An Interesting Question
First up, from the comments:
There's plenty of material there for all sorts of Lieutenant (and Captain) grievances that will end up costing more than whatever the original "savings" was supposed to be.
The reason we bring this all up is to spotlight that the city seems incapable of following any sort of contract that they negotiate with their workers. They always negotiate in bad faith. And the second they think they can get away with something, especially against the FOP, they'll do it. Hell, they've done it constantly in the past and paid out tens of thousands in cash, OT, time on the books, etc.
And with all the "merit" people floating around never having read a contract, we'd imagine that it going to get far worse before it gets any better.
- You cannot have a watch run efficiently by 2 Lieutenants arguing over who has to be inside and who has to be outside. You must have a Captain who is the unquestioned leader, responsible for all major decisions for the watch.
One Captain per radio zone is a HUGE safety issue. Who is going to be responsible for the first prisoner who hangs himself in the lockup? The Zone Captain, who wasn't in the building? The Lieutenant, who was out in the street? The Desk Sgt, who is left holding the bag?
The cost of the resulting lawsuits will more than outweigh the cost of properly staffing the department....Sorry, I forgot, the city doesn't care about that right now.
"Sharky" raises some good points. For years, the Department has been preaching responsibility, culpability, who's to blame. Now the Department is setting up a chain of command where the ultimate responsibility lies with someone not even in the building they're supposed to be in charge of.
This thing is looking more and more like a disaster of epic proportions.
Remember the promotional exams? The city gives out millions to develop and run tests for all sorts of promotions. Thanks to an avid reader, we have this copy of what the city was looking for in their lieutenant candidates:
This thing is looking more and more like a disaster of epic proportions.
Remember the promotional exams? The city gives out millions to develop and run tests for all sorts of promotions. Thanks to an avid reader, we have this copy of what the city was looking for in their lieutenant candidates:
There's plenty of material there for all sorts of Lieutenant (and Captain) grievances that will end up costing more than whatever the original "savings" was supposed to be.
The reason we bring this all up is to spotlight that the city seems incapable of following any sort of contract that they negotiate with their workers. They always negotiate in bad faith. And the second they think they can get away with something, especially against the FOP, they'll do it. Hell, they've done it constantly in the past and paid out tens of thousands in cash, OT, time on the books, etc.
And with all the "merit" people floating around never having read a contract, we'd imagine that it going to get far worse before it gets any better.
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posted by SCC at 12:05 AM
85 Comments:
In regards to desk sergeants:
The department was doing a study in 017 in regards to getting rid of the desk sergeant postion.
The question is will they still pay someone out of grade to to the work? The officer who holds the keys to the safe .. will he get the D -3 pay?
They could always relocate the safe to the watch commanders office. When you think about it; the sergeant really does not approve the arrest report he only "clerks" it. Any P.O. could do this and the city may attempt to NOT pay D-3 pay.
Has anyone heard any news on this???
SCC said... "...the second they think they can get away with something, especially against the FOP, they'll do it..."
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Why not? They own the executive board at FOP. How many MILLION$ of dollars did the board "forgive" the city from paying back into our pension fund?
I can't believe they were voted back in for another term after THAT stunt!
What you fail to realize is there is NO money to run the department as it has been run in the past.
In the BIG CITY of Chicago we have always had money. Money to have a desk sergeant in every district. To have a “field lieutenant” in years past. And to have a fat, half-in-the bag old Irish Captain that you would never see in the watch Commanders office.
Things have changed with this economy. ALL companies are learning how to work with LESS. Suburban departments run a watch with a sergeant as the watch commander. And have been doing so for years.
This is what COULD happen and would happen if say a republican agenda took over :
CAPTAIN
The rank of Captain # 9175’s would be weeded down to nothing. The remaining Captains would be inspectors or in charge of units.
LIEUTENANT
No more than 2 lieutenants would be assigned to a watch. The lieutenant (working AT LT’s PAY!) would be the watch commander. Department Directives would be rewritten to specify that a lieutenant is the watch commander and he is given his orders by the Commander on how to accomplish the mission of the watch - PERIOD. Since Captains are out of the picture the lieutenant WILL NOT receive CAPTAINS PAY!!!! Will the LTs Union grieve it? Sure, but they would probably lose since the department structure would formally be changed. If 2 lieutenants on the watch start having problems with each other they would have their ass kicked by the commander for lack of a better description -- do your fuckin’ job!
SERGEANTS
No more desk sergeant. This will free up 75 more sergeant / D-3 spots. Suburban departments do NOT have a supervisor on the desk. We can do without one. Whoever holds the key for the safe will be accountable for them .. be responsible – do your job. If someone comes in the station to complain.. call a sergeant in.. it may take a while, so what. Have a seat or call IPRA on 311.. it’s still a free phone call… for now.
DESK OFFICERS
3 of them in every district. They can decide who will “sign” for the keys for the safe. Every district will have a “take a number” system just like a Jewel deli counter. If people have to wait 20 minutes to make a report…. So be. It’s not an emergency.
SUPERVISION IN GENERAL
The department can work with as few sergeants in a district as possible. HELL, just one on the street if need be. If someone has a question.. call on the fucking phone. As far as making sure all the patrolmen are doing their jobs… DO YOUR JOB. The sergeant can check the PCAD in his office to see if someone is dogging a job.. As for a being worried about corruption.. Supervising bad cops.. DO YOUR JOB and don’t break the law.. or YOU GO TO FUCKIN” JAIL.
We are all adults – AND taxpayers. I for one do not want to pay $10,000 @ year in property taxes to live in this city.
Who cares? I mean really. Ain't no Lt or Captain taking any heat for a swinger. We all know what will happen. The lock up BLUE SHIRT will take the hit. Moving up the ranks in the CPD means LESS responsiblity. Duh!
Once again the City will spend a dollar to save a nickel.
OT: just want to point out a great useage of manpower and money being well spent... Seems as if the MIU or medical integrity unit is hard at work targeting a sgt for the abuse of the medical roll. Seems as though the sgt who is IOD anf has had two... Thats right not one but two MRI's conducted to verify the injury and is under direct care of a drpartment authorized orthopedic surgeon who has scheduled a surgery date for the sgt. Now this is what I call excellent use of department resources!! Here we have an officer doing everything right and is under care of a medical professional who has determined through two definitive medical test evaluations that the sgt has a diagnosed injury... Has a surgery date scheduled and they are watching him/her for what reason? The sgt has a legit medically proven/verified, documented injury determined by a medical professional and has been approved for surgery... I dont get it... Another well funded purposeful imvestigation... Wow! Happy hunting MIU, seems lime you got yourself a real medical abuser... Go get him.... Morons.
The Desk Sgt, who is left holding the bag?
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Desk Sgts are gone as of the 1st Period.
Dear scc: I used to really love my job, now I really hate my job. So what I'm getting is that when they said that Capts weren't needed on days but were only needed when it's really busy on afternoons and midnights, and they took the capts off of days, they figured out they were wrong? That capts are needed on days and only half of the capts are needed on midnights and afternoons? This is the total opposite what they did 6 mos ago-the total opposite of what they said was the best way to handle capts. I believe in Capts, just not in the selective way that they are selected. Every rank below exempt should be by test (of course when it's all legit anyway).I'm sad to see my capt go cause he's a really good guy that only wants the best for the watch. They city keeps on fixing stuff that isn't broke: the lt and capt situation isnt solving any big problems in policing in Chgo-why are they bothering? All they have to do is get rid of the district managers and they save a lot of money there. Why do they keep f---ing with the guys on the street? These questions are of course all rhetorical.
Anyone with even the slightest grasp of labor law knows that the Captain's contract says they can not eliminate the position and the Lieutenant's contract says that a Lieutenant will be paid at the rate of a Captain if he performs the duties of a Captain for a minimum of 2 hours...
The boss without a healthy Rabbi will be the fall guy for whatever goes wrong, even if he is at home in bed sleeping at the time !
who cares
HEY ! You knew it would be this way when you took the job...
Did you really think the city of chicago, county of cook and state of illinois would magically fix themselves ?
We had Sgts as Watch Commanders at one of my old jobs and they would always bicker. The field Sgt. always undercut the W/C Sgt. Now these dumb asses here want to do the same thing only with Lts. again, don't they ever learn? You can't have the person in charge of such a small unit as a watch and have him/her somewhere else. There is a feel that one must have for his workplace and you just can't have that from a remote location. At least with a Captain, there is someone ultimately responsible for the watch.
Has anyone factored in that we have zones that are in different areas. Two different area deputy chiefs and two different detective areas. They're just brilliant downtown, aren't they......
Just heard from a reliable, political source: Zone Commanders. 1 Commander per Zone/2 Districts. District manager to be in charge in Commander's absence.
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HEY ! You knew it would be this way when you took the job...
Did you really think the city of chicago, county of cook and state of illinois would magically fix themselves ?
11/09/2010 05:05:00 AM
HEY! You can take that and stick it up your ass! They change the rules at will constantly regardless of any contract and you say "You knew it would be that way". Well tell us genius, what's your insight to the next 10 years on the job?
It's all about the money. Money to pour concrete and flower boxes and money for Shortshanks' pals.
How many cops voted in last weeks elections? Was it enough to make any politician worried? If it was we would need to get at all the mayoral candidates. As concerned citizens we would be obligated to inform them of the Daley Crime Family destruction of the CPD. We would want to know if they were willing to restore what is needed to restore morale and personnel to make us effective in all parts of the city.
Are the exempts who have been holding their tongues, waiting for Shorty and Weis and company to leave going to have the courage to hit that big RESET button?
Mr Weis , assign 1 Lt. per watch in each district and assign other lts to an area . Deputy Chief of area can assign area lts to fill in at districts when lt is day off. Captains could be assigned to areas to approve arrest reports and handle trrs . Lts can handle roll call and all field duties.
CPD has to eliminate some exempts and the rank of CAPTAIN .
Let's not forget Captains are hand picked and only a few ever passed a promtional test for sgt or lt.
CPD needs to save money now and be honest the SERGEANTS run the field operations because we only have a field lt once and a while and the DESK SGT makes assignment sheets , checks lock up and runs the district for the watch commander.
Hire more Sgts and eliminate captains , CPD cannot afford the political appointments anymore .
CPD needs Blue Shirts and Sergeants to operate.
I suspect that the Captain position will once again be eliminated from the CPD in the very near future.
Any disputes among the Lt./WCs will have to be ultimately settled by the Cmdr. In the past, Cmdrs have not always been willing to step in an deal directly with these disputes (i can recall one in 015 several years ago), but they'll have to when all this new shit
comes into play.
Exempt and Captains are
100 % merit promotions
Lts and sgts 30 % merit promotion
Save money and get rid of captains
2 lts per watch and 2 sgts assigned to field duties and 1 desk sgt . Demand mandatory overtime to keep districts manned with supervisors and beat officers.
Eliminate 1 sector per district . Realign districts and each district should have 12 beat cars , 6 per sector .
Sergeants can supervise 6 beat cars without any problem .
This would reduce sgt budget by 75.
To the person who posted at 0103 hrs, AMEN!!!!!!! Tell all the 10 year old malcontents on this job to get to work. That is what would happen in the private sector.
I love how hypocritical people are who post on this site. They bitch and moan about corruption at city hall. Corruption in the schools. Then when it comes time to look in the mirror, nothing wrong here. What a bunch of BS!!!! The CPD is run just like the rest of the city. A big bloated machine democrat style.
Those who are in units are all connected and screwing over the do nothings on the watch. Start working and the boss will leave you alone. Those in units have to do something (not everybody but most). The tact, gang, MSF, TRU, etc, and etc guys and gals may have some attitude problems but at least try and earn their check. Meanwhile some do nothing on the beat car has been down for an hour on a burglary. That is a ten second job. His is your report #. Make a list for the dicks of what has been stolen. ET is on the way. Come clear. God forbid anybody actually do that. God forbid you answer the jobs on your beat while the guy actually doing his or her job answers all yours so you can jerk off. The machine style says every job takes an hour that way they have to hire as many as possible. The city is broke!!!!! I am tired of paying for the socialist model of policing. Get to work or get out!!!
labor contract? rules? the bullshit in the districts is a joke! the boss put 10 people on days on ''hardship''. the bids for furlough and watches are coming up soon. the bid and manage spots will be filled. in febuary ''hardship'' people will start being added to days. midnights are downing beat cars and no wagon..yet they re adding people to days thru the back door? guys file a grievance and wait 3-4 years for a hearing. you think that they dont switch furloughs for some people? we have a huge group of ''entitlment'' people that came on this job. and the bosses cant say no to them. all midnight personel should file for safety concerns.
SUPERVISION IN GENERAL
The department can work with as few sergeants in a district as possible. HELL, just one on the street if need be. If someone has a question.. call on the fucking phone. As far as making sure all the patrolmen are doing their jobs… DO YOUR JOB. The sergeant can check the PCAD in his office to see if someone is dogging a job.. As for a being worried about corruption.. Supervising bad cops.. DO YOUR JOB and don’t break the law.. or YOU GO TO FUCKIN” JAIL.
We are all adults – AND taxpayers. I for one do not want to pay $10,000 @ year in property taxes to live in this city.
11/09/2010 01:03:00 AM
The number one cause of any police scandal was lack of supervision. Look at the scandal in Los Angeles and in New York. Lack of proper supervision was the cause for the corruption. If sgts were monitoring the officers they would have detected the illegal behavior. There must be effective supervision at every level. Every occupation must have proper supervision. Take sgts off the street and watch the chaos. You live in bizarro world.
2 Lt's can run the watch if they get along and split it up. No Lt wants to be W/C unless it is out of grade or they are a moron. The 2 will split it up field Lt. for 2 W/C for 2. Then it can work.
Seems as if the MIU or medical integrity unit is hard at work targeting a sgt for the abuse of the medical roll.
What's his history? He might be legit now, but if he's had a history of hitting the medical, say once every quarter, then this last incident could have been the final straw.
I've worked with a lot of P.O.'s in the past that have done just that. Hit the medical with a cold/flu once every 3 months. Then something happens that requires them to be on it for months. It all adds up. Plus, you have to remember that the people at MIU aren't exactly rocket scientists.
I hope the Sgt in question gets well soon. As far as being "watched" by MIU, I say who cares? If everything is legit and he follows the rules, he's golden.
Desk Sgts are gone as of the 1st Period.
According to the department or your keen sense of detective work?
The department can work with as few sergeants in a district as possible. HELL, just one on the street if need be. If someone has a question.. call on the fucking phone. As far as making sure all the patrolmen are doing their jobs… DO YOUR JOB. The sergeant can check the PCAD in his office to see if someone is dogging a job.. As for a being worried about corruption.. Supervising bad cops.. DO YOUR JOB and don’t break the law.. or YOU GO TO FUCKIN” JAIL.
We are all adults – AND taxpayers. I for one do not want to pay $10,000 @ year in property taxes to live in this city.
11/09/2010 01:03:00 AM
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Where the FUCK do you live? Michael Jacksons ForeverLand?
You sir a a nieve AssHat!!!
And NO we cannot do things the way a 30 man police Department does things, MORON...
We could go down to 1-lieutenant per watch and have the desk sergeant in charge on their day off. No captains, 4-lieutenants(1-tact), and more sergeants per district, talk about savings. No arguments about who is in charge, no worries about two districts, problems solved and lots of saved money.
Captains opted out of Gold Braid Pension so they could retire with less than 3 years in grade as a Captain and benefit from political merit promotion .
10,000 patrolman are paying for the political merit captains and exempt command staff to enjoy a nice retirement .
keepmdrinking the kool aid ,
merit he's a good guy bs
alot of good guys passed the test and are still wearing a blue shirt
Today the Scum-Times has a editorial regarding the pensions of Policemen and Firemen stating the city needs a two tiered system. Ok let's see no one pays into system no one gets paid! City has not paid for years and do you actually think they will! The Police unions in the State of New York filed a class action law suit regarding their pensions when New York tried to forego their funding obligation and go to a two tiered system and LOST they had to fully fund the pension by order of the federal courts! Hey FOP get off your ass and do something!
From the W.T.F. Department:
A P.O. was just reinstated by Jody after not ONCE, not TWICE, but THREE times firing his gun off-duty while intoxicated, at the request of Uncle Terry Hillard.
THEN, he was reassigned to Public Trans. now there is a W.T.F.
Hardly seems worth making the rank of Lieutenant if you're actually going to have to be responsible for even half of the nonsense listed.
While we all know the Desk Sergeant handles the lion's share of the typical WC's duties (and to a lesser extent the near-extinct Watch Secretary), there is still a lot that the Lt. is ultimately responsible for if/when the shit hits the fan...and with the cowards we have on this job, I can't see many Sergeants who'll be willing to "take one for the team" when it comes down to either them or the good Lt. taking a multi-day whack or a pending-separation beef. Now throw in the looming pension ailments to this equation, particularly for someone of rank that has some time to go before they can pull the pin...
Now how about that Draft of the "Zone Captains" bullshit? Have you heard about or seen it yet?
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OT: just want to point out a great useage of manpower and money being well spent... Seems as if the MIU or medical integrity unit is hard at work targeting a sgt for the abuse of the medical roll. Seems as though the sgt who is IOD anf has had two... Thats right not one but two MRI's conducted to verify the injury and is under direct care of a drpartment authorized orthopedic surgeon who has scheduled a surgery date for the sgt. Now this is what I call excellent use of department resources!! Here we have an officer doing everything right and is under care of a medical professional who has determined through two definitive medical test evaluations that the sgt has a diagnosed injury... Has a surgery date scheduled and they are watching him/her for what reason? The sgt has a legit medically proven/verified, documented injury determined by a medical professional and has been approved for surgery... I dont get it... Another well funded purposeful imvestigation... Wow! Happy hunting MIU, seems lime you got yourself a real medical abuser... Go get him.... Morons.
11/09/2010 01:32:00 AM
Am i the only one that it is painfully obvious to that the sgt in question is the author of this post. I mean, jeez, really, you could try a little better to disguise yourself. We get your point sgt. They must be looking at you for a reason tho. Maybe someone tipped them off to you about something? Who knows. But if you're legit, you're legit. You shouldn't have anything to worry about.
These people who were doing a fill in desk sgt for almost a whole year were getting nice double retro checks. No more !
Seems like the idea to shift Captains around is off. It appears that Commander O'Neill came up with the idea himself. And sold it to downtown EB. What was great about this idea was that Captains didn't know what watch or District they were going to work in as of Tues morning one day before change day. O'Neill told the Captains in a meeting last week that this was a done deal and they had no input in it, and to make out PAR forms. It seems he forgot to tell anyone above EB about his great plan. It appears that the department would have to detail some new Lts and that stopped the plan. Maybe what he said at the meeting will happen, "I want this to work, in case I become a Captain again, so there will be a spot for me". Well hope you like working midnights somewhere on the south side, you my friend are an asscap and deserve every bad thing that comes your way. You are mean sprited and have no clue. You are only out to help youself, you have tried to screw every rank in the department. HOPE YOU ENJOY THE 1st WATCH.
Who care anymore? Find fullfillment outside the Dept; you won't find it within, unless you are part of the annointed-clouted-fix crowd. Get a life outside CPD and you won't regret it.
"Anyone with even the slightest grasp of labor law knows that the Captain's contract says they can not eliminate the position ... "
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Show me what part of the contract says that.
Ok, here it is. eliminate the area deputy chiefs and detective division deputy chiefs. All captains and lieutenants will be assigned to one of the five areas. The capt will stay in the area (now the deputy chief's office)and be the area watch commander. They will approve all arrests and handle any problems that may arise in the 5 districts. If there is an extra captain working the most senior capt will decide if he wants to be the inside captain or the outside capt who will be the Area Inspector checking on everyone including the Watch Coordinator Lieuteneants and handeling any problems that the lieutenants can not handle. If there is only one captain working no big deal there just is no field Inspector working that shift in the Area. The lieutenants will be assigned to a district by the Area Captain and are subject to be assigned to any of the 5 districts within the Area for the shift. Extra lieutanants during the shift can roam the Area as Inspectors like the extra captains. Each Chief can have one Deputy Chief as an administrative assistant down in HQ
To 1:03 a.m.
So what you are saying is the "Republican agenda" is fiscally responsible, right? What's wrong with that? They will see the waste and duplication of the waste that is the CPD and they will attempt to correct it. The CPD and city spend so much unnecessary money on BS it's amazing. We are sooooo top heavy that it's kiling us. One quick and easy way to save money is to take away all the unnecessary take home cars and put them back in the hands of the first responders. The rest of the country drives to and from work in their own cars why can't the clouted?
To 1:32 a.m. What the hell are you talking about? You just gave us the Sgt.'s medical history for what reason? You never said a thing about what the MIU did to the Sgt. Make some sense next time instead of rambling on.
As long as nothing happens, we need very little supervision in the street, but when a major crime or incident happens, that is when good street leadership is needed, especially to coordinate different units and Depts. Yesterday's suspicious package on the el platform is a good example. All of the officers, Bomg & Arson ,CFD, CTA, State people did a fantastic job. If it was an active explosive, many lives would have been saved by the great work of the people on scene. Yet there was other crap going on in the District at the same time, shots fired, hazmat, arrests, etc. etc. Someone has to take care of that too. When officers come in and want to find out about taking a day off, vacation ext., get training approved, getting arrests approved, special employment approved, etc. etc. etc. etc.Someone has to be around to make the day-to-day decisions that make things run as well.
T: just want to point out a great useage of manpower and money being well spent... Seems as if the MIU or medical integrity unit is hard at work targeting a sgt for the abuse of the medical roll. Seems as though the sgt who is IOD anf has had two... Thats right not one but two MRI's conducted to verify the injury and is under direct care of a drpartment authorized orthopedic surgeon who has scheduled a surgery date for the sgt. Now this is what I call excellent use of department resources!! Here we have an officer doing everything right and is under care of a medical professional who has determined through two definitive medical test evaluations that the sgt has a diagnosed injury... Has a surgery date scheduled and they are watching him/her for what reason? The sgt has a legit medically proven/verified, documented injury determined by a medical professional and has been approved for surgery... I dont get it... Another well funded purposeful imvestigation... Wow! Happy hunting MIU, seems lime you got yourself a real medical abuser... Go get him.... Morons.
11/09/2010 01:32:00 AM
This is what the MIU does. They dont go after abusers who use the medical to get time off. They go after the legitimate officers who are on limited duty trying to catch them in an act against it. Waste of manpower yet again. They could do real good like when an officer is denied time due and goes on medical.
OT: just want to point out a great useage of manpower and money being well spent... Seems as if the MIU or medical integrity unit is hard at work targeting a sgt for the abuse of the medical roll. Seems as though the sgt who is IOD anf has had two... Thats right not one but two MRI's conducted to verify the injury and is under direct care of a drpartment
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Hey Sarge stop your whining. Obviously someone ratted on you about something. Maybe ex-wife, one of they guys you supervised, your barstool buddies etc. If you under dr. Care you have no worries.
Were they not getting rid of the rank of Captain in the early 90's?
What was the reason to start it up again?? Control? Daley control? Being it's a appointment they got u by the balls. Make Cap's that are younger and have more to lose. Control!!!
We didn't seem to need them then so who cares if we get rid of the rank. 99 % percent of us will never reap the benefits of a Cap's pension so lets get rid of the fat. If 2 Lt.'s can't be told OR decide amongst themselves who's in charge then we are truly FUCKED!! Leadership seems to be a foreign language in this city.
Please quit comparing CPD to suburban departments. I was on a such a dept before Chicago and the whole dept had only 16 people. That's how many cops work inside in many districts. Compare us to NYC, LA, Detroit, Miami, New Orleans, Houston, Dallas, etc. These are cities with multiple police districts/precincts and each one of them, dipshit, has a W/C, field boss (Lt or Senior Sgt) and desk sergeants.
Anyone old enough to remember the three Amigos in 007 know that this won't work.
they want the field lt to be the desk sgt.
I am surprised at the number of people who are willing to throw all the supervisors under the bus and say we have too many. If the Dept starts eliminating positions and then there will be fewer promotions. While not everyone is interested in getting promoted, there are many officers who spend quite of bit of time and effort studying for promotional exams.
It's been mentioned before, but we should unite - 2 man cars on 1st and 3rd watches, full staffing, etc and not be divisive.
Just heard from a reliable, political source: Zone Commanders. 1 Commander per Zone/2 Districts. District manager to be in charge in Commander's absence.
11/09/2010 07:03:00 AM
District Managers are not in the budget for next year
That is a ten second job. His is your report #. Make a list for the dicks of what has been stolen. ET is on the way. Come clear.
It was quicker when we were doing case reports on paper. Now it may be an hour job. Most of the computers in the car "time out" when you try to submit a report on AIRA.
I end up going into the station to do the case report so it doesn't get lost in cyberspace.
Sgt. Jabba da Hut, is that you beefin?
does management & labor affairs section need a Commander or could a sergeant run the unit
jfled make that commander a zone captain in 10 , if it was his idea
RE: Sgt being investigated by MIU.
People on here used to bitch about medical abusers. Now there is a unit investigating them and someone posts on here about the unfairness of a current investigation. Someone who I will guarantee does not know all the facts of that investigation.
Man, will you people make up your minds?
Were they not getting rid of the rank of Captain in the early 90's?
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That MISTAKE came DIRECTLY FROM DALEY back then....so since you think he is the worst thing in the world for the city (I agree) then why are you taking HIS SIDE now?
While we all know the Desk Sergeant handles the lion's share of the typical WC's duties (and to a lesser extent the near-extinct Watch Secretary), there is still a lot that the Lt. is ultimately responsible for if/when the shit hits the fan.
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TOTAL BS
The problem is we have rule by email/crackberry.. No one pays attention to our POLICY and RULES anymore, in fact THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE!! So its no surprise that things are FUBAR!
"Just heard from a reliable, political source: Zone Commanders. 1 Commander per Zone/2 Districts. District manager to be in charge in Commander's absence."
Funny, very funny! Roll another one and inhale deeply.
Capts. have been moved, and FOP lost their grievance re: 10 hr days in 005 and 020 and 6/3 in 008 and 013....all dist. to be on 4/2....
What the miu needs to do is find out how officers who are on limited duty all of a sudden go full duty accept a promotion and then go back to being limited... WTF!!! To the sgt whose having problems w miu just pray they don't return you to full duty. I have proper documentation stating my IOD injury was inoperable and was returned w limitations by four different drs only to be told the med sec had returned me to full duty. When I called they stated the notes meant nothing they required full reports. Wft two city and two of my dr's are they f**kn crazy. At this point my s**t hurts so bad I'll be home for the holidays!!!
A point that no one has brought up...
Due to commanders having to give up unpaid vacation days (24 for the year, or one per pay period). As a result, captains are making more than commanders.
Lieutenants are being detailed out of their area constantly. If a lieutenant is detailed out twice in a period, they will make more than a captain.
So what we have is - lieutenants making more than captains - and captains making more than commanders.
At this rate, no one will want to be promoted......
SCC,
Please scan a copy of today's AMFN message from Downtown Ernie Brown and put it on your site for everyone to see. You must have seen it. There was even a "revised" order that came out after someone read it and said "Hey Ernie, that's not proper English". It read, "Chief Zavala is be retiring....". Holy shit. I almost fell off the chair when I saw that. "Is be retiring"... You're probably too late though. I'm sure the original has been pulled off the site by now, but someone has to have it out there. Come on we need a good laugh.
Mike shields can fix it,. That dude can fly.
Anonymous said...
Captains opted out of Gold Braid Pension so they could retire with less than 3 years in grade as a Captain and benefit from political merit promotion .
10,000 patrolman are paying for the political merit captains and exempt command staff to enjoy a nice retirement .
keepmdrinking the kool aid ,
merit he's a good guy bs
alot of good guys passed the test and are still wearing a blue shirt
11/09/2010 09:34:00 AM
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Wow, you just have no idea how the pension works do you? Everybody, P.O. to Supt, pays in at the same rate, 9 percent. The city doubles that in dollars, 2 years later. When you retire, you get your percentage, from 50 to 75 percent at the best 48 months out of the last 10 years, regardless of rank. There is no "Gold Braid" difference. They pay in higher and take out higher.
You really owe it to yourself to learn how to read and to look this stuff up.
Anonymous said...
As long as nothing happens, we need very little supervision in the street...
11/09/2010 11:40:00 AM
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Unfortunately, you are quite wrong. When nothing happens s exactly when you need effective supercision.
yep 3 amigos
1 white , 1 black , 1hispanic lt
all probably promoted on bogus 1988
lt exam , notify the wc
assign 1 lt per watch and relief lts to an area and it solves the problem of the new merit cloutorious lts fighting for power
there are many officers who spend quite of bit of time and effort studying for promotional exams.
Really! I have a chance of one in one thousand without juice. F-U
From the W.T.F. Department:
A P.O. was just reinstated by Jody after not ONCE, not TWICE, but THREE times firing his gun off-duty while intoxicated, at the request of Uncle Terry Hillard.
THEN, he was reassigned to Public Trans. now there is a W.T.F.
Why isn't this in the paper.
2 Lt's can run the watch if they get along and split it up. No Lt wants to be W/C unless it is out of grade or they are a moron. The 2 will split it up field Lt. for 2 W/C for 2. Then it can work.
11/09/2010 09:03:00 AM
I worked with another Lt. on a Watch. We got along great, split the duties just like you said. I was also a Sgt. on a Watch that had two Lts. They got along well enough. So I can tell you with some authority - it doesn't work.
Someone has to make the call on a dally basis. You can't make manpower decisions for days the other guy is in the chair. Who sets policy? I could go on. As a P.O. you really don't want this either. Who do you go to? It always ends up unproductive and we are already pretty unproductive already.
Anyone old enough to remember the three Amigos in 007 know that this won't work.
11/09/2010 03:19:00 PM
I was at their roll calls and this is the EXACT reason you need Captains.
Anonymous said...
From the W.T.F. Department:
A P.O. was just reinstated by Jody after not ONCE, not TWICE, but THREE times firing his gun off-duty while intoxicated, at the request of Uncle Terry Hillard.
THEN, he was reassigned to Public Trans. now there is a W.T.F.
Why isn't this in the paper.
11/09/2010 11:13:00 PM
Naw! Not in paper on real news source SCC the news autority!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Just heard from a reliable, political source: Zone Commanders. 1 Commander per Zone/2 Districts. District manager to be in charge in Commander's absence.
11/09/2010 07:03:00 AM
District Managers are not in the budget for next year
11/09/2010 04:51:00 PM
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Even if they were, they cannot be in charge of anything regarding law enforcement duties. No training and no knowledge. I want to be a fly on the wall when the District Manager tries to tell the Watch Commander how to deploy resources, etc.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Seems like the idea to shift Captains around is off. It appears that Commander O'Neill came up with the idea himself. And sold it to downtown EB. What was great about this idea was that Captains didn't know what watch or District they were going to work in as of Tues morning one day before change day. O'Neill told the Captains in a meeting last week that this was a done deal and they had no input in it, and to make out PAR forms. It seems he forgot to tell anyone above EB about his great plan. It appears that the department would have to detail some new Lts and that stopped the plan. Maybe what he said at the meeting will happen, "I want this to work, in case I become a Captain again, so there will be a spot for me". Well hope you like working midnights somewhere on the south side, you my friend are an asscap and deserve every bad thing that comes your way. You are mean sprited and have no clue. You are only out to help youself, you have tried to screw every rank in the department. HOPE YOU ENJOY THE 1st WATCH.
11/09/2010 10:36:00 AM
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Don't tell that to any of the Captains on the list of changes today. They think they're going to different districts because they put a par form in.
Wow, you just have no idea how the pension works do you? Everybody, P.O. to Supt, pays in at the same rate, 9 percent. The city doubles that in dollars, 2 years later. When you retire, you get your percentage, from 50 to 75 percent at the best 48 months out of the last 10 years, regardless of rank. There is no "Gold Braid" difference. They pay in higher and take out higher.
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What YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND is that the exempts used to pay into the pension at their civil service rank, e.g. Lt. or Capt. And then receive either a Lt. or Capt. pension when they retire. The exempt rank was just more money while they worked in that rank.
The exempts had the "Gold Braid" bill passed to pay into the pension, and then recieve an exempt pension. That's why today they're recieving exorbitant pensions.
The "Gold Braid" bill should go the same way as civil service. It is killing the pension.
I think Commanders ought to get a new uniform. That is what is needed, something to command the respect they deserve. A light ivory colored blouse and matching pants with gold braid up the outside seam on the pants. Also a white hat with matching gold brain on the hat.
And gold braid epaulets on the shoulders with golden fringe like Frazier Thomas had on Garfield Goose.
Yeah, that would do it.
The dicks can dress like Beauregard Burnside III.
Hotdogs, hamburgers, spaghetti and meatballs!
Don O'Neil is the architect of this plan, from start to finish. It's a mixture of blind ambition, secret meetings about budget reduction, skirting the contracts, and personal vendettas. We got your message Don, loud and clear. You don't know how a watch operates, and you don't care about the Copper working the beat, or the Sergeant trying to hold things together.
Don O'Neil is an opportunist, and the poster child for everything that's wrong with this organization.
He has now branded himself as someone to be purged in the near future in order to restore integrity to this organization.
Anonymous said...
Wow, you just have no idea how the pension works do you...___________________________________
What YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND is that the exempts used to pay into the pension at their civil service rank, e.g. Lt. or Capt. And then receive either a Lt. or Capt. pension when they retire. The exempt rank was just more money while they worked in that rank.
The exempts had the "Gold Braid" bill passed to pay into the pension, and then recieve an exempt pension. That's why today they're recieving exorbitant pensions.
The "Gold Braid" bill should go the same way as civil service. It is killing the pension.
11/10/2010 01:36:00 AM
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Yes you are correct, but this was changed when you were probably still in diapers, around 1970 or so. Exempt paying in, and drawing out based on their exempt salary is not a mmajor problem. You may as well argue that everyone should pay in, and draw out at the salary of a P.O., of course that would remove a major incentive for promotion.
The problem with the pension is that it is initially underfunded. The percentages have to be raised, as well as the city's contribution. Will that happen, I doubt it. Remember also that for the last several years widow(er)s of PO's that remarry have been allowed to continue receiving their survivors pension. Everyone of you should remember too that disability is also using up pension funds. As a very wise old boss used to say,"Anyone on the medical is using city money, when they go on disability they are using our money." Anyway, it ain't just the "Gold Braid"
Stop complaining or I'll send this department back to rotating shifts every period!
Squad, event number for a bus check please... 99
As a sgt working field patrol in 3 different districts on the North side both days and nights since 1995 I can say with all honesty, never see a field lt hit the street unless God forbid a police officer gets hurt or killed and then its only to see how the sergeant handled the situation prior to the rest of the white shirts higher up the line making a show up,....ok maybe once or twice more each year for a very special news worthy event; but seriously as everyone working the street knows the sgts respond to every single thing that requires a white shirt....hey I even recall when they would pay us out of grade to do so....but stopped when it became to much extra pay? Or because it gave away the duck and run shenanigans that occur every time two lts are scheduled to work the same shift. 4Hr work days are so addicting. Capts where they exist either ride the medical or jump on board until their gold braid super exempt job evolves. So, yes we could get by with a lot less empty holsters getting paid very big wages and pensions. One w/c and a spare is more than enough. And of course the senior by time in rank is the w/c on overlappping work days...but with 4/2 (wonderful!) that doesn't amount to much. By the way, desk sgts actually do 3/4 of all the inside decision making processes, and cover for the w/c in every way so don't worry about w/c being overworked. lol the unchecked abuse of power has suffered the one-two punch at last. Beautiful to witness from the street.
boys and girls do not take your eye off the ball all this talk of zone captains lts etc is all a smokescreen who cares who is what and in what building there is a move afoot i am sure to re assign people as needed (po's) and they are working very hard to circumvent the contract while we are discussing this bs they are looking for ways to fuck people out of good places to work thank god jody on way out things will be different when rahm is here he hasa soft spot for the police cause people in his family he actually likes are on the job or were on the job hang in there.
Anonymous said...
Anyone old enough to remember the three Amigos in 007 know that this won't work.
11/09/2010 03:19:00 PM
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:)
Not only do I remember them, I remember the GREAT Sergeant Bonds.
They will NEVER have another Sergeant Bonds...God rest his soul!
Stop complaining or I'll send this department back to rotating shifts every period!
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I would not want to do that again, too old now, but man we had some fun in those days. The watch parties? legendary.
1035 & 919
GROW UP!!! No one cares about your whining and recognize that only the Supt has the power to do what you claim. MLAS is there to take the heat for the City and the Department. Crawl back under your rock and enjoy your $160K+ & your time on days without trying to stab someone in the back who actually has the integrity you lack.
From the W.T.F. Department:
A P.O. was just reinstated by Jody after not ONCE, not TWICE, but THREE times firing his gun off-duty while intoxicated, at the request of Uncle Terry Hillard.
THEN, he was reassigned to Public Trans. now there is a W.T.F.
If true, there should be a SCC investigative thread on this.
Stop complaining or I'll send this department back to rotating shifts every period!
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I would not want to do that again, too old now, but man we had some fun in those days. The watch parties? legendary.
11/11/2010 02:43:00 PM
Watch parties, card games, drinking...oh what fun.
albany inn
011th dist.
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