Interesting....
It’s a shame that the public has to be reminded of this from time to time, but any cop can testify to this inescapable fact of police work: Where there is no punishment for criminal behavior, crime will flourish.
Nowhere has this been demonstrated with greater clarity lately than in Chicago, where the Sun-Times has taken notice and sounded the alarm. In a three-part series that concluded Tuesday, reporters Mark Konkol and Frank Main examined the violent incidents that occurred over a single weekend in Chicago two years ago. During that 59-hour period, from April 18 -20, 2008, forty people were shot in the city, seven of them fatally. Stop and consider that for a moment: one city, one weekend, seven people murdered, and 33 others shot but still alive.
As horrifying as those numbers are, they are far from the most disturbing revelation in the Sun-Times series. You might assume that such an extraordinary outbreak of carnage would have aroused the citizenry in Chicago to demand swift action from their police, prosecutors, and elected officials to see to it that those responsible for the violence were brought to justice. You might assume so, that is, if you don’t live in Chicago.
Go read the whole thing.
Labels: we got nothing
posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
55 Comments:
The only one to blame is the Dictator Daley. We are so fucking short handed it's scary. It's sad that in most cities across the country they love their police department, but in chicago they are hated. Our own Mayor hates his police and treats them like shit. Usually only criminals hate the police. Hmmmmmmmm I wonder.
No amount of pretty flowerboxes can hide this disaster.
A relatively good article, followed by a great deal of ignorant comments from people who are in need of anger management.
I find it funny how many of the comments just simply vomit movie or other media stereotypes of the police. Those people should be banned from ever dialing 911 or calling for help. Let them rot.
At any rate, I do not see things changing for the better in Chicago, or for that matter any where else. I do envision problems getting worse due to the insensitivity and ignorance of much of our citizenry. I do not see any change in government as long as reform-minded politicians are ignored and many incumbents are worried about re-election and the size of their campaign funds.
Who was that cartoon character who said in a wimpy, pathetic voice: "We're doomed! We'll never make it."? I think that character was probably describing the future of Chicago and modern America.
Possible solutions:
1) Quinn must go.
2) Daley must go.
3) Weis must go.
4) Term limits for all elected positions in Illinois. No more than 2 terms, period. After that, they can all go and GET A REAL JOB.
5) Pensions have to be squared away. Appropriate contributions have to be made by governing bodies, and payouts will have to be scaled down (we've seen far too many examples of abuse of pensions by the connected).
The State's Attorney's Office must be revamped. Too much refusal to pursue felony charges, which causes too much frustration with police, resulting in fewer arrests.
We need criminals locked away, not out walking the streets while ASA's 'try the case over the phone.'
We need competent judges. Our laws have teeth, we just need judges who are willing to put the bite on criminals. Stop the 'adding probation' on to convicted people who are already out on probation!
Stop throwing 'good time' on to people who've been raising hell in our prisons. If they're fucking up in the prisons, leave them there! Letting them out 'early' for 'good behavior' sends a message that they're not held accountable. This adds to recidivism.
Not sure if anyone saw the Fox-32 9pm news, but the station's general manager did an editorial, praising us, calling us Chicago's finest, and telling people that they should respect and appreciate us. As soon as it was over, that tool Sirott gave the standard disclaimer about how this guy's opinion was his, and not necessarily those of the station, it's employees...etc. At least this guy was backing us.
A rehab worker I know was robbed and the offender was armed with a gun. He was working on a building in 008. They saw the offender a few blocks away, called the cops and he was caught. Offender still had victim's phone on him. Victim was told, no armed robbery cause the gun was not recovered and in less than a week, offender is out of jail. Same crew robs several other workers, working on another house across the street a week later. 008 has a big problem with rehabbers getting robbed and ASA letting them right back out on the street to rob again. SAD!
from pajamasmedia.com website. A blogger states
Look to the local goverment. Chicago is a classic example of what happens when a city goes to a :Socialist government. What you get is rampant crime, public entitlement programs which further aid people not wanting to work, look for work and just kicking it waiting for the next hand out.
Interesting to note this is the Prsident’s home town. Sad, very sad to see this country going down the tubes.
I couldn't agree more!
Dateine Chicago;
In an effort to shed better light on the violence CPD Leader JFLED has announced new Stats.
" We will identify criminal activity now not only as either inside or outside but also whether it was daytime or nightime, if necessary we will also use 'Dusk' as a category but only if we really have to, in our continuing effort to cover up crime."
I certainly hope something is done, soon. When the police officers aren't safe - no one is. And if Daley is reelected, the people who support him are going to get exactly what they deserve. More of the same!
My sympathies are with you on where you are going with this as far as all the crime and how bad things are here under our fearFULL leader J-Fled. Still is this really the national media. I never heard of this site Pajamas Media or whatever its called. Its great that the facts of how fucked up things are here is getting some attention but it will really mean something when its on FOX,CNN , ABC,CBS, etc
"Where there is no punishment for criminal behavior, crime will flourish."
When there is little to no recourse for Judges or Parole Boards letting bad-guys go, crime also flourishes!
Start holding Judges and Parole Boards acountable other than just "Voting them out", and I'LL BET THINGS WILL CHANGE!
Time for a march!! We are not going to take this anymore!
LMFAO!
Hey J-Fled:
How did jesse's dick taste????
Hey TOOL,
Bob Sirott also gave his opinion a couple of weeks ago supporting the CHICAGO POLICE. Perhaps you missed that one. It's common practice for stations to issue a disclaimer stating such. TOOL!
Possible solutions:
1) Quinn must go.
2) Daley must go.
3) Weis must go.
4) Term limits for all elected positions in Illinois. No more than 2 terms, period. After that, they can all go and GET A REAL JOB.
5) Pensions have to be squared away. Appropriate contributions have to be made by governing bodies, and payouts will have to be scaled down (we've seen far too many examples of abuse of pensions by the connected).
The State's Attorney's Office must be revamped. Too much refusal to pursue felony charges, which causes too much frustration with police, resulting in fewer arrests.
We need criminals locked away, not out walking the streets while ASA's 'try the case over the phone.'
We need competent judges. Our laws have teeth, we just need judges who are willing to put the bite on criminals. Stop the 'adding probation' on to convicted people who are already out on probation!
Stop throwing 'good time' on to people who've been raising hell in our prisons. If they're fucking up in the prisons, leave them there! Letting them out 'early' for 'good behavior' sends a message that they're not held accountable. This adds to recidivism.
This guy has my vote for whatever office he runs for. Someone running on this platform, in any OTHER city, would win hands down. Not here though.
This would not have happened with the CPD of the 1990s. Back when Cops were still driving the mighty Caprice, plenty of Officers were on the streets. When we called 911 in those days, the blue lights came from every direction.
By now it is well known that if you have any time on the job and IPRA digs one up on you, you are gone. There are no more suspensions because when they do suspend and fail to fire (COZZI-others)Jody sues them. So if you are out there runnin and gunnin and you make more than a new PPO your days are numbered. They will sustain some bullshit ,kangaroo police board and then wonder why violent crime is through the roof.
Funny how the FOP is paying the legal bills but not screaming to high heaven about this back door layoff scheme that fucks us but also the citizens of Chicago.
Nothing about Shiller?
---not a cop
When Blago gets off, BHO will have the reason he has been looking for to fire Fitzgerald with minimum backlash. The heat will then be off Daley and his crime family.
I work in Area One and after seeing what happened to Ed Farley and Bob Lenihan I have no desire to ever take another confession.
If an individual desires to confess then let the individual from Felony Review take the statement and then Jon Loevy can sue him ten years from now, not me!
Daley and Anita Alverez, Crook County States Attorney are to blame. Serious crimes are going unpunished, with the convicted not even spending a week of jail time incarcerated. Both are jokes..VOTE REPUBLICAN
its a great article, but its still written by a officer using a pen name. which, im sorry to say, lowers its national media credibility. i think what you do is great and what he wrote is the truth. its sad that everybody has to do it from hiding.
Last night FOXNEWS manager gave a really nice talk complimenting the Chicago Police, the one's on the street. He was very sympathetic towards the street cop
I have a riddle for the media. If a crime is committed in Chicago but their is no police officer available to take the report did the crime really happen?
Perhaps someone should ask Jfraud how often police districts are in no car available status.
PUT CAMERAS IN COOK COUNTY COURTS!
LET EVERYBODY SEE HOW IT WORKS.
LETS SEE THEM EXPLAIN THEIR ACTIONS.
I've had a few of my friends move out of the city recently. They say it is too expensive and dangerous to live here anymore.
Andrews' article is good...very very good...click on the link and read it
The Ghetto Gladiator Games sponsored and brought to you by........ Government welfare programs, Absentee fathers, Illinois LINK, Inner-city Reverends, Liberalism, Generational welfare, The Teachers Union, Chicago Public Schools, Section 8, Teenage mothers, Irresponsible behavior, Inner-city culture, Sanctuary cities, and viewers like you.
Hold on... I ... see ... something...
I ... predict....
Blame....
the... (wait for it)
POLICE.
For some fucked up reason, I see somewhere in this 3 part article, at least one or two fingers of cupability are pointed in the dirrection of the police.
Why not, everyone else if doing it.
Off topic, I was reading D.N 07-49, the department notice for SWAT applicants. On Page 6, subsection N it state you can't have been previously removed from SWAT for disciplinary or performance reasons. Ray Hamilton was removed from SWAT for disciplinary reasons by Risley. I can't seem to find this part in the SWAT sgt's notice. We should ask the Policy group why this was left out of the notice. Hey Ray, Commanding Officer for the Policy group, why was that left out? And when are you going to SWAT. It's all legit I swear.
(OT) Philly closing firehouses are we next? There are fewer fires daley could do this and hire more needed paramedics!
http://cbs3.com/local/philadelphia.firehouse.closures.2.1837765.html
Anita Alvarez should be held accountable for her share of this debacle. Look at todays Sun-times. Nine alderman bowing out. Plus Schiller, that's ten aldrmen going. Leaving before the voters bring down the thunder upon them at the polls. Remember. Vote them ALL out. Clean slate.
"Where there is no punishment for criminal behavior, crime will flourish."
When there is little to no recourse for Judges or Parole Boards letting bad-guys go, crime also flourishes!
Start holding Judges and Parole Boards acountable other than just "Voting them out", and I'LL BET THINGS WILL CHANGE!
8/03/2010 01:51:00 AM
You hit the nail right on the head.
Chicago Police Superintendent Jody Weis: Violence is Not Up
Updated: Monday, 02 Aug 2010, 9:59 PM CDT
By Tera Wiliams, FOX Chicago News
The police Lt. missed one vital point. Daleys increased cockiness is in direct proportion to his ability to access the President or his minions. I don't believe the Lt. did this intentionally. Even sadder, I believe we are so indoctrinated to the thought that Dems are SUPPOSED to do right for the underdog, that he didn't even notice the time frame.
Hey MEDIA, stop asking jody and dick daley about the crime, attitude on the streets and problems we face and ask us, the Men and Women out here actually working.
God Bless the CPD Stay safe brothers and sisters.
Run the numbers, we are told as is the public that we have 13,500 officers, we only have 9,702! That's 3,798 OFFICERS SHORT! Why is there so much crime, Three Thousand Ninety Eight Police Officers Short, Understaffed, Unmanned whatever you want to call it, it's a crap situation and our great mayor is hiring no one, we have no support and Jody has no clue nor do we respect or agree with his leadership. Just an FYI MEDIA, 3,798 Police Officers Short/understaffed is an estimated $265,860,000.00 a year that the city is saving, yet our mayor continues to claim we are broke and that we do not have the money. Well, where is it then?
OT: HERE'S ANOTHER DISASTER IN CHICAGO
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/08/record-number-of-illinois-families-on-food-stamps.html
I wonder if all the illegals swarming here like flies on shit have any influence on this number??
Silly Democrats, paychecks are for workers. You Illinois liberal voters are by far the dumbest people I've ever seen. This is your tax money being pissed away stupid. Yeah, keep voting Democrat and wonder why your neighborhood is changing.
Man, I used to hang out with some people when I was younger who used to voice their liberal bullshit on me and I couldn't take it anymore. Come to find out after some of their white chicago neighborhoods started "changing" lol, GOODBYE, they gone! They moved.
But, but wait! What about all that bullshit preachin' about how good welfare is here, and Blago is the man, and my way of thinking is racist (which it isn't)... and you moved!? I don't understand. Well guess what motherfuckers, I'm still here, standing tall for now you pussies. You liberals would shit a brick if you lived in Marquette park.
OT, but interesting. Fox's Mark Saxenmeir did a story on a CSA on the southside on King Drive. The victim was 18yoa, but has a mental capacity of a child. gang raped by several boys and men who all stood in line waiting for their turn. Several offender's left used condoms at the scene. One guy was taken into custody, but was released because he stated he was there waiting for his turn, but got tired of waiting. His mother goes on tv to defend this thug ass rapist. Mom say her son did not participate in anything. "The girl went into the basement on her own. Who knows what she wanted." When the son was asked if there was something wrong with the girl he stated yes, she is slow. He knew she was slow, yet he stood in the long line of rapist, but then stated that she wanted it. UFB!!! The mother is no better. Quick to defend his wrong doing. A good samaritian who was also in this basement during the assault lead the girl 2blks from scene and called police. Prosecution is not likely because of the victim's mental capacity and ability to ID all offenders in the dark basement.
Was this terrible crime on the lakefront ever solved? :
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2003/03-1-157x.html
"Mayor Daley has no honor and his word has no value. The sneaky way he did this shows that he knows it was wrong."
First, the letter was not written under a pen name, troll. It was Lt. John Andrews of the 011th district. And he's proud of it.
Second, enough with "we're down thousands!" BS already. We are budgeted for 13,500 SWORN. That means Supt down to PPO. We currently have about 12300 - 12500 sworn. Figure it out: we lose about 500 a year through attrition. The hiring slowdown began 2 years ago. We've hired about 200 in that time.
If you want to debate whether 13500 is enough, that's a different story.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
I work in Area One and after seeing what happened to Ed Farley and Bob Lenihan I have no desire to ever take another confession.
If an individual desires to confess then let the individual from Felony Review take the statement and then Jon Loevy can sue him ten years from now, not me!
8/03/2010 07:21:00 AM
You sir are a very smart man!
Hey 2:22 PM. Get over your stupid shit. It is NOT 13,500 PO's. It is 13,500 SWORN. That includes ALL ranks of sworn including detectives, ET's, FTO's sergants, lieutenants, caprtains and exempt. Not knowing what are are talking about only reinforces what everyone thinks about you. Go do some research and get your numbers straight.
Don't laud the media, a hundred compliments from them wouldn't be a drop in the well of condemnation that they have given to us over the last three years. The Abatte film will probably be on Fox within 30 days for some bullshit reason.
Anonymous said...
Hey TOOL,
Bob Sirott also gave his opinion a couple of weeks ago supporting the CHICAGO POLICE. Perhaps you missed that one. It's common practice for stations to issue a disclaimer stating such. TOOL!
8/03/2010 06:23:00 AM
Amen Brother! Sirott said some great things about us a few weeks ago so who ever is talking shit about the guy do some research before opening your trap
Hey MEDIA, stop asking jody and dick daley about the crime, attitude on the streets and problems we face and ask us, the Men and Women out here actually working.
God Bless the CPD Stay safe brothers and sisters.
8/03/2010 02:15:00 PM
WHO THEY GONNA ASK? MARK DONAHUE?
On fox news dickhead just said "the police are doing a good job. look at how many guns they seiged."
He also said that taking away the sports programs for underprivileged kids is "silly".
Master of the english language, huh, counselor?
8/03/2010 11:39:00 AM
That's right. The rats are leaving the ship.
They figure with the electorate being so pissed, why risk the campaign war chest in a coin-toss election?
Better to take the campaign money and retire.
They are all suckholes.
Buck Naked
(not a cop)
OT: some of the favorite aldercreeps have decided not to run, including Shiller and Rugai.
The heat will then be off Daley and his crime family.
8/03/2010 07:20:00 AM
What heat?
First, the letter was not written under a pen name, troll. It was Lt. John Andrews of the 011th district. And he's proud of it.
The article was written by LAPD officer using pen name. Im not sure if he stays anonymous or not. He referred to the essay written by John Andrews, which no, is not a pen name and is in fact his real name, in his article published on the link provided by SCC. It is a great essay and he should be proud of it. But thats not what i was talking about. Im a troll i guess, you are illiterate
'Off topic, I was reading D.N 07-49, the department notice for SWAT applicants. On Page 6, subsection N it state you can't have been previously removed from SWAT for disciplinary or performance reasons. Ray Hamilton was removed from SWAT for disciplinary reasons by Risley. I can't seem to find this part in the SWAT sgt's notice. We should ask the Policy group why this was left out of the notice. Hey Ray, Commanding Officer for the Policy group, why was that left out? And when are you going to SWAT. It's all legit I swear.'
Don't be surprised by this. Another former Sgt. of SWAT was moved after he received a CR for kicking a SWAT patrolman while they were working a job. He tried out again too, but wasn't exactly honest when questioned by a 'review panel' (part of the SWAT testing process) about the incident. But you've gotta wonder, if they kept that other Sgt. from coming back in, how did RayRay get around the 'review panel?' One would think that they would have asked RayRay about the circumstances behind Risley ousting him from SWAT...or did they? Either way, look for RayRay to be installed in some highfalutin' position in SWAT before J-Fled and Masters are removed. I'm sure a plan has been drawn up somewhere. If I were the Cmdr of MSF, I would be nervous...and bringing empty boxes to work.
Hey 2:22 PM. Get over your stupid shit. It is NOT 13,500 PO's. It is 13,500 SWORN. That includes ALL ranks of sworn including detectives, ET's, FTO's sergants, lieutenants, caprtains and exempt. Not knowing what are are talking about only reinforces what everyone thinks about you. Go do some research and get your numbers straight.
8/03/2010 06:51:00 PM
That's right but the previous post is right though about the money. Correcting him is cool so that means the dollars we are not paying out in budgeted sworn positions is even higher. Maybe taxpayers outta ask for that money to be put back into our pensions before we all put it back through higher taxes.
To Lt. John Andrews, Not only are you a courageous, honest, teller of truths, your writing is beyond belief. I didn't want the article to end. I hope you're retired and working on your real career as an author. Retired GCS
'Off topic, I was reading D.N 07-49______
What we have with Ray so far is:
1. He cheated during the shooting test by switching holters, and got caught but Tracy Ladner forced it through.
2. Somehow had the review panel not ask about him geting kicked out of swat, although the other sgt who got kicked out got asked and thus weeded out.
3. Had the order saying if you ever got kicked out of swat you couldn't come back removed so he could come back.
4. Had the process for ranking and selecting swat guys changed so that he could hold a spot open for him so he could continue to do the policy group thing. Thus screwing the other sgts who completed swat school.
5. And now he is going to be promoted to Lt in the next class, which he knew already but wanted to cover all his bases, just in case. One Way Ray, his Way strikes again. Once that happens he becomes the swat coordinator. Don't forget, he'll be bringing squad car Barbie with him. At which time she will become Bearcat Barbie.
Hey AK, how does Ray's dick taste you hypocritical sell out. You are making swat a joke with all your entitlement BS. Keep using your phone call to stay in swat even though you haven't passed the PFT in over 2 years and can't go on swat jobs(non-operational). You alone are making swat a shitty place to work. Bring Wieberg back!!
Post a Comment
<< Home