POWER Test Dropped for Rifles
It's about time.
This was among the more shortsighted decisions made by J-Fled. As stated here and elsewhere, no one is running the carbines for a mile-and-a-half to shooting scenes. And when that news anchor (Anna D) was demonstrating what a person with zero firearms training could do with a simple rifle platform, that kind of blew all J-Fled's arguments down the toilet.
Desperation is never pretty and we expect a while bunch of common sense issues to be pushed to the fore as J-Fled takes advice from previously "insignificant" sources. If he had been listening to the disgruntled unwashed masses for the past two-and-a-half years instead of the twits at the Policy Group who had maybe a collective 10 years on the street at inception (and come to think of it, still haven't increased their street time) then J-Fled may have made better inroads instead of biter enemies.
This was among the more shortsighted decisions made by J-Fled. As stated here and elsewhere, no one is running the carbines for a mile-and-a-half to shooting scenes. And when that news anchor (Anna D) was demonstrating what a person with zero firearms training could do with a simple rifle platform, that kind of blew all J-Fled's arguments down the toilet.
Desperation is never pretty and we expect a while bunch of common sense issues to be pushed to the fore as J-Fled takes advice from previously "insignificant" sources. If he had been listening to the disgruntled unwashed masses for the past two-and-a-half years instead of the twits at the Policy Group who had maybe a collective 10 years on the street at inception (and come to think of it, still haven't increased their street time) then J-Fled may have made better inroads instead of biter enemies.
Labels: department issues
posted by SCC at 8:30 AM
89 Comments:
Thank you Jody. I agree we as police officers should take good care of our health and bodies, it is very important. On that note I do many officers that have hurt themselves on this job, doing this job and just cannot run or may have a bad back or whatever the case may be. You have taken the right step for us. I still don't like you! but keep making moves like this and all things change in time.
LMMC
Sun Times quotes J-Fled as saying he knows he's out. Now, Jodi, is the time to man up. Blast the 'Powers That Be'. Put it all out there!
Tell the papers about:
the store front reverends unheard of access to promotional lists and their influence on the Police Department
the Mayors (and other pols)influence on investigations that involve their people
the insider deals that drive the cost of equipment through the ceiling
everything else you have had to deal with in that position.
Jodi, you have been used and abused by the Chicago Machine. You can deal them a considerable blow on the way out the door if you so choose. You have been treated badly by them and us, but you can go out a hero. I am not kidding, you will be a hero to all Chicagoans if you help put an end to the corruption that is Chicago politics.
And just in time before RayRay becomes a sworn in Lt!
NOW he can add that to his resume too!
J-Fed surrounded himself with the wrong people, right from the start. He was easily led by the kiss asses.
He chased away all the good people that could have helped him. In fact; if he had just let the power's to be run it, and stayed away from the big decisions he could have sailed through his contract, and came out looking decent. He let his elitist ego lead him. He thought being a FBI agent would make being a Chicago Police Superintendent Easy. It's Too Late Now J-Fed.
Is this for sure?
Its about fucking time.
Anna Davalantes is a local gal(Lane Tech grad) done good. One of the few reporters that is very personable & appreciates what we do.
Who cares about stinking rifles? I don't even want their stinking tazer. Just gas blast their ass. Less nonsense to go through when you do it....
Just observed Jody driving himself today down 31st. 7 passenger Suv for 1 guy and all his TOOLS
J-FLED has no realization or recognition that fucking over Bill Cozzi was his first impression upon the CPD.
Out of the box, he stepped over the line of no return. Everything subsequent was futile.
Fuck that bucket headed, beady eyed, hillbilly mother fucker. Bye-bye opossum boy!
How can a rifle be expected to pass a power test? It's just silly.
It is about time. Give all of us our fair advantage on the street.
It may have been years since I was in the USMC, but it was BS that I had to take a POWER test in order to deploy the weapon.
After 30 years, I can still pick up a M4, zero it in and give a gnat a appendectomy at 100 yards with just a little snapping in.
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-daley-weis-20100908,0,7674582.story. Very interesting read. J-Fled says that most of the concerns of CPD rank and file have been addressed by him.
Which is worse a bitter enemy or an enemy who bites?
Off topic.
Daley defends J-Fled, thinks Huberman would be a good Mayor. WTF?
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/09/daley-defends-weis.html
Contrary to popular belief, firearms aren't nearly as difficult to safely use as some people think. Arguably, it's easier to teach someone how to effectively use a long gun as their primary than it is a sidearm.
People who think using a firearm requires some colossal training scheme are clueless.
Yes, if you want to become a fully trained bush sniper or some other specialty (for example, fully automatic weapons or team entries), that requires a good bit of practice, but regular use of a repeating firearm isn't even that big of a deal.
People who don't understand firearms well are the ones who think that intensive training regimens are required.
Hopefully the elite five year wonder girls in the "policy group" will be on short time.
took the carbine course. best training department has to offer. it's nice that the newer tahoos have gun racks in the front. But the majority of gun racks are in the back (if there are gun racks) and the electrical system rarely works so you are left to open this with a key which is a small key with small lock that isnt in your vision unless you contort your body. Carbines are great but if you need to deploy it instantly -- good luck with that. that being said, take the course, it's worth it. but not everyone is gonna pass this course. there have been a few people sent home at the 38th hour after failing the shooting test three times. They dont mess around with the rifle.
Off Topic:
Hey SCC, just a suggestion:
How bout a post about a new Supt. from within, who is capable and qualified and list reasons pro and con for said candidate.
we know Jfled will ride it out till February when his contract expires, so how bout doing our own Star Search or Gold Star Search for a new Supt. from within the ranks, IF there is one qualified....
.....ha, ha, ha. WTF? I admire the turn-around decision. You know it was all bullsh*t to begin with. But you still have got to qualify with the damn thing. And what about keeping the thing loaded? Jesus, there's like five steps to load the sumbitch when you want to shoot. What a joke. My .45 is ready to go. And as long as we're talking about weaponry, what about these tasers? Our team qualified for the tasers in the summer and only the watch has got them. Try to check one out and they look at you half-cocked. One to a car. WTF? Also some watch commanders are opposed to let you check one out when you press the issue. The system ain't perfect and will never be, but officer safety is. THE FOP HAS DONE NOTHING TO SEE IF THE OFFICER HAS QUALIFIED WITH A TASER, THAT OFFICER SHOULD HAVE ONE ANYTIME ONDUTY. THANKS FOP. YOU REALLY WORK HARD FOR US. And another thing is why the heck are we forbidden to purchase a taser for ourselves once we go through training? And, yes there's more, what about the baton training? They issued us a nightstick, and when you want to change over to the new baton, you can't even check into that stupid computer check-in calender. The suburban police departments are ridiculed, but they got there stuff tight as far as weapons go. What is really puzzling is just this year the department authorized those three concealed carry guns and NONE are .45's. WTF? WTF????? I am not a trouble maker on the job, buy holy heck, it seems like we are treated like children sometimes. I like to see us safe, because we are up against some real a-holes out on the streets. And last, but not least....with all the FOP and CPD employee discounts out there with the specials on computers and shows, what about AMMO? ANY DISCOUNTS ON AMMO? Can't the FOP or CPD get us discounted ammo from somewhere? Gee's do I have to draw you a map on how to do things? Hell, we are a law enforcement department, for pete sake.
This is true. Also now, guys who carry wheelguns can carry the rifle.
But POWER test still required for rifle ammunition. Otherwise you just point and yell STOP and then BOOM.
Any gun battle I have been witness to or been there immediately after happened very quickly. No time to go unhitch the rifle, barely enough time to draw a pistol and point and shoot.
Anonymous said...
Hopefully the elite five year wonder girls in the "policy group" will be on short time
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I agree, but before the supernintendo leaves, his "policy group" members will end up in different units.
10:43a.m. You drink at Boss Bar too?
Where is my "I survived J-Fled" ribbon?
One Good Man said...
Sun Times quotes J-Fled as saying he knows he's out. Now, Jodi, is the time to man up. Blast the 'Powers That Be'. Put it all out there!
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Great idea, never gonna happen. One has to think that with all the bullshit every superintendent has had to put up with out of an imbecile like Daley that SOMEONE out of all those bosses would have spoken up about what Daley's pulled on them.... yet they don't.
There's nothing Daley can do to a guy that leaves in disgust, such as Phil Cline let's say. So what could possiblly ensure that none of the supes open their mouths about Daley and his constant interference in the operations of the police department?
Confidentiality agreement. No boss ever gets promoted without insurance, such as unsigned PAR forms filled out prior to promotion with a "get out of dodge" narrative that is pre-signed and kept on file.
No superintendent for that matter ever gets that position without first signing an ironclad confidentiality agreement that forever prohibits them from discussing private conversations and marching orders given to them by Daley. They can't even state that there IS a confidentiality agreement. Daley's been a career criminal all his life and he's been surrounded by the top organized criminals all his life, he was taught at an early age how to prevent the truth from getting out in the open.
You can bet your last dollar that there is no legal way that Weis could open his mouth and tell the press what Daley's said and done in his presence without being sued until he ends up in debtor's prison.
Bank on it. The only way this information could come to light is if it was witness testimony and he was compelled to do so in litigation, and even then there may still be no protection.
Good idea, never gonna happen.
OT--
Channel 7 News just now reported another killing in Chicago -- it hardly matters who or where these days -- and they broadcast that "police are reassuring neighbors that it was not a random act."
Wait a minute. Don't "the police" always "reassure" everybody that the latest horrendous murder WAS "a random act?"
Do the people on television even realize what they're saying from moment to moment? Do the half-crazy viewers, in the middle of being foreclosed on, actually grasp any of it? Does it matter anymore?
Hot = cold.
Light = dark.
Up = down.
...and they still get their check at the end of the week.
It's not like either "random" or "not random" was ever reassuring in the first place.
Weis' "inside/outside" categorization of homicides is just a further refinement of this nonsense. It's all intended to break things down into ever-tinier categories in the hope of obscuring the horrible Big Picture -- the fact that, as your taxes skyrocket, you can't even travel in the high-rent core of the city anymore without being assaulted and bitten by assailants who have reverted to the animal, and who now roam North Michigan Avenue in groups (as reported here) of 200 or more, flashing gang signs in Water Tower Place and stealing purses inside Northwestern Memorial Hospital.
Lost civilization.
Failed social experiment.
Whatever he does now is strictly CYA to curry favor with the new mayor,it seems like he will do anything to keep his job... doesn't he realize that no one should have that job more than 3 years? Well, it isn't surprising because there are so many things he hasn't realized.
Just give me an unmarked and a shotgun.
Anonymous said...
Anna Davalantes is a local gal(Lane Tech grad) done good. One of the few reporters that is very personable & appreciates what we do.
9/09/2010 10:32:00 AM
She was dumped from the PM on Fox, and based upon the ratings for the morning show where there is absolutely no magetism between her and Corey, she'll be at Fox Greenbay soon.
now if he can just get rid of that no good poser mike masters
hey 02:21pm?? you mean 14:21pm duh!! if you want to carry a taser go back to the watch you cry baby,they figure your a bad ass so you dont need one,now go change your diaper.
Tahoos manned by Yahoos!!
Excuse my ignorance, but how was the power test rescinded?
Was there a Fax or email?
And, did the predicative analyses unit predict this?
What ever the reason, good job Jodi!
Good no more power test. Now all we need is them to approve the phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.
Scc, why dont we have shot spotter in out city instead of useless cameras? It's being used with great success in New Jersey Canada and the U.K. It pinpoints exact location of gunfire. Every device works within 1 sq mile radius. http://www.shotspotter.com/solutions/index.html
' And another thing is why the heck are we forbidden to purchase a taser for ourselves once we go through training? And, yes there's more, what about the baton training? They issued us a nightstick, and when you want to change over to the new baton, you can't even check into that stupid computer check-in calender.'
Poster, you are right on the money with this. All depts. should allow their officers to purchase their own personal taser (that meets/matches their Dept. standards) if the respective Dept. cannot afford to supply each officer with one. With regard to collapsible baton training, it used to be if you needed to be certified with it, all you had to do was go down to the Academy or reach out by telephone to Larry Snelling down there, and he would be glad to get you in and have you do the required training, and enter your completion date into the database for you. Since Larry has now been promoted to Sgt., I can't imagine how the Academy will deal with this situation. I would recommend that you contact one of the training Sgts. down at the Academy and see what accomodations can be made for you to get down there and get certified on the collapsible baton training; it make no sense to be on the street with a cumbersome wood baton now.
The ASPS are much more versatile when they are needed to bring a situation under control.
Anonymous said...
And just in time before RayRay becomes a sworn in Lt!
NOW he can add that to his resume too!
Just another fuckin' lawyer posing as a cop
OT--
More on "random/not random."
In Chicago, if you get beaten to death in your garage and your car's stolen, it's "random," and therefore nothing for anyone to worry about.
In Oak Park, if you get beaten to death in your garage and your car's stolen, it's "not random," and therefore nothing for anyone to worry about.
Don't mention it. Glad to have helped clear that up.
http://www.triblocal.com/
Oak_Park_&_River_Forest/detail/217510.html
Mr SCC,
Anyway you could put down a countdown clock on your webpage showing the days and hours to JFleds departure on May 1st?
who are all of the ignorant assholes that had been advising Supt. Asshole going to work for after he leaves. I suspect they will latch onto some new goofball boss
Wow no power test! Sorry I still don't want it! All I want is fled to leave asap that would make all the coppers and all the citizens extremely happy!
The carbine course is by far one of the best. It’s a whole week class in the Academy and Range, you get to shoot a couple of hundred rounds, and you get to go home a little early. That being said, the M4 rifle is easy to shoot, but, gets a little heavy if you’re a weak and small person, and SAFETY is paramount while carrying this weapon. I've seen two Officers failed the test because they couldn't hold the rifle for a short period of time. If you decide to qualify and carry it, because you might think you’ll look cool, you must HOLD it like you GUARD your own life. There are Gang bangers out there who are ex-military and are fully trained in hand to hand combat, that‘s a FACT. Some of you are opposed about the power test, I just hope that you guys have enough strength, are prepared to wrestle, and capable of shooting someone if these gang bangers attack you and grab your weapon.
Tell the papers about: ... I'm sure he signed a lil piece of paper stating he will not discuss police matters publicly.
I've been a firearmsstructor for some time and the Men and Women that come through the carbine program, for the most part have been great to teach. ALL of the instructors are fair and helpful. I hope that this continues, eager students are generally proficient officers and shooters. Let's maintain all of professionalism that we've had up until now. Remember, GOD gives you 28 rounds in that magazine. Consider your background. And be true to yourself.
"...you can't even travel in the high-rent core of the city anymore without being assaulted and bitten by assailants who have reverted to the animal, and who now roam North Michigan Avenue in groups (as reported here) of 200 or more, flashing gang signs in Water Tower Place and stealing purses inside Northwestern Memorial Hospital.
"Lost civilization.
"Failed social experiment."
--9/09/2010 05:58:00 PM
I neglected to add --
"Mayor Daley's enduring legacy."
The old man must be spinning in his grave...
OT
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/2010/09/daleys-name-to-stay-visible-long-after-he-leaves-office.html
read the article and then tell me that it's wrong to give any taggers a pass if they endeavor to correct this blasphemy.
It's about time..........
To those of you who stood your ground CONGRATULATIONS! To those of you who didn't have faith,you should have.
To those people who were f*^$ed over (the guys from area 5) I salute you. Even I thought you guys were crazy and you didn't have a chance you kept to your guns and you proved yourself….. and not just for a selfish reason, but for everyone’s benefit. You get the BIG SALUTE and FOP gets the BIG SALUTE(for stepping up and backing them and pushing the issues) from me! I’ll see you guys on the range and I’ll get the coffee this time.
BIG SALUTES!
Lets hope J-fed has been working undercover all this time for the feds. Just the thought of it would wet the machine pants.
If you can not pass the power test you should be fired... just sayN man, iam not athletic by any means, but can pass da standards after a night of heavy booosen
Anonymous said...
Wow no power test! Sorry I still don't want it! All I want is fled to leave asap that would make all the coppers and all the citizens extremely happy!
9/09/2010 08:52:00 PM
I'm with you brother. The only reason I will now qualify with one is so I can buy my own plus magazines.
"Some of you are opposed about the power test, I just hope that you guys have enough strength, are prepared to wrestle, and capable of shooting someone if these gang bangers attack you and grab your weapon."
--9/09/2010 09:21:00 PM
Excellent point on "weapon retention." Consider; you're grappling No. 1 scum with both hands on the rifle, and No. 2 scum takes advantage of this to dart in and grab your pistol. Not running a gun store for the disadvantaged here.
Possible solution if you're not getting anywhere; suddenly release grip on rifle, violently push/kick/trip No. 1 away, draw pistol as he staggers backwards, and use it on him but good before he can get that M4 turned around any which way, and before #2 can get in close enough to go to work on your gun belt. Recover M4.
Scc, why dont we have shot spotter in out city instead of useless cameras? It's being used with great success in New Jersey Canada and the U.K. It pinpoints exact location of gunfire. Every device works within 1 sq mile radius. http://www.shotspotter.com/solutions/index.html
9/09/2010 07:52:00 PM
there are some in Chicago. Back of the yards has one and gresham. Fucking useless. It cannot diferentiate between fireworks and bazookas. Waste of fucking money. But it sounds cool. Thanks for playing.
"Can't the FOP or CPD get us discounted ammo from somewhere?"
Buy on-line, don't wait for someone else to do it for you. Some on-line companies won't ship to Illinois/People's Republic of Chicago. Some will if you provide ID, some don't care & will ship anywhere. It's out there if you want it.
CPD doesn't even get a discount on THEIR OWN ammo. They buy it from minority contractors that aren't the lowest bidder. (They pay MORE for it!)
I concur 100 Percent with Shaved's most recent posting. The March must be held at City Hall when the City Council is convening for maximum impact.
The only way to have a serious impact is to MARCH AT CITY HALL!
The City Hall March must coincide with a City Council Meeting.
The Media will all be present and the March will be a media spectacle.
The citizens of Chicago will witness the March and can partake in it easily.
From a transportation standpoint City Hall is much more accessible to all.
We can actually see which Alderman come out and really do support us.
Will any future Mayoral candidates us the March at City Hall to launch their campaigns?
I will only partake in a March held at City Hall on a day that the City Council is meeting.
I know what works and what doesn't work. If the FOP will not here the members they can embarrass themselves and say Good Bye!
SCC I'Ve posted several comments advocating for everyone to register their family, frieinds and neighbors to vote. I've suggested that everyone throw out names of people that we respect to lead this department for the new mayor to consider. But I haven't seen the comments posted. What gives?
"POWER Test Dropped for Rifles"
I dropped my rifle once.
Remember, GOD gives you 28 rounds in that magazine. Consider your background. And be true to yourself.
9/09/2010 09:47:00 PM
Wow, I guess Eugene Stoner and Sam Colt didnt have anything to do with that one...
"She was dumped from the PM on Fox, and based upon the ratings for the morning show where there is absolutely no magetism between her and Corey, she'll be at Fox Greenbay soon.
9/09/2010 06:00:00 PM"
WHICH IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TO THE TOPIC. IS THIS CORY'S WIFE POSTING ON THE BLOG? WEIRD.
Scc, why dont we have shot spotter in out city instead of useless cameras? It's being used with great success in New Jersey Canada and the U.K. It pinpoints exact location of gunfire. Every device works within 1 sq mile radius. http://www.shotspotter.com/solutions/index.html
9/09/2010 07:52:00 PM
We do. It is in a busy District and monitored in CPIC. It has had some success too! Like everything nowadays, the biggest obstacle is getting funding to put it in more Districts.
"Just give me an unmarked and a shotgun."
I've killed more game animals than winter starvation. There's definitely a role for different tools, but up close, nothing plays havoc on a living tissue like a shotgun. Nothing. Not a big center fire rifle, not a burst from a subgun (THAT was a fun hog hunt!), nothing.
The shotgun isn't as tacti-cool as the carbine, but if I'm in the middle of the shit and it's up close and personal, a 12 gauge with #4 Buck is what I use.
There are definitely situations where Uncle Bushmaster gets the call-up (dealing with hordes), but for day-to-day, an 870p is my go-to stick and that won't be changing until they invent a death ray.
SCC I'Ve posted several comments advocating for everyone to register their family, frieinds and neighbors to vote. I've suggested that everyone throw out names of people that we respect to lead this department for the new mayor to consider. But I haven't seen the comments posted. What gives?
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Maybe you aren't looking in the right places - we posted all those that popped up here. We'll check the blogger issues board. Sometimes they have technical difficulties that we can't control.
.....ha, ha, ha. WTF? I admire the turn-around decision. You know it was all bullsh*t to begin with. But you still have got to qualify with the damn thing. And what about keeping the thing loaded? Jesus, there's like five steps to load the sumbitch when you want to shoot. What a joke. My .45 is ready to go. And as long as we're talking about weaponry, what about these tasers? Our team qualified for the tasers in the summer and only the watch has got them. Try to check one out and they look at you half-cocked. One to a car. WTF? Also some watch commanders are opposed to let you check one out when you press the issue. The system ain't perfect and will never be, but officer safety is. THE FOP HAS DONE NOTHING TO SEE IF THE OFFICER HAS QUALIFIED WITH A TASER, THAT OFFICER SHOULD HAVE ONE ANYTIME ONDUTY. THANKS FOP. YOU REALLY WORK HARD FOR US. And another thing is why the heck are we forbidden to purchase a taser for ourselves once we go through training? And, yes there's more, what about the baton training? They issued us a nightstick, and when you want to change over to the new baton, you can't even check into that stupid computer check-in calender. The suburban police departments are ridiculed, but they got there stuff tight as far as weapons go. What is really puzzling is just this year the department authorized those three concealed carry guns and NONE are .45's. WTF? WTF????? I am not a trouble maker on the job, buy holy heck, it seems like we are treated like children sometimes. I like to see us safe, because we are up against some real a-holes out on the streets. And last, but not least....with all the FOP and CPD employee discounts out there with the specials on computers and shows, what about AMMO? ANY DISCOUNTS ON AMMO? Can't the FOP or CPD get us discounted ammo from somewhere? Gee's do I have to draw you a map on how to do things? Hell, we are a law enforcement department, for pete sake.
9/09/2010 02:21:00 PM
yes, we are a law enforcement agency. it is an ugly business. we deal with the scum of the earth. we deal with arrresting people and that act takes away their freedom. you have made solid great points. you say things that most of us have tired out on time after time. lawsuits would help when things go bad. case in point is the behaviorial program we are still waiting to be vindicated on. the fop is clueless. i can agree it takes an accident to get things done right. those three guns you talk about are not in .45 caliber because of someone that is clueless. a .45 has stopping power and someone in charge just doesn't know any better. change takes time. good luck in getting anything changed the way we know how it goes. why no one has ever talked to working hands on coppers before they write the orders or approve certain things is beyond me.
It's all academic B.S. !!
A.)There aren't enough rifles to go around the districts.
B.) Attempting to get to a rifle that is secured in the trunk during an emergency is suicide due to the faulty locking mech.
C.) Where is the money for these new weapons gonna come from,let alone for the ammo to train with them going to come from? Now it's buy your own ?
(each Dept. weapon that p.o's are trained with has a 9mm conversion kit on it.)
To little to late !!
We the few ,are once again expected to do more with less.
Unless with are suddenly graced with a military surplus of reconditioned M4's and several hundred pallets of ammo, it doesn't amount to much !!
Remember,this is still the same,"cryin broke" dept. with a shortage of bodies and crappy vehs.
Side note. The folks at DS arms, you know the place Jesse protested awhile back, are offering a great deal to CPD. $725 for a M4, if it breaks they'll fix it free, if it get destroyed at work for any reason they will replace it for free. If it gets stolen while at work, they will give you a new one. Great guarantee for police only. These are the guys that had manure dumped all around their business when Jesse came to protest them. Funny shit. Good people, supporters of the police. Call them direct let them know what you want and they will let you know when it is ready.
"Can't the FOP or CPD get us discounted ammo from somewhere?"
have you tried cheaperthandirt.com? a lot of cool toys for good prices. I believe they ship ammo to IL.
Buy on-line, don't wait for someone else to do it for you. Some on-line companies won't ship to Illinois/People's Republic of Chicago. Some will if you provide ID, some don't care & will ship anywhere. It's out there if you want it.
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Not from any of the actual discounters it ain't. You may be able to find some backwoods goof that may or may not actually ship it to you for a nickle less than what you can pay for it in the next town, but none of the sources that actually sell it CHEAPER than Cabelas or Shore will ship to Chicago. With or without a police ID.
Anonymous said...
"Some of you are opposed about the power test, I just hope that you guys have enough strength, are prepared to wrestle, and capable of shooting someone if these gang bangers attack you and grab your weapon."
SLIDE THE TRAILING FOOT FORWARD>>>>>>>>
SMASH !!!!
Colt 6920 is the one to get,everything else is an imatation.
"She was dumped from the PM on Fox, and based upon the ratings for the morning show where there is absolutely no magetism between her and Corey, she'll be at Fox Greenbay soon.
9/09/2010 06:00:00 PM"
WHICH IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TO THE TOPIC. IS THIS CORY'S WIFE POSTING ON THE BLOG? WEIRD.
9/09/2010 11:40:00 PM
Really keep that shit off our blog if it is not related to OUR job and OUR police officers go pound sand. Got dropped from Fox!!! Who f-ing cares... Just report the news and we will watch it or not.
Anonymous said...
The carbine course is by far one of the best. It’s a whole week class in the Academy and Range, you get to shoot a couple of hundred rounds, and you get to go home a little early. That being said, the M4 rifle is easy to shoot, but, gets a little heavy if you’re a weak and small person, and SAFETY is paramount while carrying this weapon. I've seen two Officers failed the test because they couldn't hold the rifle for a short period of time. If you decide to qualify and carry it, because you might think you’ll look cool, you must HOLD it like you GUARD your own life. There are Gang bangers out there who are ex-military and are fully trained in hand to hand combat, that‘s a FACT. Some of you are opposed about the power test, I just hope that you guys have enough strength, are prepared to wrestle, and capable of shooting someone if these gang bangers attack you and grab your weapon.
9/09/2010 09:21:00 PM
Your correct, I was in Navy from 77-82, promoted all the way to E-7,Carry a .45 Glock, don't want the shit that the city will put your through when you use the M4! In close quarters which is most of our shots a semi-auto is best,longer range of course the rifle,then again that is why we have SWAT!
Who gives a fling %^$#. I've had mine for years and years, and I wont use it to keep chicago from burning, but come to my house to burn it and I will scalp your ass from 100 meters. Selfish yes, but I was not born that way, learned it from my experiences with the people of chicago and its leadership in CPD
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Anonymous said...
"Some of you are opposed about the power test, I just hope that you guys have enough strength, are prepared to wrestle, and capable of shooting someone if these gang bangers attack you and grab your weapon."<<<
FIXX!! BAYONETS!!!
Buy on-line, don't wait for someone else to do it for you. Some on-line companies won't ship to Illinois/People's Republic of Chicago. Some will if you provide ID, some don't care & will ship anywhere. It's out there if you want it.
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Not from any of the actual discounters it ain't. You may be able to find some backwoods goof that may or may not actually ship it to you for a nickle less than what you can pay for it in the next town, but none of the sources that actually sell it CHEAPER than Cabelas or Shore will ship to Chicago. With or without a police ID.
9/10/2010 07:20:00 AM
You're just wrong. Obviously you've never looked. Stop giving advice before you make someone dumber than you.
"Not from any of the actual discounters it ain't. You may be able to find some backwoods goof that may or may not actually ship it to you for a nickle less than what you can pay for it in the "next town, but none of the sources that actually sell it CHEAPER than Cabelas or Shore will ship to Chicago. With or without a police ID."
Not quite true. I've ordered several guns online. They get sent to an FFL dealer in this state. You pay a transfer fee to the FFL for doing it a very common thing for gun enthusiasts to do. (I use the guy in Melrose Park, Suburban Sports he charges $25.) Go in and fill out the usual paperwork, wait the 24 hours, and go pick it up. Some VERY good deals are to be found online.
"The folks at DS arms, you know the place Jesse protested awhile back...These are the guys that had manure dumped all around their business when Jesse came to protest them. Funny shit. Good people, supporters of the police."
--9/10/2010 04:30:00 AM
That was a riot. The Jackson/Pfleger axis collected up a whole bunch of people who'd never even seen a tree before and bused them waaay out into Cow S__t Land. It must have been terrifying for them -- no alleys or gangways to run down, no hallways to hide in, no place to get a 40-dog or some flamin'-hots...
Off Topic:
Hey SCC, just a suggestion:
How bout a post about a new Supt. from within, who is capable and qualified and list reasons pro and con for said candidate.
we know Jfled will ride it out till February when his contract expires, so how bout doing our own Star Search or Gold Star Search for a new Supt. from within the ranks, IF there is one qualified....
9/09/2010 01:41:00 PM
Commander Martin of 013. Admired and respected by officers and citizens alike. Fair and direct, no BS.
"Some of you are opposed about the power test, I just hope that you guys have enough strength, are prepared to wrestle, and capable of shooting someone if these gang bangers attack you and grab your weapon."
--9/09/2010 09:21:00 PM
This stupid comment reminds me of what a woman taking part in one of those Citizen's Academy programs last winter said to the range guy after he defended the power test in the same manner.
It was something along the lines of "Sorry, but I don't believe that a police officer with a rifle would let a shithead get that close to him. Isn't that kind of the whole point of having rifles in the cars?"
I was just standing around waiting to shoot when this tour came through, but that woman (obviously a well-paid professional, btw) made my night. Given her use of "shithead" she must be related to a cop.
A.)There aren't enough rifles to go around the districts.
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There are five rifles for each district. In some districts they all go out each watch. In others only some or none.
B.) Attempting to get to a rifle that is secured in the trunk during an emergency is suicide due to the faulty locking mech.
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If the situation warrants you use you pistol immediately then do so. Provide your partner cover to get the carbine. It takes less than 15 seconds at a slow walk to arm yourself with it when the lock works. When it does not it takes less than twenty. If that is too long then by all means use your pistol.
C.) Where is the money for these new weapons gonna come from,let alone for the ammo to train with them going to come from? Now it's buy your own ?
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There has well been over a thousand POs trained in a timespan of over two years. The training weapons are already in place as is the ammo. It is not now "buy your own". It has been "you have the option to buy your own" since mid september of 2008
(each Dept. weapon that p.o's are trained with has a 9mm conversion kit on it.)
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That is false. If you want proof go to the academy range and have an instructor show you the training rifles chambered in 556. They also have 9mm and 22 cal carbines available for POs to practice with as the backstop of the academy range is not rated for rifle fire. For the 40 hour carbine class each student shoots several hundred rounds of 556. Ask them.
To little to late !!
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See above
We the few ,are once again expected to do more with less.
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See above
Unless with are suddenly graced with a military surplus of reconditioned M4's and several hundred pallets of ammo, it doesn't amount to much !!
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See above. Maybe you should take the class, or failing that actually extend the effort to talk to someone who has, before posting baseless critisism and falsehoods. Is the program perfect? Of course not but it is more than a step in the right direction.
Remember,this is still the same,"cryin broke" dept. with a shortage of bodies and crappy vehs.
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So there is no carbine program? There havent been over a thousand trained? You dont have the option to buy your own? Each district doesnt have 5? You should really at least talk to someone before you post.
May I carry my M1A??
Not from any of the actual discounters it ain't. You may be able to find some backwoods goof that may or may not actually ship it to you for a nickle less than what you can pay for it in the next town, but none of the sources that actually sell it CHEAPER than Cabelas or Shore will ship to Chicago. With or without a police ID.
9/10/2010 07:20:00 AM
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/index.php
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-Bravo-Company-Rifle-Carbine-M4-AR15-M16-s/140.htm
.)There aren't enough rifles to go around the districts.
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There are five rifles for each district. In some districts they all go out each watch. In others only some or none.
B.) Attempting to get to a rifle that is secured in the trunk during an emergency is suicide due to the faulty locking mech.
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If the situation warrants you use you pistol immediately then do so. Provide your partner cover to get the carbine. It takes less than 15 seconds at a slow walk to arm yourself with it when the lock works. When it does not it takes less than twenty. If that is too long then by all means use your pistol.
C.) Where is the money for these new weapons gonna come from,let alone for the ammo to train with them going to come from? Now it's buy your own ?
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There has well been over a thousand POs trained in a timespan of over two years. The training weapons are already in place as is the ammo. It is not now "buy your own". It has been "you have the option to buy your own" since mid september of 2008
(each Dept. weapon that p.o's are trained with has a 9mm conversion kit on it.)
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That is false. If you want proof go to the academy range and have an instructor show you the training rifles chambered in 556. They also have 9mm and 22 cal carbines available for POs to practice with as the backstop of the academy range is not rated for rifle fire. For the 40 hour carbine class each student shoots several hundred rounds of 556. Ask them.
To little to late !!
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See above
We the few ,are once again expected to do more with less.
--------------------------------
See above
Unless with are suddenly graced with a military surplus of reconditioned M4's and several hundred pallets of ammo, it doesn't amount to much !!
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See above. Maybe you should take the class, or failing that actually extend the effort to talk to someone who has, before posting baseless critisism and falsehoods. Is the program perfect? Of course not but it is more than a step in the right direction.
Remember,this is still the same,"cryin broke" dept. with a shortage of bodies and crappy vehs.
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So there is no carbine program? There havent been over a thousand trained? You dont have the option to buy your own? Each district doesnt have 5? You should really at least talk to someone before you post.
9/10/2010 07:52:00 PM
"So there is no carbine program? There havent been over a thousand trained? You dont have the option to buy your own? Each district doesnt have 5? You should really at least talk to someone before you post."
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This is my second attempt at posting a reply,though shorter than the first ,it should suffice.
I assumed because the city had cut the allowance for handgun practice ammo for every officer there would be a similar problem with rifle ammo.Until now ,due to numerous I.O.D's I have been unable to take or pass the power test.
I took your advice found out that I was wrong and misspoke,in my initial posting. I have the integrity to admit it. While some rifles are in .9mm and .22 cal p.o.'s are indeed trained with 5.56 at the one range in area 5,though you can not just walk in to practice,you are trained there.
Yes ,there has been the option to purchase your own rifle( if you could afford to) ,but the ability to register it WAS dependant upon passing the power test as well as course of fire.
As you are obviously well versed in the carbine program I would,sincerely ask you some questions and hopefully you can answer them for me.
How is it that the time of "15 seconds at a slow walk ,twenty if the locking mech. malfunctions." was arrived at?
Will only 10-4 units be permitted to carry carbines? If your a 99 unit,and have need to go to your sidearm as you attempt to make your way to the trunk of your veh. while in a stress situation ,using the key could be difficult,not to mention,how many times I've tried to push the trunk release inside a squad only to have it not fuction.(despite the fact it worked five minutes before)
One thousand officers trained in two years; Given. How long will it take to train the rest of the dept.? Is it possible to train another thousand within the next two months? How many veh. per dist. per watch have working racks?
My comments:"To little to late." as well as we the few.",well those I offer that they are fact.
The solution,is not in the weapon,but with having"boots on the ground".Supt. Weis talks about cameras in cars. What cars,the ones cobbled together from various wrecks and held together by duct tape,with bald tires?
Officers continue to work 99 in fast districts. Cars are downed due to lack of manpower,and the numbers game continues.
I NEVER said there was NOT a program. As yet, I have been unable to sign up for said class ,due to a computer problem ,I'm told.When will it be resolved?
Crying broke:See the last contract.
Moral and manpower,remain the issues that must be addressed.
I would like to be able to go out and do the job that I raised my hand and took an oath for over a decade ago. To be able to go out and do honest aggressive (not violent or abusive) police work with the backing of the dept.,and actually help people without fear of being thrown under a bus for voicing my opinion OR for doing my job. Hopefully on that much we can agree.
I look forward to your reply.
So there is no carbine program?
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I Never said there was no program.
I've twice tried to reply to your post ,but have been redirected away from the page. admit I was wrong on some points ,but maintain others. will try to post a reply some other time. As I do have questions ,and seek a genuine ,and intellectual exchange if your willing. look forward to your input.
So there is no carbine program?
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I hope that you will find t hetime to respond to my questions,just as you found time to respond to my post.
So there is no carbine program?
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Is it safe to assume that answersto my questions will not be forth coming ?!!
Thank you "Boss" for your input.
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