to quickly initial this.
Anonymous said...
Insane.....some of the younger coppers will be going on furlough two weeks after picks. Just because they are new on the job doesn't mean they should be jacked around. I know someone will post talking about how they walked to furlough, both ways, with no shoes in snow when the were new; but that's the same logic all these asshole bosses use. Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
11/16/2009 10:52:00 PM
What would you propose?
Anonymous said...
This is a big mistake! No more 3 day weekends!
11/16/2009 11:40:00 PM
Moron. 16 extra days off a year but some can only see those two lousy 3 day weekends every 6 weeks. Good riddance 6 and 2. May we never see the likes of that schedule again.
Anonymous said...
We will be off one true weekend out of every six. We will all be crying and screaming before the end of the year. Oh, and how much will we enjoy going backwards with our days off? Backwards is where FOP had taken us!
11/16/2009 11:32:00 PM
Yup, backwards into 16 extra days off a year. I'm glad to go backwards that way.
Anonymous said...
Am I missing something? Didn't the city and fop agree to the pilot programs to see which one the rank and file liked the best and would work out better for the majority? Weren't we supposed to give input on which one we prefer? Would it be put to a vote with our unit reps asking our opinions? Was this a ploy by "management", just to get us to go along with what the little prick wants? Who started the blitz on this blog to get the 4-2? was it the city or some people with side jobs that fit with their schedules? What is wrong with the other work schedules? Did anyone discuss them?
Inquiring minds would like to know...
11/10/2009 06:04:00 PM
Was anyone actually asked about the other schedules? What is the catch? It's not that I don't trust any of the parties involved. I'ts the way it's been done and that I don't trust the parties involved.
We will be off one true weekend out of every six. We will all be crying and screaming before the end of the year. Oh, and how much will we enjoy going backwards with our days off? Backwards is where FOP had taken us!
11/16/2009 11:32:00 PM
Un-fucking believable! You guys are just never satisfied. One TRUE weekend? This new schedule will now allow us to have at least one of the weekend days off: FRI-SAT, SAT-SUN, SUN-MON. Under the current schedule you have to wait, what,5 to six weeks before you get your 3 day weekend?
As for rotating backwards.....so what! The ONLY difference is no ore 3 day weekends (given). You can always put a slip in if you want. Rotating backwards at least makes it feel that the work week is shorter.
This isn't the 50's anymore. It isn't the man of the household that woks 9-5, Mon - Fri with weekends off. Most of us live in a 2 income household so we grab time with the family whenever we can.
You will now be able to spend more time with your families. Like anything in life that's worth having.........MAKE IT WORK FOR YOU.
Anonymous said...
THANKS DONOHUE AFTER PROMISING 701 WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH AIRPORTS YOU FUCKED ALL OF US HERE! MARK GTFU WITH THE OTHERS,MIKE SHIELDS STEP UP IT IS ALL YOURS ALL OF IT,JUST PLEASE BRING IN ALL NEW BLOOD THANKS MIKE IN ADVANCE!
11/16/2009 10:22:00 PM
Anonymous said...
HEY flop you put us into investigative services,now all d-units get the 4 and 2 we are still in 6 and 2 you guys are a bunch of liars all of you including you greg bella! 701 member!!
11/16/2009 10:24:00 PM
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Hey, asswipe! Could you wait more than the two minutes it took you to type your post before rephrasing it with the CAPS key off?
You're not an unruly mob if you're just one guy shouting shit over and over.
Tell them to get sometime oN the job just like everyone before them that had 1a and 1b furlough. Take a nice trip to Mexico and drink it up while it's winter here. Make the best of a shit furlough.
11/16/2009 11:06:00 PM
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Two weeks notice before your furlough starts is the problem, not the shit furlough. Hard to make plans/reservations on such sort notice. And it costs more, too. On the other hand, it IS an imperfect world, and some people need to quit bitching like a westside welfare queen.
"Insane.." It's ALWAYS been that way. New schedule has nothing to do with it...now go rinse some of that gel out of your hair.
Thanks FOP ur the BEST NOW LETS GOLF.Cooter said
4-2 or 6-2. Don't forget your 4 straight days will be a long 9.5 hours. I like the 6-3 schedule.
This 4-2 schedule mainly benefits the city financially. Less overtime authorized and more comptime, personal and bfds used.
This is another deal the city has convinced our stupid union to promote. Thanks FLOP!
Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
11/16/2009 10:52:00 PM
HA HA HA HA HA HA. Did you volunteer for this job?
THANKS DONOHUE AFTER PROMISING 701 WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH AIRPORTS YOU FUCKED ALL OF US HERE! MARK GTFU WITH THE OTHERS,MIKE SHIELDS STEP UP IT IS ALL YOURS ALL OF IT,JUST PLEASE BRING IN ALL NEW BLOOD THANKS MIKE IN ADVANCE!
11/16/2009 10:22:00 PM
Simple solution: Bid out. Crybaby.
Jesus Christ, if all you bitchy bloggers would have gone to FOP meetings, 4-2 would never have become reality. Thank God you're all just a bunch of lazy bastards. Then again, maybe you all are only one or two people. Hi Wayne.
Everyone needs to stop behaving like this is a great accomplishment on FLOP's part. Quite simply the City after Marv Shearer's financial gutting of the Department and the reality of being almost 3,000 Officers short of its continously made public statements of 13,400 sworn officers, needed to adequately staff the responsibilities of the Department. The only way to do so was to eliminate a day off group and spread that manpower over the other 6 day off groups to achieve better staffing and meet responsibilities. So regardless of the fact that work schedule change has been in negotiation by FLOP for the last 3 contracts and 10 years, in reality it was only achieved as a result of the City being left with no other choice in regards to staffing. Do more with less. While it is a great change and will undoubtedly improve our conditions, please look at it realistically, how much in fact did the FLOP achieve on this issue and how much of it was really just a "necessary evil" the city was left with as a result of under staffing. Please keep this in mind, when accessing where the credit is to be placed.If FLOP is to get all the credit in reality has FLOP not significantly failed in that it took three contracts and 10 years to achieve one benefit?
"So someone with 20 years on the job should give up his/her 7A furlo for a two year wonder? Until you enough time on the job to at least get a working day furlo shut up."
You are an idiot. We need ten years on the job to speak? How is that desk treating you bitch?!
OMG....SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY!...How long have we been waiting for some sort of change and its finally here! I have almost 20 years on,and i remember when we rotated...and there were those who didnt want that to stop. "we used to be closer cause of the watch partys"...times change....roll with it...have you seen the news lately...do you see the unemployment numbers...and we are going to get a raise!...go to your favorate watering hole in 008 or 022 and bitch and moan to some young copper and destroy his/her outlook...you dogs are all the same...no matter what ...you find something wrong...you usually workl the wagon,and you are miserable...lighten up...or better yet get some help for depression...but SHUT THE FUCK UP!! I hear all the bitching...it comes from coppers that dont even have 20 years....sad
To everyone complaining about this why don't you try it first. Give it a few months then make your comments.
Desk people included? I am a watch secratary & work 3 on 4 off now. This new schedule would = 2 on 6 off. Great!!!! I won't have to work all those extra 2 hour days inputting contact cards.
As for rotating backwards.....so what! The ONLY difference is no ore 3 day weekends (given). You can always put a slip in if you want. Rotating backwards at least makes it feel that the work week is shorter.
This is exactly what the city wants, us to use more of our accrued comp time, so then we have to take more time instead of money for ot, they could have easily let us try 6-3, why didnt they??? easy to see; also, good luck trying to burn "your" time in most of the busy districts that are so short manpower... it's a clusterfuck, but i'm willing to try it. let's revisit it in a year and see how it worked out..
FUCK YOUR SIDEJOBS!!!
The Department, City or anyone else doesn't care if your poor little side job suffers! The rest of us shouldn't suffer so you can make a few extra bucks. You miserable fucks! It's the way it is so deal with it! Stop bitching you pathetic asshats! Be happy you have a job and lets face it- for those of you who held REAL jobs before you became cops- is this a real job? You make good money doing what you want for 8.5 hours. How's that DVD working out?
So for you asswipes with time that think because you have time no one else is allowed to speak and for all the side job whores you can all BLOW ME!!!! Also, fuck the 6-2 schedule while I am at it!
FREE FUCKING COZZI TOO!!!!!!!!
Whew!!!..... I feel better now.
16 Million given to Bensonville at the drop of a dime and we still do not have a contract while the mayor cries poor mouth. Meanwhile all of you don't even notice because you have the 4-2 schedule. The mayor is a master and he just distracted you from the real issue of money while you pick up the crumbs. Everything is going up but our pay. The mayor has millions for everything else except the police. Look at the big picture we still get the short end of the stick.
i work in 014 i burned less time in 2009 then 2008 no one here gives a shit about the 3 day weekends and who keeps telling you you burn more time show me how you would burn more time and if you dont like it go back to the factory and work 5 days with 2 days off with 2 weeks of vacation bitch bitch bitch
4-2 versus 6-2? Even a fifth grader would chose 4-2. I talked to a few Officers who works 4-2 even KMA old timers and they told me that they freaking love it. All I gotta say is THANK YOU VERY MUCH !!
It's like the Chinese curse..."Be careful what you wish for, you may get it."
Thank god thank god thank god!
Masters.
Is a tool.
I work the 6-3 and love it, I burn a day once a month and get a 4 day weekend, I'm very happy 008 is keeping that schedule, I feel rested, have had more family time and even got in better shape this year. But I have not heard a bad thing about the 4-2 from the people I know that have that schedule, they love it too, don't knock it till you try it
In regards to Dan Hampton, I might be wrong but I think he has had a couple of DUIs so he might not be a fan of the police. I understand that it was a rude comment, but who the fuck really cares about what Dan Hampton has to say about our beloved officer, especially if you have to approach him. Jordan made a nice reference to John Knight that was unprompted and sincere. Ultimately though I only care what his fellow brothers in blue and family have to say. Just remember these guys play a kids game for millions, it doesn't make them great orators, or great men or entitled to great opinions.
Anonymous said...
This is a big mistake! No more 3 day weekends!
11/16/2009 11:40:00 PM
All you can focus on is the 3 day weekend. When those roll around, yes, they are great. BUT, what about the other six weeks in a row that you have to work 6 straight days with only two off? Those weeks suck ass. Everything in life is a trade off. I think this is a good trade off. We are getting rid of working 6 straight days!! Think about it. Our work week is only four straight! the proffessional world would kill for that schedule. To me, it's well worth giving up the 3day weekends that would only roll around about 8 times a year.
To those saying that the 6-3 is the answer, you may be right, but the majority of us kept telling the FOP that we wanted to get rid of the 6 day work week. SO... that's what they focused on. And they accomplished it for us. I think either the 6-3 or 4-2 are stellar schedules and i am extremely happy to finally get rid of the 6-2. I think that was the worst schedule ever and can't believe anyone would bitch about seeing that go. Anything at all was better than that.
To those that just can't see past losing the "3 day weekend," remember there are still districts out there working other schedules. The 6-3 is still going in 2 districts and the 10 hour days are going in districts and units. If losing the 3 days weekend which only rolls around every 6 weeks is THAT important to you, then you should bid to one of those said districts that have a schedule more fitting to you.
The FOP was savvy enough to be able to keep some districts working under different schedules for people that really want those.
I have to say, great great job by the FOP on this one. You accomplished something no other teams have been able to for over 45 years. You found a way to be able to make everyone happy. A monumental task among these cry babies we work with.
I've got 20 years on the job genius. Go back and read the original post. Seniority has nothing to do with giving employees (yes, that's what we are) adequate notice before their vacation starts. The city should have decided what they wanted to do weeks ago. The city fucks up and the typical CPD meathead starts ripping the kids just off probation. Not too many of us get fired every year. Find something to hang your hat on besides lack of adverse job action by your employer.
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well 20 yearer, I only have 13, but I already know if you are a copper who only has a year or two going into the new year if you expected anything other than a 1 or 2 furlo you are a moron. It's not that hard to see, so who really cares what schedule they give us? MASTERS!
Regaring 1:05am's Dan Hampton comment. Why would anyone want a football player to speak about the loss of a Chicago Police Officer. Dan Hampton is no hero. He never worked a day in his life. Pee Wee ball 2 high school ball 2 college ball 2 pro ball 2 commercials about his fucked up back. Big accomplishment in the grand scale of life. Pick better heros. How about a combat veteran who knows of the loss of his comrades. How about one of those humble Medal of Honor holders.
Teach your kids who the REAL HEROS are.
The officers who were going to get 1st Period furlough know who they are and they were going to get that furlough anyway.
I got 1st or 2nd furlough the first 3 years I worked and was told that is how it is. Then I was lucky enough to get part of a 3rd and 4th period.
What would you suggest, that new people suddenly be awarded summer or 13th period furloughs? You can give up yours if you like.
11/17/2009 06:37:00 AM
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You people are morons. The original post isn't saying young coppers should have anything but a winter furlough. The point is we should be picking furloughs with adequate time for people to make plans. And the other point isn't that they already know they are getting winter furloughs. They do know that. The post's point is that we are constantly disrespected by the department and city, and you will never get a professional organization until that organization starts treating its members professionally. The stupidity of some people never ceases to amaze me.
Moron. 16 extra days off a year but some can only see those two lousy 3 day weekends every 6 weeks. Good riddance 6 and 2. May we never see the likes of that schedule again.
11/17/2009 06:40:00 AM
No.......you are the moron. Maybe you need to look over the 6 and 3 schedule before you claim this 4 and 2 schedule is the best thing for us. Is 4-2 better than 6-2, yes it is.....but the 6-3 is better than all of them.
THANKS DONOHUE AFTER PROMISING 701 WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH AIRPORTS YOU FUCKED ALL OF US HERE! MARK GTFU WITH THE OTHERS . . .
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Uhh, yeah, you guys at the airport are really getting "fucked" . . .
Then transfer back to a district crybaby..
does your "phone' still work?
Hey 701, you barely work a one day week, so enjoy what you have.
Yep, units without clout will still be 6 and 2. Thanks for nothing.
Anonymous said...
Insane.....some of the younger coppers will be going on furlough two weeks after picks. Just because they are new on the job doesn't mean they should be jacked around. I know someone will post talking about how they walked to furlough, both ways, with no shoes in snow when the were new; but that's the same logic all these asshole bosses use. Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
11/16/2009 10:52:00
Hey kid, this Dept. is far from a professional organization, get used to it. Look who's in charge here. I rest my case, and don't get me started on the Flop. Hey Bella, you suck.
OT: Got a call today. New Recruit POWER Test Nov 28th. New class expected to begin before Christmas.
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Am I missing something? Didn't the city and fop agree to the pilot programs to see which one the rank and file liked the best and would work out better for the majority? Weren't we supposed to give input on which one we prefer? Would it be put to a vote with our unit reps asking our opinions? Was this a ploy by "management", just to get us to go along with what the little prick wants? Who started the blitz on this blog to get the 4-2? was it the city or some people with side jobs that fit with their schedules? What is wrong with the other work schedules? Did anyone discuss them?
Inquiring minds would like to know...
11/10/2009 06:04:00 PM
Your Unit Reps and the Flop sold us out. They held a secret meeting at the Flop Hall and had a suck fest. Whatever pilot program the unit reps liked got picked. The Flop wanted the 6-3.
Was anyone actually asked about the other schedules? What is the catch? It's not that I don't trust any of the parties involved. I'ts the way it's been done and that I don't trust the parties involved.
11/17/2009 06:46:00 AM
Why would the Fop want input from you? You're just a member who pays dues. If they did, they would be considered a union, we can't have that now. Marky is too busy seeking future employment somewhere sweet. He and the other flunkies don't care about you or the Cpd.
The Fop ignored the input it received on the surveys on their own website. Just like Weis and UIC ignored the morale survey findings. It's one big scam. Together we can.
Attention, Whether you like the schedule or not, it should have been put up for a vote by all active union members, majority wins. Just like they did years ago when trying to pilot the 10 hour days, it was shot down by the members and Fop was pissed.
Let's not be fooled into thinking the Fop did something good here, the end doesn't justify the means. Think about it.
Be careful, wait til you hear what we gave up to get this. If it looks like a union and acts like a union, it certainly isn't the current Fop.
The only one's that are not happpy with the 4-2 schedule are the officers who have nothing going on in there life and want to be at work more and away from there family.The 4-2 schedule is far better than the 6-2 we have been doing for ever.Please stop complaining and enjoy your life.Don't make your life the CPD
This schedule will suck for Midnights without a REAL SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL INCENTIVE.
Maybe that's the idea.
Why not give mignights a bone, even if it's a half hour a day on the books.
Anonymous said...
We will be off one true weekend out of every six. We will all be crying and screaming before the end of the year. Oh, and how much will we enjoy going backwards with our days off? Backwards is where FOP had taken us!
11/16/2009 11:32:00
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Come on BURN a slip! Big deal! Or did you use up all your time drinking in your basement or going to some bar on 113th and Western....
If you spent some time in court you would have some COMP TIME to take a day on a weekend!
"IRS: Tax amnesty brings in billions
Nearly 15,000 wealthy Americans participated in the government's amnesty program.
Posted by Elizabeth Strott on Tuesday, November 17, 2009 12:00 PM
Thousands of wealthy Americans decided to tell the Internal Revenue Service about offshore bank accounts, taking advantage of a special amnesty program that ended in October.
The program offered reduced penalties for wealthy Americans who voluntarily disclosed previously undeclared foreign bank accounts and assets, the IRS and U.S. Justice Department announced today.
"We were flooded with people coming in the final days of the program," IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman told reporters. Regarding the value of the accounts, "we are talking about billions of dollars coming into the U.S. Treasury," Shulman said.
The IRS said the 14,700 voluntary disclosures announced today are nearly double what the agency reported last month. They are also in addition to the 4,450 accounts UBS (UBS) must turn over to the IRS under a settlement with the U.S. government. Terms of the settlement call for UBS to disclose the identities of American clients who are suspected of evading U.S. taxes.
Shulman said that many disclosures involved bank accounts in Switzerland and Europe but that assets were hidden in more than 70 countries."
Would be willing to bet that Richie Pisspants Daley and many of his circlejerkers have offshore accounts. Hope they release the names to the public. Little Richie Pisspants could have easily opened accounts on one of his many free private jet jaunts to Europe with Magpipe.
i actually think that the citizens are going to get much better police service out of us now with the new schedule.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA STOP IT YOUR HURTING MY SIDE !!!!!!
can anyone tell me how the dayoff groups are going to be? is it just dog 7 that is affected or will we all be getting new ones?
"newer guys" going on furlo 2 weeks after picks
Thats the furlough they would have gotten anyway!!
Is this the whole dept? Even the the 6-3 districts?
Let me preface this by saying im not a big FOP fan. However all you bashers on here give them a little credit. They got an alternative schedule thats better. And they didnt give up anything to get it. And quit complaining and go to a meeting once in a while.
can anyone tell me for sure if the helicopter unit is part of this schedule or are they still on their own schedule??????????
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Insane.....some of the younger coppers will be going on furlough two weeks after picks. Just because they are new on the job doesn't mean they should be jacked around. I know someone will post talking about how they walked to furlough, both ways, with no shoes in snow when the were new; but that's the same logic all these asshole bosses use. Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
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Big deal, young coppers go on furlo just weeks after the picks EVERY YEAR there is nothing new in that...
THANKS DONOHUE AFTER PROMISING 701 WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH AIRPORTS YOU FUCKED ALL OF US HERE! MARK GTFU WITH THE OTHERS,MIKE SHIELDS STEP UP IT IS ALL YOURS ALL OF IT,JUST PLEASE BRING IN ALL NEW BLOOD THANKS MIKE IN ADVANCE!
Dont you dare fkn start crying about this. Your dog ass works at the airports. STFU... If you dont like it and want to leave your cush job at the airport me and about 8 thousand other coppers would love to replace you. UnFu*king belivable!!! Some people will cry about anything.
hey 1052pm, you said professional organizations! Well you are now a member of the CPD, and professional doesnt describe any of those in charge here. Welcome to the rest of your life kid
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Insane.....some of the younger coppers will be going on furlough two weeks after picks. Just because they are new on the job doesn't mean they should be jacked around. I know someone will post talking about how they walked to furlough, both ways, with no shoes in snow when the were new; but that's the same logic all these asshole bosses use. Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
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"Get some time on the job kid"
Holy Fuck! None of you fuckin' guys think about making a buck? This fucks up my business and two side jobs! WTF! Yeah, Yeah, I get it, 2 less days...blah, blah, blah. Trouble is the new start/finish times for this job cut into my peak earning hours at the other gigs. WTF!
I hate bitchers and moaners. To the guy that says "oh and how wil you like rotating backwards?" Im in 018 and LOVE it. You are a fucking moron. Too many guys bitch for anything. To the clown who said we will all be bitching about this shortly, no we wont. In 018, I havent heard of as much as ONE copper who doesnt like it. The ones who will bitch are simply anti FOP. They need something to bitch about because their wife probably slaps them around at home. Oh and im not pro or anti fop, Im just simply HONEST
The two of us chose to believe. All of you FLOP naysayers should be ashamed of yourselves. Don't even think of leaving before 0200 hrs again.
I can't believe some of the P.O.'s that are just plain MISERABLE, NEGATIVE ATTITUDE, etc...
I have six years on this job and I can't believe how some of my coworkers are miserable and always have a negative attitude. Life is too short to ALWAYS be negative.
Insane.....some of the younger coppers will be going on furlough two weeks after picks. Just because they are new on the job doesn't mean they should be jacked around. I know someone will post talking about how they walked to furlough, both ways, with no shoes in snow when the were new; but that's the same logic all these asshole bosses use. Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
You must be one of those "millenials," you deserve everything right away. When I came on the job, my furlough choice was either a full 1 or a 1a - 1b split. So get over yourself and go upstairs and cry to your mommy!!
nsane.....some of the younger coppers will be going on furlough two weeks after picks. Just because they are new on the job doesn't mean they should be jacked around. I know someone will post talking about how they walked to furlough, both ways, with no shoes in snow when the were new; but that's the same logic all these asshole bosses use. Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
11/16/2009 10:52:00 PM
If you got little time on the job you can expect to have a shitty furlough!
What's the problem?! It's no secret!
Anonymous said...
nsane.....some of the younger coppers will be going on furlough two weeks after picks. Just because they are new on the job doesn't mean they should be jacked around. I know someone will post talking about how they walked to furlough, both ways, with no shoes in snow when the were new; but that's the same logic all these asshole bosses use. Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
11/16/2009 10:52:00 PM
If you got little time on the job you can expect to have a shitty furlough!
What's the problem?! It's no secret!
11/17/2009 04:41:00 PM
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One of the "few" perks left for those with seniority.
It was earned.
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Am I missing something? Didn't the city and fop agree to the pilot programs to see which one the rank and file liked the best and would work out better for the majority? Weren't we supposed to give input on which one we prefer? Would it be put to a vote with our unit reps asking our opinions? Was this a ploy by "management", just to get us to go along with what the little prick wants? Who started the blitz on this blog to get the 4-2? was it the city or some people with side jobs that fit with their schedules? What is wrong with the other work schedules? Did anyone discuss them?
Inquiring minds would like to know...
11/10/2009 06:04:00 PM
Your Unit Reps and the Flop sold us out. They held a secret meeting at the Flop Hall and had a suck fest. Whatever pilot program the unit reps liked got picked. The Flop wanted the 6-3.
11/17/2009 12:25:00 PM
You are full of shit. I am a unit rep and the meeting was NOT secret and we did NOT get a vote. We were told which way the Board of Directors voted, we were informed, that is all the meeting was about.
At no time was the alternative work schedule going to be voted on, the only one the city would agree to was the 4 and 2. Remember, management has a pretty big say in this, they are, after all, management.
So your choice would have been 6-2 or 4-2. And it is likely that only 30% or so would bother to send the ballots back in anyway. I like it better this way. Now it is done. We asked for it, we got it. Now shut up and work.
Boy! those coppers in 701 are a bunch of crybabies!!!
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can anyone tell me for sure if the helicopter unit is part of this schedule or are they still on their own schedule??????????
11/17/2009 03:18:00 PM
we have a helicopter unit?
I am glad about this schedule. It is a long time in coming. Leaving roll call after the announcement was the first time in a very long, long time that I actually left the station in a very good mood about this job and the last time that happen it had to be in the 1990's when I was too young to know better.
Certainly, not everyone is happy about this, but I would say about 80% of the guys I talked to are glad about this schedule.
I still remember a couple of contracts back when a FOP vote on the issue scheduling issue resulted in a tie by the membership. Right! A tie!
This I think will do something with brightening the outlook for the future, but not as much if Shortshanks would give us a fair contract. I still will consider any alternatives we can use that will put pressure on that numbnutz to treat us fairly.
So many know-nothing motherfuckers on this site talk nothing but shit "wait till you see what we gave up to get this". We gave nothing up to get this you numbnuts. These fucking coppers are truly stupid!
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Everyone needs to stop behaving like this is a great accomplishment on FLOP's part. Quite simply the City after Marv Shearer's financial gutting of the Department and the reality of being almost 3,000 Officers short of its continously made public statements of 13,400 sworn officers, needed to adequately staff the responsibilities of the Department.
11/17/2009 08:03:00 AM
And never forget, ADS Marv Shear, even though he masqueraded in the CPD blue-shirt uniform for a few years, is not a friend of the sworn side of the organization, unless you are one of his ass kissers. O20 Lucy! We are calling you out!
In fact, Shear is an asshole that has completely forgotten about the people in uniform and has totally gone over to the other side. Our very own CPD Benedict Arnold comes to mind. And he and Huberman have two things in common, with one of them being from blue shirt to ADS with no stops in between! ADS my ass!
Boo whoo! For the guys with little time on the job!
Hey asswipe, at least you have a job in this shitty economy making a decent buck! Let's be honest!
I know of a few people who haven't had a paycheck in over a year! Ask them if they had a job with a winter vacation how they would deal with it!
Just deal with it! When I had a winter furloughs, i just went to someplace warm like Mexico and the Caribbean! There's a nice thought when it is below zero outside!
We all went through it, except for J-Fed! The P.P.O's will all get their great furlough picks soon enough on the job!
It's a right of passage!
For those who think Fop rocks you are out of touch or belong to the current administration. First of all the members were trying to eliminate 6 day work week and did not want a 10 hour day,so why were they part of the pilot program. Is FOP not listening to the members. The work schedule should stay the same for now only until something more thought out can come to the table and be presented to the members for approval not shoved down our throats. I work the 6-3 schedule,and id rather work the 6-2 for the following reason. With the 6-2 Vacation days, B-furlo days is a tour of duty per the collective bargaining agreement. With the new schedule if you have a working day furlo your vacation day is converted to hours at a rate of 8 hours even though you are working 8.5 and you have to use .5 hours of comp time for a B-furlo. even though a B-furlo day in the CBA mirrors a work day. Now as far as this nonse of getting more time off that is a misconception, the magic # is 2080 a year and under the new schedule you will work 2074 that only equals 6 hours people. So you work an extra half hour a day to earn 1.5 minutes. Why should any one of us have to dip into our comp time just to complete our furlo that we have already earned per the CBA. So no one is getting extra days off you are still working the same amount of time and off the same amount of time, it justs looks different. Take a solid nickle and 5 pennies looks different one looks like more because of numbers but in the end its the same. Remember the grass looks greener on the other side and FOP works for us,not dictate to us. They dangled a carrot lets not be foolish enough to bite.
"The only way to do so was to eliminate a day off group and spread that manpower over the other 6 day off groups to achieve better staffing and meet responsibilities."
OK, stupid. Let's run through this one time: there used to be 7 day off groups. That means 2/7 of the work force is off every day. Now there will be 6 day off groups, with 2/6 (or 1/3 for those of you who didn't get past 2nd grade) off every day. Because 2/6 is bigger than 2/7, that means that there will be LESS officers on the street every day. Probably 1 or 2 cars per watch per day. So how on earth is this "better staffing" and better able to "meet responsibilities"? To whom? Certainly not the citizens. And how much more do additional cars and PDTs and radios and in-car cameras cost?
What will be given up for these additional costs and less officers on the street? And are you ready to quit whining about less police on the west end of 8 or the north end of 16 or 17?
And the starting times really suck. Ask anyone trying to coordinate with a spouse's workday. And yes, some officers are actually trying to improve themselves and go to school. It used to be you'd work midnights and take night classes before work. Now that's all f'cked up.
For Christ's sake think big picture and long-term.
O.K. now we are on a roll, lets work to eliminate the 4th work day now!
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Holy Fuck! None of you fuckin' guys think about making a buck? This fucks up my business and two side jobs! WTF! Yeah, Yeah, I get it, 2 less days...blah, blah, blah. Trouble is the new start/finish times for this job cut into my peak earning hours at the other gigs. WTF!
11/17/2009 03:52:00 PM
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Then maybe you should consider doing your "side jobs" full time! I'm so tired of hearing you little girls whine about your side jobs. You need to work around your main career. If you don't consider the Department your main career, then you should consider doing something else.
Sorry if it sounds biased or offends. Im currently working the 6-3 and love it and would not trade it at all. Schedule is great, feel rested like just came back off a mini-vacation everytime and still have time to work sidejobs, go to court and be with the family.
Mmmmm.......I noticed how you put family LAST in your list. Freud would have a field day.
.23 December Same old shit
Why would the Fop want input from you? You're just a member who pays dues. If they did, they would be considered a union, we can't have that now. Marky is too busy seeking future employment somewhere sweet. He and the other flunkies don't care about you or the Cpd.
The Fop ignored the input it received on the surveys on their own website. Just like Weis and UIC ignored the morale survey findings. It's one big scam. Together we can.
11/17/2009 12:33:00 PM
Hey asshat, maybe if you got off your lazy ass and go to the union meetings then you would have some input.
Is the 4-2 better than 6-2, YES! is 4-2 better than 6-3, ABSOLUTELY NOT!
11/17/2009 12:57:00 AM
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The city would not agree to going to the 6/3 citywide! After 24 yrs of the current schedule, I'll GLADLY take the 4/2. Thank you FOP!
to all the smart guys posting that we should give the young coppers time to plan their furlos I say this. When I had 1 2 or 3 years on I planned for a 1 or 2 furlo, if at furlo picks I could do better I would do it if it didn't effect my plans I made. So do the same thing, plan for a 1 or 2 if you do better, you'll have time to plan then, if not you already planned for a 1 or 2 anyway, not so hard now is it? And they said the college requirement would improve the mental capacity of the department...
I'm a timekeeper & on the day of furlo picks, I'm shocked as some of the last ones left sitting in on the picks (2 to 3 yrs on) bitching about how unfair it is that they are getting 1A to 3A furlo's...saying "what the f***, this ain't fair" "when do I get my summer furlo" I just see some "spoiled brats" that never were told "no you can't have that" Unreal!!
Read the Order put out by the Department, not just the Pax 501... It actually says, that one of the goals of this new schedule is to cut back on Overtime... Yeah they did this for our benefit...
I'm a 3 year guy, and I am very well prepared, as well is everyone else I talked too wit close to my senority, to have a 1, 2, or MAYBE a 3 furlo. It's how it works, everyone does it, if a 3 and below guy goes into furlo picks think he/she will get any better, then they are out of their minds. We've known this since we got back from our last furlo in Feb! haha
The bottom line is that we as p.o's pay our union dues to the FOP UNION and in return that FOP should have our backs! So when FOP cant include other outside uint(s) into the 4-2 schedule (that want it )this is unfair... So im sure that if you work in a district and voted to have the 4-2 , then did not get it you would be pissed off too... Thanks FOP for not havein our backs!!!!!!!!
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nsane.....some of the younger coppers will be going on furlough two weeks after picks. Just because they are new on the job doesn't mean they should be jacked around. I know someone will post talking about how they walked to furlough, both ways, with no shoes in snow when the were new; but that's the same logic all these asshole bosses use. Professional organizations don't treat their employees like this, it doesn't matter how long they've worked for you.
11/16/2009 10:52:00 PM
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You can waive your pick when the time comes and choose to pick last if you want.
I HAVE JUST ONE QUESTION? WHAT WOULD US OFFICERS NEED OR GET, SO NO ONE COMPLAINS? IF I HAD MAGIC POWERS WHAT COULD I GIVE TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO KEEP EVERYONE HAPPY.
Hey if you really want to bitch young guys, come to 019 where with 8 years on the job you MIGHT, just be able to get a 4A furlo... and with 9 years you just MIGHT get 3rd watch
The city refuses to give the 4-2 to Lt's and Capt's because they state it does not serve any purpose. Well how about this Mayor ass wipe, I will be taking more ducks now then I ever did before signed Lt. 4 for 8
To the young officers on the job who are going to get a 1 period furlough,my first year on CPD i knew i was going to get a winter furlough so i planned ahead,my first year was a trip to Las Vegas(it was a little cooler at night).Think about it,it was the time of year where it slowed down and there where really good deals out there.We stayed at one of the best hotels in Vegas(the MGM).The car rental was cheaper when we arrived they upgraded my car rental from a chevy impala to a shiney knew chryslar 300(because they had just updated the fleet of cars and with a knew batch and was turning over the older cars),and upon checking in at the hotel they upgraded my room.The second year went on a 7 day criuse at the price of the four day cruise,we did a little research because you have too check where hurricane season falls in-between.It was the best time too take the cruise because it was at a slower time of the year for them also,once again i found a good deal.I know it's a long rant but the point i want to make is you have too make it work for you.I have had a quite a few jobs and i will tell you besides my time as a U.S.Marine(the best time of my life).Nothing else compares to being a Chicago Police Officer and not because of the pay(a bonus)but because at the time this was the best Police Dept. in the country bar none.The bosses where great,the co-workers where great because they where willing too take a knucklehead like me,help me become a Chicago Police Officer and for that i was and still to this day am greatful and feel it was an honor too take that early furlough,because i knew the P.O.'s before me paid the dues neccssary to have the good furluogh's.My first night on the job a homicide at Keeler/Jackson,you can take a guess as to who the Sgt assigned the case report?.We all had to do our time in the P.P.O. box,before you know it you will have 5-6 years on,you wont get that ultamate furlough segment but you will not have to accept a 1a-2b dates.Hang in there it will get better!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2010 no captains assigned to
districts without a lock up
I get first picks on watch and furlough. Wasn't always that way, I had to wait years. Seniority is great, when you have some you enjoy it, seniority is earned.
So no seniority gets you a crap furlough, you can always bid to a different district if watch selection and furlough are priorities. But two years is shit anywhere.
4 and 2 sounds just fine for me. 4 days is all I have to do? Oooh boy, I am gonna like that. Days to boot! What's next? In three years they will start paying me $60,000 a year to stay home! Forever! With a 3% raise every year! And I never break a sweat! What's not to like? OK by me.
The only way to do so was to eliminate a day off group and spread that manpower over the other 6 day off groups to achieve better staffing and meet responsibilities."
OK, stupid. Let's run through this one time: there used to be 7 day off groups. That means 2/7 of the work force is off every day. Now there will be 6 day off groups, with 2/6 (or 1/3 for those of you who didn't get past 2nd grade) off every day. Because 2/6 is bigger than 2/7, that means that there will be LESS officers on the street every day. Probably 1 or 2 cars per watch per day. So how on earth is this "better staffing" and better able to "meet responsibilities"? To whom? Certainly not the citizens. And how much more do additional cars and PDTs and radios and in-car cameras cost?
What will be given up for these additional costs and less officers on the street? And are you ready to quit whining about less police on the west end of 8 or the north end of 16 or 17?
And the starting times really suck. Ask anyone trying to coordinate with a spouse's workday. And yes, some officers are actually trying to improve themselves and go to school. It used to be you'd work midnights and take night classes before work. Now that's all f'cked up.
For Christ's sake think big picture and long-term.
You my friend are a idiot.
let me break it down for you if for numbers sake lets say we have 10,000 cops divided over 7 day off groups and they eliminate day off group 7 that is 1,428 cops and they disperse them over the 6 day of groups that 238 officers extra on each day off group. so although your 2/7 and 2/6 is correct you are not taking into effect the extra officers! u must have gone to a public school!
let me break it down for you if for numbers sake lets say we have 10,000 cops divided over 7 day off groups and they eliminate day off group 7 that is 1,428 cops and they disperse them over the 6 day of groups that 238 officers extra on each day off group. so although your 2/7 and 2/6 is correct you are not taking into effect the extra officers! u must have gone to a public school!
Umm, try this moron:
Let's say 42 POs on a watch. Spread over 7 DOGs in 6&2 is 6 per DOG, 12 officers off each day. Spread over 6 DOGs in 4&2 is 7 per DOG, 14 officers off each day. Get it now? You must have gone to a parochial school.
Let's say 42 POs on a watch. Spread over 7 DOGs in 6&2 is 6 per DOG, 12 officers off each day. Spread over 6 DOGs in 4&2 is 7 per DOG, 14 officers off each day. Get it now? You must have gone to a parochial school.
11/18/2009 10:12:00 PM
42 officers on a watch? where do we work lincolnwood ? you idiot you must have went to clemente.
on any given day there are 12 officers working inside! moron
Now fully admitting that I went to a suburban public school and my wife went to a suburban parachoial school, we both been figurin that based on a number of 10,000 officers put into 6 day off groups that adds 238 officers to every day off group if evenly spread out, so while you have 2 day off groups with 1667 Officers per DOG on the the 4-2 or 3333 off a day, you also have added 238 officers to 4 other DOGs for a total of 952 more Officers a day that are not day off.
Anonymous said...
The bottom line is that we as p.o's pay our union dues to the FOP UNION and in return that FOP should have our backs! So when FOP cant include other outside uint(s) into the 4-2 schedule (that want it )this is unfair... So im sure that if you work in a district and voted to have the 4-2 , then did not get it you would be pissed off too... Thanks FOP for not havein our backs!!!!!!!!
11/18/2009 12:46:00 AM
Why don't you go to an FOP meeting once in a while and tell your concerns directly to the FOP leadership. Come to think of it there was an FOP meeting just the other day, Tuesday to be exact.
Your very question was addressed by Mark Donahue who stood for questions as long as anyone had questions to ask.
What? You weren't there? So I guess you won't know the answer. Ask your Unit Rep or call 312-733-7776.
**** TO ALL UNITS NOT INCLUDED IN THE NEW 4-2 SCHEDULE ****
Get together with your unit reps and get a petition going stating that you want to be included in ongoing negotiations for purposes of eliminating the 6th work day like the bulk of the police department has done.
Work hard to get 100% of the unit to sign this petition. Get your unit rep to present these petitions to FOP President Donahue and ask for monthly updates from the Work Schedule Committee, chaired by FOP Trustee Kevin Graham of 023.
Do not let anyone forget you submitted the petition and if you are not updated monthly on progress lean on your unit reps to keep this subject on the front burner and to keep the membership of those units informed.
Now get moving.
"actions speak louder than words"
Anonymous said...
MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK INTO A REAL UNION...... LIKE THE TEAMSTERS!!! AT LEAST THEY HAVE BALLS!!!!!
11/17/2009 12:08:00 AM
You can always go drive a truck and join the Teamsters. No one is stopping you. Or don't you have the balls?
Anonymous said...
This is a big mistake! No more 3 day weekends!
11/16/2009 11:40:00 PM
Watch for vacancies in units still working the 6-2 and work to go there and you will get your 3 day weekends.
IM A BIT LOST HERE , SOMEONE HELP ME WITH THIS! what are people thanking the FLOP for??? what did they get us??? the city said we want 4-2 take it or leave it,, so the FLOP doesnt even ask us. they jus take what the city says and rolls with it! why do we even have a union. i agree 4 is better then 6 dont get me wrong here, but if the CITY says this is what we want, where does negotiations set in. im sure alot more would of loved the 4-2 if BFD, AND VACATION DAYS were actual days not hrs. THE PERSONAL DAYS ARE FULL DAYS. if the city can make PERSONAL DAYS A FULL DAY. THEY COULD OF GIVEN THE BFD'S AND VACATION DAYS AS FULL DAYS NOW THAT WOULD OF BEEN WORTH FIGHTING FOR! thats all im saying WHAT DID THEY ACTUALLY NEGOTIATE FOR US?
The 4-2 schedule is a shitty schedule!! If you work midnights, good luck! This is a schedule the city came up with. THEY want us to burn our comp time. As for the FOP, Donohue is nothing but a political KISS ASS. A lot of the FOP leadership is only worried about themselves and not about the members. It's time for new blood.
What the fuck, who picked this shit. This doesn't give us more time. the start time r fucked up. To the assholes whom voted 4 this. Next time ask the people what they want.
10 hour days are the shit. Now everyone has to work 8 1/2 hour shifts to lose a day a week. Dont mention burning comp time. 005 here I come. I had more time to work part times and still had a day or 2 off. The flop didnt even keep the 10 hour rapids that they want to propose. Thanks flop yall fucked up a good thing!!!!!!!!
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