Is It Just Us...
...or was this about the quickest determination of "suicide" in a Chicago death investigation in recent years?
The death of Chicago School Board President Michael Scott was ruled a suicide this afternoon by the Cook County Medical Examiner's office. He died of a gunshot wound to the head, officials said.
Of course, the web Scott operated in is now a hotbed of conspiracy theories. The list of people interviewed in the Sun Times article is a veritable "Who's Who" of political intrigue and insider connections:
- A stunned Rev. Jesse Jackson showed up at the scene...
- U.S. Education Secretary Arne Duncan, the former CEO of the Chicago Public Schools, issued a statement...
- Ron Huberman, who replaced Duncan as schools CEO, was at Scott’s Near West Side condominium this morning to offer condolences to family and friends. He was joined by schools spokeswoman Monique Bond...
- Cook County Board President Todd Stroger issued a statement...
The list of aldercreatures is extensive, too. And then there are the intriguing parts:
- Scott was Daley’s long-time go-to guy but raised eyebrows earlier this year when he disclosed to the Sun-Times that he had been subpoenaed by a federal grand jury investigating how students were selected for the system’s elite selective-enrollment high schools.
In August, he was forced to answer questions about his involvement in a development proposal near the the proposed Douglas Park Olympic site.
He insisted he would not profit from the deal.
- On Monday, Carothers cut off a conversation with a reporter when asked whether he had recorded any conversations with Scott.
Questions, and more questions. Especially about that wire Ike was wearing.
UPDATE: Even John Kass is wondering - especially about the location, location, location:
UPDATE: Even John Kass is wondering - especially about the location, location, location:
- And in Monday's daylight, after the TV cameras had left, it seemed reasonable that Scott could have easily made his way there.
But the night before, in the dark, it would have been all but unnavigable. He would have had to walk right under the cement counterweight for that old drawbridge, then scramble underneath an iron fence, then down a little embankment overgrown with weeds and strewn with trash.
He'd have walked over broken bottles, old rags from some homeless wanderer. There was a syringe on the ground.
Scott would have walked out along part of the cement river wall running under the bridge. It is about 5 feet below street level, next to an old boarded-up bridge house. It's quiet, even in the day. At night it would be all but silent.
- "We know what the ME ruled," said Police Superintendent Jody Weis. "But there are a lot of questions out there."
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82 Comments:
and why would one of the mayor's top guys have a hand gun ?? the mayor doesn't approve of handguns ?? who was the gun registered to if it was registered at all? hmmmm..... I smell a rat and I think it's a short stuttering one !
Area Three will rule it "mutal Combatants", when they get yelled at from down town for their stupidity, they will reclassify it as "suicide", but also as an on-gonig investigation.
How does a right handed man shoot himself in the left temple?
Haven't any of you heard of assisted suicide?
Were all of thise worried polititians, reverands and burinessmen close friends with the deceased or were many of them potential fellow defendants???????
"Rev. Jesse Jackson showed up at the scene"
Probably just to make sure he was actually dead......
I enjoyed WGNs John Williams referring to Scott as a loyal Soldier but never a Yes Man?
Hey John Willie what Planet have you been living on?
Blogo's pal, now Scott. These thing happen in 3's. Who's next?
Prime suspect: Chalkie
It wasn't a hit. Daley looked surprised and scared.
It's about the Douglas Park deal and they're REAL worried that Scott may have left a package that says "read me (-:" somewhere.
We can only hope that he left 2 packages somewhere to make it that much more difficult for the SAs Office or the "G" to cover-up.
can you say 219 s dearbourn
Me thinks he took valuable Intel to the grave with him on certain crooked politicians starting with the bumbling idiot of the 5th floor of city hall!
What time yesterday was the remains cremated? Car crushed, clothes burned? Gun lost?
Oh no! Could it be MURDER in shitcago! With daley in charge "honest rich" would never allow a murder in his town,especially to a friend who talked with IKE! The rat!
Why does his family report him missing on Sun night, what made them think he was missing.
Michael Scott seems too confident and self-assured as a "Mayor's guy" to even consider suicide. Also seems someone so involved with family and community would have adequate personal resources to battle any supposed depression. This "suicide" smacks of botched organized crime "hit", with coroner's super fast determination of "suicide" even more suspect. Thought nothing can be accomplished with such haste in Cook County.
Michael Scott was sufficiently friendly with Joe Cari to be invited to stay w/Cari at his rented villa in Italy. Cari was also sufficiently friendly with Chris Kelly to have testified about Kelly and Blagovich, and to have worked with them to the degree to be indicted and plead guilty.
Anyone consider that rather than a conventional Mafia hit, that the Eastern European Chicago-based gangsters may be involved. Seems that many of these gangster-types invested heavily in local Chicago real estate, mortgage fraud, and utilitized fed sponsored housing development programs designated for poor neighborhoods.
Also happened litterally in the shadow of the Sun-Times building.
was he in fact right handed? inquiring minds want to know.
Boys and girls,
There is so much going on behind the door, that it has now become an absolute necessity, to have multiple " Just in Case I Accidentally Commit an Unplanned Suicide or become the Unwitting Victim of an Unforeseen Accident/Homicide" packages; secreted and addressed to various friends, investigative, civilian oversight, civic groups, media conglomerates, relgious and political bodies.
I hope that there are some audio, video and written statements that arise from the grave.
People, " in the know", are accidentally dying quite often in Chicago these days.
I sure hope that Blago is paying heed to this???
Dead men can still tell tales!
And in Monday's daylight, after the TV cameras had left, it seemed reasonable that Scott could have easily made his way there.
But the night before, in the dark, it would have been all but unnavigable. He would have had to walk right under the cement counterweight for that old drawbridge, then scramble underneath an iron fence, then down a little embankment overgrown with weeds and strewn with trash.
He'd have walked over broken bottles, old rags from some homeless wanderer. There was a syringe on the ground.
Scott would have walked out along part of the cement river wall running under the bridge. It is about 5 feet below street level, next to an old boarded-up bridge house. It's quiet, even in the day. At night it would be all but silent.
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Anyone seen Big Pussy, Paulie and Silvio?
How does a right handed man shoot himself in the left temple?
11/17/2009 01:01:00 AM
Elizabeth Brackett, last night on Chicago Tonight, indicated that Scott was shot in the left temple and he was, in fact, left-handed.
But then you and I know, that don't mean shit.
It wasn't a hit. Daley looked surprised and scared.
It's about the Douglas Park deal and they're REAL worried that Scott may have left a package that says "read me (-:" somewhere.
We can only hope that he left 2 packages somewhere to make it that much more difficult for the SAs Office or the "G" to cover-up.
11/17/2009 05:08:00 AM
Daley looked scared, but not surprised. I've seen that look on someone else. Someone at a wake that knew he was next.
A. If it was a hit, you usually know that it's coming. You may not know when, but you have a clue that you have become expendable or you know you fucked someone over and there are going to be repercussions. If it was me I'd have a nice thick informational package to screw over whoever ordered the hit.
B. If it was suicide, and I felt I had no alternative but to take my life then I'm taking everyone down with me. I'd have envelopes going to the SA, Feds, AND John Kass spilling it all.
But I'm a realist so I'm leaning towards A. Someone offed him.
---not a cop
This information needs to be made available to Rush Limbaugh,Sean Hannity and Fox News. The Main Stream Media will bury it and make it go away. Something stinks to high heaven about this one. Start the E-mail campaign before this becomes a 19-p.
How about the fact that the 012th district had to keep four cars down detailed to his house and block all day/night at the request of 35th st.
Fastest suicide determination ever? Why, yes, if that's what the mayor wanted. This is the same ME who adjusted criteria for determining "homicide" or redetermining homicides as "undetermined" because that makes the stats look better. The ME does what the mayor wants, period. "My name is Caleb Crawdad and I do declare there has been a murder."
It seems odd that he walked so far to shoot himself. It seems odd that the guy, who is right handed would shoot himself with his left hand. It seems odd that yet another guy close to either Daley or Blago, turns up dead. I think.........me thinks that all of these were set to look like suicides. Something fishy is going on in Chicago....don't you think too?
Anonymous said...
Haven't any of you heard of assisted suicide?
11/17/2009 01:25:00 AM
assisted suicide = murder
"Rev. Jesse Jackson showed up at the scene"
He still hasn't met a camera he doesn't like!
What does it say to the students of CPS when even one of their supposed successful leaders carries a hand gun? How can we expect then not to? What a culture of failure. Hey wait a minute, I thought hand guns were illegal in Chicago, or are cronies exempt? What hypocrisy!
Old and retired but...
most, not all, of the many suicides I'v processed over the years have been scenes of regret, anger, lost hpoes, retaliation etc. etc.
One common thread in the investigations seemed to me to be that they were not scenes hidden
under bridges or hidden at all for the most part.
We'd usually wonder why the "victim" did the deed in the light of family and friends to discover.
I see too that "Shaved" brought up a good point if true.
Right handed shooter would be strange for the entry shot to be into the left side of head.
I'd go with caution on this.
Hmmmm...
The doo-doo is getting deeper, browner and more piquant as the days go by.
Could it be he got a call from the G telling him his number has been pulled?
Did the G have surveillance on him? It's not beyond the realm of possibility.
Are the barking rat westcide revruns crying and running in their sleep over this? They stood a good chance of getting their beaks wet on the Douglas Park land grab.
Hmmm... Who was picked up on "Ikey's Wire"? We note with amusement that the usual coterie of alderthieves have been eerily quiet of late. They haven't been flying around shitting all over and cawing like a flock of blackbirds about "Po-leece needs to take furlough days, caw-caawww!"
...noisy, nasty fuckers aren't they?
OK... enough funny ha-ha, time for the BCP alternate theory...
The late Mr. Scott (condolences to his family) was an operative in Daley Inc. criminal enterprise... This doesn't necessarily tar him with the same brush... But as many a mother & father told their children, "be careful of the company you keep."
He was tabbed by shortshanks to take a high visibility post at CPS after being away for a while.
We wondered out loud... "why in hell would he come back?" Daley Inc. operatives are driven by money, ego and acquiring more money... No one but 42 extra-short is allowed to amass any kind of power to speak of. (Exception: Ed Burke, the only one whose ass we noted the l'il prick kissing. Wonder if the rumors are true about Burke taking the BAR exam for shorty? Shorty takes pains NOT to fuck with Burke or allow Burke to be fucked with... Hmmmm, curious.)
Getting back to Scott & CPS...
Observe and note the recent cast of characters through the CPS revolving door... Duncan and Luberman, who have moved on to better things per shortshanks orders.
We would hazard a guess that perhaps something deeply funkier than the magnet school enrollment dust-up is soon to emerge from the colon of bad political ju-ju and Scott is the fall guy (no pun intended) designated by shorty to protect his interests in Luberman and Duncan.
Dunno though... Duncan was an over his head hack at CPS and Luberman??? Maybe there are some naughty photos of him and the crown prince or one/some of the royal nephews lolling on a bear skin while basking in the warmth of the yule log burning in the fireplace or doing the "hard & fast" on a worn, pissy box spring in the basement.
As one poster said, perhaps Mr. Scott left a package that's labeled "read me."
Perhaps all of this is part and parcel of shortshanks cutting a deal during the super-secret deposition with the G a few years ago when mara georges was told to stay home and play with her dolls while corboy was counsel during the deposition.
So... is 42 extra-short the only one who has immunity while the G laughs at everyone else falling over each other trying to cut a deal and picks them off one by one like coppers used to play traffic lights for movers?
If so then the G has the blood of Mr. Scott on their hands...
Just random musings...
My wife works for CPS, and the most common comment from teachers when they heard Scott was dead was "Huberman did it!"
FIRST BLAGOS GUY TAKES TOO MUCH ASPIRIN AND NOW THIS GUY ENDS UP DEAD? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Christopher KELLY'S death was also ruled a suicide what a coincidence! DaMARE'S button guys are doing a bang up job tying up any loose ends.
IF ONLY THE RIVER COULD TALK...THE WAVES WOULD BE MASSIVE, MORE LIKE A TSUNAMI OF POLITICS!!!
Heard from a source close to the investigation that the gun used was registered to someone very close to shortshanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTbqr6-ry3A
Very interesting video
Sherlock Holmes Quote:
I had neither kith nor kin in Chicago, and was therefore as free as air—or as free as an income of eleven shillings and sixpence a day will permit a man to breathe. Under such circumstances I naturally gravitated downtown, that great cesspool into which all the loungers and idlers of the Empire are irresistibly drained by taxes. There I stayed for some time at a private hotel in the central business district, leading a comfortless, meaningless existence, and spending such money as I had, considerably more freely than I ought."
Dum, dum dum dum, dum....Dragnet's Joe Friday on the case. Natural causes, if you shoot yourself in the head, you die. Next, please?
Daley: Officials may never solve Scott's death
Man, talk about sweeping something under the rug quick and in a hurry.
It was a hit. He could have offed himself in his car, he could have done it anywhere but where it happened. Someone wanted privacy.
fire up the grand jury, baby! take another look at the connections, the back room deals...follow the money...
Conspiracy theory nuts.
All you fools must be 911 truthers.
You have it all figured out and all you had to do was read the papers.
These posts confirm that there really are too many dumb fucks on this job.
First Chicago Police dog "Bear" goes missing and now this supposed suicide. Hmmmm.........
Hey, Deez tings happen...(with a shoulder shrug and side tilt of the head and lower lip pushed out). Next topic.
Daley looked surprised and scared.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that too. I know the mayor is a jag but I don't think I've ever seen him look scared before. Hmmm.
And why were three 012 cars assigned to keep TV crews from around Scott's house. It's good to see resources in a depleted department aren't going to waste.
IF HE WAS GOING TO SHOOT HIMSELF / SUICIDE , WHY GO FOR A WALK AND NOT JUST DO IT IN THE CAR. GRANT IT HE COULD HAVE EVEN CHOOSEN A MOTEL ROOM, BUT THE LOCATION JUST SEEMS A BIT TO ODD. I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS A ROBBERY GONE BAD. EITHER WAY MY BLESSINGS TO HIS FAMILY.
I like the fact his car had no front plate and no city sticker. I also wonder how a person without a FOID card was to obtain a handgun.
Watch the movie city hall. They tell a close confidant of the mayor in that movie to off himself cuz the heats comin down and hes in the middle of it. So he does.
1. A .380 semi-auto
2. How does a right hander shoot himself in the left temple? its not a natural motion unless you have help. Thats like stabbing yourself to death......in the back
I had the same thought about his family reporting him missing. He was last seen at 6p.m. and found at 3 a.m. That's only nine hours.
I didn't even know you were allowed to do a missing person's report that soon after seeing someone.
Why did M Soctt have a gun? Isnt that illegal?
IS it true that M Scott is Public Servant A as recorded by Aldercreature Ike Carothers?
I cant wait till all the dark dealing that M Scott has done in the last 10 or 20 years comes to light.
"I didn't even know you were allowed to do a missing person's report that soon after seeing someone.
11/17/2009 04:22:00 PM"
You can walk out your door, if your not back in 15 minutes Wifey can make out a missing. If She wants a missing report SHE GETS ONE.DATS THE CHICAGH WAY!!
Wow, no mention in Daley's statement about our country's "love of handguns"? It's a whole different story when the act is committed by your friend and confidant, right?
I hope the people responsible for putting this poor man into an unrecoverable situation rot in hell.
How does a right handed man shoot himself in the left temple?
11/17/2009 01:01:00 AM
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His family says he's left-handed.
I like the fact his car had no front plate and no city sticker. I also wonder how a person without a FOID card was to obtain a handgun.
11/17/2009 02:50:00 PM
No city sticker? Motherfucker. They're all above the law aren't they?
Christopher KELLY'S death was also ruled a suicide what a coincidence! DaMARE'S button guys are doing a bang up job tying up any loose ends.
11/17/2009 10:55:00 AM
Who believed THAT? Who drives to a lumber yard to kill themself?
Unregistered handgun!
I had the same thought about his family reporting him missing. He was last seen at 6p.m. and found at 3 a.m. That's only nine hours.
I didn't even know you were allowed to do a missing person's report that soon after seeing someone.
11/17/2009 04:22:00 PM
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Okay, we'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume (hope) you're not a police officer.
Reports are made at the discretion of the responding officer. If there is reason to believe a crime has been committed, a criminal report is generated. If there's reason to believe someone is missing, a missing person report is generated.
This is not New York. We don't have a waiting period to file missing persons reports. If you are a 'creature of habit', as this man's family described him, and you do not follow your weekly routine of visiting your sister and returning home immediately thereafter, the family becomes alarmed. The fact that he is a high-profile individual who is not answering his phone or responding in any way just heightens the concern. The fact that he is a close, personal friend of the mayor guarantees a report if the family wants one.
Without a report number, no one can ping his cell phone or notify Onstar to track his car. You can't get his cell records or track his credit card usage. The RD# is key to moving forward in the search. And, obviously, in this case, it worked.
Anonymous said...
It wasn't a hit. Daley looked surprised and scared.
Surprised because the threat has been realized. the question remains: who's next? (Daley is now scared)
Does the name "Palomar" ring in the suspected connection?
Check the GPS on his cadillac. it will tell you where he had been that day.
His family and friends all say he was left handed. So, I guess the conspiracy is bigger than we thought. Don't let the facts get in the way.
The usual intertwined media/political connections --
"Scott (was) husband of Diana Palomar Scott, Channel 7 TV's vice president of community affairs..."
That was Michelle Obama's quarter-mil-a-year job at the University of Chicago. Involves going to a lot of banquets and luncheons, having cocktails with other rich people, and so forth. U of C eliminated the position after she left for the White House. Probably liability issues, someone might break a fingernail while reaching for the canape' tray or something. You know how it is these days.
Anyway, we're sure that this will have no impact on Channel 7's reporting of real estate developer Scott's "quietly arranged" Olympic land deal involving city property...
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/
1887885,CST-NWS-sprofile17.article
Nancy Jones is as solid as they get. I have dealt with her a couple of times over the years and she has always been very, very professional.
If she says suicide, then I gotta believe it. I must also say that I don't know about the vic being right handed and shot in the left temple. Is that true?
Talk about a "heater case" no pun intended.
Fact - The case is being followed up first hand by a detective sgt. who's actually doing the grunt work... much too important for a lowly detective to handle.
Observation - You'd probably want to carry a gun too if you had to work in a Chicago Public H.S.
The family is hell-bent on calling this a murder. In their eyes, Michael Scott is just not the type to kill his self.
This will all blow away in a few days when the media moves ahead. And even if it was murder, the case won't go far with J-Fed at the helm. Daley has the FBI in his back pocket!
Now he is with his friend John Harris.
I can see getting hold of a gun in this day and age. But where on earth does one buy ammunition? This is the real question!
Unless the Feds look into it nothing will happen. Mob boss Daley has never let CPD investigate his mob hits.
In typical fashion, the Fire Department gets there first, recovers the body, rummages around looking for ID's, take the guy's cell phone out, tramples the crime scene. Not a shred of a chance of a rescue yet they felt compelled to disturb a crime scene. Yet that's how it is, fireman's bravado, they always go running to get the body to have another war story for the firehouse yet they don't do any investigating.
"...Anyone consider that rather than a conventional Mafia hit, that the Eastern European Chicago-based gangsters may be involved?..."
11/17/2009 07:10:00 AM
No, I haven't considered that. On the other hand, have you considered this?
Rather than a cut and dried suicide, I heard the Russian-Irish Crime Families may have teamed up with the Chinese Mafia and were upset about the electronic communications contracts that were let to a female minority firm who is not female at all, but is owned by a breeder of Arabian stallions who may or may not have Muslim ties in the upper midwest!
How long do you have to be missing. Before they file a report on you
OT - Kass on Judge LeRoy Martin Jr.
"How about if we all vote "nay" the next time Martin is up for retention? Martin may find it unsettling, nay, repugnant, to look for a nonpolitical job."
Yes, Kass said this after the former CPD Supt's little boy, (now a judge), sided with convicted arsonist and former CFD Lt. Jeffrey "Matches" Boyle and awarded him his full CFD firefighters pension while he sits in prison as a CONVICTED FELON!!!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/
columnists/chi-kass-11-nov11,0,1832804.column
In August 2007 the Missing Person Identification Act was passed. It is now law in Illinois. (50 ILCS 722) It says in part....
...All law enforcement agencies shall accept without delay any report of a missing person. Acceptance of a missing person report filed in person may not be refused on any ground. No law enforcement agency may refuse to accept a missing person report...
If you read it, you could pretty much report anybody missing anytime, regardless of your relationship or length of time missing.
And yet, the HGS Lt in Area Three has vanished and is nowhere to be found as this heater of a case makes international news! Where is the real leadership we once took for granted.
Several years ago a Mob bookie from Bridgeport, Nick "the Stick" LoCoco, who was under federal indictment for the City hired truck scandal, died after "being kicked in the head by his horse" on a farm in unincorporated DuPage County. The police were not called initially, the body was found by a custodian and transported to a hospital by a private ambulance ....
Blago confidant and co-defendant Christopher Kelly dies mysteriously from an "aspirin overdose". Kelly was transported to Oak Forest Hospital, a nursing center managed by Cook County Hospitals, by a girlfriend who retained counsel and refused to cooperate with the investigation. Kelly was examined at the hospital, which does not have an ER, for FOUR hours before transport to a Trauma Center where he was pronounced dead - huh???
Michael Scott, President of the Chicago Board of Education and a confidant of Mayor Daley was allegedly under federal investigation for selling spots in elite Chicago schools, inappropriate use of TIF funds, the Douglas Park land deal and for suspicious land acquistions from the City of Chicago to Scott and his development partner, David Doig (former Chicago Park District Commissioner), Scott was allegedly recorded by indicted Alderman Carothers on a federal wiretap. It is suggested that Scott was scheduled to meet with Federal Authorities on the morning of his death ....
Call me crazy, some might even call me a conspiracy theorist .... but something smells bad!
Anonymous said...
How long do you have to be missing. Before they file a report on you
11/17/2009 11:08:00 PM
Depends on who you are and circumstances but mostly on who you are, like always.
Anonymous said...
How does a right handed man shoot himself in the left temple?
11/17/2009 01:01:00 AM
Scott was left handed.
gfy said...
was he in fact right handed? inquiring minds want to know.
11/17/2009 07:39:00 AM
Ambi-fucking-dexterous, suddenly you know. He had an attack of southpawitis.
Anonymous said...
Haven't any of you heard of assisted suicide?
11/17/2009 01:25:00 AM
Yeah, like on St. Valentines Day in 1929 in that garage on North Clark St where those 7 guys committed mass suicide.
I hope the people responsible for putting this poor man into an unrecoverable situation rot in hell.
11/17/2009 05:35:00 PM
Your sympathy seems a little misguided. All of these 'movers and shakers' jump in with their eyes wide open. Greed, plain and simple. mMney and power rule the day.
Somebody pissed somebody off.
This is certainly sending a "message".
Perhaps his electronic media, i.e. phone, blackberry, laptop, desktop, etc. should be taken into evidence and analyzed PRONTO.
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