Thursday, May 06, 2010

Columnist Making Sense

Are the blinders coming off the media? Probably not, but sometimes the light sneaks in:
  • New York City has thousands of police surveillance cameras, which really come in handy when a terrorist strikes. After the car bomb attempt last weekend, the cameras captured an image of the vehicle driving through Times Square and one of a man taking off his shirt who looked nothing like the guy arrested Monday.

    Which raises the question: What good are cameras? The debate over them is often framed as hardheaded law enforcement types versus wimpy civil libertarians. Whether the cameras actually work in practice to help solve and prevent crime generally gets ignored.

  • It shouldn't. Leave aside those airy privacy concerns for the moment. Installing, maintaining and monitoring thousands of these devices, as in New York and Chicago, costs millions of dollars. Absent cameras, that money could be spent on beat cops, patrol cars, forensic equipment, jail cells, you name it.

    The point of any law enforcement tool is not just to do some good but also to do some good at a reasonable cost compared with the alternatives. It's by no means clear that surveillance cameras even come close to meeting that standard.

Hint to the media - the cameras don't come close - it isn't even a question. Cameras enrich connected companies via contracts. It provides the illusion of police coverage without the attendant costs. That isn't much of a comfort when you're the one on the receiving end of a beating, mugging or shooting, but you can rest assured that somewhere, somehow, your assailant will be captured on video at some point miles away. A video that will never be seen and will probably be recorded over in 48 hours' time, because there isn't anyone watching the cameras.

Our readers have been pointing this out for years now. The media is merely playing catch-up. Again.

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32 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cameras are useless, the only good ones are private ones. The ones we have are terrible and can't even see a license plate clearly.
Hire 2000 police idiot politicians!
Stop wasting tax payer money on crap projects that are given to your friends!
VOTE OUT ALL INCUMBENTS 2011!!!

5/06/2010 12:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Love ya, SCC...

Even the best cop doesn't know what's passing by two minutes before some slackjaw tried to blow up a car with BS ingredients.

Cameras, in key locations should help. But they aren't the answer for, say, Belmont/Broadway.

5/06/2010 04:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only fucking cameras that work well are the sons-o'-bitches that caught my 6 by 12 inch license plate in crystal clear view from 300 feet away. But that's so daley can get his money.

The city that pays!!!

5/06/2010 06:24:00 AM  
Anonymous Cecil B. DeMille said...

I'm guessing that at anytime 1/4 to 1/3 of all pod cameras are not working. Add to that that the cameras are barely watched in real time, and when they are watched they don't capture any real time crimes.

If they are so useful in shitcago why is it that the video of crimes being committed is not paraded out to the media?
I see video of crimes from all over the world on the news but never shitcago.

5/06/2010 07:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Surveillance cameras do nothing to deter or prevent crimes, they only, if working - record after the crime has been committed.

5/06/2010 07:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the media should check out the quality of arrests claimed by the CPD brass - drinkers, pissers, pot smokers - shit like quality of life while the murder of an off-duty cop and his female friend still goes unsolved because the cameras didn't back up the arrests enough.

5/06/2010 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Detectives making drug arrest, Goes to show you the Media has NO CLUE.

Do they know what police do?

5/06/2010 09:44:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Surveillance camera worked When Jans son the Sgt took the drunk female to a(rear location behind WGN) there he commented a criminal sexual abuse while in uniform on duty. What ever happened to that case.

19th dist Sgt is he still in 19- .

Good to be him- Yet Cozzi is in jail?

5/06/2010 09:52:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What we all keep forgeting is the the city never spends money on good equipment.Did we forget The BADGER laptops we first got in early 90 s that as soon as we got them the company went out of business.I think they were second hand from the military.Or the fingerprint scanner that was suppose to clear a prisoner in 15 min.We can go on and on but it will always come down to a connected company who always wins with the low bid and makes a profit by either giving us shit equipment or has cost overruns.That s why our pod s are crap yet a private co. like the RED LIGHT can send u a clear pic of ur lic # from 150 ft away.

5/06/2010 09:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The cameras we use only confirm that the incident happened. No help in identifying anyone or license plates or anything important. Very poor quality. I've been a dick since before the first camera was even thought of and I've yet to come across a single incident of a crime solved or a bad guy identified because of one of our cameras. If you remember, the fenger incident from the fall was someones hand held camera... it was somewhat usefull

5/06/2010 09:53:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At the Laundromat, Laura who declined to give her last name, told me she would like to see Illinois National Guard soldiers on the streets of her community.

---------------------------
National Guard won't solve the crime in Chicago. As long as there are dirty corrupt politicians who doesn't do anything but steal money from the TAXPAYERS, Chicago will go down as the WORST city in the nation being run by 50 ALDERTHIEVES!!!

I feel sorry for you (the REAL TAXPAYERS) because you're on your own now. As for myself, I'm lock and load arm with assault rifle and a couple of thousands of ammo always ready to protect my self, my property and my FAMILY...

5/06/2010 09:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had an old woman victim that was followed home from the bank and robbed in her gangway. The pod camera picked her up crossing the street. Then it switched views. The woman walks with a walker slower than molasses. By the time the pod picked up that view again she was gone. The thing is she walked straight down Ashland two blocks.

5/06/2010 10:35:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cameras are only useful in keeping record of the mayhem. You'll get awesome footage of the carnage. Check out YouTube, especially the "red light" cameras.

5/06/2010 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

what about parking tickets
camera watchers would call in parking and drinking complaints

where's all the $$$$$$$$$ from our phone bills going for 911

it's clout city alot of do nothings work there
only real workers are the dispatchers and call takers
you have more bosses there than streets and san

5/06/2010 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Look here. We have a video of you committing this crime."

"That's not me."

"What do you mean that's not you? It looks exactly like you."

"It looks like me, but it's not me."

Now where are you? Looks like your case needs a witness to tell you that this criminal is in fact the very same criminal who was on the video.

Now what would happen if you had the video, but no witness?

What would happen if you had the witness, but no video?

Which case is better?

What does video really prove?

5/06/2010 11:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

all smoke and mirrors...to appease the sheep

5/06/2010 11:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've seen the surviellance video and stills from our cameras.. They look like they were made with a Cub Scout's merit badge Shoebox camera in 1956.

5/06/2010 11:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The more things change..............the more things stay the same.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al2b-QJjISI&feature=related

5/06/2010 01:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pervasive cameras help the public used to being observed. When technology improves and the government really can observe everyone all the time no one will mind because they will be used to the older, relatively harmless cameras.

5/06/2010 07:39:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's nice to see a mainstream columnist address the camera issue. Interestingly enough, I wrote about the same thing back in February at Arresting Tales (a ChicagoNow blog, also owned by the Tribune) Crime, cameras, public transit and security theater

5/07/2010 02:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

Surveillance camera worked When Jans son the Sgt took the drunk female to a(rear location behind WGN) there he commented a criminal sexual abuse while in uniform on duty. What ever happened to that case.

19th dist Sgt is he still in 19- .

Good to be him- Yet Cozzi is in jail?

5/06/2010 09:52:00 AM


Just shows that you should pick your parents carefully. Jan P. for a mother and Cozzi would be at work now. The Sgt-son-sex fiend isn't working in 019, he's somewhere else.

5/07/2010 07:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I've seen the surviellance video and stills from our cameras.. They look like they were made with a Cub Scout's merit badge Shoebox camera in 1956.

5/06/2010 11:29:00 AM


Hey, those clot companies have to sell their shit camera equipment to someone. The public wouldn't buy that crap.

5/07/2010 07:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

What we all keep forgeting is the the city never spends money on good equipment.Did we forget The BADGER laptops we first got in early 90 s that as soon as we got them the company went out of business.I think they were second hand from the military.Or the fingerprint scanner that was suppose to clear a prisoner in 15 min.We can go on and on but it will always come down to a connected company who always wins with the low bid and makes a profit by either giving us shit equipment or has cost overruns.That s why our pod s are crap yet a private co. like the RED LIGHT can send u a clear pic of ur lic # from 150 ft away.

5/06/2010 09:53:00 AM

How about all the shit computer equipment sold to the city by Sayers Computer Source? They sold the city the first ten-printer type stuff that was junked very quickly.

Sayers is a minority-owned business, owned, supposedly, by Gale Sayers, former Chicago Bear.

(Sayers) "is a minority-owned independent information technology services firm offering objectivity and highly personalized service."

http://www.sayers.com/

5/07/2010 07:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cameras solve anything. In the loop, the thugs just started committing the robberies in alleys, under cta platforms, and in the pedways..places the city doesn't have cameras. But don't even think about running a red light!

5/07/2010 08:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Detectives making drug arrest, Goes to show you the Media has NO CLUE.

Do they know what police do?

5/06/2010 09:44:00 AM

Do you have a clue? Tact guys have been referred to as "Detectives" by the mutts on the street for at least the past 25 years-

5/07/2010 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OT but just wanted to post this somewhere. Today 07may10 FOX news was in 007 dist.setting up a tent and cameras in the parking lot (1000hrs) While at the desk I heard desk personal ask what was going on. The camerman stated they were doing a story about crime in Englewood and in Chicago. I began talking to said camerman and crew and stated here is a story "crime is rising very rapidly around the whole city" I then stated could you please do us a favor and report that crime is up because we are down police (over 2000 not the b.s. 300 numbers they give) and the Mayor will not hire more police. I asked him to report why we are down so many, why no hiring and what the mayor does with the budgeted money for 13500 officers. I then stated you will not investigate or report this, Lets see maybe they will. Also, off to the side I said to the crew (while they left their equipment unattended) wouldn't it be newsworthy if you were doing a story about crime and somebody steals your video equipment? Maybe for the sake of the the citizens and the police you guys can report the real problems and the real numbers.

5/07/2010 01:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will the guard be used to take the mayor into custody? He does have some tough body guards.

5/07/2010 04:40:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about all the shit computer equipment sold to the city by Sayers Computer Source? They sold the city the first ten-printer type stuff that was junked very quickly.

00000000000000000000000000
Remember the robot that failed to walk the staircase at the press conference?

5/07/2010 04:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Where were the cameras when those poor gals were pummelled by that a-hole with the baseball bat???

As far as 25-33% of the pod cameras not working goes, ironically, the red light cameras seem to be working 100% of the time!

Can you imagine the Crook County ASA prosecuting a case where one of these cameras is the sole "witness"?

"That's not me," said the offender.

"Felony charges denied," said the ASA.

5/07/2010 11:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Now what would happen if you had the video, but no witness?

What would happen if you had the witness, but no video?

Which case is better?"

That's easy; this is Crook County.

Felony charges denied!

5/07/2010 11:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"all smoke and mirrors...to appease the sheep"

Well it's working!

We need to educate them before it's too late!

Nevermind. It IS too late.

Buy your ammo now, while it's still available.

5/08/2010 12:04:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Britain did a study of the effectiveness of their cameras in crime prevention I think it basically showed that they are a waste of money. Britian spent like 70 million dollars on public cameras. they found out the money should of been spent on more boots on the ground.

5/10/2010 10:32:00 AM  

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