Brother, Spare a Dime?
A Southwest Side man was awarded $1.3 million Tuesday after a Cook County jury found two Chicago Police detectives and a police polygraph administrator created a false confession about him in the 2001 murder of his neighbor, according to the man's lawyers.
Donny McGee's award is to include $330,000 from the officers' personal funds, according to Loevy & Loevy Attorneys at Law.
McGee, who spent three years in prison, was to face the death penalty in the murder of Ethel Perstlen, 76.
Polygraphs have been discredited for years now and many courts disallow any sort of testimony regarding interpretations of their data. In what might be called an ironic twist, the unreliable data produced and interpreted by the technician was turned into a "false confession" by lawyers and cost him $110,000. The detectives used the data provided by a Department trained operator and the lawyers turned it into another $220,000 payday.
Seeing as how this case only cost the city $1 million (plus lawyer costs we're sure), we could see them writing a check for their part and leaving the three CPD members holding the bag on any appeals and related costs for their $110,000 each.
Anyone want to guess what the clearance rate is going to drop to now?
Seeing as how this case only cost the city $1 million (plus lawyer costs we're sure), we could see them writing a check for their part and leaving the three CPD members holding the bag on any appeals and related costs for their $110,000 each.
Anyone want to guess what the clearance rate is going to drop to now?
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
116 Comments:
So much for the bosses who like to preach "just go out and be the police, we got your back. Don't worry about lawsuits, name me one officer that has lost money from his own account...." Well boss, seems I can name 3 now.....
I say they (detectives) should all resign in unison, but that won't happen because only Homicide Det. are usually sued. Soooo, I say do what you got to do and forget the rest! No one cares, why should we! No proactive police work!
The sad part is that the young coppers/jr's/ n wrkrs all might fall for this B.S. meaning to do the job n somehow it gets all turned around that's not right/just/or honest!!
Unless it's a real citizen killed, just go through the paces. F them. Maybe L & L will need the police one day.
Not indemnified? Not putting the house, the dog and the car in the line of fire, then. Finito.
I know these guys. No way did they 'frame' this man.
I'm sure the F.L.O.P. is all over this case!! wink, wink
What. What kind of contract do the cops have that makes them liable for what happens on the job?
As a citizen, that seems absurd.
Punitive damages is punitive damages. Yes the detectives are left holding the bag. Thats $110,000 out of their their pocket. Last time it was Shalk and Bogucki. $60,000 each punitive damages. That was for claiming they held witnesses too long for a police shooting.
Please remember ASAs and Judges cannot be sued. They are exempt from liability. They will agree to charge anyone with anything when the pressue is on them. They will tell you to hold people forever. They will tell you to go ahead and take someones property. They will tell you to go ahead and pick someone up.
If there's a law suit, YOU will always be the one left holding the bag. You will never get away with saying I was only doing what the ASA told me to do. The ASA office always just laughes because no one can ever go after them. That is why everyone sues YOU the police.
Smarten up. Do not trust an ASA. Never ever!
The homicide clearance rate will level out at about ten percent. If you're into murder, 9 to 1 says you'll get away with it. If J-Fled gets involved, make that 15 to 1.
a sgt and 2 po's in 023 got poked for about 100 large apiece punitive over a thrown water bottle a few years back--- another reason why nothing gets done except to roll on jobs and go home on time....
Keep working, young warriors. The department has your backs. Or is it your backsides? To put something into. With no lube.
Work for Daley and his family. You'll feel good about it.
I know zip about the specifics of that case, but it's an indication that officers need liability insurance. You can get a 1 Million dollar policy for a few hundred bucks a year.
As for the clearance rate that means nothing if the wrong guy is charged.
Now cops make mistakes all the time. It's in the nature of having to make a quick decision. Where more of the blame lies is with prosecutors who theoretically have time to review cases as quick decisions are seldom needed.
I've known plenty of cops who will reluctantly admit to making a mistake in some case. Now finding a prosecutor willing to do the same thing is difficult. I've read about it, but never seen it.
Cops are used to using discretion all the time. Prosecutors seem to be all about "winning" and numbers and to hell with any idea of justice.
Hey, I heard the Hawks won.
Congrats!
Welcome to the CPD where doing your job can cost you your job.
We in patrol learned this years ago.
The people are getting the police they want.
This will lead to anarchy !
Anonymous said...
What. What kind of contract do the cops have that makes them liable for what happens on the job?
As a citizen, that seems absurd.
6/10/2010 12:44:00 AM
It isn't the contract, it is Illinois state law, municipalities are prohibited from paying punitive damages awarded for these incidents. Chicago rammed this through.
We used to be indemnified for everything, not so any more. Individual officers are not liable for actual damages for line of duty actions but are liable for punitive damage awards. And I work with a few who have had to write that check to the assholes they arrested.
That and 2% raise has many with little or no activity. Any boss who says he has your back better put it in writing.
Anonymous said...
I know zip about the specifics of that case, but it's an indication that officers need liability insurance. You can get a 1 Million dollar policy for a few hundred bucks a year.
As for the clearance rate that means nothing if the wrong guy is charged.
Now cops make mistakes all the time. It's in the nature of having to make a quick decision. Where more of the blame lies is with prosecutors who theoretically have time to review cases as quick decisions are seldom needed.
I've known plenty of cops who will reluctantly admit to making a mistake in some case. Now finding a prosecutor willing to do the same thing is difficult. I've read about it, but never seen it.
Cops are used to using discretion all the time. Prosecutors seem to be all about "winning" and numbers and to hell with any idea of justice.
Hey, I heard the Hawks won.
Congrats!
6/10/2010 02:51:00 AM
With an upcoming trial in Federal court looming I checked on this. I could not find any insurance that would pay out on punitive damage awards. And bankruptcy will not discharge such an award. An officer with a large punitive damage award will have to write checks for a long time.
FOP can lobby Springfield to have City of Chicago cover Punitive Damages. the Mayor wont let then, hahahahah
In this day and age, the idea of 3 policemen that aren't related sitting down together and formulating a plan to deprive someone of their freedom is the stuff of movies and fantasy. I cannot even imagine someone saying that out loud to other officers. The response would be something like, "What? Are you fucking crazy? What you are suggesting is a criminal act!"
And why would they have to formulate such a plan? Don't they get paid the same if they get a person to confess or not. They still did their jobs! Wouldn't some other mope who actually committed homicide be coming through in a matter of hours/days and be willing to confess to a real homicide? Sorry, no reason in the world that they would have to fabricate such a tale. Loevy and Loevy must be laughing their balls off. A hearty "fuck you" to Lovey and Loevy.
So much for the bosses who like to preach "just go out and be the police, we got your back. Don't worry about lawsuits, name me one officer that has lost money from his own account...." Well boss, seems I can name 3 now.....
6/10/2010 12:09:00 AM
I can name 6...
THE CITY WILL NOT HAVE TO TEST ANYONE FOR DRUGS IF THEY CALL FELONY REVIEW!
U NOTICE HOW MANY YEARS BACK THIS CASE IS?
KEEP FUDGING THOSE NUMBERS HARD CHARGERS. THE CITY WILL THROW U UNDER THE BUS FASTER THAN WEIS BUYS DESIGNER GLASSES FOR HIS LARGE CRANIUM.
Liability insurance? where do you get it and how much does it cost?
I know zip about the specifics of that case, but it's an indication that officers need liability insurance. You can get a 1 Million dollar policy for a few hundred bucks a year
6/10/2010 02:51:00 AM
You know zip about insurance too. The is absolutely NO insurance that will protect you. Trusts will not protect you either. They may slow down the vultures, but they offer NO protection. If you own it, THEY will take it. Anybody that tells you different is either misguided or trying to sell you something. I have spent alot of time in Federal Court and checked.
That being said, know your job. Do what you have to for the taxpayer, but think before you do anything more. The scumbag lawyers and misguided left have done more harm to society than any drug will ever do. Lawyers gotta eat, and believe me when I tell you all, they don't care about the consequences.
I know these guys. No way did they 'frame' this man.
6/10/2010 12:38:00 AM
Agreed 100%!
As a retired CPD detective, I am shocked over this . I would stop using the lie box for one, and document everything that goes on in the interview room. You can take out additional liability insurance through your homeowners, one million for about $300 a year. probably worth it. I would not be surprised if the city cuts these officers loose, nor would I be surprised if the average detective justs stops working in protest.
Unless the guy is holding the smoking gun with a signed confession in his hand, it ain't worth it.
Signed 5 years left and going through the motions.
when you get screwed for doing the right thing...you will start doing nothing. how to survive 101.
Can I sue my dentist if I get a cavity? How about the tooth brush manufacturer? Toothpaste company? I honestly don't know why you do your jobs anymore. Judges and ASA's should be accountable and subjected to suits as well. This whole system is messed up. Can cops sue criminals for.....
endangering your life etc......?
to the poster that said "I know zip about the specifics of that case, but it's an indication that officers need liability insurance. You can get a 1 Million dollar policy for a few hundred bucks a year."
Those policies are for civilians that might sign a complaint and have someone arrested. They are not for the Police in work related incidents. I have asked my agent in the past about this type of insurance and was told there was no such thing as a "malpractice" policy for the Police. If you can post an agent that actually sells one please do as it would be excellent info for the rest of us.
Actually, no lawyer's fees on this case. The poor dears are gonna have to make their yacht payments out of their one-third (or more).
Chances are, this will change. Bad lawyer!
OK, Listen up dumbasses!! There is NO INSURANCE for punitive damages awared by a judge. The purpose of punitive damages is to PUNISH you for doing your job. Lets say you had some kind of "umbrella" policy (this does not exist-anywhere) for such an instance and it was good for $500,000. You would have to disclose such a policy during depositions and the judge would be aware. The judge would then adjust the punitive award to $1,000,000 and the result would be $500,000 out of the coppers pockets. See? We put our lives and our families well-being on the line every day, but we are called greedy when we want the same raise the alderman gave themselves(6%). Keep pushing the edge of the envelope super coppers. Don't worry you will never get whacked with punitives. Right??
OT
Read a post a while back not sure where, and old timer was describing how the cpd came to this state of affairs.
As a resident of this city for 45 years I can tell you that growing up in the 70's the police had the majority of the populations support.
The media and liberal tv shows over the years took that away.
Add 20 years under daley
And outcomes like this lawsuit
This department is loaded with hard working caring men and women
Same as in the old days
The leash is just a hell of a lot tighter
Nah, You got too many egos in the D-Unit that are more than willing to write personal checks for their own shoddy Police Work. That's a fact.
About 1:30 p.m., the argument resumed, and the three victims were shot during a post-funeral gathering in the backyard of a residence on the 4700 block of South Forrestville Avenue.
NEW J-Fled CATEGORY:
In the ground, Unfortunately Still above ground and Not soon enough to be in the ground.(up vs. down)
This way you can bet the over/under.
yikes. keep working out there gel police
I KNOW IT A LONG NARRATIVE BUT PLEASE READ IT…
When it comes to L & L and their ilk, Justice, Fairness and the Truth ALWAYS takes a back seat to winning the case and making money. They don’t care about you, the Police, or anything else. It’s about making money. Of course they will tell you otherwise.
They (Lawyers) always ask for Punitive Damages, WHY, because they use it as a bargaining chip. For example, if they draw a Judge they feel won’t rule in their favor, they tell the City that they will withdraw the Punitive if they will allow a change of Judges. Or as in this case, they were willing to drop punitive if the city would agree not to appeal. The city said no, so the punitive stayed on the table.
In this case, the ASA approved a murder charge with only oral admissions (the Murder refused to talk to the ASA so no handwritten was taken). When it got to court the family, who had money, hired a high price attorney to do his thing and he got acquitted. Of course the ASA put their best and brightest to win the case for us (Wink, Wink). This Murder’s attorney then called his buddies at L & L and handed them the case for a kick back of course.
I know these detectives and they did not do what the L & L scum say they did. The ASA’s dropped the ball when charged it and when they failed to put their best against the family’s high priced attorney. Because of this, these three working guys were left holding the bag. Not only did this scum get away with Murder, he now is going to get paid by us, the taxpayers, and by the 3 Detectives thanks to L & L. What a wonderful justice system isn’t it?
On a Side Note: You should have seen the Jury of their peers that the City allowed.
Retired CPD Det.
Part of any contract should have been the issue of a Liability Insurance Coverage. The FOP refuses to even send an attorney to an officer involved shooting, so to get them to provide insurance is out of the question.
Yet now that you will have to "blow" on every shooting we need lawyers present, and we may need lawyers present when we make arrests. Who are the attorneys looking out for us?
"I know zip about the specifics of that case, but it's an indication that officers need liability insurance. You can get a 1 Million dollar policy for a few hundred bucks a year."
My State Farm agent said thre is no insurance for punitive damages. You can get an umbrella policy that extends your auto/homeowner liability to a million or two. Alstate told me the same.
Punitive damages must come from your pocket, not the city.
Yup, she's dead, nobody saw nothing, no physical evidence pointing to anyone, case suspended.
Next!
Punitive damages has been the latest thing. PO's are getting dragged into federal court and they ALWAYS want punitive damages.
For those of you who are out there doing shit to keep a spot or to make a boss look good, you are fools. Twisting the truth; locking people up with no PC; search warrants etc.
When you sit on the stand in federal court with your pants on fire, your fearless leaders will not be there. While you're sitting there wondering if you're going to have to give up your savings or your home to pay for punitive damages, your fearless leaders will not be worried about their assets. You all know the game so play by the rules for the sake of yourself and your family. F* these bosses that want this that and the other. They don't care who they step on while they're trying to go up.
You CANNOT get the liability insurance, especially for a few hundred bucks. You can get 1,000,000 umbrella for your homeowners policy, but that EXCLUDES and claims relating to your employment Doctors, and nurses have professional insurance policies , but there are none for police Most other policies are thru professional organization Think FOP tried once and were going to get like ten thousand dollar coverage
Check one more item off of felony review's ball busting list. Witnesses no longer brought into stations for them, no polygraph exams. It is interesting that for how completely powerless the homicide detectives are except for the power of arrest, no sgt, lt., commander, politician,prosecutor,juror,or judge is held liable ever.
Although these attorney's are drinking gobs from the well right now, it will dry up very soon with no one going to jail for murder.
As for all the media blogs that the citizenry is using to relish in the misfortune of the detectives, keep in mind the dead victims and their families. All of these lawsuits are brought by convicted murderers. We didn't convict them. Judges and juries did. If you think there is no justice in these poor neighborhoods now, there will soon be absolutely no repercussions for killing June bug or pepe because you just broke the only scythe of revenge a victims family had.
I say they (detectives) should all resign in unison, but that won't happen because only Homicide Det. are usually sued. Soooo, I say do what you got to do and forget the rest! No one cares, why should we! No proactive police work!
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true ... I work burglaries and guess what, NOBODY CARES ! and we would NEVER get charges EVER ....EVER .... based only on a statement. Circumstantial cases go nowhere in Cook Co. unless it is a homicide ...
If the shithead doesn't get charged, guess what, he's not going to sue you
The truth is that homicide has always been a statement driven investigation. The methodology hasn't changed in a hundred years. More probative evidence is gathered in burglaries, robberies, and financial crimes. Strong circumstantial cases are not prosecuted. There is a desperate need for a review of all techniques used in these investigations,for the relationship of Felony Review with the CPD, and for the efficacy training procedures. However, since the exempts will never take the initiative and endanger their positions and inflated pensions, these problems will continue intill the system falls by the weight of its own failure. Don't fall for the Homicide Dic baloney. There is no glory in being a bankrupt tool.
SO an admission that is not on video, audio, or handwritten doesn't count? I guess there would have to be some "nobody but the offender would know" details to make the confession count ....
I have a better question ... why does it take 3 fucking years to bring a case to trial? There's NO FUCKING EVIDENCE beside the admission, why 3 years?
so if i take a confession and it is not written, on audio, or on video .... then I had better keep that confession to myself, because, if I tell the ASA about it, and the guy is charged, sits in county for 3 years, and is later aquitted, I may later be liable for $110K of my own $ ???
Oh, it is hard not to be cynical
I know the patrolmen generally don't care about this ... but this is HUGE ... HUGE.
"I know zip about the specifics of that case, but it's an indication that officers need liability insurance. You can get a 1 Million dollar policy for a few hundred bucks a year."
Insurance policies do not cover punitive damages - it's against public policy in Illinois to insure against punitive damages. Think of another brilliant solution or go back to public school.
The FOP could care less about you. All they care for is themselves right Rich who does not read this blog wink wink. The ran for change and all we got was the same old shit we had before. In with the machine and always in with the machine. Hey what gig will they get why they leave the fop. Ask the mayor
signed
sick and tired of them all
We were all reassured by our boss that this was all b.s. and that the officers will win and pay nothing on their appeal. POLEEEEEEEEEESE pass me some more kool aid.
wrong again... city already idemnified the three coppers so they are off the hook for paying.
For what it is worth, the defendants in this case did not fabricate Donny Mcgee's confession, I am sure of that. I followed the case for the last two an half weeks. The defendants may not have handled the case properly because there were certain that could have been done that were not done, which could have really helped their case. The defendants had two solid pieces of evidence, but it was presented wrong, and it caused them to lose the case. I hope their attorney will appeal their case, and I think the murder case should be re-opened. So Robert Linihan, Det. Farley, please don't give up.
sign, concern individual that know the case.
To Anonymous @ 6/10/2010 10:34:00 AM:
You don't get an attorney at a police shooting because then you MUST give a statement to IPRA if they wanted to start in on you right then and there. Otherwise they have to wait until you get the attorney of your choice to get a statement out of you and you are afforded some time. Think before you open you mouth. That is the problem with most people. And on a follow up note to 6/10/2010 02:46:00 PM; the city is prohibited by law from indemnifing officers from punitive damages-read your ILCS. Indemnification is only for compensitory and legal fees.
If I understand the case correctly, the jury found that the individuals involved did this deliberately, not that it was a mistake or even negligence.
I don't believe you can insure against that. Nor should you be able to.
Whether the individuals ordered to pay punitive damages in this case got a fair shake or not, is something else.
As for the suggestion that in this day and age no cops would get together to frame someone as was found to have happened, you would think not.
But you would also think a cop in this day and age would not drink and drive, or whack someone who is handcuffed to a wheel chair in full view of a video camera. Point being, is that human beings often do inexplicable things that in hindsight make no sense.
This kind of thing is a direct result of bad supervision. It's kind of understandable that a guy could get carried away and go over the line. But why did his boss not put a stop to it before it got out of hand?
This is one reason interrogations need to be videotaped so that there is no question of what went on.
Part of the problem faced in these kind of trials is that city officials lie almost constantly about nearly everything. Cops are viewed as an extension of the city, fairly or not. That makes it very easy to paint cops as being dishonest in court, especially when the evidence is pretty dubious, or as widely distrusted as polygraphs are.
Hey fellow officers, I want to give you some information about an important program that was offered to the city Chicago. On Friday 9 July the exlon Corporation legal department in partnership with wills for heroes program is offering free wills for members of the Chicago Police Department.
I encourage officers to participate in this program. You must preregister and The program is limited to the first 60.
And now for the bad news. Shortly after receiving the e-mail about this program I tried to make an appointment. After several attempts I did reach the proper person. However I was told that it was full. I was in the neighborhood so I stopped into the offices of exelon and spoke to the woman who is handling the appointments. I was able to have a look at the appointment sheet and from what I could see from the first two pages I would say 80% of the people participating were assigned to headquarters. She also told me that the first day it was announced at the end of the business day the appointments were already booked.
So inquiring minds want to know, if the e-mail was sent out via Chicago Police Department e-mail at 5:02 PM. How was it possible that 80% of the appointments were already booked?
Is this another example of inside people getting inside information.
And no offense to any of the individuals working in headquarters, but shouldn't some of the guys working the front line get this opportunity. I don't remember seeing the last time somebody assigned to headquarters was killed in the line of duty.
stay safe and always lawyer up.
I/F
the only arrests i do are on a signed complaint.
Anonymous said...
Part of any contract should have been the issue of a Liability Insurance Coverage. The FOP refuses to even send an attorney to an officer involved shooting, so to get them to provide insurance is out of the question.
Yet now that you will have to "blow" on every shooting we need lawyers present, and we may need lawyers present when we make arrests. Who are the attorneys looking out for us?
6/10/2010 10:34:00 AM
I am a unit rep and I brought this subject up to the FOP officers, Donahue and Bella. It isn't the first time someone has brought this up. My idea was to form a self-insurance fund that we all pay into and would presumably would be able to draw out of in case of punitive damage awards within duty related incidents.
The lawyers have already been all over this and the pitfalls are many. It would generate more liability for the union, I can't go into detail but it wasn't feasible without a whole lot of expense and then lots of PO's probably would object to paying in.
Best is to self insure, throw a $100 a check into savings for punitive damages and if you never need it, go buy a nice new luxury car at the end of your career.
I will not even arrest a piss bum for pissing unless I see him with his dick in his hand and have a good standup witness to the event. Even then I would be careful.
Citizens better arm themselves, I am too close to retirement, no way, no arrests, will not happen.
I do not trust any boss to "have my back."
Not with Loevy & Loevy sharpening their sword to slice and dice coppers.
Ever see the inside lobby of the office of Loevy & Loevy? I heard it has a sculpture of a stylized police star with an arrow through it. That ought to tell you something about what they aim to accomplish.
6/10/2010 10:30:00 AM
L and L may be scum
However, the DNA showed someone else did the crime.
Unless the SA wants to change its theory of the case that it was multiple offenders.
Keep changing the theory to fit whatever you want. Reminds me of the Nicarico case out in Dupage where the Dupage SA kept changing the theory every time it went back to County court after getting tossed on appeal multiple times.
This guy didn't commit the murder. He spent years in County where he was frequently attacked. Could be because he was white....ya think?
He deserved the cash. Where it comes from and the relative culpability of the detectives should be the real issue.
Claiming he's guilty because you don't like either his defense lawyers or civil suit lawyers is bullshit.
wrong again... city already idemnified the three coppers so they are off the hook for paying.
Oh how I wish you were right. Been there before. It is against the law for the City to pick up punitive damages. Heard it right from a judges mouth. A city cannot be punished, only an individual. Get used to it boys. These three guys are as straight as they come. They got f**ked and so will you. We got your back.
If we caN GET some decent cops in at FLOP, what about creating a fund in the FOP for such cases? every FOP member chips in $10/yr to cover members' court costs.It would be a mutual aid ass'n w/in the FOP. Worth a try....
015 with 8 years to go.
Every copper should have a Living Trust. They're easy to do if you go to legalzoom.com. I did mine about 5 yrs ago. Check it out it could save you in the long run. babe in blue
"wrong again... city already idemnified the three coppers so they are off the hook for paying"
This is a lie but thanks for visiting again Jody
For you new guys here is a tip. Throw away that crap pepper spay and get a can of good old fashioned chemical mace for times like this. One shot and its all over.
I have a better question ... why does it take 3 fucking years to bring a case to trial? There's NO FUCKING EVIDENCE beside the admission, why 3 years?
6/10/2010 12:47:00 PM
Your answer: It's the Cook County States Attorney, that's why.
IT'S OVER !!!!!!!!
To the guy that said this is HUGE you are correct sir. The dicks that have ANY brains will shut it down now if they haven't already. No case, no clearance, no pat on the back, no overtime, is worth having to write a check like this. One of the detectives is retired and now has to come up with $111,000.00. Happy retirement and thanks for all the good work.
The police department is all alone on an island, we have been cut loose by the state's attorneys office, the public, our command staffand our elected officials. I fear we will continues to see an increase in dicks paying punitive damages in the very near future. That said why is anybody trying to get a statement to clear a case? It simply is not worth it anymore.
****Word from Corp. Counsel ****
Supt. J-Fled spoke with bosses at Corp Counsel and he stated " If a cop is being sued and the defense wants the officer to pay punitive damages then he probably did something wrong in the first place!" OH MY GOD!
This is your boss saying this !!!!
The guy you go out day in and day out and do your job for... This guy does NOT have your back and after speaking to lawyers in corp couns they all agree he is NOT on the working officer's side!
Please, for you own sake and the sake of your family STOP working and do only that which you are required to do. You may be a great working cop who makes a dope arrest and get sued after the arrestee falls during a footchase and the next thing you know you owe him $103,000.00 !!!!
Why is it not one person will step up to lead us ? Donahue won't say a word because he wants a cushy job after he retires next year. Why won't somebody step up and be our representative ? No one sticks up for us in the media! Where is our spokesperson FOP? You say you tried to hire Pat Camden and when he said no you stopped looking and decided Donahue would do it... Donahue is a monotone science teacher!! Nobody can stay awake when listening to him, he may be a smart guy but WTF where is our rep who sticks up for us and gets some media time ?!!
We are fed up and ready to explode, we are over worked, under paid, under manned and we have NO LEADERSHIP!!! What are we to do ? For fucks sake WAKE UP and do something or better yet do NOTHING! If we do nothing it will be 100 x more effective then marching around city hall and the media gives us a 1 minute clip. IF WE ALL SLOW DOWN WE CAN LET THE MAYOR KNOW HOW MUCH POWER WE HAVE, he controls FOP and that is why we have no one to rally us together.
*** Lets pick a single day and see what happens. JUNE 18th is a FRIDAY we must all slow down that day from 1st watch to 3rd watch. Lock up people only on signed complaints that day. Don't write a ticket unless there is an accident or they cut you off. No contact cards! No curfews NO NOTHING! Just drive around and look out for your fellow officers. We are shorthanded so this will be the safest night of the year with all the available cars up. Lets do this for all those who we have lost, lets do this because it needs to be done. Lets do this because we are the best police dept. in the coutry and we should be treated like it. Godbless and be safe all you officers, firemen and paramedics.
Now go out there and do some police work boys and girls!!!!!!
Talked to State Farm agent, ex CPD po and old partner You cannot get liability insurance for the police Million dollar umbrella only extends the amount of insurance you have on your homeowners or auto insurance policies It only covers whats covered on those policies, not any job related or punitive claims Dont be fooled into thinking because you have a million dollar umbrella , you are covered and you are not Also the po was right about punitive damages are to punish you, not have a city or insurance policy pay
It is amazing that that is guy was innocent (blood/DNA/Alibi corroborated), spent time in jail, and faced the death penalty due to the malpractice of Chicago detectives and a corrupt technician who has 4 other cases coming back to haunt him. Yet, all you guys can think of is the poor officers. What about this guy who had nothing to do with the crime and was expecting to get married? This case tarnishes you more by your defense of these scumbag Chicgao's finest.
Heard the atty was Sam Adams, true?
FOP can lobby Springfield to have City of Chicago cover Punitive Damages.
There already was a time when officers were not responsible for punitive damages
SVU forever
this was prior to taped confessions,
do ie. a handwritten or taped
To Anonymous @ 6/10/2010 10:34:00 AM:
You don't get an attorney at a police shooting because then you MUST give a statement to IPRA if they wanted to start in on you right then and there. Otherwise they have to wait until you get the attorney of your choice to get a statement out of you and you are afforded some time. Think before you open you mouth. That is the problem with most people. And on a follow up note to 6/10/2010 02:46:00 PM; the city is prohibited by law from indemnifing officers from punitive damages-read your ILCS. Indemnification is only for compensitory and legal fees.
INSTEAD OF BEING SARCASTIC ON THE BLOG HOW ABOUT FOP GET OFF YOUR ASSES AND ATTEND ROLL CALLS AND SPEAK ON THESE SUBJECTS TO THE OFFICERS SO WE CAN "THINK BEFORE WE OPEN OUR MOUTHS". THERE IS NEVER ANY INFORMATION PASSED ON. THERE ARE MANY MORE QUESTIONS THAN ANSWERS.OH YEAH I FORGOT ROLL CALLS START EARLY IN THE MORNING, LATE IN THE AFTERNOON AND OF COURSE MIDNITES!
Is this another example of inside people getting inside information.
And no offense to any of the individuals working in headquarters, but shouldn't some of the guys working the front line get this opportunity. I don't remember seeing the last time somebody assigned to headquarters was killed in the line of duty.
stay safe and always lawyer up.
I/F
6/10/2010 04:10:00 PM
The truth hurts. Clout will always rule. Inside before outside PO's.
Who the fuck would want to be a detective now. Fuck that. Give me days in my squad car and I wont do a fucking thing.
The truth is that homicide has always been a statement driven investigation. The methodology hasn't changed in a hundred years. More probative evidence is gathered in burglaries, robberies, and financial crimes. Strong circumstantial cases are not prosecuted. There is a desperate need for a review of all techniques used in these investigations,for the relationship of Felony Review with the CPD, and for the efficacy training procedures. However, since the exempts will never take the initiative and endanger their positions and inflated pensions, these problems will continue intill the system falls by the weight of its own failure. Don't fall for the Homicide Dic baloney. There is no glory in being a bankrupt tool.
6/10/2010 12:36:00 PM
You're right and it's too bad that the training we get is for a lot of inflated balony or inconsequential things. Where were the bosses of the detectives? Don't they share any culpability?
I know the patrolmen generally don't care about this ... but this is HUGE ... HUGE.
6/10/2010 12:57:00 PM
Don't underestimate patrolman. We absolutely get that this is big. It's a big bummer too. I'd say this is the last straw. For me it is.
I am a unit rep and I brought this subject up to the FOP officers, Donahue and Bella. It isn't the first time someone has brought this up. My idea was to form a self-insurance fund that we all pay into and would presumably would be able to draw out of in case of punitive damage awards within duty related incidents.
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Thanks for the thought but let me object to this idea on the basis that FOP services suck. 2) Do you realize how much money they get from us a month? A year? I'm not agreeing to any bs coverage from this union because it will be bs coverage and it will make us pay more to the already corrupt heads of this union. No thank you. Besides you will never get insurance for these types of things. Police and law are hotbeds and no insurance company would cover such unless there were a million conditions attached to it, with the most important one being that you aren't found at fault!! Get real. There are no easy way outs in life.
*** Lets pick a single day and see what happens. JUNE 18th is a FRIDAY we must all slow down that day from 1st watch to 3rd watch. Lock up people only on signed complaints that day. Don't write a ticket unless there is an accident or they cut you off. No contact cards! No curfews NO NOTHING! Just drive around and look out for your fellow officers. We are shorthanded so this will be the safest night of the year with all the available cars up. Lets do this for all those who we have lost, lets do this because it needs to be done. Lets do this because we are the best police dept. in the coutry and we should be treated like it. Godbless and be safe all you officers, firemen and paramedics.
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That sounds like it could be very effective. Good post.
It is amazing that that is guy was innocent (blood/DNA/Alibi corroborated), spent time in jail, and faced the death penalty due to the malpractice of Chicago detectives and a corrupt technician who has 4 other cases coming back to haunt him. Yet, all you guys can think of is the poor officers. What about this guy who had nothing to do with the crime and was expecting to get married? This case tarnishes you more by your defense of these scumbag Chicgao's finest.
6/10/2010 08:49:00 PM
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'cause what's the standard? He confessed - no I didn't --OK detectives cough up $110K -
there must be evidence that the cops lied and completely made up the confession - what is that evidence?
This is a perfect example why corp counsel should settle these lawsuits. So to all these idiots that question when suits are settled remember this case. Just remember when the city settles p.o. s don't pay a dime.
It is amazing that that is guy was innocent (blood/DNA/Alibi corroborated), spent time in jail, and faced the death penalty due to the malpractice of Chicago detectives and a corrupt technician who has 4 other cases coming back to haunt him. Yet, all you guys can think of is the poor officers. What about this guy who had nothing to do with the crime and was expecting to get married? This case tarnishes you more by your defense of these scumbag Chicgao's finest.
6/10/2010 08:49:00 PM
You are obviously not a cop. Please do not make accusations about any of us based on YOUR suppositions. We do not need your opinion on this blog. Go to the runtimes or tribune to make your comments. We know these detectives and they did not lie. When you are attacked or your family member is killed - God forbid, just remember NOT to call us since you think we would scheme to lock up the wrong person. Do us a big favor and conduct YOUR OWN investigation since you're so smart.
To 6/10/2010 09:16:00 PM: I am not a member of FOP but I do know the rules of the game (at least some of them) so why don't YOU get involved in your union and learn some of them. Once again, some people don't learn...
Poly and VSA are total bullshit.They are part of the biased investigator technique system.
The reason you never take them if asked in a criminal matter is because the examiner works for the police and says whatever the dicks want.
The devices do not work,and the courts know it.Poly and VSA are nothing more than interviews to get you talk.
So much for the bosses who like to preach "just go out and be the police, we got your back. Don't worry about lawsuits, name me one officer that has lost money from his own account...." Well boss, seems I can name 3 now.....
6/10/2010 12:09:00 AM
Theres more than three!
Chances are, this will change. Bad lawyer!
6/10/2010 09:43:00 AM
I'm sorry, but I'm just not willing to take that chance!
You go on ahead.
What about this guy who had nothing to do with the crime and was expecting to get married? This case tarnishes you more by your defense of these scumbag Chicgao's finest.
6/10/2010 08:49:00 PM
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Well, simply put, we reserve the right NOT to automatically jump on the blame wagon just because a couple of money hungry lawyers and a handful of ignorant jurors say so. We know the difference between truth, and media/lawyer fiction. We know that jurors often think that based on media portrayal police actively frame people with intricate conspiracies and as a result they give out monetary awards like its halloween candy. And most importantly, we know how easy it can be for someone to get jammed up by simply doing their job. The SA's approved charges, and in spite of what the jurors may think, neither the detectives nor the city held this guy for 3 years even though they are the ones paying for it now. It was the cook county court system.
So you go ahead and believe whatever the news, some lawyers (who had way more to gain than any of the detectives involved in this did), or a handful of jurors (some who probably still think that we should shoot the gun out of the hands of offenders rather than shoot them, but hey, just about anyone can be a juror). It seems to be us against the world most of the time, so we tend to stick together unless there is any solid proof of wrongdoing.
If this defendant wasn't chargeable then why did Lt Bea CUELLO approve the arrest report as watch commander? Why isn't she named in this lawsuit?!
Just do things by the book--who gives a rats ass anyway? That way you can sleep at night. Too many coppers losing sleep over suits...for what? For who? Justice doesn't exist. Go home to your family and barbeque. Have a lemonade...fuck the bad guys.
L and L may be scum
However, the DNA showed someone else did the crime.
Unless the SA wants to change its theory of the case that it was multiple offenders.
Keep changing the theory to fit whatever you want. Reminds me of the Nicarico case out in Dupage where the Dupage SA kept changing the theory every time it went back to County court after getting tossed on appeal multiple times.
This guy didn't commit the murder. He spent years in County where he was frequently attacked. Could be because he was white....ya think?
He deserved the cash. Where it comes from and the relative culpability of the detectives should be the real issue.
Claiming he's guilty because you don't like either his defense lawyers or civil suit lawyers is bullshit.
That is incorrect. I am not getting into the specifics of the case, but you are incorrect about the DNA.
Anonymous said...
SO an admission that is not on video, audio, or handwritten doesn't count? I guess there would have to be some "nobody but the offender would know" details to make the confession count ....
You are a moron
It isn't the contract, it is Illinois state law, municipalities are prohibited from paying punitive damages awarded for these incidents. Chicago rammed this through.
6/10/2010 05:58:00 AM
Really? A state law regarding civil liabilities enforced in federal court? Is there anything else you heard over lunch that you'd like to repeat as fact?
However, the DNA showed someone else did the crime.
6/10/2010 05:13:00 PM
What is this "DNA" you speak of? What does it look like? What does it smell like? What does it taste like? Does it pour from your body like a firehose? Or does it ooze out of you as if you were a 6'00" 200lb sponge? How do you even collect it? All of it, from wherever it might be.
DNA evidence is inclusive, not exclusive. You and I might commit a rape/murder tonight and tomorrow a doctor (more likely a tech) at the M.E's office will run a cotton swab along the victim's extricated vagina. Months from now someone at the ISP Crime Lab may pull only one profile of that swab. Does that mean the other one wasn't there and an active participant? What if we wore condoms, but one of us licked the victim's shoulder? Would the victim's shoulder even be swabbed? Should we swab every square centimeter of her body and area around her with 10,000 Q-tips? DNA is hit or miss; it just means you were there and it's pure luck when we get it.
When shitbags confess they rarely tell the whole truth and the confession comes in stages. They often leave out stuff they are really ashamed of or they lie just to lie. That is the nature of who they are. You just hope they tell enough of the truth to convict them. You should take all that hard earned knowledge of criminal science and investigations you got from CSI & NCIS and put it where the sun don't shine, cause you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
However the sun is now shining on me. After 15 years as a detective I can say that I will never go beyond the minimum to get someone charged again. Shitbirds like you want it this way, well you got it.
You see, you go to the watering hole every day. Every day you see lions laying around resting their well fed bellies. You think the lions are nice and gentle and the park rangers are assholes for trying to keep them in line. But one day the lions will be hungry and you or someone like you is fucked that day. And you'll all want the park rangers to come down and straighten the lions out. From now hoss, I just drive through and write about the carnage. I don't give a fuck. The lions ain't gonna fuck with me or mine, so fuck you.
The state believed there was enough evidence to charge or they wouldn't have, why is there no liability on their part? it seems the only one with skin in the game is the police, sorry not anymore, i'm done....
You are obviously not a cop. Please do not make accusations about any of us based on YOUR suppositions. We do not need your opinion on this blog. Go to the runtimes or tribune to make your comments. We know these detectives and they did not lie. When you are attacked or your family member is killed - God forbid, just remember NOT to call us since you think we would scheme to lock up the wrong person. Do us a big favor and conduct YOUR OWN investigation since you're so smart.
You realize that the guy had nothing to due with the crime and had his freedom taken away for 3 years, right?
You do realize that the family of the innocent man actually had to conduct the investigation to get the exonerating DNA evidence, blood, fingerprints,and hair and none of them matched Mr. McGee.
The Chicago detectives Edward Farley and Robert Lenihan were found by a jury to have relied on a corrupt tech and came up with a confession that was not backed up by video, audio, or in writing. You and I both know that is not how things are done.
Yet, you care more about these detectives who put an innocent man in jail for 3 years then justice.
I am disappointed that about the lack of critique on the poor police work that allowed a screw up like this to occur in the first place. A screw up that is costing tax payers almost $1 million dollars.
But by all means, continue to defend the indefensible.
"Where were the bosses of the detectives? Don't they share any culpability?
6/10/2010 11:18:00 PM"
WHAT FUCKING PLANET DO YOU INHABIT?
BOSSES DON'T HOLD THE BAG FOR SHIT, NUMBSKULL
To the idiot who said "bad Lawyer": Andy Hale and his staff represented my partner and I in a 1982 case where a defendant served 25 years in prison for a crime he did not commit. The details of how we were involved are unimportant. True, the ASAs and CPD supervisors in this "heater" were never mentioned in the lawsuit. The only people who cared about us were Andy Hale and Avi Kamionski, our City appointed private attorneys. No one from the CPD or Corp Counsel Counsel's office ever even spoke with us. Thank God for Andy and Avi. We were cleared of wrongdoing. When in trouble, look to these guys for representation. Forever grateful!
L and L may be scum
However, the DNA showed someone else did the crime.
Unless the SA wants to change its theory of the case that it was multiple offenders.
Keep changing the theory to fit whatever you want. Reminds me of the Nicarico case out in Dupage where the Dupage SA kept changing the theory every time it went back to County court after getting tossed on appeal multiple times.
This guy didn't commit the murder. He spent years in County where he was frequently attacked. Could be because he was white....ya think?
He deserved the cash. Where it comes from and the relative culpability of the detectives should be the real issue.
Claiming he's guilty because you don't like either his defense lawyers or civil suit lawyers is bullshit.
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Actually jagoff the piece of sh*t is hispanic. But i'm sure you already knew that, because you know all the particulars of the case. Hey Russell Ainsworth...stay off the blog you piece of dogsh*t.
I was at a few of the trial dates and the jury deliberation... what a sad day that was. You should've seen this Donny McGee. What a pice of dogsh*t! This guy gets away with murder, but that's not good enough. And the jury was full of police haters(isn't everyone) and they felt sorry for this MURDERING piece of sh*t and ruled in favor of him. And the lawyers that represented this jagoff(Russell Ainsworth and some other broad) better rot in hell, just like the killer they represented. Both detectives (RL and EF) had great careers and it's ashame they have to deal with this sh*t. Polygraph examiner not a bad guy either. Hope the appeal process goes in our favor.
It is amazing that that is guy was innocent (blood/DNA/Alibi corroborated), spent time in jail, and faced the death penalty due to the malpractice of Chicago detectives and a corrupt technician who has 4 other cases coming back to haunt him. Yet, all you guys can think of is the poor officers. What about this guy who had nothing to do with the crime and was expecting to get married? This case tarnishes you more by your defense of these scumbag Chicgao's finest.
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Scumbag Chicago's finest? Two great detectives who only did their job day in and day out to serve you and the city of Chicago. You obviously don't know sh*t about the case you fuck*ng piece of garbage. You are probably the family member of this Donny McGee or the murderer himself. F*ck you JAGOFF!
You realize that the guy had nothing to due with the crime and had his freedom taken away for 3 years, right?
You do realize that the family of the innocent man actually had to conduct the investigation to get the exonerating DNA evidence, blood, fingerprints,and hair and none of them matched Mr. McGee.
The Chicago detectives Edward Farley and Robert Lenihan were found by a jury to have relied on a corrupt tech and came up with a confession that was not backed up by video, audio, or in writing. You and I both know that is not how things are done.
Yet, you care more about these detectives who put an innocent man in jail for 3 years then justice.
I am disappointed that about the lack of critique on the poor police work that allowed a screw up like this to occur in the first place. A screw up that is costing tax payers almost $1 million dollars.
But by all means, continue to defend the indefensible.
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I hope people realize that "acquitted" does not mean "innocent". Does the OJ trial ring any bells? It is a shame the hatred that is out there for the police. For people to believe a murdering scumbag over these three honest police officers, that makes me sick! This CONFESSED killer was awarded money?? That is INJUSTICE!
Murdering McGee confessed! He killed and defiled that poor woman. This supposed DNA excluded him from only one item that had nothing to do with the murder. It was a small sample that was there for years. Murdering McGee got rid of all the viable evidence when he burned her body. These moronic jurors should stop watching CSI and actually listen to the facts of the case. Murdering McGee is a scumbag drug addict who stole money from this woman and when she confronted him in her home, he killed her. I hope murdering McGee burns in hell!!
Punitive damages don't exist in virtually any other country than the good old US of A. It's a made up lawyer way of getting more money and punishing those who have some.
I hope people realize that "acquitted" does not mean "innocent". Does the OJ trial ring any bells? It is a shame the hatred that is out there for the police. For people to believe a murdering scumbag over these three honest police officers, that makes me sick! This CONFESSED killer was awarded money?? That is INJUSTICE!
Murdering McGee confessed! He killed and defiled that poor woman. This supposed DNA excluded him from only one item that had nothing to do with the murder. It was a small sample that was there for years. Murdering McGee got rid of all the viable evidence when he burned her body. These moronic jurors should stop watching CSI and actually listen to the facts of the case. Murdering McGee is a scumbag drug addict who stole money from this woman and when she confronted him in her home, he killed her. I hope murdering McGee burns in hell!!
6/12/2010 02:44:00 AM
He is an animal. Worse than that are the scumbag lawyers who put forth the pack of lies that cost the taxpayers money every day. They take a tragedy and make money off of it. I can think of no lower form of life on the planet.
When someone tells you he is a lawyer, ask him what he does for a living. If he is a defense lawyer or civil litigator, he is a lying, lowlife thief and scumbag to a man.
wrong again... city already idemnified the three coppers so they are off the hook for paying.
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Uh no, you're wrong. Law mandates that employer cannot idemnify you (employee). It would be missing the point of "Punitive damages", it is there to punish the employee.
Punitive damages don't exist in virtually any other country than the good old US of A. It's a made up lawyer way of getting more money and punishing those who have some.
6/12/2010 07:52:00 AM
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another little know fact about punitive damages .. THEY DON"T HAVE TO GO TO THE PLAINTIFF .... sometimes they go to the state (I think, think that Indianda is that way)....
makes sense because they exist to deter the behavior, not to enrich the plaintiff
Anonymous said...
SO an admission that is not on video, audio, or handwritten doesn't count? I guess there would have to be some "nobody but the offender would know" details to make the confession count ....
You are a moron
6/11/2010 09:02:00 AM
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I am? WHy? If the confession is not written or recorded on video and is brought into court, as is the det's job. THe guy was aquitted and later won a 1983 federal case in which the cops were individually liable ...
those are the facts as I understand them ... please explain why I am a moron? JAGOFF
"For people to believe a murdering scumbag over these three honest police officers, that makes me sick! This CONFESSED killer was awarded money??"
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You keep missing the point. The only one to allege their was a 'confession' was the two detectives. The victim states he did not make a confession, that one was manufacturer and it was not documented by traditional methods (signed confession, video, audio).
Couple with the fact that none of the crime scene evidence placed the victim at the crime scene plus a crooked police tech who currently has 4 other cases of misconduct hovering over his head, and now you know why the jury decided in the victims favor.
We are not asking you to be perfect cops, but to be honest cops. Blindly defending detectives who were found to have lied under oath and framed an innocent man is disturbing.
Honest cops should have an open mind and say, 'hey, maybe something is wrong here, let me reserve judgment about the case instead of knee-jerk Blue Lining it."
Blindly defending detectives who were found to have lied under oath and framed an innocent man is disturbing.
Honest cops should have an open mind and say, 'hey, maybe something is wrong here, let me reserve judgment about the case instead of knee-jerk Blue Lining it."
6/12/2010 02:34:00 PM
Personally, I'd follow those Detectives thru the gates of Hell.
Please, do us a favor and post your name, let us know what your name is... WE already know WHO you are. I just hope its those Detectives who get to investigate when YOU, or YOUR FAMILY become the victom of some crime! If Dante was right, theres a special circle just for you.
You keep missing the point. The only one to allege their was a 'confession' was the two detectives. The victim states he did not make a confession, that one was manufacturer and it was not documented by traditional methods (signed confession, video, audio).
WHATEVER THE "VICTIM" (AKA OFFENDER NOW IN CUSTODY) SAYS IS TRUE HUH? OK. SURE.
Couple with the fact that none of the crime scene evidence placed the victim at the crime scene plus a crooked police tech who currently has 4 other cases of misconduct hovering over his head, and now you know why the jury decided in the victims favor.
WRONGO. A MORE ACCURATE STATEMENT IS THAT NOT ALL THE EVIDENCE WAS TESTED. THE EVIDENCE THAT WAS INCONCLUSIVE THAT MEANS THEY COULDN'T RULE THE "VICTIM" OUT. YOU ARE SO SMART.
We are not asking you to be perfect cops, but to be honest cops. Blindly defending detectives who were found to have lied under oath and framed an innocent man is disturbing.
NO ONE LIED DUMB ASS. IF MR. VICTIM CONFESSED, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER IT WAS ON VIDEO, ON A RECORDER OR VERBALLY, HE DID CONFESS. NO ONE FRAMED HIM. HE CONFESSED TO A MURDER HE COMMITTED AND THE REAL VICTIM IS DEAD. YOU HERE THAT ASSWIPE? SHE'S DEAD. AND SHE SUFFERED TOO. SOMEONE KNOWS ALL ABOUT THAT.
Honest cops should have an open mind and say, 'hey, maybe something is wrong here, let me reserve judgment about the case instead of knee-jerk Blue Lining it."
IF YOU READ THIS BLOG - AND YOU MUST SINCE YOU ARE TROLLING IT TONIGHT - YOU WOULD NOTICE THAT THERE IS NO BLUE LINE. COPS ARE FOR APPROPRIATE AND EVEN HEROIC POLICE WORK AND AGAINST SHODDY OR CRIMINAL ACTS BY OUR BRETHREN. IN THIS CASE WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK "IF SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE." WE ALREADY KNOW. THE FIRST THING IS WRONG IS YOU. THE SECOND THING IS WRONG IS SOMEBODY MANIPULATED THE SYSTEM AND IT WASN'T THE PO PO. I HOPE YOU CAN LIVE WITH THE REALIZATION THAT NOTHING YOU SAY TO MAKE US FEEL DIFFERENT MATTERS. NOW GO TO A BLOG WHERE YOUR OPINION MATTERS.
6/12/2010 02:34:00 PM
"For people to believe a murdering scumbag over these three honest police officers, that makes me sick! This CONFESSED killer was awarded money??"
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You keep missing the point. The only one to allege their was a 'confession' was the two detectives. The victim states he did not make a confession, that one was manufacturer and it was not documented by traditional methods (signed confession, video, audio).
Couple with the fact that none of the crime scene evidence placed the victim at the crime scene plus a crooked police tech who currently has 4 other cases of misconduct hovering over his head, and now you know why the jury decided in the victims favor.
We are not asking you to be perfect cops, but to be honest cops. Blindly defending detectives who were found to have lied under oath and framed an innocent man is disturbing.
Honest cops should have an open mind and say, 'hey, maybe something is wrong here, let me reserve judgment about the case instead of knee-jerk Blue Lining it."
6/12/2010 02:34:00 PM
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no such thing as an "audio" cofession ... and "video" confessions are brand new ... so unrecorded confessions were the norn since Chicago came into exostence in what 1860? Ya, 130+ years you goof. So go fuck yourself and go back to watching CSI re-runs you hack
Know these detectives very well. (Integrity unquestioned) This is outrageous what they are going through. What happened to this elderly woman was horrifically outrageous. These phony, whoring attornoys manipulating their way through the most corrupt judicial system in America are more dispicable then the criminals we see every day. If we as officers sit back and do nothing about this would be equally outrageous.
i'm a cop in the suburbs and i along with 7 others were hit with punitive damages for a party that went bad. the town i work for had a 5 million dollar insurance policy which covered my $5000.00 i was hit with in punitive damages. the total in punitive damages was $30,000.00 for the seven of us, which the insurance company paid for along with the 2.75 million it paid to 24 plaintiffs in compensatory damages.
Hey Andy Dick: I know you guys read this regularly. How does it feel to be regarded as a virus by every person that knows you? The people that work for you and the public at large all see you for who you really are, a vile and twisted failed member of the human race, a bottom feeder.
To your old man: you made him this way and that's how he will live his life, despised, just like you. Plus he is just plain creepy looking. Nice legacy.
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