Killing Crime...Again?
Has anyone heard that they're doing away with the "hotel/motel" rule? We got an e-mail or two recently:
No wonder the FBI refuses to use Chicago crime statistics in any of their publications.
- in an email sent to [...] supervisors in the Forensic Service Section, only one case report number will be obtained in the event that multiple burglaries take place in one building. Ex: 3 condos in one building are broken into - in the past, of course, that would be 3 different locations (3 diff unit #s). Now, it will be one RD# with all victims listed on one report. And the killing of crime commences!
No wonder the FBI refuses to use Chicago crime statistics in any of their publications.
Labels: crime, department issues
posted by SCC at 1:03 AM
58 Comments:
But, wait! How can that be? We have an FBI guy in charge!
Who's responsible for this? Who's the "brains" behind this idea? Who gave the order? It's gotta be on paper somewhere...
How does telling the supervisors in the forensic services section this do anything. Patrol does the reports and the RD# is pulled before the ET is even ordered. Unless patrol and the dicks are on board, this means nothing. Or does the person who sent this email out not know this?
no suprise, they did the same thing with aggravated batteries--- you get shot at but not hit means you get a report for an aggravated assault--- the city is employing the same smoke and mirrors tactic, they want people to feel safe when , in actuality, they are in harms way more now than ever before because of dwindling manpower and statistics that are erroneus....
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thanks scc
Why do I smell smoke and who put all these mirrors here?
"Ex: 3 condos in one building are broken into - in the past, of course, that would be 3 different locations (3 diff unit #s)."
Not only that, since there are no burglaries on **** beat, the victims will be hornswoggled into signing some nonsense about "theft from building;" like they're real idiots who keep their furs and coin collections out in the hallway...
They been "killing crime" a LONG time with that one.
"We can't do much about the homicide rate, but we can cut down on burglaries!"
Said Tricky Dick and J-Fled, over a cup of tea. Then they laughed and laughed!
"No wonder the FBI refuses to use Chicago crime statistics in any of their publications."
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Is that right?
so that means that if they are selling dope and have guns in all the condos that Aunt Bea owns we only get 1 RD # ?
Ya, but won't killing crime bring up the homicide,er...death investigation rate?
Let's make sure we give everybody reports for everything.
You "say" your garage got broken into? No problem, I'll give u a report.
Your neighbor threatened to kick your ass, oh and he was holding a rake? Let me generate a report for aggravated assault, sir.
The pan handler is already gone from your gas station property? Well, let me just give you a report for criminal trespass. It'll just take a few minutes.
You just want baby daddy to leave? You got it, but I think you should let me give u a report also.
Etc., etc., etc.
Fuck u, JFled. Dickhead.
If this is true, it is not killing crime. We are moving from the summary based crime reporting system to the new incident based reporting system.
The AIRA reports and CHRIS enable us to obtain one RD# but associate numerous victims at One Address to a burglary.
The time and location rule still stands so that you are not supposed to report multiple burglaries at different addresses on one report.
Each victim will be associated with the appropriate UCR code which in effect will be counted as a burglary each.
That is what those association tabs are for.
LOL oh I get it now Mr mayor the city "buys" shit tahos that are in the shop every other day and of course your "feeb" takes all the shit pool car for Der Reichs Secret squirrel Squad which put 011s working POs on foot to be closer to the citizens...we should bring back the AM radio dispatches too. so The we can code jobs out to and from work.
Nothing new.
Liars figure - Figures lie.
You who live south check out the "Beverly Review" (police blotter)
Every issue they report:
damage to property and thefts that should read burglary and thefts from persons that are robberies.
Crime killing, (bean counting), smoke and mirrors,and flat out lies is the MO of the Daley administration, JFLED, and it's the Chicago way in the current administration.
I have a better idea, I will use one RD number for all case reports on my beat on a given day. One case and multiple supps. No problem. hell, I'll use one RD number per period if it will help cut crime, I'm all about that stuff. You know, I have to earn my crime reduction ribbon. You just watch crime go down on my beat, way down. No overtime either. Beale will be happy.
I see we are playing with the numbers again.... ugh
Hey, why not combine multiple HOMICIDES? I mean, if it's all on one block, why not? lol. we are doomed.
All that fancy-shmanzy federal UCR stuff doesn't apply to Chicago.
And how many educated morons did it take to come up with this? Ah yes the yuppy Im educated way of progress....put a bandaid on it.
Well, IT IS NOT TE SUPERVISOR FROM FORENSIC SERVICES CALL!!!!! The Uniform Crime Reporting Manual controls this Plain & Simple!!!!! This is a federal regulation and some incompetent supervisor from the forensic unit should know this, It should be correctedoncethe reportsgetto the detective division.
Being an E.T. myself,When this was told to us @ roll call,I simply stated that I would explain to the victim of this total idiotic idea and have them demand an R.D. for themselves for insurance purposes etc,if not given the service they deserve,well then,a C.R.# to the Dist Comm,W/C, Field Lt,and up the line to J.Fled will work.Whoever thought of this idewa is a COMPLETE MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!
All a Scam, as usual, with Democrat Politicians
"Patrol does the reports and the RD# is pulled before the ET is even ordered."
The problem was ETs would only process one crime scene per RD#. The dept. wants them to process all three scenes (hotel/motel) for one RD#. Thats how ETs got involved. More to police work then RD#s
I call bullshit, if each unit is owned by a separate person, then there are separate reports needed, each crime is a separate incident in the same building, separate reports needed for accurate crime reporting, and for insurance purposes. Do the victims insurance companies know about this scam? What about when you are a victim, and get the same police report as everyone else in the building, then strangers know all about what you had in your place and what was taken...
Isn't that a privacy issue?
5/04/2010 01:53:00 AM --
Forensic services was being told this as a "heads up" as it would affect the reports generated by ETs.
Off the topic: Page 1 of the Sun-Times has a connected Bridgeport city employee in trouble for having a light installed in his alley to shine on his INGROUND POOL. Caught for the pool but the city didnt make him tear it out. Also look at the picture in the times. The concrete in the alley loooks like Ceasars Palace in Vegas! What the Fuck when is this shit going to end? Big deal he gets caught and nothing happens to him. Daley is definitely MOBBED up!
OT - but do the Dept of Revenue City Whores now wear stars that look eerily similar to CPD's? The past couple of POS's I've seen walking around (of course in the tax paying neighborhoods) have stars that look just like ours. I'd like to get a closer look, but what I really fear is it might actually be ODPO's working a side job. Please tell me that's not the case. Have you no pride? 2%
If this is true, it's just another testament to the shortage of detectives.
"Ex: 3 condos in one building are broken into - in the past, of course, that would be 3 different locations (3 diff unit #s)."
Why don't we just count all houses on the same block, or same beat for that matter.
Three guys found dead in south loop apartment: death investigation with three victims = one crime.
Spirit of chicago sinks with 360 aboard - all presumed drowned - no bodies or wreckage yet recovered: Lost and found case report with 360 victims = one incident. WTF!
6 bucket boys killed when a truck jumps the curb crushing them to death = priceless / 18-David
O.T. When does the city council vote on our contract??????
From now on no Part 1 crime will be reported using numerical digits, as in "1" or "429" or "12"
All Part 1 crime will be reported using descriptive phrases, adjectives or adverbs in combination.
So, the quantity of one (1) homicide will be replaced by "hardly any."
More than 1 will be replaced by "not too many" or "just a couple or so" or "a lot less than in 1974"
Under NO circumstances will any sworn member use any of the following phrases or anything like them to indicate the number or amount of Part 1 crime: "quite a few" "more than last year" "a whole lot" "do you remember the holocaust?" or "holy fucking jesus, that was a lot!"
This is in no way meant to mislead the news media or any member of the public, rather, it will serve to reassure them that the Chicago Police Department is competent, capable and is doing a bang up job.
The same rule applies to giving numbers of sworn officers on the payroll to anyone. Use instead the phrase "We have all we need and the bad guys are going to be sorry, by God!"
-JW
You've hit the proverbial nail on the head again, SCC.
Separate residences, separate RD#s. This new policy is all a bunch of bullshit. Can't blame the FBI for holding their noses and walking past SHITcago's cloudy crime stats!!!
Special K was on the scene of 3 dead of an Over dose downtown. I'll put money on it he had them pull the RD numbers. Or he called his so called go to guys to do it.
If this is true, it is not killing crime. We are moving from the summary based crime reporting system to the new incident based reporting system.
The AIRA reports and CHRIS enable us to obtain one RD# but associate numerous victims at One Address to a burglary.
The time and location rule still stands so that you are not supposed to report multiple burglaries at different addresses on one report.
Each victim will be associated with the appropriate UCR code which in effect will be counted as a burglary each.
That is what those association tabs are for.
5/04/2010 06:52:00 AM
yeah... that RD will only be counted once. Homicides are the only time victims are counted. 3 burglaries have just became 1.
That is how you reduced crime!
Blame all manning issues on the fire department.. Heard today that our numbers aren't going to grow till they replace retirements. they are processing 300+ for hire. Well that's if da mayor doesn't get his manning reduction he's fighting for
Three guys found dead in south loop apartment: death investigation with three victims = one crime.
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Three guys found dead in south loop apartment = drug overdoses = no crime.
No one is counting homicides as Death investigations. Do some Homicides start out on GOCR as a Death Investigation? YES!
Then it's reclassified as soon as the Cause of death is determined to a Homicide.
Every six months this idiot comes on here and posts the same BULLSHIT.
Unless you can provide a few examples, with the R/D numbers or you can provide a case report that the ME ruled a Homicide and some one in the Dept. changed the report or covered it up, shut the hell up.
Go back in your MaMas basment and watch 48 hours.
I'd be the citizen to "demand" my own RD#. This could be a headache for insurance companies as well. What are they thinking?
Not surprising. A couple of years ago I handled a shooting on the border of 006 and 022. The evidence, investigation, victim and witnesses showed it happened on the 022 side. About a week later I was called by a 022 supervisor who "asked" me to change the address to the 006 side so 022 would not be stuck with the Agg Batt. When I advised him that I would not falsify a Official Police report and if he pursued the matter further I would do a Supp report in CHRIS regarding our conversation he hung up and I never heard a word about it again.
OT:
Went to the academy today for training. A couple of thoughts.
Why does the front lawn look like $hit? The grass is knee high and full of weeds. Do we not hire people to cut the lawn anymore?
As I was struggling for parking I noticed that the Administrative Manager has their own marked parking spot. WTF? What next, the shoe shine guy?
"The Uniform Crime Reporting Manual controls this Plain & Simple!!!!! This is a federal regulation..."
"All that fancy-shmanzy federal UCR stuff doesn't apply to Chicago."
We make our own laws here, son. The feds are afraid of us.
I came on in the mid 60's, it was going on then, and continues to go on now. Why is everyone so suprised ???
In Shitcago, the stats are doctored to show whatever the shortshanks crime family wants them to show.
daley's official Bio has him weighing 170lbs & 6' tall, see what I mean ????
daley learned the "art of bullshitting the voters" from daley Sr. Both are/were assholes of the highest caliber.
"IT IS NOT TE SUPERVISOR FROM FORENSIC SERVICES CALL..."
It's coming from higher up than the street level supervisor.
It'll be interesting to see who's name is on this one!
The problem was ETs would only process one crime scene per RD#. The dept. wants them to process all three scenes (hotel/motel) for one RD#. Thats how ETs got involved. More to police work then RD#s
5/04/2010 10:48:00 AM
There's more to police work than lazy ET's and PFI's. The city wastes more money on these overpaid filing clerks than anywhere else. ET's refused to process a scene....please. Here's the solution to that. "Pick that shit up and inventory it, that's an order."
5/04/2010 11:50:00 PM
I have an answer to your so called order, NO.
"There's more to police work than lazy ET's and PFI's."
Uhhh, this has got nothing to do with ET's and PFI's, this thread is about THE ADMINISTRATION LYING TO THE PUBLIC by killing crime.
Now get out there and write some ANOV's, patrolman!
If anyone is forced to do this type of "crime killing" case reports kindly forward copies of those case reports in question to:
Pam Zekman
CBS Chicago
22 W. Washington
Chicago, IL, 60602
For the newer people, Pam Zekman exposed this exact bullshit years ago. I imagine she would be interested again. The powers that be at 35th St might not remember but I do.
From the CBS2 web site:
"Zekman's historic exposes of the Police Department's fraudulent crime statistics, the Fire Department's inadequate ambulance service and the CTA's unsafe trains, have led to significant changes in city services."
A few very public news reports and this shit will stop in a hurry. Again.
Perhaps, it's time to re-work Susan Anton's & Fred Knoblock's "Killing Time" (1980) into "Killing Crime". :|
Seriously and generally speaking, do non-law enforcement people really believe the statistics? I don't. :|
Anonymous said...
OT:
Went to the academy today for training. A couple of thoughts.
Why does the front lawn look like $hit? The grass is knee high and full of weeds. Do we not hire people to cut the lawn anymore?
As I was struggling for parking I noticed that the Administrative Manager has their own marked parking spot. WTF? What next, the shoe shine guy?
5/04/2010 10:32:00 PM
I agree with you the lawn did look bad. The academy on the outside was always maintained in the past. Hard to understand. By the way, what is an administrative manager? Another middle management spot for a clout heavy person? The academy has plenty of secretaries, light duty officers and now additional management? WTF!
From the FBI Website:
In the Summary reporting system, the “Hierarchy Rule” governs multiple offense reporting. If more than one crime was committed by the same person or group of persons and the time and space intervals separating the crimes were insignificant, then the crime highest in the hierarchy is the only offense reported. Agencies do not use the Hierarchy Rule in the NIBRS [National Incident Based Reporting System]. If more than one crime was committed by the same person or group of persons and the time and space intervals were insignificant, all of the crimes are reported as offenses within the same incident.
Just for the record, the changing of shooting at someone being Agg Assault instead of Agg. Battery in reporting was an authorized change as well, not a unilateral one. Sometimes you guys see too much conspiracy. NIBRS actually reports MORE crime not less.
so that means that if they are selling dope and have guns in all the condos that Aunt Bea owns we only get 1 RD # ?
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What's going on with case?
I remember working for the Late John Thomas, when he was a Sgt. He actually bragged about, when he was a Detective in Area 4, he and his partner were the targets of a Federal law suit against the Chicago Police Department for killing crime. He was very creative. May have been one of the first to use the, "you ain't got nothin here kid", blow off?
Anonymous said...
I remember working for the Late John Thomas, when he was a Sgt. He actually bragged about, when he was a Detective in Area 4, he and his partner were the targets of a Federal law suit against the Chicago Police Department for killing crime. He was very creative. May have been one of the first to use the, "you ain't got nothin here kid", blow off?
5/05/2010 08:51:00 AM
When I was very new I heard that from a few detectives only to find my offender in the custody of those detectives and their names on the arrest report. It was a simpler time then.
Anonymous said...
so that means that if they are selling dope and have guns in all the condos that Aunt Bea owns we only get 1 RD # ?
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What's going on with case?
5/05/2010 08:34:00 AM
HEY!MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG !
hello, media reporters..anyone investigating?..
off topic... hey scc im not the blog owner but I see he posts on your blog but I think its a good neighborhood blog... its called mount greenwood protection. if your from greenwood or beverly its a pretty good one also to check out..the link is below
http://mtgreenwoodprotection.blogspot.com/
thanks scc
5/04/2010 02:25:00 AM
Checked it out. It's a great idea. Can keep residents informed and make Ginger look bad all at the same time.
---not a cop
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