More Shortages?
Anyone out there remember this quote? We know you old timers do:
- "We had to destroy the village in order to save it."
It's a bastardization of an un-sourced quote during the Vietnam War. We're going to update it after yesterday's Sun Times tongue bath:
- "We had to destroy the Patrol Division in order to save it."
This is propaganda to save J-Fled, no doubt about it:
Police Supt. Jody Weis believes the Mobile Strike Force is key to Chicago's 4.5 percent drop in crime through September. That's why the department is planning to expand the citywide unit -- even though critics say the strategy has depleted the ranks of cops who patrol in beat cars.
"Do we need more beat cars? Absolutely," Roussell said recently at his Mobile Strike Force headquarters on the West Side. "But this is a big bang for the buck. . . . We're there to take some of the pressure off the beat cops."
Really? We got an e-mail from someone's I-phone tonight:
- Just this very evening, we were in a backlog. Hours long. Lunch denied once again. During a hurried trip into [the station] for a bathroom break, what should appear? Six officers processing a three bag weed arrest.
How is that relieving anything? Answer - it isn't. And now they want to make a fourth platoon permanent and start a fifth? Who's going to man the cars? Where we work, we're downing two beat cars most nights. Some other districts are reporting four and five per cars unmanned nightly. When does it end?
Units like this work only when the staffing is adequate. It isn't. It hasn't been for years. It isn't improving. This is a band-aid on a gaping, sucking chest wound.
Units like this work only when the staffing is adequate. It isn't. It hasn't been for years. It isn't improving. This is a band-aid on a gaping, sucking chest wound.
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posted by SCC at 12:22 AM
141 Comments:
They are doing it for one reason and one reason only. To create a company for Ray Ray so he can get out of the district.
"band-aid on a gaping, sucking chest wound"
So many more idioms to choose from...
Shuffling deck chairs on the Titanic
Robbing Peter to pay Paul
Can't see the forest for the trees
Bite off more than one can chew
Caught short
At cross purposes
The lying bastards saying they take the pressure off the beat cars. By what? Bringing in one baggers all night?
And Sean, you are a nice guy but nobody says "here come the 44s!". Don't be a h j.
MSF? Give 'em all fatigues, Mausers, and steel helmets marked "POLICIA ESPECIAL," load 'em a dozen to a stake-bed truck like they do in South America, and let them ride around shooting at things.
Jody gets a big crown cap with a solid-gold sunburst on the front, Ray-Ban Aviators, and a swagger stick.
After a while, people start noticing mysterious helicopter flights out over the lake at night, with the grandmothers of vanished dissident ward committeemen holding up pictures of "the disappeared" as they circle Daley Plaza every Sunday afternoon in their black dresses.
"Don't cry for me, Argentina..."
You cannot outwit mathematics.
The reason the US won World War II or why North beat the South wasn't because one side had fiercer warriors, it wasn't because one side had some sort of logistical genius, it wasn't because one side exhibited markedly superior planning, strategy or skill.
It was because one side had overwhelming resources, while the other didn't and eventually, ran out.
There was a great story in WW2 about a German officer who was one of the first men on scene of a downed American plane. It was a mail plane.
They retrieved the cargo for further examination. It was *filled* with packages from home- cakes, cookies, candy, goodies- being sent to the men on the lines from their families back home.
The German officer realized that there was just no way for them to win this war. While he couldn't call in an air strike on an enemy position because they were too short on fuel, the Americans were burning fuel to fly around cake.
This is how you win wars. You overwhelm with superior resources. Yes, you plan, you strategize, you innovate, but you first must have adequate resources to attack the problem, so intimidatingly large in nature that it dampens the will of your enemy to resist. This applies to street cops, to.
Politicians are notorious for confusing correlation and causation whenever the stats break in their favor, by attributing 'statistical decreases in crime' to whatever harebrained scheme they devised, without bothering to dig one layer deeper and see what sort of statistical contribution their plan actually made to the overall numbers.
Decrease in crime? Oh, it must be because of that one protocol we developed that one time!!!!
It's all bullshit.
There is no discussion, there is no debate. There is no outwitting the immutable laws of statistical probability with tactical artifice.
WE NEED MORE RESOURCES, WHICH MEANS WE NEED MORE MEN.
We cannot logically attribute any decreases in crime to much of anything they've done thus far (since there is no concrete evidence to suggest any of it has worked to any meaningful degree), but we can safely presume that any and all increases in crime-types may be attributed to a lack of responsive police power.
Cliff Notes: It's bullshit.
SCC, Hope you pt in a slip for not taking your lunch. Dont give this city a f@@@@@@ thing for free...
Do more with less seems to be the new CPD motto. Unrelated topic. R. Brady 009th dist retired today on his 63rd birthday... happy birthday and good luck !
They're trying to save their jobs at any expense.
"We're there to take some of the pressure off the beat cops."
Really? We got an e-mail from someone's I-phone tonight:
Just this very evening, we were in a backlog. Hours long. Lunch denied once again. During a hurried trip into [the station] for a bathroom break, what should appear? Six officers processing a three bag weed arrest.
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#1 Put the phone away.
#2 Quit waiting for OEMC to present you with Police work. There is plenty of $hit all around you to "look" into without having a dispatcher to find you something.
#2 Really? Thats all you got? Here six MSF Officers took proactive actions and made an arrest and you whine?? Its cold out, the City has been saved (this is meant to get a chuckle), and the thugs arent out as much. You should of walked over to the MSF Officers and "thanked" them for all the help! They are out there everynight turning over rocks weeding out the criminals and responding to "Officer needs an assist" calls! They may not get out if its under control (no stepping on toes theory)but if they will unlike some District Officers who never seem to show... Today a bag of weed, tomorrow a convicted felon with a gun, an agg battery offender or maybe a group of "bangers" of a corner on your Beat. Quit whinning about working in a District you dont like. Make a bid move or get a friend who can get you there. MSF guys chose to do something rather than just sit and bit&h in a District. I guess your activity or resume didnt cut it for you to get into MSF? Maybe a little less complaining and more self promotion,,,(ex. Make an arrest or two, sign up for training when its offered (again and again till you get it with your time otj). Quit being a slacker and bosses will notice. Crying like a baby can only start once you get where you wanna be (this just happens).... otherwise expect to be remembered for that and go no where! THANKS TO THE OUTSIDE UNITS FOR ANY/ALL ASSISTANCE GIVEN IN THE DISTRICTS. 10th District Ranger! Come visit anytime! A little more competition is always welcome!!!
Another stupid idea by the mindless idiots that are running this department into the ground! We cannot even man all the beat cars on midnights in Area 4 or 5, are not allowed to have any more one officer cars on midnights. To top it off, MSF and TRU do not work in these Areas because the "think tank" doesn't think they are needed up here.
So how do they plan on helping us out with these problems? Take more officers out of these short districts, and put them into a unit that won't help those districts out!
Morons!
No units like this work when they actually lock up real criminals. You know the Guy with the pistol or the Guy robbing people. Not the piss bum drinking. Or the Guy that just bought the niclke of weed. Arrests for the sake of arrests serve no purpose.
but,"We have a carbine program."
Three bag weed arrest?
I bet they get some commendations for that. Perhaps a merit promotion or three.
Here's how to handle minor dope arrests. If a vehicle is involved put the bag on top of the vehicle open. Tell the driver to move on. Weed disappears into the wind.
Since the city essentially decriminalized small amounts of weed anyway and since the country is slowly moving to decriminalize or legalize small amounts why not use your vaunted discretion and ignore it?
What good did taking those three bags off the street accomplish?
I know it apparently took 6 cops off the street for a few hours and that's clearly not good.
I know the arrested would likely have been much happier and less dangerous sitting at home getting toasted than sitting in a lockup awaiting transportation.
Waste of time and money and by taking themselves off the streets those non patrol "warriors" made it a bit more dangerous for everyone else out there.
Six officers processing a three bag weed arrest.
I love those. Watch out now, the real police are on the job.....
Master Plan (part I) Hey! Why not? All we have to do is just keep on creating new platoons until we've depleted the Districts!!!!! Just think about it: no more "beats" or "sectors" just "deployment areas???" That recent thread about the deployment areas in Fillmore was verrrrrrry telling. It showed that, once the manufacturing and abandoned areas were removed, that the ENTIRE 011TH DISTRICT was one big deployment area. Maybe that's the key! Mobile Strike Force officers from Madison North and Targeted Response Unit from Madison South. TRU will roam the Englewood Highlands and such, (as demanded by whichever Reverund) deploying the finest in urban law enforcement. MSF'ers will descend upon the MLDs, SD's and even spend a little more time in the Homelands watching for miscreants.
Don't you see it??? This just might be where they're going with this? Bid into MSF? Hey......that's a spot you WANT!! So now we can treat you like shit, change your work hours (pretty much at will), change your DOG and walk over the union-protected rights that a lot of prestigious and well-respected police officers fought hard to get. Everything bad about working in a "unit" (there are a few) will be used liberally but not too much as to make you want to bail.
Once the guys find they've traded "being tied to the radio" for long lunches, lots of training, a duckaroo every now and then, they swear they'll NEVER go back. Stay in the deployment zone or you're outta here. "Aye aye, sir" and a quick salute and you'll actually STAY THERE. Police Officers Bill of Rights? Hard-won contractual agreements? They'll give them back in a heartbeat in order to tell their "unit" buddies how they were the shit when they were in (insert "fast" district here.)
Divide and Conquer! Leave the districts for the old patrolmen who could care less about wearing shorts, baseball caps or oh-so-cool radio ear sets. They wanna put in their 8 (whoops 8.5 now) and go home. Let these old gasbags take those boring domestics and traffic accidents. Burglar alarms? As if. You wouldn't expect a member of an Elite Unit like MSF or TRU to lower him/herself to have to write an ANOV for a false alarm.
Master Plan (Part II) Jody's master plan is simple. Have the department in a state of agitation where it would closely resemble Civil War. He made sure we got the M4’s. Ahhhhhhh...but you had to pass the Power Test to be able to even qualify for the training to be able to USE it. He brought in the Tahoes. He switched our miserable 6-day-week schedule for a 4-day-week. Only problem: the new “fancy pants” schedules have a built-in overlap to provide more cops out in the times most needed. So now there are more cops on duty than there are vehicles. Best way to create dissention among the ranks? Fuck with their wheels. Guys are getting to work an hour early to get the keys of a Tahoe and would slit the throat of their best friends if it meant working an SUV...like Moms. (The new schedule also meant that no beat could keep any one car. Now cars are assigned arbitrarily, first-come, first served basis. No regular cars mean that the guys who treat beat cars like their personal trash cans now get to do it to ALL the cars, not just one. Cars with only 40K are falling apart, rattling like a Model-T but no one to care enough to call in for R-service. More agitation. More stress.
Jody was sent here to drive a stake through the heart of the greatest Law Enforcement agency on Earth. Well, OK…..one of the best. Everything is one step forward, two steps back. MSF and TRU are full of good guys who work their asses off and make good arrests. The Department hates those "old school" guys who make WAY too much $$$. We'll get to create enough animosity between the troops to have them at each others throats.
Strangely, MSF and TRU units have ASSIGNED cars. Pride in your ride. You'd have to be an asshole to push around a beat car.
Divide and conquer. Soon divided and conquered. We've gotta keep the CPD family strong just long enough till this weasel is out of here. We need a POLICEMAN who knows about leadership and can make us whole again.
The only way this will work is if they eliminate foot guys and downtown has to decrease the amount of beat cars that need to be up each tour. Eliminate the tact teams and put them back in beat cars. Also, downtown must stop the push for bs numbers. All they should care about is that crime decreases. So, stop the bs numbers game so we don't have tact cars running around making reckless conduct arrests or 1 baggers.
Lets keep it real this is 2010. Hire more police and get rid of the bs tact teams and the bs little hidden units that do nothing to prevent crime. The only thing the MSF units are good for is to saturate an area. Also, the MSF unit is also a way for the department to get around contractual agreements because MSF is voluntary just like tact, so they can shit on you and people do not complain because they do not want to lose their spot. Same old bs as usual.
Don't forget the old GOING IN WITH T.V.B Come ON How many times in 004have we've had "units" there and no Blowmestics no Mentals no Groups fighting 3bags try 1 bag We dont drive around in packs of 3 squads Its Mono-vs Dumbass one on One Fuc$$off and retire Commander Wannbe Swartzcoff Tell your guys be the police
No beat cars for domestic disturbances and all the rest of that shit. BUT...
Three M.S.F. cars, 6 P.O.s for two and a half hours on one mope for drinking a can of beer on the street.
We were hoping that Jody wasn't going to do any more damage on his way out.
Officer safety comes first. Always. Those two words should be used more often.
C'mon down to Br 35 any day of the week. Look at all the Class B and Class C weed cases these special-hard-chargers bring in.
It's a bullshit numbers game. It's all about heads at 35th St.
I loved how the Sun Times article said that they took some of the pressure off of patrol. Ok how many reports do they do in the Districts they visit? Answer 0. The District is in a backlog all night because patrol is short, and you wonder why guys do not want to do any extra anymore. Cars are running non stop all night and the best these guys do is come on the air and say we need a paper car over here. Kind of like those cop shows when they say, "the uniforms will be here to take your report". Meanwhile we super heroes have to fly now. I can't wait until a real Sup puts the control and the people back where they belong in the District Under the command of the DC and the WC. Remember the incident teams. The people in the District know who and where the problems are, let them have at it with the proper staff. When was the last time you had all the rapids up in your District? They are all in MSF
In my humble opinion, it seems that everything since J-Fled has been "special" "elite" "exclusive" etc. translated I, me, mine. Which is all EGO and clearly an extension of Weis' personality. Everything he touches is about GLORY. And real heroes are never about glory. The CPD is a DEPARTMENT made up of many who serve quietly, diligently and honorably.
He doesn't get that, never got that, never will get it and is why he has been a completely horseshit Supt.
---not a cop
Six officers processing a one bag arrest does a lot more than a 10-4 unit dogging disturbance call for and hour then running it into lunch. Give the six officers making an arrest over the 10-4 unit staying down on a battery report any day of the week.
That's how it helps
Yep...for the past week, we've been short two beat cars on mids and I'll bet many districts are in the same boat.
In all my years on the job, I've never seen it this bad,that is so many HEALTHY,sworn officers working inside and the things I see them doing unrelated to police work...it turns my stomach.
I said it before and I will say it again, this is the city's way of undermining the contract and addressing that political hot potato called beat realignment. Any officer who goes along with it is just helping the city undermine their own contract and protections. You officers think your being slick and getting out of patrol when in actuality you officers are just hurting yourselves in the long run. Stupid, stupid, stupid!
the back logs are a pain in the butt when they start denying personals and lunches---- much worse is when time due gets denied--- nobody knows a district better than the guys who work there every day--- most of these outside units come in not knowing the spots or the players--- anyone can stop cars all night and eventually you will turn something up--- we need bodies in patrol handling service calls, not more eye candy for j-fled.....
Who is patrolling where Commander Roussell lives? Remember if your family calls 911 the response will be very slow. Beat cars are either down or in RAP. Maybe they will do away with beat cars and have everyone on a team? More bang for the buck until no one responds to a 911 call. Patrol, the shithole of the department.
You have bicycles. What a good way to get to know those on the beat.
sorry but MSF is a joke. They sit on lunch for the first 3 hrs of their tour generally in groups of 6-8 I might add while the beat guys handle all the jobs in the district. Then when done with their nice lunch they get a one bag weed arrest and pad their bullshit pussy ass numbers. They arent doing shit to help the districts. Its a fucking joke
What is happening is a way to get around taking police officers from not so busy districts and sending them to busy districts without politically damaging the alderman and the ilk in those wards. Blame the citywide units, not the local politicians. Sneaky sneaky.
It should all fall on their supervisors. The Cmdr should hold his Sgts more accountable.
We used to have all our cars up two man as well as a few rapids. Now we are downing most if not all of the rapids and one of the wagons. We can barely cover all the school dismissal and school athletic event details and we are required to dedicate disrict rsources to cover our " deployment zones" every night. Maybe they will take away more officers for MSF so that we don't have to cover our own deployment zones. Of course then we will have no one to man our beat cars but that's ok because those big bad MSF officers are so much more qualified and important than us lowly beat slugs so the citizens will get their " bang for the buck'. Too bad MSF can't help with the schools but then their hours don't coincide with our districts busy times. Once again great deployment of resources by those that know better that the working police.
One of the biggest mistakes made long before Jody ws to disband school patrol. A few people from each district taken for a school unit might deplete manpower but it would actually free up district resources unlike the rest of our specialized units that take absolutely no pressure off the beat cars no matter what Roussel may say. Come om Jimmy you worked a busy district you know better!!!
We are not short! Called the 003rd district last night at 2000 hours to make a notification,and ask for a beat car to notify parents of child we had in custody the reply "Sorry we only have 2 yes 2 beat cars manned and they are very busy"! Incredible but true! And now another bullshit msf unit great job jfled great job masters X3!!
Does CPD need a Commander to run MSF ? Six Officers processing a narcotic arrest , after a 30 - 60 min roll call , 15-30 min travel time to lunch location , 1 - 2 hour lunch , 30 min to report to assigned district , 2 hrs to process an arrest and my goodness does the day fly by , time to head back to check off early.
When will IAD review the GPS of MSF , TRU , GEU and let our Superintendent and Commanders know how hard officers in units work.
no radio assignments , long lunches and alot of early ducks ,how many are late everyday
it doesn't matter , units are the elite , patrol division is the backbone of CPD but officers are often refused lunch , work 10-99 on 1st and 3rd watches ,but no one cares
our superintendent doesn't have a clue , maybe walter jacobson could follow a few cars around and see the wasted man hours
Ah, yes: but it gives the brass something to talk about, see?
Who wants to talk about hum-drum patrol car style policing? The newspapers don't report that as "hey ain't that cool" stuff.
Sticking to your knitting is bad publicity. And who cares if 90% of your people feel devalued and get overwhelmed because of it? Getting your name in the paper is WAY better.
#1 Put the phone away.
#2 Quit waiting for OEMC to present you with Police work. There is plenty of $hit all around you to "look" into without having a dispatcher to find you something.
#2 Really? Thats all you got? Here six MSF Officers took proactive actions and made an arrest and you whine?? Its cold out, the City has been saved (this is meant to get a chuckle), and the thugs arent out as much. You should of walked over to the MSF Officers and "thanked" them for all the help! They are out there everynight turning over rocks weeding out the criminals and responding to "Officer needs an assist" calls! They may not get out if its under control (no stepping on toes theory)but if they will unlike some District Officers who never seem to show... Today a bag of weed, tomorrow a convicted felon with a gun, an agg battery offender or maybe a group of "bangers" of a corner on your Beat. Quit whinning about working in a District you dont like. Make a bid move or get a friend who can get you there. MSF guys chose to do something rather than just sit and bit&h in a District. I guess your activity or resume didnt cut it for you to get into MSF? Maybe a little less complaining and more self promotion,,,(ex. Make an arrest or two, sign up for training when its offered (again and again till you get it with your time otj). Quit being a slacker and bosses will notice. Crying like a baby can only start once you get where you wanna be (this just happens).... otherwise expect to be remembered for that and go no where! THANKS TO THE OUTSIDE UNITS FOR ANY/ALL ASSISTANCE GIVEN IN THE DISTRICTS. 10th District Ranger! Come visit anytime! A little more competition is always welcome!!!
Hey 010th district ranger, ha ha! Your a pud if you believe that! Get a clue!
What the hell is a 10th District Ranger?
Get over yourself, you got a little brown stuff right there on the tip of your nose.
WTF?!!
Are these MSF supervisors serious? "Der go dem 4200 boys?"
I have never seen a 4200 car in the middle of any kind of street stop. Never seen them with 4-5 guys on the hood. I have never seen them in Area One bringing in suspects or witnesses on murders.
Roussell is a typical J-Fled stooge. Have a bunch of cars saturate an area and do NOTHING. If nothing happens he's on the phone in the morning telling Weis the great job that they did. If something happens? He'll pick a car and throw them under the bus by telling Weis that he monitored their GPS and found them to be out of the designated area.
These clowns applaud for themselves at roll call if there were no incidents in their designated area the previous day.
Someone ask Roussell to check the GPS on his cars around 2200 hours and see if he can figure out why all his cars seem to be next to each other in the parking lot of a well know donutery.
Everyone knows MSF is a joke. Everyone but them. Someone from MSF will respond to this comment telling me to fuck off. That they are hard chargers that bring in something every night. Hey. Contact cards don't count.
These clowns belong in beat cars in the district.
Memo to the MSF hard chargers:
For eighteen years I've seen hard working members of watches work aggressively and make good part one arrests between the time spent handling jobs. Yeah they did both.
But alas, it's the CPD so useless units like MSF will continue and take able bodies out of districts city wide.
The only ones you guys are fooling are yourselves.
Anonymous said...
Six officers processing a one bag arrest does a lot more than a 10-4 unit dogging disturbance call for and hour then running it into lunch. Give the six officers making an arrest over the 10-4 unit staying down on a battery report any day of the week.
That's how it helps
10/06/2010 07:19:00 AM
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Sure. Let's do a little math first. You have 6 officers doing the work of 2 officers for 2 hours. That means you have 4 officers doing little of nothing for 2 hours. BUT since they are processing an arrest (wink, wink!) they are better??? BULLSHIT
I like it when MSF/TRU are in the district. BUT they are no better than us, and they are a help, but at a price:
If they get into an accident, they want a beat car to do the paper.
When they get into a footchase for those 1-2 baggers, BEATCARS also respond.
MSF/TRU sometimes arrest people who HELP patrol, (you know those guys that leak information to us to help solve shit)
Sometimes, MSF/TRU causes more animosity on the streets. Fine while they are there, but worse on beat cars, when they leave. These people on the streets are unable to see the difference between police and police!
They tie up the district resources. No beat car can lock up anyone while their whole unit is on a one bagger and the others are on facebook.
I appreciate the help, but it does come at a price. Lets look at it like it is: WE ARE ALL POLICE
To 10th district ranger: what medication are you on???Toxic fumes in your car affecting your brain???
"Don't cry for me, Argentina..."
10/06/2010 12:55:00 AM
sounds like a plan.
"it wasn't because one side had some sort of logistical genius, it wasn't because one side exhibited markedly superior planning, strategy or skill."
Actually, your story about the cakes is, in part, a matter of logistics. Same in World War I when the Europeans realized the Americans were able to provide fresh-baked bread to the trenches. The military has always been at the cutting edge of logistical efficiency. In fact, the entire containerization movement that now moves 90% of the world's goods was started by the U.S. Army moving goods to Vietnam. They stopped with the empty containers in Japan to fill them with cheap imports. Oops.
"They are out there everynight turning over rocks weeding out the criminals...."
unintended pun?
"I guess your activity or resume didnt cut it for you to get into MSF?"
you're just asking for it.
"Maybe a little less complaining and more self promotion..."
now you're begging for.
"A little more competition is always welcome!!!
10/06/2010 01:07:00 AM"
wait for it.... wait for it....
blow
me
you have the skills, the experience and the desire, so just open wide and........
blow
me
There is a need for units like MSF and TRU, however at this point they have out grown that need. The department needs a unit in place to be able to deploy to specific areas to combat a specific problem. The problem is what do you do with these officers when there is no immediate problem?
Captain in roll call said true is going to be disbanded.
Last Christmas time, we were shorthanded like all districts. We asked other districts for some manpower to cover our annual party. We got a few from surrounding districts but hardly enough, they were short too.
We asked if we could get a few P.O.s for the one night from MSF or TRU and it was OHHHHH Noooo.
It's going to be worse this year.
It's not just for that one night but it's the symbol of all the other nights we are dangerously short handed and and those goofs downtown just don't care.
We pray to God that Jody and his band will be gone in March and that they don't cost the lives of any more cops.
In my career of almost 30 years Daley and these fools are the worst I have ever experienced.
The first thing to do is disband these units, maybe down to a school patrol/summer mobile units.
One of the shames about all this is that if we get real police back in charge, and hire more police all of these "elite troops" will come back and start from the bottom in a district.
They will have to be retrained to do real police work in the districts.
There comes a point in every military campaign, when one side looses 25% of its forces it becomes Combat Ineffective.
Under Weis and Daley's hatchet cost cutting the CPD as a whole has almost done that.
We have been attrited down almost 25% and are fighting a holding action while the other side has been emboldened by the errors of our leaders, the judgments of our courts, the greed of lawyers.
The other side continues to recruit, to have babies by the score, and to import enemies to our sanctuary city.
God help us if we sit and do nothing.
Here we go units vs patrol. Wahh wahh wahh.
>>> Anonymous said...
The lying bastards saying they take the pressure off the beat cars. By what? Bringing in one baggers all night?
And Sean, you are a nice guy but nobody says "here come the 44s!". Don't be a h j.
10/06/2010 12:50:00 AM<<<
"here come the 44s" is not exactly wrong. These gangbangers see and know more about us than we like to admit. They know when where the area hot and lay low.
And they know when these cars go home, like at 0300 and that's when they come out to hunt and kill. Look at how many Agg. Batts. just when the "44s" leave or go home leaving only the under strength District units to deal with the blood.
Did it ever occur to those FBI goofs, that gangbangers are like Beat Villains. They generally stay in one small area, know everyone and everything in that area and only leave it to help one of their own or for some substantial gain.
A few changes in that last sentence and you describe a beat cop. The value of the beat cop has been lost on this administration and we will need to get it back.
If you want to take the pressure off the beat cars, give us back our people, simple enough even for an FBIer to understand.
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Why wouldn't you go to one of these units? You have to be an asshole not too. Fuck around most of the day and leave early. A lot easier to fuck around in msf than it is on a beat car.
90% of the reason for the backlogs is people not handling their jobs in a timely fashion. How can you blame someone for wanting to leave a district in area 2? Granted you will be patrolling the same areas in msf but there is a lot of bullshit you do not have to deal with in msf.
To 12:55am, the dirty war hits Chicago! Very good, I'd rather not contaimnate our water supply though, how about bubbly creek?
Again, as someone has asked before, how about one copy of the sheets from each watch in a district sent to SCC to show actual manpower situations, maybe on Friday/Saturday? Just a thought...
another 100+ officers to msf???????????? goodbye tru!
all you 3 year wonders will be answering jobs soon.....coming to a district near you!
In the recent past, Alderman calls Midnight Watch Commander with piss ass problem that he/she should call 9-1-1 for.
Midnight W.C. (in K.M.A. Club) tells him/her that thanks to all the cuts there's very little manpower to handle that probelm and it will have to wait for priority but it will be handled when we can.
Alderman no longer calls Midnight W.C., now they call Joe Jackson, or Ernie Brown who then calls the District Commander who then calls the K.M.A.-W.C.
From now on, maybe we should just give the Alderman the cell phone numbers of Jim Rousell and Sean L. since they are the ones with all the manpower. Don't call the Midnight W.C., he/she just might tell you where to go with that request.
This F*in sucks! We can't do our jobs as it is. AND make sure when MSF calls for a paper car or a transport you tell the dispatchers that MSF Officers can do it themselves. After all, they are patrolmen just like us.
Actually, your story about the cakes is, in part, a matter of logistics. Same in World War I when the Europeans realized the Americans were able to provide fresh-baked bread to the trenches. The military has always been at the cutting edge of logistical efficiency. In fact, the entire containerization movement that now moves 90% of the world's goods was started by the U.S. Army moving goods to Vietnam. They stopped with the empty containers in Japan to fill them with cheap imports. Oops.
10/06/2010 10:19:00 AM
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We're both definitely on the same page that logistics is huge, however, there's no running around the fact that the Germans exhibited some incredible logistical genius, yet still lost, simply because they didn't have adequate resources do deploy.
The reasons we were flying in cakes and they couldn't wasn't because of planning. It was because we had the resources to do it, while they didn't. If all things had been equal in terms of available resources, they would've been flying in cakes to their fighting men, too, but they couldn't. We could.
Resources, resources, resources. Once you've developed an adequate (preferably, in significant excess) portfolio of resources, then you can worry about nuts-and-bolts allocation and planning. Until that time, you're stretching yourself thin, using what little you have to attack the larger problem at hand.
Chicago is presently short officers on our BASELINE number. We need to rise to meet this number, then surpass it by a comfortable buffer. Fighting crime in Chicago with not enough officers is taking a 2000 mile trip with 1500 miles worth of gas, then hoping that 'planning' will carry you for those extra 500 miles.
"Anonymous said...
Captain in roll call said true(sic) is going to be disbanded.
10/06/2010 11:12:00 AM"
And what will they do with those officers?
Send them to MSF?
Create a New Secret-Squirrel Unit?
How about a Unit where they leave the radios behind and get all their assignments via mental telepathy from the Predictive Analytics Unit and drive hovercrafts?
Unless they retrain them and put them back in Beat Cars they will be useless.
It's awful easy to be a MSF "Tough Guy" when you and 5 others gang up on a single simple dope arrest. A real Policeman is the one who keeps the lid on things when the tables are turned and he has to deal with corners 9-10 deep and NO help.
Been on over 20yrs.and currently in Patrol on mids. Was once detailed to a unit out of Patrol in my younger days. So I stopped in my assigned district to say hi to the boss one night. While talking, he said words I'll never forget and would like to pass on to all the youngsters in these "elite" units. While holding a lit cigar,he leaned back in his chair and while chuckling said, "ya know...nothing last forever, you'll be back". I've returned to that unit since then lol. Back then, we had bosses that knew the job. Now we have some that do, but most are clueless and BTW, you NEVER called for a sgt. unless you shot someone; we didn't have TRR's, if there was a struggle or take down, no big deal, you explained it in the narrative;if you shot a dog,it was a misc-x and you moved on;the district commmander was a God that you never saw and he had only one..and only one, secretary;CAPS had two officers;we had one inventory book that you fought over, lol. We had these black metal boxes that we were supposed to have beat files in that someone made a killing off of with that contract and they made great tool boxes. Yep..years ago the job was different kids. I miss those days. Now...I can't wait to retire from this nonsense.
MSF/TRU sometimes arrest people who HELP patrol, (you know those guys that leak information to us to help solve shit)
to the fu...g idiot that wrote this. You are probably the biggest tool in this dept. Solve shit? You have to be kidding me that you wrote this and thimk you sounded cool. LMFAO!!!!!
The only way any units can assist the beat officers is if they are ASSIGNED JOBS by the dispatcher.
Take over some of the baby mamma drama calls and we'll be out of the RAP. If all you are doing is hauling in dude with some weed and it takes 6 coppers, you are doing nothing for the beat cop.
Saturation teams are the same way. Like clockwork in 015 each day 1250 hrs, here comes the BS dope arrest that they got in 011; mmm hmm, saved us from the RAP, thanks!!
Until we stop counting the beans, we will never get ahead of the game.
10/06/2010 02:03:00 PM
They on viewed it they do the paper. The sergeants in the districts should just have balls enough to tell them that. These units generate more CR #'s for the districts then they are worth, they are also bringing in useless arrests, they waste manpower with 2 guys doing paper/work while the other 6 are watching YouTube, facebook or just generally fucking off on a computer. WASTE OF MANPOWER! Most of the people in these units are assholes no one else wanted. Send them all back TRU and MSF are useless.
its all about them looking good and keeping their spots and take home cars.
I'm sorry I hate to jam up any working copper. But Push has now come to shove. Its a fucking saftey issue out here! Film these do nothing wannabee's @ their lunch locations. Will make a great news story or a you tube hit. The final straw is breaking... Show the world how Jodi's pet unit is a joke.
WTF I just heard that our marine unit is getting sent to mobile strike force or the TRU unit for the 12th 13th 1st and 2nd periods. What are these moronic bosses thinking? There have been several security threats all over the world and in different U.S. cities that have been thwarted so why would you deplete a year round unit of personnel that plays a major role on commercial waterways in one of the biggest cities in the U.S. And in case most of you do not know the marine unit responds to all jobs year round and the U.S. Coast Guard vacates the Downtown Chicago area until something big happens or until boating season reopens in May. Nice decision DUMB ASS COMMAND STAFF and you know who you are!!!!
Too many Bosses and notr enough workin Indians!!!!!! WTF Stop promoting the political hacks! There is no incentive to work!! Hello
Start by going after the Bosses who have under productive workers. I had a gold star reffer to LTs as Chicago's royalty WTF!!!!!! That's the mentality. No wonder we are on the Titanic
To 010 distrrict ranger: STFU
You give the good hard working coppers in 010 a bad name. I guess you like when they show up on your jobs and decide if it's "worth it or not" to steal your arrests. We know who you are, keep making those 1 bag pinches on Roosevelt/independence and you'll be there in no time.
In my humble opinion, it seems that everything since J-Fled has been "special" "elite" "exclusive" etc. translated I, me, mine. Which is all EGO and clearly an extension of Weis' personality. Everything he touches is about GLORY. And real heroes are never about glory. The CPD is a DEPARTMENT made up of many who serve quietly, diligently and honorably.
He doesn't get that, never got that, never will get it and is why he has been a completely horseshit Supt.
---not a cop
10/06/2010 07:01:00 AM
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I think I love you.
"We have been attrited down almost 25% and are fighting a holding action while the other side has been emboldened by the errors of our leaders, the judgments of our courts, the greed of lawyers.
"The other side continues to recruit, to have babies by the score, and to import enemies to our sanctuary city.
"God help us if we sit and do nothing."
--10/06/2010 11:46:00 AM
You know, I was carefully reading over every comment in this discussion (thank you to everyone here who takes time from their busy day to inform, to enlighten, to argue, to have a good laugh. Agree or disagree, you are still the salt of the earth, you are what this city is really about) and I started very strongly feeling the same thing; there is no snappy acronym, no special new uniform, no zoomy new gun that can prevail over a body politic and a captive media that is actively "social engineering" -- causing, importing, financing, and exacerbating our problems for the perverse satisfaction and vast profit of a special few.
Failed social experiment -- feed another 1000 trillion dollars into it. Where will that money be squeezed from? Lawyers suing other lawyers? Minimum-wage grocery baggers living in their cars? Half-finished, empty strip malls? Illegal alien condominium carpenters whose credito facil is running out, whose work has just dried up, and whose houses and fancy custom pickups are being repossessed?
This whole show is running on the fumes of the prosperity of the 1950s; soon, we will have extracted the last property tax increase, the last Medicare-fraud thousand-dollar aluminum walker, and the last wildly inflated water bill from the very last generation of homeowners who spent their lives in productive work in the now-destroyed manufacturing sector -- the railroads, the steel mills, and all the rest that used to support the service and retail and real estate sectors that cannot survive in and of themselves without production -- without the creation of wealth.
My God. I saw the head of the Chicago Teacher's Union on TV tonight, asking for more money, more, more as the number of children here doubles and doubles and doubles again, and I realized that I was looking at the human equivalent of a tick -- a bloated parasite, literally swollen with the life energy forcibly extracted from others. This so-called "education" will be the death of us, just by itself.
Listen! The nursing home has taken the last cent of Grandpa's pension from Zenith or Motorola or Admiral or Western Electric or any one of a thousand other vanished enterprises. There is no more to give. Don't you understand? No mas!
The bottom has come out of the bag.
WRT: "We had to destroy the Patrol Division in order to save it."
So that makes it like martyrdom then self-destructive missions! Where's our 23 virgins and stuff?
Just wondering and of course I'm in Patrol...if I'm the only one that dreads going to work these days?
Most of the MSF or TRU guys don't know any better. Does anyone ever say anything to them? If i was on a BS one-bag arrest with my whole team in there and someone said something to me...and I mean another officer, not a supervisor, I would be embarrassed and would leave or tell my team to go when I finish the paper. I think they are just ignorant. Next time tell them there's a one hour sale on hair gel at Walgreens...you'd see the fastest arrest processing ever.
Here is my MSF story. 011 district tact team chases a guy from karlov and madison. My partner and the tact team grab the guy. Now everyone is backtracking. Now MSF shows up and the midget sgt who has a fire extinguisher can of oc, at east 5 m-4 mags and lots of other crap adorning his uniform walks up and asks us if he has anything on him. I say no and tells us that we can let him go. I tell him that we are not holding him for MSF. Now msf leaves and tac finds his weed and locks him up.
To the 010 ranger, anyone who refers to him/herself as a ranger is a douchebag. How about you guys remember where you are when you chase someone, refrain from giving long drawn out flashes and 1093 SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!
I was working my Beat and someone said the 44's were coming and I shit my pants
To the officers from MSF that had a nice arrest the other night in 8th district great job. You guys were very professional and accepted a handshake from our guys. Great job getting a few guns off the street and taking an extra step to connect a stolen gun to (Quawi Gates the individual that sold guns and was sentenced to 10 years for gun running and selling the gun that killed Thomas Wortham IV). I am not a huge fan of outside units coming in our district stirring shit and leaving but must admit when the officers are humble and respectful towards fellow PO's speaks volumes of their character. 8th district 1st watch
Anonymous said...
To 10th district ranger: what medication are you on???Toxic fumes in your car affecting your brain???
10/06/2010 10:18:00 AM
Hey 010th district ranger, ha ha! Your a pud if you believe that! Get a clue!
10/06/2010 09:35:00 AM
Anonymous said...
What the hell is a 10th District Ranger?
Get over yourself, you got a little brown stuff right there on the tip of your nose.
10/06/2010 09:40:00 AM
If you question it or have to ask what a "Ranger" is, you never worked a busy District. Its a title given to the workin' Officers crazy enough to work/stay in the busy/sh*t Districts. Ex 007, 010, 011, 015, 025, ok, ok, also 008, 009 and pretty everything south in the City. It's a humor thing.... We get laughs off it. So if you look at this and respond to it like a jag off, you probably are a jag off. Go back to your hole/north side District and sleep..... Sweet dreams... enjoy the same pay as the "rangers" Mr/Ms wannabe! hahahahahahahhahaha!
Hey MSFers....if you ever make it up to the northside please bring paper, cause I sure as shit am not going to come over and handle your traffic crash/domestic/hand waver.
That patch on your shoulder is the same as mine.
A real PO is someone who can get along with anyone on the watch, not hide with "your boys" on some team at the same burger joint week after week.
A real PO works 99 sometimes and everything turns out just fine.
Grow up you self-righteous assholes.
>>>Anonymous said...
This F*in sucks! We can't do our jobs as it is. AND make sure when MSF calls for a paper car or a transport you tell the dispatchers that MSF Officers can do it themselves. After all, they are patrolmen just like us.
10/06/2010 02:03:00 PM<<<
Then these "elite cops" will blow everything off-- a bloody domestic becomes 1-Frank, or 5-Henry or 19-Paul. Only to have the citizens call back 9-1-1 real angry that the cops didn't help them.
Next time tell them there's a one hour sale on hair gel at Walgreens...you'd see the fastest arrest processing ever.
10/06/2010 07:39:00 PM
WAIT!!! Really? Do I need a coupon? You better not be making this up..... GOTTA RUN!!!
Here is my MSF story. 011 district tact team chases a guy from karlov and madison. My partner and the tact team grab the guy. Now everyone is backtracking. Now MSF shows up and the midget sgt who has a fire extinguisher can of oc, at east 5 m-4 mags and lots of other ......
that same sgt was the driver of a marked unit that some mut shot 16 rounds into the windshield. we talk shit about each other yet we never know when the night will be that one of us gets killed.
in all honesty. I am in unit 153. we have been told since day one quality of quanity. we are not told to be thirsty. if a team of officers are in on bullshit(which i know there are) it frusterated most of the unit. they are in there for there own reasons weather it be circimstances or being lazy. so dont beat up the unit beat up the dog ass p.o.
Lt L from po to lt in under 8 years. It's all legit.
If you question it or have to ask what a "Ranger"
Your a little boy grow up.
Do more with less seems to be the new CPD motto.
CPD got it from big business.
WTF I just heard that our marine unit is getting sent to mobile strike force or the TRU unit
This was a long time coming! you guys do nothing but look at a women walking period that's your job
Talk about juice..
MSF is the Marines of CPD
we make more arrests than tactical and TRU .
Our Bosses are the best and that's why we can take extra time for lunch and leave early once or twice a week.
Our bosses appreciate what we do.
Quit being a slacker and bosses will notice. Crying like a baby can only start once you get where you wanna be (this just happens).... otherwise expect to be remembered for that and go no where! THANKS TO THE OUTSIDE UNITS FOR ANY/ALL ASSISTANCE GIVEN IN THE DISTRICTS. 10th District Ranger! Come visit anytime! A little more competition is always welcome!!!
What a kiss ass. Still trying to get on the team? Good luck.
Oh, and a nice reference to the "crying like a baby". But it's usually coming from the one's that just got dumped. Which is usually followed by the next phase: "Fuck 'em. I ain't doing shit no more!"
What good did taking those three bags off the street accomplish?
It stroked at least 6 egos. What more do you want?
PLUS......it adds to activity numbers. Come in with no activity and find yourself back pushing a lowly beat car.
How fucking sad what J-fled has done to the manpower of the districts. Gotta feel for the honest citizens that live in the districts. Also how silly is it that they send 2 tact guys from all over A/3 to the 008th district each night and then send guys from 008 to other districts? Why send the guys that know the land out and then send in guys that don't? Some real fools making the decisions and everyone is laughing at them. RIP CPD
It's amazing to me that answering calls and 19-pauling everyone is hard work. If your in on an arrest the backlog is not your problem. Get it. If every car grabbed that two bagger on the street then they would have no one to answer calls. Dispatch would start giving jobs to Sgts. Then they would notice the shortage.
"in all honesty. I am in unit 153. we have been told since day one quality of quanity."
I've had the displeasure of working in every Area except A/2.
I can speak from 1st hand knowledge that MSF& TRU bring in the pimpiest, nonsense chicken shit arrests for the all important CB# Number. So either the message is lost in translation, or you're entirely full of Shit?
"The department needs a unit in place to be able to deploy to specific areas to combat a specific problem."
Isnt that the purpose of having District Tact Teams? Ahh Who am I kidding, their sole purpose is DOPW & 1 Bag Weed Pinches. Almost forgot.
"90% of the reason for the backlogs is people not handling their jobs in a timely fashion."
Really? Why is Chicago the only Police Forcein the country that still dispatches a Uniformed Response to 95% of the 911 Calls?
Perhaps you should assist officers on these calls Sgt. Gump, instead of logging them from under the W/Cs Desk
THANKS TO THE OUTSIDE UNITS FOR ANY/ALL ASSISTANCE GIVEN IN THE DISTRICTS. 10th District Ranger! Come visit anytime! A little more competition is always welcome!!!
written by a msf officer
>>>Anonymous said...
in all honesty. I am in unit 153. we have been told since day one quality of quanity. we are not told to be thirsty.<<<
"QUALITY OF QUANITY...."
6 P.O.s on an arrest for a nickle bag or drinking on the street.
Did it every occur to anyone that the districts need QUANITY, of P.O.s to man the districts every day and night.
I'm sorry I hate to jam up any working copper. But Push has now come to shove. Its a fucking saftey issue out here! Film these do nothing wannabee's @ their lunch locations. Will make a great news story or a you tube hit. The final straw is breaking... Show the world how Jodi's pet unit is a joke.
regardless your feelings, you are a snitch and i would never get in a car w/ you. print your name please
MSF is the Marines of CPD
we make more arrests than tactical and TRU .
Our Bosses are the best and that's why we can take extra time for lunch and leave early once or twice a week.
Our bosses appreciate what we do.
10/06/2010 10:38:00 PM
I have over 10yrs on, have worked in a few different places, some great and some not so great. Having worked briefly for MSF I can tell you that the above statement is completely false. You may make more arrests than TRU or Tact, but try to compare your numbers to gangs, narcotics, or even a decent third watch crew. The majority of bosses are completely clueless and are only in it for themselves. They don't appreciate a damn thing their officers do for them and stab them in the back regularly (many times without the PO even knowing it). That is why about 50% of that unit does absolutely nothing. I am a hardworking PO that decided not to work for these bosses because I didn't want to validate them any sort of activity and I just plain don't trust them.
MSF is the salvation army of the CPD.
To the officers from MSF that had a nice arrest the other night in 8th district great job. You guys were very professional and accepted a handshake from our guys. Great job getting a few guns off the street and taking an extra step to connect a stolen gun to (Quawi Gates the individual that sold guns and was sentenced to 10 years for gun running and selling the gun that killed Thomas Wortham IV). I am not a huge fan of outside units coming in our district stirring shit and leaving but must admit when the officers are humble and respectful towards fellow PO's speaks volumes of their character. 8th district 1st watch
come on msf quit writing these comments it is embarassing
Here is my MSF story. 011 district tact team chases a guy from karlov and madison. My partner and the tact team grab the guy. Now everyone is backtracking. Now MSF shows up and the midget sgt who has a fire extinguisher can of oc, at east 5 m-4 mags and lots of other crap adorning his uniform walks up and asks us if he has anything on him. I say no and tells us that we can let him go. I tell him that we are not holding him for MSF. Now msf leaves and tac finds his weed and locks him up.
Wow, facinating story. Can i get my few mins. back?
"Lt L from po to lt in under 8 years. It's all legit."
Thanks for noticing, because he DID make it legit. I know him very well and he is true gentleman, no merit there.
A/2
As usual the biggest problem on this job is the P/o's!!!
Bunch of you bad mouthing the units and another bunch of you bad mouthing patrol!!!
WTF!!!! We are more divided than ever, this division is a winning formula for the jackoffs that run this dept.
Yes there are tools in the units and yes there are tools in the districts, but I still believe the majority in both are just good people, who more than likely stay off this blog!!!
I am starting to see that this blog has been equally good and bad for the department. To many people make shit up just to effect others in a negative way. Somehow the things said on here become gospel, which shows we have a bunch of followers and not a lot of leaders who frequent this blog.
Of course on the upside, Cozzi, "10-1's" for officers needing assistance, and many other important topics wouldnt be as widely recognized if not for this blog. It would be nice if people would start thinking for themselves.
Just keep aggravating the muslim jags,like I double dare you! STFU assholes! I know the dumbocrats want something bad to happen to stay in office to keep fucking up this country!
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.6f90940f6d9bb44d73f1c586d3a44fbb.1021&show_article=1
Don't ever compare the Marines with msf...I know the "b" company lt. likes to do re-enactments on the weekends to keep up with his theater degree...civillian jump school...what a dork
Lt L from po to lt in under 8 years. It's all legit.
10/06/2010 10:16:00 PM
It was really twelve years. And he is legit.
Hey MSFers....if you ever make it up to the northside please bring paper, cause I sure as shit am not going to come over and handle your traffic crash/domestic/hand waver.
That patch on your shoulder is the same as mine.
A real PO is someone who can get along with anyone on the watch, not hide with "your boys" on some team at the same burger joint week after week.
A real PO works 99 sometimes and everything turns out just fine.
Grow up you self-righteous assholes.
10/06/2010 09:46:00 PM
the north side I'm scared. Oh no not the northside. Chasing the same shithead everyday. Please. The north side? God forbid I tear you away from your starbucks latte and news paper. The northside? I've worked patrol and a unit. I've never seen so many people hidden behind the desk until I worked in the northside. The northside is a joke.
Administatively speaking, this is the right planning method for "Deployment needs". The calls will always be there but the sad part is more officers will become victims. You don't need to balance the number of personnel across Bureaus.
The use of GPS and selection of what calls a beat officer should respond to should be next on the list. This will eliminate the Beat boundaries and beat numbers in All. May be that shed some light as to why CAPS will be evaporating.
Just think how CFD is Currently being dispatched or how EMS operate!! that should give you a clue!
A beat car will simply be for generating reports!!!
That's ALL Folks!!
Be Safe!
"Master Plan (part I) Hey! Why not? All we have to do is just keep on creating new platoons until we've depleted the Districts!!!!!"
Maybe each one of us could be our own, individual "elite unit"!
I am an Army of One!
"...downtown must stop the push for bs numbers."
Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!
You've got to be kidding! These clowns only know numbers. That's what they hang their damn gold-banded, scrambled egg-encrusted hats on at every accountability (or whatever the hell they're called now) meeting, etc.
Numbers, numbers, numbers.
Of course, they only like the numbers that they can understand; an increase (in arrests, tickets, etc.) over the preceeding period.
Even if there's less (reported) crime, they expect bigger numbers.
They're never gonna get off the number-thing. It's all they know.
It should all fall on their supervisors. The Cmdr should hold his Sgts more accountable.
10/06/2010 08:53:00 AM
Yeah and whhen the Sgts do their jobs and hold po's accountable you guys bitch and whine about what an asshole the sgt is, how he/she does'nt " take care' of the troops, how you guys are gonna bitch and beef to the DC and grieve...
self entitled, spoiled, whiny, depolicing crybaby primadonnas
"Memo to the MSF hard chargers:
For eighteen years I've seen hard working members of watches work aggressively and make good part one arrests between the time spent handling jobs. Yeah they did both.
But alas, it's the CPD so useless units like MSF will continue and take able bodies out of districts city wide.
The only ones you guys are fooling are yourselves"
District guys vs Unit guys..the bitching is endless. How about bitching that your dog ass is sitting down on a 19P job for an hour cause your just as lazy as the guys you bitch about. Last I checked weed is against the law and we still do get paid to go to court right? Whats wrong with making money? Oh I know going to that domestic so your lazy ass can stay down on your bullshit job longer. Didn't MSF jump out and kill a bad guy that was shooting up a patrol car?? Yeah I believe they did. Are there dog asses in MSF I'm sure, and guess what you put them in the district they'll be dog asses there too. All these strokes that bitch are making up some crazy ass bullshit about MSF and TRU. Look at their stats, guess what they look like....the patrol divisions, making the same arrest if not more and better. Hey you want to stay in a district thats on you, but crying and lying about MSF makes you sound silly. WE NEED MORE COPS! End of story. These units work, the patrol division works, we just need more officers. I only have 15 years on this job but I can say this I have seen many a hard charging patrol guy jump on a bs traffic stop to get out of a job....key word MANY! Every single time a beat car calls for an assist MSF units in the area are there. Lets stop with all these bs stories that get snowballed to fact and judge a whole group of guys. You leave roll call and grab those car keys you are your own boss for 8.5 hrs, so fugure it out and stop bitching about each other. Patrol vs Units...its gonna last forever. The anger and hatered I hear coming from patrol guys...well you sound like real cry babies..toughen up. Guys wanna leave to go to MSF, TRU, GEU or OCD...go enjoy, theres work to be done everywhere. The ones that piss me off the most are the guys with these inside sweet spots that have 3,4,5 years on bitching about police work. All these inside spots should be guys with 20 years on looking to get off the streets and ease into retirement. Bitch about being short on man power but dont make shit up and bitch about all these units...you do and well...YOU'RE A TOOL and fooling yourself.
10th district Rangers?
What next guys from 22 saying they're workin in the Deuce?
10th dist,busy place, lots of good coppers, but I thought 7 were the Englewood Rangers. Did I miss the memo? Or do you just like the term Ranger?
Anonymous said...
MSF is the Marines of CPD
we make more arrests than tactical and TRU .
Our Bosses are the best and that's why we can take extra time for lunch and leave early once or twice a week.
Our bosses appreciate what we do.
10/06/2010 10:38:00 PM
Spoken like a true marine. Make those three bagger bullshit arrests and work 6 hour days with a long lunch. Let the beat cars handle the paper jobs and service calls. MSF does not have time for the bullshit calls. God bless MSF
Anonymous said...
Too many Bosses and notr enough workin Indians...
10/06/2010 05:23:00 PM
Thank you--come again!
Anonymous said...
MSF is the Marines of CPD
we make more arrests than tactical and TRU .
Our Bosses are the best and that's why we can take extra time for lunch and leave early once or twice a week.
Our bosses appreciate what we do.
10/06/2010 10:38:00 PM
Oh yeah? Well blow me. How's that for appreciation?
Fuck all your arrests. The quality of a police officer is measured not in how many bullshit arrests you can make but in how many no good mother fuckers are sitting in prison pissed off at you for putting them there.
How many you got in IDOC?
Guys / Gals in MSF, believe me, I know how important your jobs are and more power to you dealing with animals when you're assigned in the ghetto. But, I just wanna suggest something. Please don't act like you're the most important thing that happened in the Chicago Police Department. I'm talking about ignoring us when you are visiting our District. You walked around in our own station, with cool ass ninja suit (BDU), like you own the fucking bitch. Say hi or wave even if you don't like us because you think the Patrol Division sucks. You never know, you might need our help looking for a narcotic bag for your nickel bag of weed.
Anonymous said...
MSF is the Marines of CPD
we make more arrests than tactical and TRU .
Our Bosses are the best and that's why we can take extra time for lunch and leave early once or twice a week.
Our bosses appreciate what we do.
10/06/2010 10:38:00 PM
TRANSLATION: YOU'RE BRAINWASHED AND YOU ADMIT THE UNIT IS STEALING TIME.
TRU dat. I am in TRU now but it is getting kinda played out and I want to get to MSF. I just made my 4th year on the job and I sure don't want to go back to working a beat car on midnights in 005 so hopefully when they disband TRU I can get a spot in MSF. What the big deal with a little perk now and then? We are the only people locking people up these days, if you stopped laying down on your jobs maybe you would have time to hunt for shit???
This F*in sucks! We can't do our jobs as it is. AND make sure when MSF calls for a paper car or a transport you tell the dispatchers that MSF Officers can do it themselves. After all, they are patrolmen just like us.
--When they chase a car & the car crashes and they call for a beat car to do paper?
Anonymous said...
WTF I just heard that our marine unit is getting sent to mobile strike force or the TRU unit
This was a long time coming! you guys do nothing but look at a women walking period that's your job
Talk about juice..
10/06/2010 10:34:00 PM
Juice, right, has to be juice.
Who you gonna call when someone falls through the ice? CFD has divers but no boats. Who you gonna call if you need someone to dive for some evidence tossed in the drink? CFD? What about the sworn testimony in court? Chain of custody? Oh, come back in April, I got it. Warm weather only.
Talk about juice..
moron
Young coppers go to these units to get out of shitty districts with shitty bosses and to get off of midnights. These are not - can't really blame them, but can certainly blame the dickheads at 35th street who create these units and allow the districts to be depleted.
For all you officers with stars in your eyes and your dicks in your hands...
This is the first attempt at "mobile districts"
They see this as the way to keep manpower down and rip our contract to shreds
Goodbye to established districts, this department is going to be a completely reactionary force with minimal manpower located in established outposts to process arrestees.
Would you guys slow down and think a little!! You can do the same work you do on these units...what do you think we did before they were established?!
The management is undermining your contract by making you think you are better than a district patrolman, thereby causing friction.
I see it all the time, we back up a car on a stop...regardless of who are what unit they are...the district guys wave, give a thumbs up, say thanks.
Not the elite units...they do their stop without even looking our way..hop in the car and drive off.
Exactly what management wants.
I see the MSF Sgt. and some of his guys at a local diner from time to time. They always say hello and don't seem arrogant to me. I for one appreciate them coming into my district and helping out.
Anonymous said...
You cannot outwit mathematics.
The reason the US won World War II or why North beat the South wasn't because one side had fiercer warriors, it wasn't because one side had some sort of logistical genius, it wasn't because one side exhibited markedly superior planning, strategy or skill.
It was because one side had overwhelming resources, while the other didn't and eventually, ran out.
There was a great story in WW2 about a German officer who was one of the first men on scene of a downed American plane. It was a mail plane.
They retrieved the cargo for further examination. It was *filled* with packages from home- cakes, cookies, candy, goodies- being sent to the men on the lines from their families back home.
The German officer realized that there was just no way for them to win this war. While he couldn't call in an air strike on an enemy position because they were too short on fuel, the Americans were burning fuel to fly around cake.
This is how you win wars. You overwhelm with superior resources. Yes, you plan, you strategize, you innovate, but you first must have adequate resources to attack the problem, so intimidatingly large in nature that it dampens the will of your enemy to resist. This applies to street cops, to.
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Not to take great issue with what you say because you are partially correct. We won WWII and the North won the Civil War for all 4 reasons that you cite, i.e. superior (fiercer) force, logistics, better planning read innovation by unit NCO's and officers, and superior resources. I disagree about theprimary reason though. Obviously superior resources eventually overwhelmed the enemies, but without logistics to put the material at the point of need superior resources are meaningless. There is an old saw that says, :amateurs talk tactics and strategy, while professionals talk logistics." It is Napoleon again saying that an army travels on its stomach.
I work in MSF there are goofs that work there just like in every dist or unit in the city I can believe that 6 ofc go in on a weed arrest I have seen it myself but thats not the norm. Most of us are looking for guuns and good arrest. We understand the dist are short. I can speak of myself and my partner. We code jobs out We write paper if we come up on the radio and take a job that we think is a good one but turns out to be B.S. We are there to help. Asked us to hit a corner with you or assist you in shuting down a block we will gladly lend a hand. Don
t belive everything you read we dont get 2 hour lunches and we don't get out early. Im not saying we take 30min but its not close to 2 hours
MSF Officers look professional and do more work than district officers
we take lunches with our sergeants and discuss crime conditions in the areas we're assigned
we are actually working during our lunch hour and that's why we get to leave early sometimes
Lt L is all legit asshat he is a very intelligent cop and not merit. Was one of the best Sgt's I ever had never hesitated to help you out with anything. And unlike most current bosses he does not forget where he comes from.
Start by going after the Bosses who have under productive workers. I had a gold star reffer to LTs as Chicago's royalty WTF!!!!!! That's the mentality. No wonder we are on the Titanic
Obviously an exempt rank Lt. that never worked in district patrol, or a different district every night, living out of his car and being thrown under the bus by his triple merit Captain. Most likely was triple merit himself and always had a"'spot."
TRU dat. I am in TRU now but it is getting kinda played out and I want to get to MSF. I just made my 4th year on the job and I sure don't want to go back to working a beat car on midnights in 005 so hopefully when they disband TRU I can get a spot in MSF. What the big deal with a little perk now and then? We are the only people locking people up these days, if you stopped laying down on your jobs maybe you would have time to hunt for shit???
10/07/2010 08:00:00 AM
I can guarantee that by the time this post is up some fool has already lost his shit. Probably the same intellectual virtuoso that failed to grasp the Ultimate Tactical Warrior's sarcasm.
"44's" = 4 hour days, 4 days a week. nuf said, get over your self
If u bitch about MSF BS arrests then u might as well bitch about all the bs tact teams in the districts who do the exact same thing, extended lunches 6 hour days and bs arrests. Sounds the same to me! Turn ur hat back and act cool. These guys are making any difference? HHHMMM
Lt. L is as about as legit as a $3 dollar bill and he won't hesitate to stab you in the back. He has about as much backbone as a flatworm!
"we make more arrests than tactical and TRU"
Definitions:
Misdemeanor arrest - a failure by police to keep the peace.
Felony arrest - a failure by police to prevent a crime.
"'The department needs a unit in place to be able to deploy to specific areas to combat a specific problem.'
Isnt that the purpose of having District Tact Teams?"
That's the THEORY behind the tact teams, but the idiot bosses can't get off the NUMBERS. See previous post on the numbers.
MSF Officers look professional and do more work than district officers
we take lunches with our sergeants and discuss crime conditions in the areas we're assigned
we are actually working during our lunch hour and that's why we get to leave early sometimes
10/07/2010 02:21:00 PM
Thanks for the sarcasm...
Off the subject but the medical section needs to screen everybody, especially supervisors to see if they suffer from bi-polar disorder. Once diagnosed, please put all of them on treatment immediately.
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