Chicago Homicide?
Who counts it? Illinois State Police are investigating:
A fight that started in a downtown Chicago nightclub led to a fatal shooting on the Stevenson Expressway early this morning, State Police say.
We assume this is counted in our totals as it happened within the city limits of Chicago?
Labels: crime
posted by SCC at 1:03 AM
61 Comments:
no..its states jurisdiction and and technically doesnt count as city of chicago property.. i know this is gonna sound stupid but if a city of chicago snow plow or city of chicago utility doesnt serve it then its not chicago... even though its a road its not in chicago and not part of chicago..therefore the state police tally it themselves
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
Was the shooter and the decedent both within the corporate limits of the City of Chicago when the shots were fired? The location where the argument began is irrelevant.
Here's another one I can't answer. At Madison St., it's proven that the shooter fires from EAST of Austin Blvd. (Chicago-015) and his bullets kill the vic standing across the street in Oak Park. Which jurisdiction gets the homicide?
In another scenario, if investigation clearly indicates the actual murder occurred in jurisdiction "A' and the body was then transported and dumped in jurisdiction "Z", who should get the homicide stat: "A" or "Z"?
The State eats that one, happened on the Stevenson....
anyone know which high priced thug club this started at?
Barring verified information that the fatal injuries occurred elsewhere, the homicide stat goes to the jurisdiction/district in which the body is found.
A suicide followed by a traffic accident, obviously.
Stickney, Forest View or unincorporated Cook County. Homicide on Interstate handled by Ill. State Police.
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
5/05/2010 02:41:00 AM
LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES
Stevenson/Central would be Forest View
Re: fired gun on Madison
The city would have a UUW on Madison.
Oak Park would have a homicide because that is where the guy died.
For the express way, the ISP will conduct the investigation. BUT the crime is still in Chicago when they list the address of the homicide.
Just like if someone breaks into your house and takes your gun. Then goes elsewhere and shoots someone. Two separate crimes. Or robs you of your credit card and then uses it a store. Just because you have the guy with the credit card or gun doesn't mean he was the one who did the robbery or burglary.
That being said, in financial crimes its usually where the offender is at because it's a lot easier to arrest him and have some paperwork faxed over and conduct a phone interview than it is to ship the offender to the victim, across the state or country for example.
anyone know which high priced thug club this started at?
SPYBAR
"OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
5/05/2010 02:41:00 AM"
Excellent. When the houses don't sell you'll have section 8 rentals in yo 'hood.
Spybar, 646 N. Franklin, one of the worst spots on the Franklin/Ontario corner.
When will they close: Spybar, Soundbar, Ybar and Crescendo?
anyone know which high priced thug club this started at?
5/05/2010 08:50:00 AM
spybar
Dont believe for a second the residency for firefighters will be lifted. Daley always said you work for the city, you live in the city Allowing the firemen to live outside the city would open up the doors for us
Plus the firemens contratc is a way off and hasnt started the arbitration so why would you ever list your house and sell it before you were sure you got the benefit of living out of the city, not too smart
Anonymous said...
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
BULLSHIT
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
I was told the same thing I guess we will be the last and have to wait at least another 5 years.
Retired now, but when I was a Dick (80's and 90's) it is where the body drops that gets the murder. So if the shot comes from Chicago but hits someone in Oak Park, Oak Park gets the murder.
If it can be shown that someone is murdered in the 006th District but then the body gets dumped in Calumet Park, Chicago gets the homicide. Has this changed?????
Anonymous said...
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
5/05/2010 02:41:00 AM
Doubt it, most firemen don't live in the city anyway just use a city address! Worst kept secret, but they do buy homes and section 8 them to ruin the neighborhoods!
Was the shooter and the decedent both within the corporate limits of the City of Chicago when the shots were fired? The location where the argument began is irrelevant.
Here's another one I can't answer. At Madison St., it's proven that the shooter fires from EAST of Austin Blvd. (Chicago-015) and his bullets kill the vic standing across the street in Oak Park. Which jurisdiction gets the homicide?
In another scenario, if investigation clearly indicates the actual murder occurred in jurisdiction "A' and the body was then transported and dumped in jurisdiction "Z", who should get the homicide stat: "A" or "Z"?
1) Oak Park
2) Z
Actually on I 55 @ Central is not Chicago anymore. It ends halfway between Laramie I believe.
sgt az he should've been a lt can answer that for ya
Anonymous said...
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
5/05/2010 02:41:00 AM
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I am a member of the CFD and an steward for local 2 and that is B.S. The city and our union has not talked since the city invoked arbitration months ago. They may have thier house up for sale, but they better hope they find another place WITHIN the city limits to live.
OT but funny. Chiquitia Russell has an accident and leaves the scene. Unfortunately she leaves the baby child in the car. Comes back 2 hours later and gets arrested. Quote from someone in the house "A man who answered the telephone at the woman's home said the incident was, " a misunderstanding, she didn't leave the baby."
So the poleece must have put the baby on her?
Where victim's car pulled over is in unincorporated Stickney township.
There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract.
Was told the same thing by a friend. He says when they get the contract he is moving out.
CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract
My husband is a fireman and hears the same but we are still stuck here until its lifted for us.
Anonymous said...
no..its states jurisdiction and and technically doesnt count as city of chicago property.. i know this is gonna sound stupid but if a city of chicago snow plow or city of chicago utility doesnt serve it then its not chicago... even though its a road its not in chicago and not part of chicago..therefore the state police tally it themselves
5/05/2010 01:59:00 AM
Hey goof it's Chicago, CFD serviced it! Hahaha!!!!
Put it on the board!!!!!
Anonymous said...
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
5/05/2010 02:41:00 AM
good cause we hoots "me 2" with them, To bad it's the unconstitutional state law that keeps us here & the flop won't sue! (right to safety and happiness)
Was the shooter and the decedent both within the corporate limits of the City of Chicago when the shots were fired? The location where the argument began is irrelevant.
Here's another one I can't answer. At Madison St., it's proven that the shooter fires from EAST of Austin Blvd. (Chicago-015) and his bullets kill the vic standing across the street in Oak Park. Which jurisdiction gets the homicide?
In another scenario, if investigation clearly indicates the actual murder occurred in jurisdiction "A' and the body was then transported and dumped in jurisdiction "Z", who should get the homicide stat: "A" or "Z"?
Where the body drops is the simple rule. Its thiers if it drops in thier municipality.
We had a jumper on the Halsted bridge... and became human road kill in Hubbards Cave...
"Squad, dup this one to State"...
OFF TOPIC:
Ever since the arbitrator's decision was announced the FOP web site was down.
What hack does the web page?
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
5/05/2010 02:41:00 AM
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I'm calling MAJOR B.S. on this one!
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
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All B.S. Unfortunately for me, CFD has nothing in the works concerning residency.
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract.
Ooh, Ooh, Ooh, can I be the "1st one" to call B.S. on this 'rumor?'
physically I 55 and Central is in Forest View Illinois
anyone know which high priced thug club this started at?
5/05/2010 08:50:00 AM
on the news it looked like spybar.
It is actually Forest View where the shooting happened.Sorry
Doubt it, most firemen don't live in the city anyway just use a city address! Worst kept secret, but they do buy homes and section 8 them to ruin the neighborhoods!
5/05/2010 11:47:00 AM
Absolutely! my little frame shack in Mount Greenwood does not come close to my lake front estate on Lake Marie. Get smart CPD.
Spoke with FOP about the residency and was told that they would file a contract grievance if this were to happen. So don't worry we may get it also
Back in the early 90s we had one where the guy was killed in 017 but dumped in Will County. I remember it being Will County's job, their detectives....their problem.
Anonymous said...
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
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I heard from the same person every cop is getting their own take home personal squad car to make up for the fact we will still live in Chicago.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..........
I think I pissed my pants laughing so hard.
enough cfd rent to section 8 as it is anyway
Hey 4 year wonders. It's an ISP case. It is their number. It's their jurisdiction. Doesn't matter if it's the city or not. But I'm just an old timer that doesn't know shit.
The Crime Lab was ordered to handle the job. Somebody must think it's ours.
Anonymous said...
OT but funny. Chiquitia Russell has an accident and leaves the scene. Unfortunately she leaves the baby child in the car. Comes back 2 hours later and gets arrested. Quote from someone in the house "A man who answered the telephone at the woman's home said the incident was, " a misunderstanding, she didn't leave the baby."
So the poleece must have put the baby on her?
5/05/2010 12:03:00 PM
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Damn Poleeecess and their "drop babies"
spybar ghetto night on Tuesdays?
I55 at Central is not even Chicago. It's Stickney.
The only thing that the fire department is getting is a reduction in manning. Da mayor is hot after manning and will get what he wants. 600 jobs will be lost... This is not a joke.
About 2/3 years ago we get a garbage can floating in the river with a homicide victim inside.Investigation led us to the victims house in Stickney,where it was discovered that the house was where the murder took place.
Much to their dismay,Stickney got the case,even though they fought it tooth and nail.
Crime lab turned over all of the photos and evidence that they recovered including the garbage can
to them.Needless to say they wer'nt very happy campers.
Its obviously not Chicago's Murder . . . . (read)
The third passenger wasn't hurt and is co-operating with investigators, police said.
Note: "Co-Operating" that doesn't happen in the City, hence. . . it's not our case. Enjoy your furlo Kinks!
OT-- For about the third or fourth Wednesday night in a row, a major 1 AM disturbance in 025 at "Belvedere's Grand Terrace," 6010 W. Grand. At least a dozen police units, Grand Avenue solid blue lights from Austin to McVicker with CFD Engine 125 (The Working Man's Engine, God bless them) blocking traffic (kinda like a linebacker.)
Pimped rides gettin' towed out of the middle of the mess, all sorts of M/2 wandering away clutching at their genitalia...
As I said, my money's on a shooting here before summer's out -- maybe before summer even begins. This is the worst I have ever seen it; real wild-ass shitbox this year.
Close it down.
6010 Grand-- I meant "all varieties of M/1 clutching their genitalia as they sidled away from the scene, cell phones glowing."
"Meet me at the mall -- it's goin' down.
"Meet me at the club -- it's goin' down."
See if we can get Chuck Goudie over here next week for comic relief...
Hey goof it's Chicago, CFD serviced it! Hahaha!!!!
Put it on the board!!!!!
sorry goof but i55 and central is not even in chicago its in forest view.. chicago stops at lockwood then cuts over west at 51st street to harlem... therefore it would be forestview or isp at best which would make your theory...quite lame! cpd may have been called to assist with crime lab or fire but investigation and numbers do not go to chicago.. plus why do you want the homicide??? dont you take pride in keeping homicides and crime down??? I sure do.. after all, thats my job you dog ass.
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
5/05/2010 02:41:00 AM
good cause we hoots "me 2" with them, To bad it's the unconstitutional state law that keeps us here & the flop won't sue! (right to safety and happiness)
5/05/2010 12:47:00 PM
FOP has fought this before though not since you came on most likely, we lost, then city had state law changed. FOP has introduced bills to get this lifted, it only effects cities over 1 million in population in Illinois. Chicago is the only one it covers.
daley's suckhole legislators kill it every time. Do some research, a lawsuit won't do anything, it is written into labor law.
Thanks the current mayor and remember that a great many police are not even registered to vote and 70% of registered voters do not even bother to vote in mayoral elections.
Want to help? Get your fellow officers registered to vote and make sure they come out to vote come election day.
The blog is great but they don't count blog comments on election day, they count votes.
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
Not happening, but if this fairy tale were to come true, we would get it too thanks to the me too clause we have....
In another scenario, if investigation clearly indicates the actual murder occurred in jurisdiction "A' and the body was then transported and dumped in jurisdiction "Z", who should get the homicide stat: "A" or "Z"?
Location A....
Here's another one I can't answer. At Madison St., it's proven that the shooter fires from EAST of Austin Blvd. (Chicago-015) and his bullets kill the vic standing across the street in Oak Park. Which jurisdiction gets the homicide?
Oak Park eats it, it's where the body lies that determines who gets it and investigates it..
Retired now, but when I was a Dick (80's and 90's) it is where the body drops that gets the murder. So if the shot comes from Chicago but hits someone in Oak Park, Oak Park gets the murder.
If it can be shown that someone is murdered in the 006th District but then the body gets dumped in Calumet Park, Chicago gets the homicide. Has this changed?????
No it hasn't changed. It's always been where the crime occurred.
OT: There is a very good chance that CFD is getting residency lifted in their new contract. To bad we could not get that done. Two of my neighbors who are firefighters put their homes on the market today, with more to come.
5/05/2010 02:41:00 AM
LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES
5/05/2010 09:32:00 AM
That is a state law that is controlled by the corrupt democratic mopes in Springfield, Crook County and our very own Shit-cago. It ain't gonna happen, not in my lifetime. They know there WILL BE the great WHITE FLIGHT and our middle-class black brothers will high tail out, too. The city will be up for grabs, property values will go waaaaaay down and that means taxes (revenue) will go down. Like I said, it ain't gonna happen. We city workers are the last thread to this once great city.
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