FOP Wins FTO Lawsuit
Once again, a bad decision by the command structure comes back to bite the city in the ass:
- In September 2008, the Department changed the Training Districts and required all FTOs assigned to other districts to either, transfer to the new Training Districts, or resign their FTO position and give up the D2 pay.
The Lodge filed an Unfair Labor Practice Charge with the Illinois Labor Board. The Board conducted a hearing and today, March 26, 2010, the Administrative Law Judge issued an order requiring the Department to rescind all the changes made in the FTO program.
This means the new Training Districts go back to the old Training Districts. The forced reassignments and resignations are rescinded and the Department must pay those FTOs who resigned back pay with 7% interest on the D2 pay they lost.
The City has 30 days to appeal, and we fully expect they will. We will notify the membership as soon as we hear more.
Back pay, seven percent interest, a return of the D-2 pay, the stripes sewed back on. We imagine there will have to be a return to old units for FTO's that were forced to make an unwanted bid.
The FTO program, what should be the most important part of training up new officers to be the police, has been beaten, battered, bruised, abused and pretty much treated like shit since its inception. Attempts at making it "legit" were (and still are) undercut at every opportunity by exempts who refuse to allow FTO's to fail or retread recruits. Expectations of surrendering working relationships with partners, forced exoduses from watches and the elimination of legitimate training districts turned this entire experiment into a joke.
The FTO program, what should be the most important part of training up new officers to be the police, has been beaten, battered, bruised, abused and pretty much treated like shit since its inception. Attempts at making it "legit" were (and still are) undercut at every opportunity by exempts who refuse to allow FTO's to fail or retread recruits. Expectations of surrendering working relationships with partners, forced exoduses from watches and the elimination of legitimate training districts turned this entire experiment into a joke.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
113 Comments:
Finally, a victory for the working police!
This guy Jody came in here and thought he was the shit. This is just the beginning of the backlash against him. Cozzi's case is next. He will need Rocky Balboa stamina to make it past the future asswhippings he is going to take in the courts. And sadly so do the citizens of Chicago this summer as the zoo goes wild. Weis is an anchor on the neck of the daley administration.
The bosses have forgotten what it is like to to be the police. They counter by saying that we don't know what it is like to manage. Well, we, the rank and file do the policing. We know what is needed and necessary out on the street.
The decision to radically change the FTO program in 2008 seems to have come out of somebody's ass. There was no consultation with the FTO's on the street. There was no willingness on the part of the City or Department to negotiate this isses. They simply make this decision without qualification. That is what an unfair labor practice is.
Good for the FTO program. The program needed a victory and a booster shot because the morons at HQ are not interested in what happens at street level in patrol. They get these "pie-in-the-sky" whims and they enacted them without thinking.
Can't they conisistently promote qualified people who know how to avoid having decisions overturned?
Good job FOP!
It's funny how the FOP picks and chooses what to fight though.
What about all those coppers that were falsely labeled "troubled officers"?
What about residency?
What about the two-tier system of discipline on the CPD and the Police Board that functions solely on CLOUT?
What about the needless death of Sgt Alan Haymaker?
What about the malicious prosecution and jailing of Bill Cozzi?
What about the insolvent Police Pension?
What about the meritorious promotional system?
Somewhat related:
I realized I am an old timer!
I can tell all the new recruits I'm the hammer gun police. No striker firing here, mofo.
Not related:
Who would win in a fight between Seizer and Chuck Norris? It hurts even to think about it.
When will the FOP go after the unfair furlough practices for FTO's?
An FTO has to bid for furloughs with the unit but has to pick his watch with only the other FTO's. They are screwed out of their watch and furlough. It's a lot to give up for an extra $2200 or so, about a dollar per day.
This department does what it wants. See blog 501 where Weis states that promotions are not by vacancies they have to be justified. So hundreds short in the detective division. Thats justified.
...and the FOP wins FTO Lawsuit. Okay. Now what about the lawsuit for the Behaviorial Program guys? Can someone explain why this is avoided by the FOP? Why is the FOP AVOIDING THIS? Why? It is a genuine beef and the guys trying to talk to FOP are not making headway on this at all and all the comments on SCC about this and nothing has been addressed yet. The FOP knows that the letters sent to the officers that FOP said to sign have not been signed because the officers involved said NO. So now what? SCC? any comment here? FOP? any comment here?
They'll appeal it, find a Judge sympathetic to the city( ALREADY BOUGHT OFF) & nothing will change. Daley never loses, that's why the Crook County court system is loaded w/ his former lackeys to maintain the status quo.
SCC,
Can you put another post up on the pension?
I am still seeking answers:
Does anyone know how Chicago's Home Rule status affects us in the context of Illinois State Statute?
Does the State of Ilinois pension law supercede City of Chicago code or collective bargaining agreements?
Who is the ultimate authority on deciding what our pension will be?
What age we can obtain it at?
What occurs if Chicago and the State of Illinois declare bankruptcy?
How does Home Rule playout in all of this?
Are there any labor attorneys on here that can provide some definitive answers?
Both Daley and the governor's have been REFUSING TO PAY INTO THEIR PENSION FUNDS AS REQUIRED BY STATE LAW FOR DECADES!!
And now he thinks he's going to get out of that mandated debt altogether by trying to get the rules changes to let him out of his state mandated obligation of MAKING THOSE PAYMENTS THAT HE HAS REFUSED TO DO FOR OVER 20 YEARS!!
Daley and the governors are the reason those pension systems are underfunded in the first place, and since they've deliberately forced them to become underfunded they now think they're going to get out of their obligation altogether and run out the door without paying the bill!
Pure Daley scumbag politics.
How do you get rid of pensions? REFUSE TO PAY YOUR SHARE AS REQUIRED BY LAW! Then let your nephew scam millions of dollars from the pensions, until he get's caught that is.
Once they've deliberately done as much damage as they can inflict they cry how they don't have the money to pay the funds back as they should have been doing for decades, so they try and scam their way out of that debt by trying to change the laws to get out of it.
And where did all that money go that was supposed to be put into the pensions? It gets rolled back into the general fund so Daley can shovel it away back into his buddie's pockets as he sees fit.
This scumbag Daley is r@ping this city dry of cash, and because people are disgusted with his criminal actions they don't bother to vote.
That's YOUR problem folks! You refuse to vote or to even REGISTER to vote and it only takes a few Daley scumbags on his personal kickback list to get him elected.
FIND ONE SINGLE CANDIDATE TO RUN AGAINST HIM, REGISTER, AND VOTE THIS THAT SINGLE CANDIDATE AND OUR TROUBLES ARE OVER FOLKS!
DUMP DALEY!
Wow! Good for you to all the FTO's who have stuck it out to their guns! Being an FTO is one of the most difficult positions on this job. Mine was an grade A asshole, but I did learn a few things from him.
Congrats to the FOP on a check mark in the win column. That's what they are supposed to do for us.
one of dumbest ideas was changing the training DST to only five. 004, 006, 008, 010, 015, and 024. Many great FTO's gave up their patch because of that. Some PPO's were stuck working with P.O's who have less than two years on the job, especially on midnights, it was the blind leading the blind. Some P.O's did not know how to deal with PPO's and felt they were cramping their style, partners were broken a part, there were tensions in some training DST and many unfortunate events that took place because of this dumb dumb dumb idea. Some FTO's came to the training DST bitter and did not give a shit about showing their PPO a damn thing, they felt they were screwed. The telephone at the FTO section was constantly ringing with PPO's complaining. Non training DSTs suffered because of the lack of new officers coming to them. In summary, this was one of the Dumbest ideas ever!!!
Anonymous said...
...and the FOP wins FTO Lawsuit. Okay. Now what about the lawsuit for the Behaviorial Program guys? Can someone explain why this is avoided by the FOP? Why is the FOP AVOIDING THIS? Why? It is a genuine beef and the guys trying to talk to FOP are not making headway on this at all and all the comments on SCC about this and nothing has been addressed yet. The FOP knows that the letters sent to the officers that FOP said to sign have not been signed because the officers involved said NO. So now what? SCC? any comment here? FOP? any comment here?
3/27/2010 01:26:00 AM
Small point but even SC got this wrong, it wasn't a lawsuit. ("FOP Wins FTO Lawsuit")
It was an Unfair Labor Practice Charge filed with the Illinois Labor Board. No lawsuit, it was heard at a hearing and decided by an Administrative Law Judge.
It may take a lawsuit to enforce.
Anonymous said...
SCC,
Can you put another post up on the pension?
I am still seeking answers:
Does anyone know how Chicago's Home Rule status affects us in the context of Illinois State Statute?
Does the State of Ilinois pension law supercede City of Chicago code or collective bargaining agreements?
Who is the ultimate authority on deciding what our pension will be?
What age we can obtain it at?
What occurs if Chicago and the State of Illinois declare bankruptcy?
How does Home Rule playout in all of this?
Are there any labor attorneys on here that can provide some definitive answers?
3/27/2010 01:36:00 AM
Free advice is usually worth what you pay for it. Consult with a labor lawyer (they like to get paid) and go to the pension board and ask away. What you may find on on a blog carries all the weight of scribbling on a shithouse wall.
Sa what exactly has jody weis done of substance since he got here?
Got Bill Cozzi sent to prison.
Hired his FBI buddy as his Chief of Staff (since replaced by masters)
Fired 21 District Commanders
Dumped Comdr Lopez, rehired Cmdr Lopez
Bought Tahoes
Canceled Tahoes
Changed FTO program
Lost the FTO Labor Practice beef
Conducted meetings that no one attended
Ran OEMC
doesn't run OEMC
Has our backs
Uh, doesn't have our backs
Carbines (none in my district yet, no rifle racks in any cars, brand new carbines remain locked up in radio room)
we still have old computers
we still have old squad cars
we still have old fucking everything
got us 4-2
collects over $300k a year
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reigned over largest cluster fuck in history of CPD
all brought to you courtesy of criminal mastermind richard m. daley
My fto was a jackass! But the ole rule applies, you will always learn from your fto, even if it's what not to do. Thanks for nothing, you douche!
The idea to downsize the training districts did not come out of somebody's ass.
It is/was pure racial politics, nothing more.
Daley has been under pressure from "the community" and play "reverends" for years to strip tax paying, white people of police protection. All the recruits go to the ghetto, alleged imbalnce solved. Their only way out of these shit districts is to go to...drumroll,please....TRU or now MSF! Maurer and Cline showed them how to run this scam. While Sup., Cline showed him how to move the cops without changing district borders, thereby upsetting whitey.
It's always about 50 plus 1 on election day, never forget that.
Even FTO shit.
The City will win on appeal....it's common sense. Remember back in the 90's when the city closed Area 3 D-Unit to have only 5 D-Units, same analogy. The City Police Department has right to manage and change things...
This is a perfect example of the results of J-Feds sweeping out of all the knowledgeable exempts and replacing them with triple merit promotion lackeys.
"Who would win in a fight between Seizer and Chuck Norris? It hurts even to think about it.
3/27/2010 12:40:00 AM"
FTO Seiser every time.
Way to Go. Now hopefully the FTO's can and will be automatically put back in the districts where they were and the watches they were on - without a problem - if that's what they choose to do.
Captains have a big grievence out there, if that one is lost by the city They may never make another decission
Who made the original decision??????
I would like to thank the merit boss that came up with that for wasting my tax money. It's almost a theft of tax funds. Maybe an indictment????? Screw these dumb f'n bosses that make shit up on a whim and then rescend stuff the next day or have it overturned by courts. Get a clue!!!!!!
The FTO program is one of the most important programs in the department and has been abused for many years, long before Weiss came along.
Anyone willing to do this should be given the utmost respect. In other departments the FTOs are treated as supervisors, corporals, and lessor ranks have to listen to them. It should be the same in Chicago. A transparent selection process, fair and above board. The selection board should consist of other FTOs with representation of women and minorities who can view the candidates personnel jacket. The Army promotes this way and they are successful. Take the corrupt brass out of the picture and their bullshit arm twisting.
They essentially did the same thing back in '98/'99 They promised Officers the Sun, Moon & the stars as far as fair treatment (the ability to stay in your district of assignment & watch of assignment based on seniority) the authority to retread or fail under-performing/flat out stupid or dangerous recruits, the possibility of being cycled into the academy as HRI's and a career track to Sergeant and beyond based on your performance as a trainer, coach and mentor.
Monumental and epic fail.
Fucked-up beyond salvaging by District Commanders and other exempts who were pissed because they felt their ability to fuck with watch assignments, furloughs and officers who were FTOs was being curtailed. Subsequently all kinds of devious, underhanded shit was pulled to do an end-around of the spirit and intent of the program.
f(L)op knew... The phones were ringing off the hook at the union hall. Their response was "Sorry office, there's nothing we can do for you." Our response was "Why are we even paying dues do you drunken bust-outs?"
*dial-tone*
That is why...
We pay a retainer for criminal and civil representation.
We pay a retainer for the services of a P.I. firm just in case some boss gets his/her nose out of joint and we need to have someone rifle their trash, follow them & their piece(s) of ass on the side or expose some financial, personal or job related hijinks & shenanigans to be forwarded to the proper investigative entity for appropriate action...
...It's been done and is very highly effective.
But getting back to fop...
This is really nothing to dance in the streets over. We're withholding any accolades until those officers grievously harmed by the behavioral alert fuckery and the small matter of theft from and intentional underfunding of our pension is addressed.
In the meantime...
So what? fop finally got off the pot with tangible results.
Self serving hacks kissing the damp, wrinkled hind-parts of the king of Chicago for their daily allowance of crumbs at the total detriment of the membership. When the devil (king of Chicago) seeks to embrace, do mankind a great good and bite his fuckin' nose off.
Whores leaking from every orifice & dying miserably on their knees have no business calling themselves representatives of free Men who live & stand proudly on their feet.
Enjoy your handful of lucre from the devil-king for selling out the membership...
Whores.
Anonymous said...
When will the FOP go after the unfair furlough practices for FTO's?
An FTO has to bid for furloughs with the unit but has to pick his watch with only the other FTO's. They are screwed out of their watch and furlough. It's a lot to give up for an extra $2200 or so, about a dollar per day.
3/27/2010 12:46:00 AM
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Please turn in your corporal stripes immediately, you idiot. You pick watches separately so that all the FTOs aren't on days (if you picked watches with everyone else). You pick furloughs with the POs because that is what you are: a PO. You may be special, but you ain't that special, Ed.
The bosses have forgotten what it is like to to be the police. They counter by saying that we don't know what it is like to manage. Well, we, the rank and file do the policing. We know what is needed and necessary out on the street.
The overwhelming majority of these bosses that we have now NEVER were the police. And how the fuck do they know who knows how to manage on this job. This isn't a first job for a great many officers. Maybe if they'd pick the most qualified people to manage instead of the ones with the most clout, we wouldn't be in this fucking mess.
OT Drove past 111 western on way home. What was going on. Police cars all over around 1230
It's a lot to give up for an extra $2200 or so, about a dollar per day.
Great decision and I am glad that the FTO's beat the city.
A dollar a day? for 2200 days? That 6 year degree from Eastern is really paying off!
Teacher residency going soon. Are we next?
Great.now if you can only get FTO Bob to put those strips back on, he is one of the best...H.B
...and the FOP wins FTO Lawsuit. Okay. Now what about the lawsuit for the Behaviorial Program guys? Can someone explain why this is avoided by the FOP? Why is the FOP AVOIDING THIS? Why? It is a genuine beef and the guys trying to talk to FOP are not making headway on this at all and all the comments on SCC about this and nothing has been addressed yet. The FOP knows that the letters sent to the officers that FOP said to sign have not been signed because the officers involved said NO. So now what? SCC? any comment here? FOP? any comment here?
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I'm with you 100%. That was a lawsuit that should have been filed on the onset. That took a lot of the working police and basically told them FU. Many in the program did not even have enough cr's to qualify for the program and yet where made to suffer. I will never forget what the union did to us and then told us to sign a bs form.
I don't mind if the CPD reduces ranks by a few thousand , but 1st clean out the gun toting office clerks . Pay us what we deserve and require all two man units on the 1ts and 3rd watches . This can be accomplished by offering overtime.
Overtime by seniority.
This victory proves that the FTO's were treated very badly by the command staff. I rember the fight over 30 minutes each day for FTO's to complete reports. Many captains were very upset and refused to sign the slips. Even when they received orders, captains and LTS refused to cooperate. Remember how quickly FTO's were told to decide while they were in the academy training to be FTO's? The treatment was disgusting and left a bad feeling with every FTO. What has Weiss doen since he has been here for the FTO program? Where is the policy group? In any other police department, the FTO program is treated with respect. In the CPD, the FTO's have no respect. Fianlly, a judge actully agreed with working officers. How can the city appeal this horrble problem? We are watching and waiting, Weiss and Masters!
The FTO program should be the single most important program in the department.
The training officers should get not only more cash, but increased opportunities for promotion and choice of future assignments. Hell, for guys who were particularly good at it I could see making FTO a career track type thing. FTO corporals/sergeants.
I'm not holding my breath for that.
As for Districts where it should exist I'd take the busiest 5 districts and every new cop would have to spend a few years on patrol in those areas.
No cushy assignments in Boystown ferrying the exempts from bar to bar on their monthly pub crawls. Nope, only night shifts in ghetto districts with no possibility of any clout assignments for two years.
An FTO has to bid for furloughs with the unit but has to pick his watch with only the other FTO's. They are screwed out of their watch and furlough. It's a lot to give up for an extra $2200 or so, about a dollar per day.
3/27/2010 12:46:00 AM
Extra $2200 or so= about a dollar per day??? Good math skills! Where did you go to school Harper or Robeson????
The bosses have forgotten what it is like to to be the police.
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The bosses we have today never were the police. From the first day they walked into the academy, they were political hacks groomed only to be at the beck and call of their master alderman.
And so, the destruction of the CPD is complete. We are long past the point of no return. This job will only become more ridiculous, more mismanaged, and more corrupted by the political class.
After 2015, only former gangbangers will be hired as police. They will have no pension. They will have only federal benefits. They will be paid in cash.
...and the FOP wins FTO Lawsuit. Okay. Now what about the lawsuit for the Behaviorial Program guys? Can someone explain why this is avoided by the FOP? Why is the FOP AVOIDING THIS? Why? It is a genuine beef and the guys trying to talk to FOP are not making headway on this at all and all the comments on SCC about this and nothing has been addressed yet. The FOP knows that the letters sent to the officers that FOP said to sign have not been signed because the officers involved said NO. So now what? SCC? any comment here? FOP? any comment here?
3/27/2010 01:26:00 AM
YOU SIR, ARE DEAD NUTS ON THIS. THE FOP JUST PICKS THE ONE " YOU KNOW WHO " TELLS THEM TO. THE POLITICS AND THE LAWSUIT WOULD BE " MILLIONS " TO ALL 600 PLUS GUYS EFFECTED. THE CITY CAN'T AFFORD THIS KIND OF SETTLEMENT FOR THE GUYS. OH NO...THAT WOULD BE TOO MUCH FOR JUST PLAIN REGULAR COPS. IT IS ALWAYS THE GUYS THAT WORK HARD AND ARE LOYAL TO THE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE THE FIRST ONES TO GET FORGOTTEN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WHEN " SOME BS " HAPPENS. JUST SIGN ME.....WOUNDED SOUL.
You can count on 1hand the amount of QUALIFIED F.T.O.'s. The kids with 3-5 yrs on have got to learn to pay attention,because the only training a lot of them received was to stay down on jobs. You shouldn't hit "The Wall" until 8-10 yrs minimum, I have heard 25 yr olds saying they are burned out after 3-4 yrs. That is disgusting and typical of "Generation Y(Why)",if you are one of these people you'd better start looking for something else to do or start blowing a boss!
one of dumbest ideas was changing the training DST to only five. 004, 006, 008, 010, 015, and 024.
ONE OF THE DUMBEST POSTERS EVER!
004 - 1
006 - 2
008 - 3
010 - 4
015 - 5
024 - 6
THAT'S 6, Count von Count. Not enough Sesame Street for you, I guess.
Speaking of retreading is Penny back?
Who the fuck is getting 7% these days ?
Give the FTO's D2A pay and put them back on par with detectives.The department would get the best applicants and keep good P.O's in the districts mentoring the next generation. Field training is just as important as academy training.
One of the problems with this program is the FACT that some (not all) FTO'S are only FTO'S because their softballs that no one wants to work with. That issue needs to be addressed.
Anonymous said...
It's a lot to give up for an extra $2200 or so, about a dollar per day.
3/27/2010 12:46:00 AM
Per hour, sir, per hour. We work 2080 hours per year, not 2080 days.
"Some PPO's were stuck working with P.O's who have less than two years on the job, especially on midnights, it was the blind leading the blind."
THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR THE LAST 15 YEARS!! WHEN IT COMES TO OFFICER SAFETY & TRAINING THIS DEPT.IS A GODDAMN JOKE!!
O.T.
REMEMBER THIS?
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/Chicago-Cops-to-Get-Early-Retirement.html?__source=Facebook
Let's keep this on the front burner SCC, please start a thread.
Let's get the media to pick up on it again. Where is the PAX 501 that J-FED put out last year or the year before where he ensured to hire/promote a fixed number of people.
Has any of it happened? I think we all know the answer to that question.
The Governor threatens to layoff 29% (almost a third) of the Illinois State Police force and it makes national news. Daley is not publicly saying that he's laying off CPD (because he knows that's a no no during election time) - he's just not simply filling the vacancies!
Wake up everyone! This is a form of layoff. They come up with these early retirement schemes/buy outs where the City actually benefits from it because they save money (i.e. no longer have to pay into pensions) and then they actually have a plan not to hire for (X) amount of years. It's a form of layoff! It just isn't as blatant as coming out an saying we're going to get rid of 29% of the force. If you really sit down and crunch the numbers the public would see that the CPD has lost way more than 29% of it's authorized strength (regular retirees, early retiree health option, Iod's, medical, deaths and the hundreds of Officers we were already short from the last few years of not hiring - or as the media calls it a "hiring slowdown".
A great many of the FTOs are officers who themselves cannot command the respect of an experienced officer who would be forced to partner with them. Thus many take the FTO position as an "out" recognizing that they themselves are an imncompetent patrolman. Then again I have seen several FTOs who are very committed to the position and wish to help recruits. These officers can do the job as well as any. If the FTO job is to be made legit, then the FTO has to have the ability to honestly evaluate the recruit, and retread them without interference. Too many rtecruits pass through without meaningful arrest and court experience. Many recruits never find their voice on the streets.
It's funny how the FOP picks and chooses what to fight though.
What about all those coppers that were falsely labeled "troubled officers"?
What about residency?
What about the two-tier system of discipline on the CPD and the Police Board that functions solely on CLOUT?
What about the needless death of Sgt Alan Haymaker?
What about the malicious prosecution and jailing of Bill Cozzi?
What about the insolvent Police Pension?
What about the meritorious promotional system?
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Right. Just like the City Council fights Foie Gras, "busy work: issues, rather than wortk to meaningfully improve the quality of life in this city.
Great job by the FOP. We need the FOP and the FOP needs us more than ever.
This current administration finds our contract to difficult to read therefore feel they can walk over our contractual rights.
It just amazes me that alderman and citizens in Chicago don't get mad when incompetent officals make costly mistakes but when a cop uses the "F" word they march on city hall.
Please explain.
Does anyone know the braintrust behind this debacle??
They are also going to lose the operation safe city greivance because doogie only wanted 9161's in the patrol division to get it.
Give it up doogie, the next superintendent and the super after that super is not going to be a white male. Jodie screwed that pooch for you big time.
wE NEED TO GET 7% INTEREST ON OUR RETRO MONIES.
One thing we can't seem to teach young officers, however, is work ethic, common sense, pride, self-satisfaction, but they are masters of talking on the cell phone.
Hey scc how about a pat on the back for FOP ?
Off topic: Does anyone know for sure how many chances the city allows someone to take the power test before you're ineligible for hire?
OT, but a hilarious article worth reading:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/city-of-chicago-to-modernize-outdated-graft-progra,17140/
OFF TOPIC-brother took power test today,academy class starts 16apr10,50 ppo's,just 650 more and we will be full strength,,,
F U pay me
This was a lawsuit that Mark Dontahue was given permission by the fifth floor to follow through on. Everything else he'll be a good little Mayor Daley ring kisser.
Happy but does that mean that A. Bay in 025 will try and teach other's how to handle their jobs again(retail thefts).
With all the dues that we pay the Sgt's association you think that they would send out a newsletter or at least put it on our website.
The last one I got was in July of 2009! How about updating it and keeping us abreast of what's going on please!!!
"It's a lot to give up for an extra $2200 or so, about a dollar per day."
Arn't we lucky this guy is not negotiating our contract. A dollar a day for six years, maybe a dollar an hour for a year. Does SCC have an obligation to edit this kind of idiocy? Or is that why you have the other moron:
"SCC,
Can you put another post up on the pension?
I am still seeking answers:"
Let's get this pool of solons together to solve the department's problems. SCC, will you introduce them so we can be spared some of the idiocy?
OT Drove past 111 western on way home. What was going on. Police cars all over around 1230
New spot for gang parties in a corner store- SE corner
..."the Department must pay those FTOs who resigned back pay with 7% interest on the D2 pay they lost."...
Do you think Shortshanks ad Donnie-who would have stalled our cotract if there was a 7% interest on back pay. They will dangle that "retro-check" in front of us like a pork chop to a pack of hungry dogs.
The FTO program should be one of the most important parts of the training process. The other should be the academy. I look at the academy staff and see nothing but part time trainers. Talk about clout and politics. You have staff who are on light duty working in an environment where scenarios are done. Put the light duty people in call back and see how long they stay on light duty! Why do we have people teaching recruits with less than 5 yrs on the job (most of it inside). What could they possibly teach a recruit? Oh, how to play politics and use race, life style as a way to get a spot..Now, staff the academy with clout bosses who are only interested in their own promotions. With that said, you wonder why the recruits are trained the way they are. The FTO's should have a part in the training and should be treated as important part of the dept. No one should be allowed to be inside unless they have at least 5 yrs on the street (not on the Job). I am confused how a person could have 10 yrs on the job and only spent 2 yrs working the street, (1 yr probation) and they can impart knowledge to a recruit. Oh, I forgot they have an education from........(not the street). All this said and you really are surprised at what happens when recruits get to FTO's and beyond.
OT Post.
In the Detective Area in which I work, several large (20 x 30) framed maps of the Area and The CCG have appeared fastened to the walls in the Admin Office, Conference Room and the Detective Floor.
From experience I can tell you that the frame jobs on the maps are probably around $100 bucks, and tac another 25% on for the clouted contract holder.
In addition, even larger unframed posters of Chicagos Most Wanted have also appeared on the walls in the Area.
The city says we're broke. No money for new detectives, overtime has been eliminated and we have a contract in arbitration.
I'm not aware of anyone in the Area not knowing the Area boundries, and / or what districts we service.
They serve no practical purpose. Since they are secured to the walls, its not like they can be used in some sort of emergency situation
I don't think anyone in the Area is going to go look for the Most Wanted shown on the posters.
Another great idea brought to you by a clueless, not the real police insider.
Has anyone else seen these in their Districts / Units?
I would really like to know how much this stuff cost to produce, not to mention the time involved by the City Workers to install them.
The fto program is more of a joke then ever. A ppo does not get qualified they then get sent to a fast district for remedial Then bam their clout kicks in and mysteriously the order disappers. The ppo then makes fake beefs based on lies. Supervisors who have never involved themselves in the training are all of a sudden concerned about why a ppo "was unfairly judged". Clout is more important then job knowledge and safety. To all the coppers who have kids on the job or coming on stop telling ur outdated war stories and encouraging them to do stupid things like getting vanity plates on their cars or claim all they do is dope. Soon enough ur golden child will be known as useless and will have to go to the inside spots you made phone calls for. Because why? Nobody will want to work these morons.
Anonymous said...
Give the FTO's D2A pay and put them back on par with detectives.The department would get the best applicants and keep good P.O's in the districts mentoring the next generation. Field training is just as important as academy training.
3/27/2010 12:46:00 PM
Academy training is wasted unless there are competent FTO's to complete the process. A working FTO is a valuable asset to this department but the command staff is apathetic.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Great.now if you can only get FTO Bob to put those strips back on, he is one of the best...H.B
3/27/2010 10:59:00 AM
...just ask him
OFF TOPIC ~ Did anyone notice how the "Screaming Skull" Peterson took care of his girlfriends on the transfer order?!
"Who would win in a fight between Seizer and Chuck Norris? It hurts even to think about it.
3/27/2010 12:40:00 AM"
FTO Seiser every time.
3/27/2010 08:56:00 AM
Chuck Norris kills people. Seizer kills populations of countries.
who cares this department is beyond repair. this department is going down the tubes thanks to jfed and his bunch of clowns runnning this department. they will find a way to mess up a wet dream. im sick of all the crap cant wait to retire.
OT Drove past 111 western on way home. What was going on. Police cars all over around 1230
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trouble at glow putt. dice game and a fight.
the politcal hammer fell on 025 again. unreal. sometimes the dept. likes to show who's really in charge. more changes likely to come.
I'm with you 100%. That was a lawsuit that should have been filed on the onset. That took a lot of the working police and basically told them FU. Many in the program did not even have enough cr's to qualify for the program and yet where made to suffer. I will never forget what the union did to us and then told us to sign a bs form.
-- Makes you wonder what the arbitrator would've ruled for the Behavioral alert guys who were truly wronged, (denied to work as an acting FTO, day off group changed, reputation damaged, emotional stress, mental anguish, continued denial of anything outside district patrol etc.). I'm curious to know if summary arbitration was done in this case. I'm sure it was and this is why the City decided to drop the grievance because it was an absolute loser which probably required damages to be paid by the city. If you are unfamiliar with the grievance process, that is usually how it works before a case goes to full arbitration. A separate arbitrator reviews the case file in a summary opinion without any witness testimony and renders what her decision would be if it would go to full arbitration. The City or FOP (with acceptance from the grievants) could choose to accept the summary opinion or move forward to the next step of full arbitration. The more I hear about this case the more it sounds like this was the logical conclusion, but without OK given by the grievants. That is obviously why the FOP sent out the letters to be signed. If this is the case it seems to me that those members would have a good case against both the City and the FOP. I think the FOP needs to be peppered with calls from those members and demand to know if there was in fact a summary opinion rendered, before the City elected to withdraw the grievance and admit wrongdoing.
Anonymous said...
Give the FTO's D2A pay and put them back on par with detectives.The department would get the best applicants and keep good P.O's in the districts mentoring the next generation. Field training is just as important as academy training.
3/27/2010 12:46:00 PM
The D2A pay was supposed to happen when they last revamped the FTO program. Then jody came and the FTO program became a cluster fuck. I wouldn't want it now. One of the most important jobs on the police department, training the new people, and they screwed the pooch royally.
This place is fucked.
Take it easy with the D2A pay for FTOs...
Hysterical satire on Chicago corruption in THE ONION www.The Onion.com
"City of Chicago TO Modernize Outdated Graft Programs"
The WEISel is so bought by the Stuttering Prick, there should be a $310K bar code on the forehead of the treacherous whore.
How come a certain captain in 023 on the 3rd watch has his girlfriend assigned to the training academy even though she is an FTO? Is there a beef on this? Shouldnt she be in a district if she is making that FTO pay? Just wondering.
I'm a "wheel gunner" and I recall in early '90s, they "made " me an FTO, and I was required to put in a slip, IF I wanted FTO pay....some days I forgot, and my SGT. put it in for me to sign....all filled out properly and reminded me that I was doing them a favor!! and that I should be compensated for such!!WOW, to have the "old days" back!!...By the way the SGT. is now a LT...and is worth his weight in krugerands!
No one should be allowed to be inside unless they have at least 5 yrs on the street (not on the Job). I am confused how a person could have 10 yrs on the job and only spent 2 yrs working the street.
Are you talking about 025 DST?
Off Topic:
You have to see this:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/city-of-chicago-to-modernize-outdated-graft-progra,17140/
Now in Area 2 and the 005th District, maybe we could win the grievence to keep our 10 hour days. Screw the 4 and 2. We must fight to keep our schedule if they try and take it away.
To the poster---Off topic: Does anyone know for sure how many chances the city allows someone to take the power test before you're ineligible for hire?
Not "for sure," but I know the following to have happened:
When the City used to actually hire police officers, a failure of the first power test resulted in a well-qualified candidate I knew getting a letter about six months later inviting him back to the academy to try again. There was very little notice and the invite came unexpectedly. He failed a second time and the process repeated itself. He never made it, but did take it 3 times. Hope this helps...but I don't know if there is an "official" policy. And of course, it could all have been a story he made up, though very unlikely he did so.
one of dumbest ideas was changing the training DST to only five. 004, 006, 008, 010, 015, and 024.
ONE OF THE DUMBEST POSTERS EVER!
004 - 1
006 - 2
008 - 3
010 - 4
015 - 5
024 - 6
THAT'S 6, Count von Count. Not enough Sesame Street for you, I guess.
3/27/2010 12:30:00 PM
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Guess that his FTO didn't teach him how to count.
OFF TOPIC ~ Did anyone notice how the "Screaming Skull" Peterson took care of his girlfriends on the transfer order?!
3/27/2010 07:37:00 PM
Took care of his girlfiends - a frightening thought.
All I know is that Charlie Burger was the best FTO. Bring him back to train the others. I miss you Charlie
OT Drove past 111 western on way home. What was going on. Police cars all over around 1230
I work in005 and it sounds like tact in 022 was on top of things. Good Job Thank you I live in 022
DA MAYO has got to realize THE PEOPLE run this city he just manages it until 2011!!!!!!
A recruits real training starts after they are done with their Fto. If they see pro active coppers using common sense, who do the job, back each other up, dont step on their dick every day, they will excel. But if they are exposed to the usual crybaby who is always worried about what everybody else is doing, and is always complaining about the job, they are doomed. Like a good parent, you should lead by example. Our integrity is being tested like no other time. Look in the mirror first, then go to work.
OT,,,maybe the FOP can do something for us in 8 to keep our 6 and 3..we won't change without a fight!
While I was an FTO a Northside District, I was happy to lead new recruits. We really never asked for much, we were happy with the 1/2 hour overtime, and the little extra cash that we made. I never EXPECTED to be on the same rank as a Detective or an Evidence Technician. However, when they told us to change Districts, most of us resigned. We were beyond PISSED, and chose to stay in the District that we liked. I had worked in other Districts, but went to this one due to the distance from my house. I trained 13 Police Officers, and I am glad to say that to this date not one of them has been FIRED, ARRESTED OR KILLED!!!
One thing we can't seem to teach young officers, however, is work ethic, common sense, pride, self-satisfaction, but they are masters of talking on the cell phone.
3/27/2010 03:09:00 PM
slow down there --- there are plenty of coppers w/ over 15 yrs on the job who are on their cells all day
Anonymous said...
OFF TOPIC ~ Did anyone notice how the "Screaming Skull" Peterson took care of his girlfriends on the transfer order?!
3/27/2010 07:37:00 PM
Took care of his girlfiends - a frightening thought.
3/28/2010 12:41:00 AM
And working days on top of all that NICE! A direct line to the boss will the SGT of mayhem on days be removed after her antics are reported? Bye sgt guess you can quit talking about retirement you can leave now ma'am!
Great.now if you can only get FTO Bob to put those strips back on, he is one of the best...H.B
Blue-Light B.O.B.? Over rated and very disgruntal...just ask him!
Wait! SO you mean I wont be at the bottom of the pool anymore if training district status are reversed?? Great...I'll get that summer furlough, now.........in 20yrs.
No one should be allowed to be inside unless they have at least 5 yrs on the street (not on the Job). I am confused how a person could have 10 yrs on the job and only spent 2 yrs working the street.
Are you talking about 025 DST?
3/27/2010 10:46:00 PM
025, 124, HQ, Where does it end??
-- Makes you wonder what the arbitrator would've ruled for the Behavioral alert guys who were truly wronged, (denied to work as an acting FTO, day off group changed, reputation damaged, emotional stress, mental anguish, continued denial of anything outside district patrol etc.). I'm curious to know if summary arbitration was done in this case. I'm sure it was and this is why the City decided to drop the grievance because it was an absolute loser which probably required damages to be paid by the city. If you are unfamiliar with the grievance process, that is usually how it works before a case goes to full arbitration. A separate arbitrator reviews the case file in a summary opinion without any witness testimony and renders what her decision would be if it would go to full arbitration. The City or FOP (with acceptance from the grievants) could choose to accept the summary opinion or move forward to the next step of full arbitration. The more I hear about this case the more it sounds like this was the logical conclusion, but without OK given by the grievants. That is obviously why the FOP sent out the letters to be signed. If this is the case it seems to me that those members would have a good case against both the City and the FOP. I think the FOP needs to be peppered with calls from those members and demand to know if there was in fact a summary opinion rendered, before the City elected to withdraw the grievance and admit wrongdoing.
3/27/2010 08:36:00 PM _________________________________ We are getting in touch with the guys and will tell them to start calling FOP. Guys, don't lay down on this and if you know someone affected by this wrongful PROGRAM, tell them to start calling. It could be you in the future needing some help. And on the bright side, once these guys get the BIG SETTLEMENT CHECKS, think how much free beer will be given out for you! Just make sure you don't drive though.
FTO's win for once. Try training 1 out 3 ppo"s generation Y or should i say gen A.D.D. Its great those F.T.O's will be restored.
The Dept. has never been serious about its FTO program. Changing the Districts, keeping some of the biggest bums on the job as FTOs, while Cmdrs and W/C's tried to keep recruits from the worst of the worst who wore the FTO Patches...and the money isn't that good either. This Dept. couldn't care less about who the new kids ride with, as long as they're seated next to a live, breathing body next to them in a squad for the next year until their probation ends.
-- Makes you wonder what the arbitrator would've ruled for the Behavioral alert guys who were truly wronged, (denied to work as an acting FTO, day off group changed, reputation damaged, emotional stress, mental anguish, continued denial of anything outside district patrol etc.). I'm curious to know if summary arbitration was done in this case. I'm sure it was and this is why the City decided to drop the grievance because it was an absolute loser which probably required damages to be paid by the city. If you are unfamiliar with the grievance process, that is usually how it works before a case goes to full arbitration. A separate arbitrator reviews the case file in a summary opinion without any witness testimony and renders what her decision would be if it would go to full arbitration. The City or FOP (with acceptance from the grievants) could choose to accept the summary opinion or move forward to the next step of full arbitration. The more I hear about this case the more it sounds like this was the logical conclusion, but without OK given by the grievants. That is obviously why the FOP sent out the letters to be signed. If this is the case it seems to me that those members would have a good case against both the City and the FOP. I think the FOP needs to be peppered with calls from those members and demand to know if there was in fact a summary opinion rendered, before the City elected to withdraw the grievance and admit wrongdoing.
3/27/2010 08:36:00 PM
the only way to get action is get the reverands, and the media together and have a sourpuss look on your face with all 600 officers gathered in prayer. now give me some of dat fillet-of-fish,give me some of dat fillet-of-fish.
Anonymous said...
One thing we can't seem to teach young officers, however, is work ethic, common sense, pride, self-satisfaction, but they are masters of talking on the cell phone.
3/27/2010 03:09:00 PM
slow down there --- there are plenty of coppers w/ over 15 yrs on the job who are on their cells all day
3/28/2010 10:29:00 AM
With cell minutes as cheap as they are it makes economic sense to talk on the phone a lot when you are also being paid. It is not cost effective to talk when not at work.
This is life in daley city. Only here where we struggle for years to find a comfortable niche in this dysfunctional system does this make sense.
Lord Shortshanks of Chicago must be castrated. Send him to the gallows.
Here's a previous comment left by someone a couple weeks ago. It deserves a second look.
I believe the correct number is 662 and believe me, we tried, unfortunately thus far it seems like the City has all the lawyers in their pocket because no one seems to want to touch the case. I made calls, had consultations when I was first placed in the "program" and could not find anyone who would represent us. I've since lost passion to look any further, the same passion that I used to have in doing my job before this Dept. robbed me of it. It's sad though because on the surface it looks like a good case and at the very least an ad tool for some young firm looking for some free publicity. More importantly if it wasn't a case worth looking at why would the FOP send the affected members Settlement Agreement packets out and told them they must sign it. If you don't believe me have a look for yourself. This is our union boys, paid with our money, who sold a good portion of us down the river. Read the agreement and the letter from Personnel basically admitting guilt.
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Does anyone know the braintrust behind this debacle??
They are also going to lose the operation safe city greivance because doogie only wanted 9161's in the patrol division to get it.
Give it up doogie, the next superintendent and the super after that super is not going to be a white male. Jodie screwed that pooch for you big time.
3/27/2010 02:58:00 PM
this change with the FTO program came when cuello was in charge of patrol. remember when people brought this up at the town hall meetings, she said "your patch says chicago police"
2 years on the job and I can honstly say this - the majority of the FTO officers here in the city are complete idiots. Lazy, out of touch, jokes of the districts. It says a lot when non-FTOs approach you in your first cycle and tell you to watch out. The FTO program is completely broken. It should be destroyed completely - and then rebuilt from scratch. If you don't believe me - go to 015 and speak with one of the F/1s on 3rd watch who was stripped of her FTO status. She's a real gem. After meeting her and finding out what she's about, if you don't think the FTO program is completely screwed, you're a bigger idiot than her.
I still remember when the Seiser and I were kicked out of FTO taining, due to missing too many days. WE WERE IN COURT!
Anonymous said...
One thing we can't seem to teach young officers, however, is work ethic, common sense, pride, self-satisfaction, but they are masters of talking on the cell phone.
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I'm sure you were cream of the crop in your days. Go ahead and tell us how of an outstanding police officer you where in your prime.
OT...
Whose the D thats parking in the 3700 block of N Kenmore all day?
Was driving by today and noticed the car was getting looked over by a revenue van in the Permit Area.
Revenue driver actually asked me if there was an Event ongoing on the block.
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