Thursday, May 13, 2010

Get Off My Lawn

  • A former Marine who neighbors say obsessed over his University Park lawn is being held on $3 million bail, accused of gunning down a neighbor whose puppy urinated on the man's well-manicured grass.

    Charles J. Clements, 69, had won the south suburb's beautification and lawn upkeep award but also was known for threatening people who dared to set foot in his yard, neighbors said.

In his defense, it is a nice lawn:

But still, it's just grass.



Anonymous West Side, Inside Do-Nothing said...

I can't wait to be that type of crotchety old man...sitting on my porch, half-lit and half-Alzheimer'd-out, threatening kids who dare to run through, bike over or play on my award-winning Kentucky Blue.

And when the police arrive after I beat up a few 12 year olds, I'll just mumble incoherent nonsense as I piss myself.

It'll be just like "Gran Torino", only my adversaries won't be Mexican gang bangers, because I'll be residing in Arizona or any other non-sanctuary city.

5/13/2010 01:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Semper Fi Brother!!

5/13/2010 01:08:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hope he beats it. Here's a Guy that probably has the nicest house in the neighborhood and just snapped because of the slobs and bangers in his once nice neighborhood.

5/13/2010 01:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

......yea it's just grass, but you can also's just piss.

5/13/2010 01:17:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My grass looks like crap, I call it the benign neglect method of lawn care.

My neighbor asked me why it looks so bad I told him I couldn't figure it out. Maybe it had something to do with the all the bodies I buried back there.

5/13/2010 02:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SEMPER FI!!!!! Dead Dawg

5/13/2010 02:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

looks like dude brought a mouth to a gun fight and lost---

5/13/2010 02:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Word is, the guy walking the dog told the property owner "Next time you pull a gun out, you better be prepared to use it" Sounds like someone had seen too many tough guy movies.

5/13/2010 03:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the old guy is off his rocker or there is more to this story. News had commentary from citizens who watched the event and one witness stated the old guy was pushed prior to the shooting. If I'm 69 years old and a young buck wants to turn an argument into a physical altercation I'd probably go Dirty Harry on his butt also. I also walk my dog on the parkway and keep him off private property cause I think it's offensive to leave any poo on my neighbors lawn even if I bag most of it.

5/13/2010 04:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Never tell an armed man, much less a former Marine, use his gun. The dead guy got what he asked for. Keep your tree huggin ass off my lawn and take your toy dog with you.

5/13/2010 06:13:00 AM  
Anonymous John Q. Public said...

True, it is just grass but it's HIS grass. You never walked on the grass in the Marine Corps. If you got caught cutting across the lawn on base there were dire consequences. I'm not sure death was one of them.

5/13/2010 06:21:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! What a nice looking lawn!

5/13/2010 07:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you see the pics of the guy that got himself killed? or that he allegedly told the homeowner something to the tune of "if you pull it use it" (referring to his weapon). His mother (of course)says on the news everyone knows this homeowner has the prettiest grass in the neighborhood ..I have had middle aged women (probably neighbors) tell me to go fuck myself just for asking them not to have thier dog piss on my grass, as Im standing on my porch. In this case, Mr. Thuglife ran his mouth to the wrong guy, piss on him it appears..

5/13/2010 08:00:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Semper Fi

5/13/2010 08:06:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did the old man went way over board protecting his yard? Yes, and maybe he should've fenced up his yard so didn't have to deal with this non-sense bullshit. Or maybe there's another side of this story and hopefuly we'll find out soon because I really hate this Military Veteran, who happened to be proud of what he ACCOMPLISHED AND ENJOYING HIS RETIREMENT, end up in prison... Hang in there, Leatherneck..

5/13/2010 08:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A neighbor let her mutt dog pooped in my alley and didn't pick up after her dog. So, I grabbed a plastic bag, picked up her dog's poop and immediately threw the DOG SHIT in her house' front door. I never had the same problem after that day.

5/13/2010 08:25:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is the puppy going to be all right Uncle Lar?

5/13/2010 08:39:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Mr. Semper Fi: I know a good lawn service that can take care of things while you're in prison for the rest of your life.

I knew crotchety, lawn loving, anal retentive, old grumps when I was a kid. My ball might land on their lawn and it would ruin thier day."Get a life"
Clint Eastwoods character in "Gran Torino" was a much more sypathetic character in my book. I loved that movie.

5/13/2010 08:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if thats all the guy had in his life was his home and worked be it..p.o.s. pushed him to the limits....i'm tired of hearing how all these victims(pieces of shit) most of them are called victims by the media....nobody knows what that thug has put the 69 y.o. through....f**k the dead guy.

5/13/2010 09:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Marine, Nice shot!

5/13/2010 09:19:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE TOXIC PENGUIN SAID....the dead guy has no more grass root support from the community!!!!!

5/13/2010 09:27:00 AM  
Anonymous WEST SIDE SARGE! said...

SEMPER FI! My brother, damm anyone or animal who walks on your lawn after all the hard work you put into it. Really, it's tough work to make your lawn look great. Also the blame should be on the JAGGOFF who walked his dog on this man's lawn. Even my eight year old knows not to walk the dog on other people's lawn. This man was passionate about his lawn and it showed. Maybe if the dead JAGGOFF had an ounce of passion in his life he wouldn't be pushing up daisies right now. These kids nowadays have no respect for anything!

5/13/2010 09:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is NOT about the grass! It is about caring and protecting what is ours. When someone treads on what I work for; then "it's on!"

5/13/2010 09:43:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said... Marine Corps grass at 29Palms was nicely stacked and arraigned rocks and carefully raked sand.

5/13/2010 09:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

/13/2010 02:19:00 AM

Anonymous said...
Word is, the guy walking the dog told the property owner "Next time you pull a gun out, you better be prepared to use it" Sounds like someone had seen too many tough guy movies.

5/13/2010 03:07:00 AM
This young piece of social dirt challenged the marine. He even provoked this good peace loving citizen into doing something he did not intend to do. All this marine wanted was to maintain his property and live in peace unlike alot of natives of Englewood.

5/13/2010 09:50:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I hope they cremate the thug because I will pour dog piss on the grass covering his grave. I wonder if his family will object.

5/13/2010 09:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

two movie lines...from grand torino and terminator salvations. im surprised something like this hasnt happened sooner. you have unsupervised kids tearing up shit in the ''unfortunate'' have yuppies letting their dogs shit on their neighbors lawn and fleeing. im surprised more people dont snap here.

5/13/2010 09:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At least the gun he used was registered.

5/13/2010 10:32:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The picture on Ch 7 news spoke a thousand words, if you wanted to type "banger" a thousand times.

5/13/2010 10:38:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fuck it, good for the old man. Neighbors are probably slobs and he blew his lid finally.

5/13/2010 10:41:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ace Hardware: Good Morning, can I help you?

Me, retired: Yes, I'll take some mulch, some 2 cycle oil, and a box of 9mm rounds.


5/13/2010 10:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dead guy knows neighbor is nuts about his lawn. Thug lifestyle taught him to push the edge! He pushed the wrong Hedge! hahahah

5/13/2010 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did you see the picture of the young thug who got himself killed?

5/13/2010 11:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Semper Fi Marine!

23 with three kids and living at home with Momma. No mention of any job. These young bucks have no respect. Well now there is one less asshole who will run his mouth off and be able to abuse people. The world is a better place. I just hope the Marine is freed soon.

5/13/2010 11:33:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He owned the gun legally, so he had the right to use it to defend his "turf," didn't he? I think the NRA needs to come to this guys rescue!

5/13/2010 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Of all the places JR. chose to let his puppy piddle, he chose the nicest lawn on the block. Nice. Strike 1. And, according to mommy, he had words with the old man. Strike 2. Mommy further says that he told the old man not to pull a gun unless he planned on using it. Strike three. Maybe the old residents in englewood or 11 can start to take their neighborhoods back...

5/13/2010 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Probably not a good idea to call a guys bluff when he puts a gun in your face. I wonder if big mouth thought the same thing as he took his last breath. Oh yeah, how about the dogs name Gucci. LOL!

5/13/2010 11:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks to a former Marine for gettig rid of a shit head.

5/13/2010 11:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't bring a dog to a gun fight!

5/13/2010 11:59:00 AM  
Anonymous Screw said...

Libtards on the news site are already challenging gun advocates to justify this.

I love their tactic of presenting us as supporting unnecessary violence. Chances are Clements owned his gun lawfully, but used it in a manner no one would support. Yet the anti-gun crowd uses this as a center piece to their argument.

I have a challenge for the anti gun crowd: justify the gun bans when they obviously don't work.

Any officer here can attest to the fact that dozens of people are shot and killed every week in a city where guns are prohibited. Clements' story makes national news while the 5 killed per day gets ignored.

Situations like Clements happen far less than shootings in which guns are banned. Justify that.

5/13/2010 12:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Pat said...

Have you seen the picture of the dead POS???? I'm sure we all ran into people like him on calls....Looks like a typical POS...I'm sure he was nothing close to respectful, I'm willing to bet he probably had one of theose retractable leashes and purposefully let his dog take care of bid'ness on the lawn...and talked crap the entire time. One less to "rehabilitate" later. Somebody should run that POS's record....Again willing to bet he's no boy scout..

5/13/2010 12:51:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would love to be on that jury...Not Guilty

5/13/2010 12:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stay off my grass or I'll shoot your ass! It should be involuntary manslaughter. The asshole with the big mouth got himself killed. I like dogs, but I can't stand the scumbag assholes who constantly shit and run on my lawn. Pick up your shit and curb your dog. I hope he's set free.

5/13/2010 12:58:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Old people in this country are being disrespected on a daily basis by a new generation of "punk-bitch thugs"
that are raised on a steady diet of "hip-hop" and feel a need to run their mouth instead of just shutting up and saying yes sir!

Well looks like the "young buck" got to live out his rap video fantasy by talking shit and getting himself rubbed out in the process!

"Oh, hit my subliminal..did I just get shot dead?!"

I'm siding with the old Marine on this one!

5/13/2010 01:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Buying a lawnmower- $150.00
Buying items to keep up with your yard-$40.00
Shooting a "tuff guy" who dares you to shoot him-PRICELESS

5/13/2010 01:43:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am just glad he didn't shoot the 4 legged dog.

5/13/2010 02:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If he beats the case, I bet all them other jerk offs in the hood will walk across the street next time they pass his house.

Semper Fi!!!

In the corps they say, "Blood makes the grass grow" so he was just feeding his lawn

5/13/2010 02:23:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Today it is okay to bring your doggie onto anyone's lawn and let it shit and piss. It doesn't matter if you would like to keep it clean so your grandchildren can crawl and play on it. No.

When I was a kid some guy brought a dog onto our lawn and my old man thumped it with a baseball bat and he would have gotten the owner but the guy was running away faster than the dog.

Bring back the good old days!! God bless this Marine!!

5/13/2010 02:46:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

after this mutt (the person, not the dog) boldly let his dog piss on this guy's lawn, he had the balls to say "next time you pull a gun you better use it"

funny this was removed in most media reports today

well he did asswipe

he who runs away, lives to fight another day

sadly he learned the hard way

5/13/2010 03:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Make fun all you want, but the front lawn is irrelevant.

The punk punched the elderly man in the face. The elderly man was lucky to be able to cap the punk before he was beaten worse or the punk took his gun and used it on him.

Fuck that punk and his fucking pit bull. Look at his pictures and learn his story. He was a fucking gang-banging, fiance status forever, three-times baby daddy with three different women, punk who never thought the elderly man would shoot. Surprise mutha fucka! His momma is a piece of work, also!

God bless the elderly Marine! There's a huge chance he will be found not guilty.

5/13/2010 03:17:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Sometimes ignorance and disrespect will get you a bullet.

5/13/2010 03:19:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They'll probably fry the old guy because only shitheads have rights.

5/13/2010 03:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Jungian Analyst said...

The lawn was a metaphor.

5/13/2010 05:14:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Female dog pee burns the grass and creates nice brown spots. I can sympathize if the guy just wants to keep up his beautiful lawn and meets up with some asshole who won't curb the pooch.
But still, killing someone over a little pee on the green? Mr. former Marine - "lawn guy" needs some major anger management classes. Perhaps he can get it in the pen while he takes his 20 plus for murder.

5/13/2010 06:02:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tooooo bad good shot Marine

5/13/2010 06:11:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you!

Semper Fi my brother,praying that you beat it.

5/13/2010 06:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Charles Clements (former Marine) was trying to live a good retired life taking care of his prized possession, his home and lawn. Along comes the deceased with his attitude & his dog, "Gucci". Check on the deceased and you will see that he and his extended family have some serious backgrounds.

Charles is a former Marine and many of us know, You do not step on the grass, ever. The USMC calls it the Parade Deck. Step on it and your life would suddenly change & you would never do it again.

The deceased called Charles out, pushed him and got what he asked for. Charles was prepared to back up his threat, BANG...

Good luck to Charles, hopefully the jury gets the true story & sets him free.

Semper Fi...

5/13/2010 07:53:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want to let your dog urinate let it do it on your own lawn. It's a shame that when someone puts in all the work to make the hood look nice you get a jerk who thinks it's a public washroom. Make many dogs piss on his grave

5/13/2010 08:04:00 PM  
Anonymous John Q. Public said...

Marine, 29 Palms was the perfect example for staying off the "lawn" which was nothing but raked sand. If you got caught walking across the sand, you grabbed a rake and fixed it. Then you picked up cigarette butts, painted the rocks and dressed up the sand bags.

It wasn't too often you caught someone walking on the grass. Bases that actually had grass you simply stood guard until someone else walked on the grass and they took your spot.

It's amazing how rules are followed when they are enforced. It's called consequences. Today's society doesn't seem to get that.

5/13/2010 08:22:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bottom line people need to keep their dogs and fkn kids off peoples lawns. That is private property u know. Good for him, the bad thing is he will go to jail for doing the right thing!!! People are assholes they don't respect private property!!!

5/13/2010 08:50:00 PM  
Anonymous 29 and a day said...

I think we should have a fundraiser for Clements at Burboun Street Im willing to drive form the north side

I hope he beats the case

5/13/2010 09:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nice looking grass and property, what the hell was this guy thinking

5/13/2010 09:29:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish I'd hit the lottery, I'd bond that old guy out and ship him off overseas to live on a island paradise
a non extraditable island of course.

5/13/2010 09:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To the poster who said you never walked on the grass in the Marines, It was Ice plants not grass San diego was full of it! however you're correct death was the punishment.

5/13/2010 10:47:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If this was indeed a banger with a pit bull who ignored requests to get off the property, hit the old fellow in the face and dared him to shoot, well, good riddance. Give the old guy a case of Heinekens and another box of ammo.

Everyone sees the last few minutes, no one sees the last several years of what this man may have gone through that led up to this. There are by God limits, and s__thead here found that out.

Used to be you'd get cut in half for not stepping off the sidewalk when a samurai walked past. Time for a bit more of that old-time tradition. Teaches the ability to follow simple verbal commands like "Get off my lawn."

Remember? "Ask. Tell. Make."

5/13/2010 10:49:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The old guy should have fertilized his lawn with the thug's corpse.

5/13/2010 11:42:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Semper Fi and I hope he beats the case. Keep your dogs off your neighbors lawns!

5/14/2010 12:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Punk push or struck a 69 year old man which is Agg Batt. It's called self defense and Daley & the State will Fu@k with the old Marine simply because of the gun used in self defense. The lawn is not the issue laying hands on the old Marine is.

5/14/2010 01:29:00 AM  
Anonymous Samurai Cop said...

The thug became fertilizer. After that, who needs Chemlawn?

5/14/2010 03:23:00 AM  
Anonymous CharLes Bronson said...

Seems Like someone found their Karma...

5/14/2010 05:26:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Female dog pee burns the grass and creates nice brown spots. I can sympathize if the guy just wants to keep up his beautiful lawn and meets up with some asshole who won't curb the pooch.
But still, killing someone over a little pee on the green? Mr. former Marine - "lawn guy" needs some major anger management classes. Perhaps he can get it in the pen while he takes his 20 plus for murder.

5/13/2010 06:02:00 PM

All dog urine has nitrogen in it. Actually it's good for the lawn. Concentrate it too much and you get a burn spot, like when you fertilize too much. It's not just the females. Many dogs lift their leg and spray it around so you don't get the burn. I hope you were just as wrong about the rest of your post.

5/14/2010 07:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

nice lawn though

5/14/2010 08:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

love the comments on this topic. Good job guys

5/14/2010 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jury Nullification.

5/14/2010 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Learn your places folks.Respect other peoples property.You may be held accountable.

5/14/2010 09:11:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


5/14/2010 09:31:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hells Yeah, Devil Dog!!!! I will care for my lawn better in your honor!

-009 copper

5/14/2010 10:42:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I must say that is a great lawn. Young people just do not respect the elderly. An elderly citizen is a victim of Agrravated Battery when attacked by a young person. The man had to take action in his own hands to protect himself.

5/14/2010 03:09:00 PM  
Anonymous The Box Chevy Phantom said...

His mouth wrote a check against his ass, ol' MARINE said "non sufficient funds muthafuckah!" aka n.s.f.m.f or "not so fast muthafuckah!"

We're also willing to bet the two legged dog said HE was going to go get a gun.

A young buck challenged an older buck on the older buck's territory and paid for it as he well should have.

These young guys are so full of piss & vinegar that they don't know that sometimes you have to put your hat in your hand, genuflect upon the tops of your shoes and be humble and respectful to age and hard won experience.

We saw a lot of this when we began our tour when there were "old men" worth a damn on the West Side once upon a time. The WW2 and Korean War vets along with old time coppers, factory workers etc. from the 40's through the 60's.

Don't bother an old man and he won't fuck you up. Period.

5/14/2010 06:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I can't wait to be that type of crotchety old man...sitting on my porch, half-lit and half-Alzheimer'd-out, threatening kids who dare to run through, bike over or play on my award-winning Kentucky Blue."

--5/13/2010 01:02:00 AM

Used to be one in Norridge -- Overhill south of Foster, was it? -- who'd throw garbage at people driving past his house, start spraying his water hose on anyone trying to walk past on the sidewalk...always lurking in the yard looking to attack.

A. Still out there bellowing

B. Died of natural causes or

C. Beaten to death?

Anyone? (I'm not makin' a special trip...)

5/14/2010 10:38:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why do dog owners think its ok to use your neighbor’s lawn for a toilet? Use your own property!

5/15/2010 01:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would rather have a hundred old retired jarheads for neighbors than one loud-mouthed shithead punk.

The Marine wins my Silver Star lawn-care award!

5/17/2010 01:05:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I would rather have a hundred old retired jarheads for neighbors than one loud-mouthed shithead punk.

"The Marine wins my Silver Star lawn-care award!"

--5/17/2010 01:05:00 PM

Amen. You'd think he'd at least get a contract for Miracle Gro endorsements or something out of this.

Think about it; by the time you're eighty, you have encountered seven successive cohorts of horrible screw-you, I-know-my-rights adolescents -- each generation worse, with less fear of man. Like being knocked down by one wave after another.

This gentleman actually did what every decent person wants to do -- and probably should be doing -- fifty times a day.

"An armed society" might indeed have prospects of being "a polite society," once it got shot over enough to quiet down and be monocultural again. Until that happens, all you've got is a sci-fi/libertarian (is there a difference?) bumper sticker.

5/18/2010 04:30:00 PM  

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