Daley's Flawless Logic
Mayor Daley said Monday he does not share his police superintendent's extreme case of nerves about a wave of police retirements next year because the economy stinks and there are "no jobs out there."
"Retirement is very questionable because of the economy outside. You can't get jobs," the mayor told reporters at an unrelated event.
"Usually when people retire, they'll be able to get a second job. That's very, very difficult today. Very difficult. ... There's no jobs out there."
Granted, they might need to get a job to make ends meet. They might just like to keep busy. But we've noticed when cops need to get a retirement job, it isn't that difficult, and a poor economy makes a security gig that much more available. Many cops get away from the "hired gun" mentality all together and go into something that was just a hobby for them in years past.
The article, aided and abetted by Fran Spielman, continues a couple of Daley's more recent lies:
"Sure everybody's concerned about any type [of mass exodus]. We just had a huge retirement in the Fire Department. So, you start putting in classes right away. ... You start replacing them," the mayor said.
Daley was reminded that his 2010 budget uses federal stimulus money to add just 86 officers, 30 of them for the CTA, after hiring only 46 police officers this year.
"That's why we're going through arbitration on the whole increase [for police officers]. There was 16 percent on the table over five years. They said it wasn't enough. They want 25 or 30 [percent]. That's a lot of money. Taxpayers have to pay it," he said.
Labels: contract stuff
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
62 Comments:
Somewhat On Topic Regarding Jobs.
Anybody hear about a big firing at OEMC? Supposedly, some big fish got the boot and is about to be indicted.
Fortunately all of the DALEY friends and families empowered to steal the taxpayer's money won't have to worry about seeking employment after they retire most if not all are multi-millionaires with ties to big pensions!
so much for keeping contract negotiations out of the media. again.
The other day the Pension Board was pulling up a report of all officers turning 63 next year. I wonder what the final number was.
"Sure everybody's concerned about any type [of mass exodus]. We just had a huge retirement in the Fire Department. So, you start putting in classes right away. ... You start replacing them," the mayor said.
Sooo, you have on the average of 40
officers leaving each month and you don't do any hiring?
this man has truely lost his mind. does he believe everyone has a two day memory? why isnt ''our union'' calling him out on these bullshit lies? sometimes silence...speaks volumes.
I try to stay a step ahead of the stuttering prick and his whole Daley/Burke Crime Family.
I grocery shop outside the city/county.
I fill my gas tank outside the city/county.
My car is registered in Wisconsin where I don't need a city sticker and I save a lot on auto insurance.
I will not park at a meter box.
For larger purchases I go to Abt Appliance in Glenview or up to the outlet mall in Kenosha.
Ya just have to make things work for you.
Face the facts. In 10 years there will be no pensions.
So King Daley is keeping his fingers crossed that the 1000 or more officers that can retire won't next year? Boy is he dumb and wrong! So the king will continue to keep decimating the police department hoping that it will survive his attact? Wrong! We are so short right now it's scary and there are no recruits in the academy and no one even ready to enter the academy. If only the public and media knew the truth. By then it may be too late.
Daley is an outright liar and settling our contract is not going to help morale. Neither is getting a new sup. We need leadership worthy of the job we do for them.
word has it that daley was slurping up the jameson like it was peach pop and he took a header... mctightwad knows that the arbitrator is going to reward some kind of a raise to the cpd so he is setting us up to be the bad guy in the media----
HAte to say it but Daley's right. The Geezers will NEVER retire. Their Def Comp is shot and their home aren't worth shit anymore. Why should they retire? They can go to any district they want, work any watch they want, tell the W/C to blow them and still gobble up all the OT.
The rest of us will are left with nothing.
In the last dist bid you needed 15 years to bid to 014. 15. I mean come on.
The 55 and health ins is a red hearing. Daley will dump us all into ObamaCare once that passes. Suckers.
If there is such a thing as a "past life" Daley & his main lady Fran surely had to be "pet rocks in a "past life" Alderthing Lyle still "is" !!!!!!!!!!!!
Will somebody Please give shanks a double dose of Laxative ? He's really soooooo full of Crap !
The FOP sought 24% over 4 years in it's contract demands for the contract which expired June 30, 2007.
http://www.chicagofop.org/Contract/Proposals/2007/fop/2007_Proposal_Summary.pdf
Daley is so full of crap that there's no room for his head in the old poop chute. Tell him to add prunes to his diet so he can start each day with a clear mind.
daley lies constantly,talks like daffy duck,has no clue how to be the police just a pos,but cleaver as a fox! the citizens are suffering now,and he allows the fire dept hiring to continue but stops police! You would think he has police valets,but no fire valets he would take care of cpd! Look at it this way when Cline was head of cpd he went directly to the mayor over the asshole budget directors head to take of us,but j-fed just listens to whatever the budget idiot says and cuts cpd,as he was never the police and does not do well withh daley pulling his strings! CITIZENS WITH DALEYS LOGIC HE IS SAYING FUCK YOU JUST PAY THE KING HIGHER TAXES AND GET FUCKED! THAT IS BRIDGEPORT MENTALITY!
IT'S NOT JUST FRANS FAULT.WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CITIZENS OUT THERE THAT HATE THE POLICE AND ARE AS IGNORANT AS OUR FUCKING MAYOR AND ACTUALLY BELIEVE HIS BULLSHIT.THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE HE'S TALKING TO.
fran spellman = daley stooge
wow. shortshank's logic: "we don't have to worry about retirement, nobody is going to retire. but we just had a huge CFD retirement"..ummmmm ok.
and doesn't he realize if there are retirements you can't just snap your fingers and have replacements out there like that..it takes a half year to train, you moron!! how the hell is this guy the mayor of the 3rd largest city in America???
Mass exodus, eh? I'm going to be out of work in January and I'll tell you..every single job opening for my profession is nowhere near IL. The Chicago area is already experiencing a mass exodus, and it's going to be a problem when my family is living here yet I'm forced to take a job in California or Ohio. I simply cannot believe that this asshole has nearly single-handedly brought one of the greatest cities in this country to its knees. Just wait til that other asshole in the white house does the same with this country.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhall/1874408,CST-NWS-resign10web.article
The No. 2 man at Chicago's 911 emergency center has resigned his $149,832-a-year job to avoid being fired for alleged contract irregularities that cost taxpayers $2.25 million.
'' the man of a thousand lies''
Of course Dick doesn't share Jodi's concerns. Hell, if the department was down to 40 officers Dick would have 30 of them on his securit detail.
Yea but all you believers will still go out there and write movers and parkers, get those important contact cards and do whatever a white shirt tells you.
And when the contract settles and we get stomped pn yet again, all of you will have that dumb founded look on your faces while thinking...I cant believe they did this.
No contract, no increase, no back pay, worse benefits means this P.O. answers calls and thats it. To bad we dont stick together.
Don't kill the messenger, for crying out loud. Fran reports what da mare says.
I pictured Jon Lovitz from SNL when reading that:
"They said it wasn't enough. They want 25 or 30 [yeah, that's the ticket]"
Anonymous said...
Face the facts. In 10 years there will be no pensions.
11/10/2009 01:26:00 AM
Sorry, fear monger. Some people were saying that when I came on the job over 30 yrs ago. It's no truer now than it was then.
Now, if the stuttering prick decides to toss everyone into Social Security, like he's going to toss everyone into ObamaCare health Insurance, thats a whole different subject.
"...We are so short right now it's scary and there are no recruits in the academy and no one even ready to enter the academy. If only the public and media knew the truth. By then it may be too late.
11/10/2009 01:42:00 AM
JUST CURIOUS. IS THERE STILL AN ACADEMY STAFF OVER THERE ON W. JACKSON TEACHING AND TRAINING ALL OF THOSE GHOST RECRUITS?
Anonymous said...
Of course Dick doesn't share Jodi's concerns. Hell, if the department was down to 40 officers Dick would have 30 of them on his securit detail.
11/10/2009 07:22:00 AM
He'd need a lot more than 40 officers. How else would he be able to give all of his clouted friends and associates their exempt spots on the CPD?
I retired after 30 years, I don't have a 2nd job-don't want one either. Now you can move out of the slum and tell the Mayor to kiss your Royal Ass.
I was just wondering, is the fire department understaffed? Did the mayor keep up the hiring of firemen while he let the police department run dangerously low?
No contract, no increase, no back pay, worse benefits means this P.O. answers calls and thats it. To bad we dont stick together.
You will get a contract, a raise, retro, and benefits and will still bitch and do nothing but answer calls, if you aren't dogging those,so stfu you're not fooling anyone...
If im not mistaken a majority of people on here bitched and moaned that the 16% was not enough when first mentioned. Considering how the economy is even worse now that offer doesnt seem that bad anymore.
Tell you what boys and girls. I retired last April. Had some second thoughts about how I was going to make it. But since I don't pay into the pension, deferred comp, union dues, and the like I take home what I did before. Granted I took a hit in the OT department, but you live within your means. I don't want, nor do I need a second job. Besides they're always hiring at McDonalds or WalMart anyway.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhall/1874408,CST-NWS-resign10web.article
The No. 2 man at Chicago's 911 emergency center has resigned his $149,832-a-year job to avoid being fired for alleged contract irregularities that cost taxpayers $2.25 million.
WOW!! Steels 2.5 mil and he gets to walk away with a pension and no inditment
Anonymous said...
HAte to say it but Daley's right. The Geezers will NEVER retire. Their Def Comp is shot and their home aren't worth shit anymore. Why should they retire? They can go to any district they want, work any watch they want, tell the W/C to blow them and still gobble up all the OT.
The rest of us will are left with nothing.
11/10/2009 03:37:00 AM
WOW! Never thought of that. And everyone makes fun of old officers. Sit in a baet car, relax and work overtime. What a life.
Anonymous said...
The other day the Pension Board was pulling up a report of all officers turning 63 next year. I wonder what the final number was.
11/10/2009 12:22:00 AM
I heard that there are 125 or so Dept members that are 62 right now.
Anonymous said...
this man has truely lost his mind. does he believe everyone has a two day memory? why isnt ''our union'' calling him out on these bullshit lies? sometimes silence...speaks volumes.
11/10/2009 12:28:00 AM
Bec the "union" is bought and paid.
According to a simple alpha star search, there are currently 88 62-year-old sworn members. There are 207 sworn members that are 61 or 62 years old. The 88 that turn 63 within a year is already more that they plan on hiring. So within two years, we are losing 207 sworn members, just for turning 63. Tell Daley, the job market has no effect on this. Add the other few hundred that will retire and we are down 500 minimum in two years. I think that is a pretty conservative guess.
If you are between 55 and 59 and currently maxed out, you work for less than five dollars per hour. The savings on the health care amounts to almost a nine percent raise; do the math. Why stay? As of today I only need 24 more voluneers. It aint gonna get any better guys. Press the button, the water will be just fine.
HAte to say it but Daley's right. The Geezers will NEVER retire. Their Def Comp is shot and their home aren't worth shit anymore. Why should they retire? They can go to any district they want, work any watch they want, tell the W/C to blow them and still gobble up all the OT.
The rest of us will are left with nothing.
11/10/2009 03:37:00 AM
TRANSLATION: Waaaa, I’v got three years on the job, waaaaa, I came on this job to drive around and look cool, waaaa, I cant get what I want NOW! Waaaa, Mommy wont make me the sandwich with the crust cut off anymore, Waaaaa, those shiny shirts wont get me laid, waaaaa. Waaaaa, Mommy is kicking me out of her basement so she and my “new daddy” can build a dungeon and mommy can get her “kink” on, waaaa. Why cant I get a summer vacation like I did in school, waaaaa. Waaaaa, LIFE ISINT FAIR TO ME WAAAAAAA.
Grow up, you little puss.
Anonymous said...
HAte to say it but Daley's right. The Geezers will NEVER retire. Their Def Comp is shot and their home aren't worth shit anymore. Why should they retire? They can go to any district they want, work any watch they want, tell the W/C to blow them and still gobble up all the OT.
The rest of us will are left with nothing.
11/10/2009 03:37:00 AM
BOO HOO, if I had to bet I would say you have less than ten years on. Typical, you want it all and you want it now, screw the guys that put in 20+ years, they're in your way. Losers like you is one of the main reasons why we can't stand together as a department...it's all about you.
If I have to eat cat food I'm otta here. No way to run city government or the Police Department. No consideration in this town unless you are a crook! All falls under Daley. No good SOB's
SOMEONE STATED THE NOT SO OBVIOUS.
HOME PRICES HAVE DROPPED ABOUT 50% NOT REAL VALUE BUT Appraised.
OFFICERS PUT IN WHIRL POOLS, HOT TUBS,
SWIMMING POOLS, THEATER SYSTEMS, DECKS, FANCY GARAGES, MARBLE FLOORS,
AND THE BANK DOESN'T CARE. SO INSTEAD OF 500K OFFERS R COMING IN AT 180K.
THESE OFFICER DIDNT INVEST IN ANYTHING BUT THEIR HOMES.
I EXPECT THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE TO RETIRE BUT ALL AT THE SAME TIME INSTEAD OF BATCHED UP THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.
AND THEY BOUGHT VACATION HOMES THAT ARE DOWN IN VALUE TOO.
WHEN THE BRAIN DRAIN HAPPENS EXPECT SOME OF THE GOLD STAR TO RETURN AS CIVILIANS.
NO CONTRACT=NO CONTACTS
DUH
How many Cpt's & Lt's are taking the 55 retirement?
26 to 30 P.O.'s are going to Mass Transit in the near future. Talk is that the spots are not going to be put up for bid but management only. Don't know how they can get away with not putting any of the spots up for bid.
TO: 11/10/2009 12:32:00PM
THAT,MY FRIEND,IS SOME VERY FUNNY AND VERY TRUE SHIT.GOOD ONE.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
I/F
Sorry about my mistake of an earlier post needing only 24 more volunteers. It's 54. The thought of getting MORE MONEY to stay home got me too excited. 55 and out, press the button. You can't stay forever. Leave while you can still pass short-arm inspection.
A STRAITJACKET and THORAZINE for the Stuttering Prick!
he's quoting daley whi is it frans fault ? and what happened to NOT negioting in the public
There are plenty of "City" jobs avaliable. Just watch how the recently fired James Maurer land a new job with the city. Get real Mr. Mayor.
anyone know how old peterson is?
How many Cpt's & Lt's are taking the 55 retirement?
11/10/2009 04:30:00 PM
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Well, I know of four sergeants who'd take it in a heartbeat, but since all four voted no on the contract when Daley tried to strongarm us into signing in exchange for medical coverage, we figure it won't be offered again.
We might have denied ourselves the coverage, but at least we still have our integrity. Oh, well, what's another couple of years?!
HAte to say it but Daley's right. The Geezers will NEVER retire. Their Def Comp is shot and their home aren't worth shit anymore. Why should they retire? They can go to any district they want, work any watch they want, tell the W/C to blow them and still gobble up all the OT.
The rest of us will are left
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You say that like it really bothers you. It's called senority and it's the only thing the non clouted, no phone call, not related to a boss blue shirt has going for him.
I retired 3 years ago - promptly moved out of the city.
No second job - ain't lookin for one, either. Getting a little bored, maybe look for volunteer work at an animal shelter.
But, I'm never bored when I wake up to an 8" snowfall, and I can just roll over and go back to sleep!
"A leader, leads by example not by fear".
Sun Szu
We do not have leaders. All polish and pressing will never clean this City or Department up.
The FBI are correct in their statement that we are the most corrupt State, City, County and Department in the country.
Don't accuse Fran Spielman of being a stooge on this one. She actually was pissing the little prick off with all of her questions. A press aide actually had to step in and save Daley from her. He was at a school on the s/w side announcing how our Arab friends are the new Irish and Italians going to make this city great. She asked him about Ft Hood and he nearly fell down at the podium.
I was detailed as a recruit to the Awards Ceremony back in '82, I listened to the REAL police (Blue shirts everyone) getting awards for arresting armed robbers or saving the life of some citizen, I thought these are the guys I want to be like...then after that at the very same ceremony, on the very same stage,they gave awards to the White shirts--for saving the Department money for instituting this program or that. Been downhill ever since.
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