J-Fled Must Go
Police Supt. Jody Weis is a goner no matter who is elected mayor, but only Gery Chico and Carol Moseley Braun are committed to choosing a replacement from within the ranks of the Chicago Police Department.
Miguel del Valle wants ten years to fill more than 1,100 police vacancies. Rahm Emanuel and Chico are open to letting police officers live outside the city, but Braun and del Valle want to keep the residency rule.
All four major candidates for mayor are vying for the endorsement of the Fraternal Order of Police, which has been at loggerheads with Mayor Daley and Weis.
Their written responses to an FOP questionnaire will not only help determine who gets the nod. The answers provide a window into their approach to public safety issues.
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posted by SCC at 8:00 AM
141 Comments:
" Emanuel’s six-point plan includes restructured benefits and shared sacrifice between taxpayers and city employees".
Yeah, like he expects us to sacrifice more.
If Rahm is elected mayor...the FOP needs to start a class action lawsuit against the city regarding the residency issue for it's employee's. If Rahm can go to Washington, and rent out his place here in Chicago, with "every intention of coming back" then every single city employee should be afforded the same opportunity...
O.K. let's say the new mayor does in fact promote 'from within.'
WHO would be a good choice?
I've been a fan of Chuck Ramsey especially since he left many coppers I spoke with are happy with him.
He may want to come back to 'run' the Dept. since Daley is gone and the new person may allow it now.
i'm moving
We have a chance to elect more than a few of our own to the City Council and other offices.
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Being a police officer doesn't necessarily make you the best choice. There are a few coppers running that will never have anybodies well being in mind save there own.
Read about them. Ask people that worked with them. Above all, remember that the usual suspects are narcissistic know it alls. You will know them when you see them.
Look at Eddie Burke and you will see a lot of similarities in guys you don't want in office. Stay away from the lawyers and think about business men/women. "I've always wanted to get into politics" should be another phrase that scares you.
BRAUN KEEPS ON STUMBLING!
DONT WORRY EVERYBODY DANNY DAVIS STILL HASNT REMOVE HIS NAME OFFICIALLY FROM THE BALLOT!
WE R ALL SAVED!!?!?
DONT WORRY NAVY PIER IS SOLD
NEXT THE TASTE
AND FINALLY THE WATER DEPARTMENT !
Contrary to popular belief residency is a law. Its not a negotiable contract matter. So the pols saying anything different are lying to get Fops endorsement. And considering about 30% at best of police vote why the big push to get the endorsement anyway.
Note Rahm's responses. Further indication that he will bring back Shields if he wins.
I for one don't want the residency rule lifted either. While it would be nice to be able to live in the suburbs away from this city, the suburbs aren't getting any better since we shipped all of the welfare sucking project rats out there. On top of that, an already crippled housing market would get even worse because everyone would be trying to sell and leave. Who exactly is going to buy your house? Our housing prices in this city would really plunge then. Like they always say, be careful what you wish for.
One of the most important elections? What elections? Emanuel got the nod...he's in.
I read Moseley Braun's response that she sent back to the FOP.
It was like a dull-witted 5th grader that had to do a homework assignment.
Her answers were all 2 line blow-off statements.
This old broad should pack it in and be grateful that she was given the opportunity to BULLSHIT her way into the U.S Senate for a cup of coffee.
I was most impressed by Chico's B.S.
At least he sent in 5 pages of responses (at a 14 font size)
I'll vote for him.
Don't vote for this Twit...
He hand wrote his responses
check out:
www.chicagofop.org/mayoral
/white.pdf
The National Review Online.com article written by Michelle Malkin on 5 JAN 11, " Chicago on the Potomac " connects the dot's on the Daley-Emanuel-Obama-Daley axis of evil. A must read.
So, Rahm plans to give CPD the freedom to live wherever we want to, but he plans to ALTER EXISTING PENSION PAYOUTS?
Sorry, but as a retiree who still lives here and votes here, he lost my vote with this one.
Carol Mosely Braun stated she would bring back "walking beats" and "Midnight Basketball Games". What a dumb waste of air, yet she comes from a "police family" huh? How bout dem Tax Returns huh Carol? How is someone going to run for public office yet refuse to be transparent? "Cuz I don't want to"...will be my response next time my supervisor asks me to answer for something or next time I'm in court. You go girl!!!
Ten years to hire 1,100 officers? About 500 officers retire each year.So to replace 5,000 officers he will hire 1,100? Where is the logic? How low will they let the manpower drop on the street?
Emanuel has no choice on the residency issue. Consider the fact that he himself owned "rental property" that he is using as his Chicago address. How can he force any employee of the City to live here if the Mayor himself has not. Chicago Police and City employees are not sending their kids to parochial schools because they are simply religious.Neither Mayor Daley sent any of his kids to a Public Scholl. The fact remains that most cops and firefighters are paying 10 to 15% of their income to send their kids to decent schools. Many people have turned down City employment over this issue and we remain one of the few major cities in the nation that requires residency for employment. If this residency is lifted, the Catholic School system in Chicago will implode or become the new Magnet School System. We really are living in remarkable times.
residency rule may be thrown out the window? OK, I wouldnt want to live here either, but now every city worker is gonna want out , and CRIME will get worse... UGH what in the hell do we do? TAX increase again !!
FUCK this state & city ...I will not buy shit here, and CHICAGO is gonna take the final FLUSH being the shithole that it is.. We r fucked
What ever happened to Patrick Daley and his cousins case with the MCC waste company? They stole millions and it's documented but good ole Patrick quickly decided to leave the country and join the Army. This country/city is a joke..."Change" . Yea....
Does anyone really think that rahm or Chico would let the working class of city employees leave the city? While I do think it's it unconstitutional, it is better for the city. How many do you think will actually pick up and leave?
All management will change regardless of who wins. The one thing that is obvious is that Chico is the most responsive to our needs. We do not need another guy that plays world ambassador on our tax dollars.
Thanks.
Keep us informed on these issues please. I know, I know we should be informing ourselves and doing our own research.
And I agree completely. Everybody needs to vote!
Hopefully, collectively we can come up with some good discussion and a united stance.
rahm will say anything to get elected. as soon as he's in he will not give a crap about promises he made
bye bye possum head and don't let the door hit you or your cats on the way out---- your talent has humbled all of us who thought we knew everything before you showed up......
Maybe he could get a job in Mayberry?
Not the top slot, but the deputy's position?
Do not, I repeat DO NOT let the FOP negotiate residency! If the FOP negotiates residency we will lose some big benefits that those before us fought very hard for.
All city unions from police, fire, streets and sans, etc who have the residency requirement need to ban together and have the law changed in Springfield. Plan and simple, when all those who are affected by this ban together and show that we are the last major city with this bullshit and that if the city is willing to negotiate on it, then representatives in Springfield cannot deny changing the law.
If the law is changed the city cannot deny us living out of the city and we lose nothing in return. If you let the unions negotiate for residency then we are all going to lose some big benefits for life.
You going to give a up a step raise, baby furlough days, personal days, 365 medical, etc to be able to live out of the city? You will lose money giving these things up and will lose money in paying higher taxes in the burbs.
I am all for getting rid of residency but do not let them take something away. The state is already taking away this year and next year’s raise with the new income tax.
Stay focused and do not lose what was fought for us.
I like chico
lifting the residency could just be talk. who knows and i bet if its rahm will give you a list of some undesirable burbs to live in anyway. Harvey here i come
if we go the fire side will go, i dont know if this is good or bad in the long term for the tax base (future raises).
"Rahm Emanuel and Chico are open to letting police officers live outside the city, but Braun and del Valle want to keep the residency rule."
This is total BS! They are pulling the old "bait and switch" on us. We (city employees) are a guaranteed tax base. They will not let us live outside the city for fear of losing that guaranteed $$ in their pockets.
These two will promise to let us live out, then after taking office, will come up with the excuses as to why it is not feasible. Don't fall for this trap!
Its all BS about the residency. All they are saying is they would look into it. If they had any plans at all to drop it, they would have said so.
Big question is what Emmanuel said about the pension Pay close attention to this
"Restructured benefits" sure doesn't mean he is going to raise the benefits.
"Shared sacifice between city employees and taxpayers" means what larger contributions by members of the CPD. Someone should get his real views or plans about our pension seeing that the FOP hasn't pinned him down
Remember the state already put the new hires on a two tier pension , so his plan is in addition to that
del Valle is against lifting the residency requirement according to his FOP questionnaire. I liked the rest of his responses and as far as I can see he is as far more removed from the Daley crime family than Emanuel or Chico. Braun has NO shot. Residency, while being a significant box to check on the wish list of myself and other PO's, I just don't think it would benefit us as a collective union in relation to what we may have to give up to get it. The housing situation/crisis has brought values down dramatically. What are the chances 1) you could sell your house in this environment and, 2) would you be able to recoup at the very least, what you owe and at best, your full investment? While the answer to #1 is obviously yes due to the fact that everything will sell if priced right, #2 isn't very probable. So, residency is a moot issue for the minimum, in my opinion, 5-8 more years. Sorry to inform the reader, but most of us paying a mortgage in the city aren't going to see values of homes appreciate near term. In fact, prices will continue to fall over the next 1-3 years as the glut of foreclosures will only get worse as the numbers of houses in foreclosure is currently under reported.
I don't know if del Valle has a shot. But do we really want Emanuel? Who am I kidding? We don't have a choice. Emanuel was pre-ordained when he left as NObama's Chief of Staff. If anyone doubts that, no need to look any further than the appointment of Daley crime family member, Bill Daley.
This country, due to the "Chicago " political connection, is in the clutches of the grim reaper. The city of Chicago will see the exit of the worst mayor in it's history, only to be outdone by the incoming evil that lies in wait. God help us!
The article relative to replacing Weis also reads:
"Emanuel would only say that 'familiarity and past employment with' the Chicago Police Department would be a factor."
Okay, I guess that pretty much answers that. Bend over, grab your ankles, and say "hello" to Superintendent Luberman.
So, looks like our choices are Rahm or Chico.
They are at least open to letting us move. There would be a mass exodus if implemented.
"Open to" doesn't sound too reassuring, but it's better than nothing.
Fire fighter family member told me Rahm was at the firehouse asking the fire fighters if they work a second job and if their spouses have to work, etc.
He made a good impression on them and didn't go into any politics. He was just asking questions and listening to them. I'm not sure what I think of him yet.
END RESIDENCY once and for all. To all you naysayers, you'll save hundreds of thousands of dollars on school tuition if you have kids. Let's get out from under the grip of the city and be able to live in low crime suburban areas. NYPD and LAPD are both afforded the priviledge so why shouldn't we be able to also.
Let's go with Chico. He is the only only that will get rid of Weiss and get rid of the residency requirement. Both positive for us. He is a true "Chicagoan" and knows how, somewhat, to run a business. He is also dirty enough to know the players and doesn't portray himself as the "Consensus Latino Candidate" or any other such moniker. They all suck but anyone but Braun or the Ballerino.
OT. Facebook gangster beating. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=089oIPDVf58
Chico is the best choice, hands down.
LISTEN!!!!! Why is it that Chicago has got only these candidates? Is this the best Chicago can come up with? For example Carol Moseley Braun has got a financial crisis on her hands YET is getting money from some one or where. The tax returns show that she has hardly any money. Isn't this is how drug dealers get caught? WTF? Wake up Chicago. Why can't we have an intelligent candidate in the candidate pool? Gosh, is everyone just corrupt around here?
The most important issue of all is the pension!!!
Who intends to leave it alone, and who intends to diminish what we spend our entire lives working for?
We're not the ones that screwed up the pension fund, the politicians are!
Let's make sure that the person that we endorse agrees to leave our benefits where they are!!!!
I've yet to see a politician who intends to cut his pension... Lets not elect one who intends to mess with ours!!!
I for one don't want the residency rule lifted either. While it would be nice to be able to live in the suburbs away from this city, the suburbs aren't getting any better since we shipped all of the welfare sucking project rats out there.1/07/2011 10:02:00 AM
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You do realize if residency is lifted, it doesn't force city employee/residents to leave the city, but gives city employee/residents the OPTION of leaving the city.
Thus, if residency is lifted, you can stay in Chicago as you wish, and others can move to the suburbs, as they wish.
Like J-Fled upon hearing gunfire, I'm out.
"He made a good impression on them and didn't go into any politics. He was just asking questions and listening to them. I'm not sure what I think of him yet.
1/07/2011 01:38:00 PM"
with your perspective, you should carry with you, at all times, a tube of k-y. You're gonna need it.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
O.K. let's say the new mayor does in fact promote 'from within.'
WHO would be a good choice?
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Seiser, of course. That way he could officially run it....
"Someone should get his real views or plans about our pension seeing that the FOP hasn't pinned him down
Remember the state already put the new hires on a two tier pension , so his plan is in addition to that
1/07/2011 01:30:00 PM"
no one will ever get 'his real views' until he shoves them deep up our asses after he's 'elected'.
The only thing that can be taken for it's face value is that JFled the Fuckface will likely be GONE after the election. Other than that, go re-read the residency statements and then notice that these comments are all in response to an FOP questionnaire.
The answers mean not a fucking thing, especially the residency, because if you think Emanuel's gonna steal this election you're right. But if you slow down and read his statement you'll see it's just a first of many lies to city employees, of which he prefaces his "maybe" comment with "IF IT DOESN'T AFFECT POLICING", which you know for a fact this fucker's gonna claim policing will be damaged if we're all allowed to get the fuck outta this shithole, soon-to-be-Detroit all ghetto city.
Residency being lifted from Emanuel? Not on your fuckin' life and he tells you plain as day in the article that you AREN'T gonna be allowed to go, you just didn't see it.
And as for the rest of it, don't go thinking you're gonna vote for this runt fucker Emanuel because of these campaign lies, read his last comments because THAT'S what's gonna happen to us, he's gonna try at every turn to porchfuck us out of our pensions and force US to make up the difference DALEY refused to put in.
Watch, learn, and try and find a competent lawyer that's willing to file suit against Daley when Emanuel fucks us out of our pensions.
"Not the top slot, but the deputy's position?
1/07/2011 12:47:00 PM"
sorry, but he's woefully unqualified.
but, suggest it to Sheriff Taylor, he could use a good laugh.
Lift this residency already. Only problem is that it is going to have to come from Springfield... hence my skepticisim. Vote for Rham for the residency, he makes good knowing it wont happen, sends a request to springfield, where Madigan kills it. Nifty politics the chicago way, and I'm not buying it just yet... Freedom to live where I choose would be a fantastic idea. And some of you need to stop freaking out. Not everybody is going to cut and run. (I'm GONE. The very second they lift residency I'm section 8ing out my house and getting the hell out of detroit. err...chicago)
Your living a dream if you think the residency will be lifted. Will not happen and will not benefit the city or the politian in anyway. Hell, if the mayor lets you live outside the city, he is encouraging his voters to leave the city and not be able to vote anymore
Anonymous Anonymous said...
All management will change regardless of who wins. The one thing that is obvious is that Chico is the most responsive to our needs. We do not need another guy that plays world ambassador on our tax dollars.
1/07/2011 12:27:00 PM
COME ON!! People! Braun is done, the hispanic vote won't carry the other clown, leaving chico and emmanuel. BOTH are a product of the machine, so... THE END RESULT WILL BE THE SAME. Sheesh. Some of you need to at least TRY to keep up... dick runs the city...John Daley runs the county.. bill Daley keeps the white house in check... Emmanuel and Chico are both at bidding of the daleys, as is Barack...(how else did billy boy end up on capitol hill...again) And daddy madigan runs the state at the bidding of the daleys, which is easier to do considering the atty general is baby madigan. NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE.
I guess nobody read the John Hu response.
Although a bit childish and naive in spots, he obviously spent some time trying to figure out exactly what to say to appear as tho he's on our side.
What ever happened to Patrick Daley and his cousins case with the MCC waste company? They stole millions and it's documented but good ole Patrick quickly decided to leave the country and join the Army. This country/city is a joke..."Change" . Yea....
1/07/2011 12:07:00 PM
Patrick joined the US Army as an enlisted man (despite having a masters degree). He now resides in RUSSIA! where federal subpoenas can't reach him.
Anonymous said...
Do not, I repeat DO NOT let the FOP negotiate residency! If the FOP negotiates residency we will lose some big benefits that those before us fought very hard for.
-----SPEAK FOR YOURSELF and give me the choice to leave.
Looking for trade - 3 bed, 2.5 bath newer home. Minutes from downtown. Horrible schools, unsafe neighborhood, small yard with tall fences, no view. Looking for in return, a cardboard box outside of the city.
Mayor Rahm Emanuel=Superintendent MMM
If you get to live out, how much will you get for that Mt Grnwood dump?
Prices will go down.
***********35th alert***************
Attention SCC newsroom (Voice of the working copper)! Looks like jfled is launching an "Investigation"again trying to figure out who contacted the SCC news network about his coming "changes" Oh dam now they will wait until he finds who told! LOL! Boss look around you,go outside breath that is who leaked it and published information "spirits of the air sir"!
Do not, I repeat DO NOT let the FOP negotiate residency! If the FOP negotiates residency we will lose some big benefits that those before us fought very hard for.
All city unions from police, fire, streets and sans, etc who have the residency requirement need to ban together and have the law changed in Springfield. Plan and simple, when all those who are affected by this ban together and show that we are the last major city with this bullshit and that if the city is willing to negotiate on it, then representatives in Springfield cannot deny changing the law.
If the law is changed the city cannot deny us living out of the city and we lose nothing in return. If you let the unions negotiate for residency then we are all going to lose some big benefits for life.
You going to give a up a step raise, baby furlough days, personal days, 365 medical, etc to be able to live out of the city? You will lose money giving these things up and will lose money in paying higher taxes in the burbs.
I am all for getting rid of residency but do not let them take something away. The state is already taking away this year and next year’s raise with the new income tax.
Stay focused and do not lose what was fought for us.
You are 100% correct!!!!!
If Rahm is elected mayor...the FOP needs to start a class action lawsuit against the city regarding the residency issue for it's employee's. If Rahm can go to Washington, and rent out his place here in Chicago, with "every intention of coming back" then every single city employee should be afforded the same opportunity...
As I said before, if Rahm is allowed to run, and with the new definition of "residency", every city worker, Police and Fireman can reside in a suburb, rent their house out in the city, leave a box in the basement and say "I will eventually go back to the city home, maybe when the kids are out of college", and there's nothing the city can say. They are redefining residency...whats good for Rahm is good for us.
Do what they do in Boston, must be on job 10 years before you can move out. At least it's a start.
Yes, elect some police officers to the city counsel. Like Burke and Beavers.Is Burke your friend? Ever have trouble getting medical bills paid for IOD? Just saying. Beavers? Ever work for some of his political promotions in the department? Just saying.
The writer who is saying that residency is a law is talking out of his ass. It might be a city ordinance, that that can be overcome with union negotiations. However, Chicago Lodge 7 is prohibited from negotiating for this by state law. This does not mean that the mayor and city counsel cannot grant it if they wish. Check your facts.
Hey if someone loves this city and wants to live in it I have no problem, but let those of us that don't want to live here move out? I see how even the "promised land" in 016 is falling fast and is getting worse. I bet only 25% of police would move anyways for different reasons, which is respectable. If you say I knew I had to live here when I signed up you get a big FUCK YOU.
residency, come on guys get over it already, half of us couldnt sell our homes in this economy, and if we could, move where, some shit suburb full of ghetto transplants? Forget about residency, stop bitiching about it. Like others here said, if they did give it to us, they would fuck us somewhere else, like our our pensions. NO THANKS. oh, and all these scumbag politicians can say what ever they want in our mean nothing fop questionaires,their replies are not bound by anything, they can do whatever they want once in power. dont fall for their bullshit lies to get our votes, they are politicians remember? unfortunately all the candidates are slim pickings. And I definately would not vote for most of these guys/cops I work around. This shit will never change short of right wing revolution. do your time, dont get killed/locked up. save your money, get the fuck out of this dump and enjoy your retirement/family with a good pension/def.comp. hopefully.
Vote for Chico.
Bring back Dan Dugan as a Civilian Supt. of CPD.
Don't lift residency. That will be the demise of our future salaries (increases and Steps). We are our own tax base.
The city has to stop giving away freebies to the "free loaders". IE. Free heat, electric and housing. F*** em if "they" can't pay, "they" can move to another city where "they" can be a drain on life and that city's budget.
I don't know where you got all of your info from, but i read all of the mayoral surveys. Miguel DelValle, not just Chico(Daley Jr. in my opinion) also stated that the next supt. should be from within the Dept. I wish we could all reside out of the city, but lets be real, thats not happening anytime soon no matter what any of these candidates are saying. This is an opportunity for us and the city for a new beginning. Rahm = trouble for us all. Chico = Daley administration all over again, and we all know how that is. In my opinion, DelValle is our best shot. The man has over 20 yrs in politics and not 1 scandal. For further info on Delvalle check out his webpage at www.delvalleformayor.com
Dugan for Superintendent!!
Anonymous said...
O.K. let's say the new mayor does in fact promote 'from within.'
WHO would be a good choice?
I've been a fan of Chuck Ramsey especially since he left many coppers I spoke with are happy with him.
He may want to come back to 'run' the Dept. since Daley is gone and the new person may allow it now.
1/07/2011 09:16:00 AM
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Ramsey has many many ghosts in his closet.
One is Barbara McDonald.
Barbara and Luberman are very very close friends.
O.K. let's say the new mayor does in fact promote 'from within.'
WHO would be a good choice?
I've been a fan of Chuck Ramsey especially since he left many coppers I spoke with are happy with him.
He may want to come back to 'run' the Dept. since Daley is gone and the new person may allow it now.
1/07/2011 09:16:00 AM
No way. We don't need him anymore. Stop trolling for votes for him. We have some qualified people right here. Chuck and Barbara McDonald and Huberman had their day. Next.
I agree with the post about the housing crisis will make a residency requirement a moot point for at least the next 5-8 years. What we REALLY NEED TO WORRY ABOUT is our PENSIONS folks! THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS!
"'Emanuel’s six-point plan includes restructured benefits and shared sacrifice between taxpayers and city employees.'
"Yeah, like he expects us to sacrifice more."
--1/07/2011 08:57:00 AM
Ha! While the Daley Crime Family -- that extends all the way into the White House and international banking -- runs away with the money.
"Shared sacrifice."
That's as bad as those desperate "Patients must take a more active part in their own care" pamphlets they're handing out at hospitals to try to get themselves off the hook for medication f___ups, oxygen not turned on, IVs dripping onto the floor, non-English-speaking staff, etc.
YOU'RE supposed to tell the doctor to wash his hands now. Oh, brother. Just try it, with so many FMGs -- foreign medical graduates -- strutting around like God almighty with the attitude that even the nurses had better get on their knees before even speaking to them about anything at all.
Unbelievable -- between every line, it says "We're incompetent," "We're negligent," "We've lost control."
Blame the victim. It's really the way to go these days...
"What ever happened to Patrick Daley and his cousins case with the MCC waste company? They stole millions and it's documented but good ole Patrick quickly decided to leave the country and join the Army. This country/city is a joke..."Change" . Yea...."
Do you really think little Paddy left because of that? Rumor I heard is he left for far worse things.
"Carol Mosely-Braun stated she would bring back...'Midnight Basketball Games.'"
--1/07/2011 10:56:00 AM
I got an idea!
How about "9-5 Daytime Jobs" for the "underprivileged?
Naw. Never fly...
Hey SCC how about a poll of sorts...Can you pull one off?
How many PO's COULD 'really' move out if given the opportunity?
And coppers, you need to factor in things such as present home value, home prices & taxes in desirable 'burbs and the (perhaps) dditional travel costs.
For instance, if you presently can barely make your mortgage and are sending your kids to public school, could you REALLY afford to move?
Anonymous said...
What ever happened to Patrick Daley and his cousins case with the MCC waste company? They stole millions and it's documented but good ole Patrick quickly decided to leave the country and join the Army. This country/city is a joke..."Change" . Yea....
1/07/2011 12:07:00 PM
Patrick joined the US Army as an enlisted man (despite having a masters degree). He now resides in RUSSIA! where federal subpoenas can't reach him.
1/07/2011 03:37:00 PM
Patrick went to West Point and dropped out so he still had a 6 year commitment that he sign for when he went to the point. The army put the screws to him about his commitment he didn't go on his own.
"Fire fighter family member told me Rahm was at the firehouse asking the fire fighters if they work a second job and if their spouses have to work, etc."
Rahm: Do you work a 2nd job?
FF: Of course I do.
Rahm: Does your spouce work?
FF: Of course.
Rahm to himself "They don't need any more money or benifits. Maybe we can cut 'em"
Thanks FF, we get what you get.
The writer who is saying that residency is a law is talking out of his ass. It might be a city ordinance, that that can be overcome with union negotiations. However, Chicago Lodge 7 is prohibited from negotiating for this by state law. This does not mean that the mayor and city counsel cannot grant it if they wish. Check your facts.
1/07/2011 05:06:00 PM
i believe its both actually. the city has an ordinance that requires city employees to live in the city. that ordinance is only allowed to be in place because of a state law that gives certain cities with a certain population (only chicago applies) the ability to enforce that ordinance. the state law enabling the exemption for the city must be changed and our combined unions should be spending all their time and money dealing with this issue and the pension issue in springfield. if i hear on more fop rep or potential rep saying how great it is they fought for us to be able to carry a gun off duty when im 80 in alabama, i will shoot him or her with that same gun.
Does anyone really think that rahm or Chico would let the working class of city employees leave the city? While I do think it's it unconstitutional, it is better for the city. How many do you think will actually pick up and leave?
1/07/2011 12:15:00 PM
The young officers with small kids so that they can send them to suburban schools and not CPS or pay through the nose for private school. Those are the ones who will be getting out of here and anyone else, esp. those on the NW side who are seeing section 8 waters rise faster than ever. Hello Park Ridge.
Anonymous said...
The writer who is saying that residency is a law is talking out of his ass. It might be a city ordinance, that that can be overcome with union negotiations. However, Chicago Lodge 7 is prohibited from negotiating for this by state law. This does not mean that the mayor and city counsel cannot grant it if they wish. Check your facts.
1/07/2011 05:06:00 PM
Other than the labor law, as you state, it is just a city ordinance and a condition of employment of the Chicago Police Department.
You sign the paper acknowledging that and agreeing to live within the city and attesting that you do, in fact, live in the city.
So, can the mayor unilaterally throw it out? Can he employ his daughter at Navy Pier? His son as an administrative aid in his office? Can he run all sorts of rigged contracts, bids etc?
Can he do whatever the fuck he wants? Why yes, he can, and he has for many years.
Anonymous said...
I like chico
1/07/2011 01:01:00 PM
I always thought groucho was cool
You cant compare Emmanuel's situation on residency with ours. His was a ruling on eligibility to run for office and was ruled on by a board governings voting. Has nothing to do with us, their ruling doesnt affect us one way or the other. Its like apples and oranges
the feds could have gottten daley's kid a month or so ago when he was in town for the mares announcement he will not run again,just saying.
Even if it's a law to live here, laws can be changed. Plenty of other cities fought and won the right to live where you can feel safe. As a citizen of the City of Chicago, I do not feel like my family is safe here. I would vote for someone who would change this old fashioned law. Every person should have the freedom to live and work where they want.
After reading all the responses.....it seems that GERY CHICO is the candidate we should be choosing. Never once have you heard him say he is the consensus "Latino" candidate or that he has brought race into the election...actually for those that want to know he is half Greek/white and half Latino. outside of that he seems to be the candidate that wants to hire alot of police...is in favor of protecting us as policeman and respects the job that we do. Also he is in favor of protecting our pensions...funding them....promoting a superintendint from within....negotiate contracts in a timely manner etc. now could he be saying this to get our endorsement???? possibly......but look at it this way....he is the lesser of all the evils that our running! CHICO FOR MAYOR!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
O.K. let's say the new mayor does in fact promote 'from within.'
WHO would be a good choice?
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Seiser, of course. That way he could officially run it....
1/07/2011 03:09:00 PM
Commander Kuptcheck 008 Distrct (I know I got the spelling wrong). Very fair guy, We loved him in 011 when he was our W/C on midnights a few years back
52 days until jfled is gone.
a vote for emanuel is a vote for hubberman for TOP COP
thats why I sold my house five years ago! i can leave this shit hole anytime I want to. got a no lease place. landlord loves the fact that im police.....try It. and join me in the burbs.. cant wait, my kid is in high school next year. no tuition and great education!!!
**John Hu** makes the most sense but probably dosn't have a chance. The next best is Chico...
Read: http://www.chicagofop.org/mayoral/hu.pdf
Anonymous said...
Anonymous said...
O.K. let's say the new mayor does in fact promote 'from within.'
WHO would be a good choice?
I've been a fan of Chuck Ramsey especially since he left many coppers I spoke with are happy with him.
He may want to come back to 'run' the Dept. since Daley is gone and the new person may allow it now.
1/07/2011 09:16:00 AM
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I like Chuck Ramsey too. There is only one problem. Ernie Brown is his guy. DTB was the Ram's admin sergeant, back in the day. Brown has to go... for good this time.
If Rahm is elected mayor...the FOP needs to start a class action lawsuit against the city regarding the residency
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Where the hell would you move to?
McHenry County and travel 2 hours in shit weather to work?
If residency is ever gone and city employees flee our fair shit-hole.. property values in the city will take a dump and YOU will take a loss on your property when you would try to move.
Homes in the collar areas will increase and let’s face it... they are still SHIT areas to live thanks to all the mutts that live everywhere near Chicago.
Just move to the 41st Ward with the rest of us.. Send your kid to a somewhat decent public school like most of us with sense are doing.
When you sell your overpriced house after 32 years and a day at least you will make a profit and then you can move out of this
shit-hole state all together.
Besides… if we ALL moved out this town, it would turn into DETROIT . . .
One payday you would go online to check on your direct deposit and find out it’s not there.
I've been living oout of the city on my days off and they can't dp shit about that. They can't tell you where your wife and kids can live either.
SCC - I've been following your blog for some time now. I agree with you that things are crappier than the media or the higher ups say. I agree that changes are needed here very badly. But I feel like anytime the mayoral candidate is mentioned, all the posts just focus on why each shouldn't be elected. Who does SCC actually support?
Quit yammering about the residency. All of us are doomed if they lift the residency requirement because than every other city worker would want it.
Now if that happens, imagine trying to sell your house in this piss poor market. Who is going to buy your house? Do you really want to take a $150k hit to live further away from work as gas prices rise?
So say you're a total numbskull and you bought your house for $250k and sell it for $180k or less.
All of you that are all for the residency would sell your house for less, and then start all over on a new mortgage in the suburbs?
Why? I mean that just baffles my mind. Wait for retirement, move out of the state like normal people. Get a nice house where money actually still means something.
Don't any of you watch House Hunters or Property Virgins? You can practically buy a mansion in bumfuck Alabama for $250,000 compared to your shit 1950s brick bungalow in Edison Park!
Anonymous Anonymous said...
O.K. let's say the new mayor does in fact promote 'from within.'
WHO would be a good choice?
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Seiser, of course. That way he could officially run it....
1/07/2011 03:09:00 PM
Commander Kuptcheck 008 Distrct (I know I got the spelling wrong). Very fair guy, We loved him in 011 when he was our W/C on midnights a few years back
1/07/2011 08:36:00 PM
Commander: John J. Kupczyk, 008 District. A leader, morale builder, honest, fair, a BOSS you can respect.
I hope when Rahm Emanuel is elected our mayor, that Commander Kupczyk is considered for superintendent. The rank and file would not be disappointed. I believe community leaders would be satisfied as well.
If scc supports lifting residency he/they/her should start it up. Scc is the biggest free speech platform for city workers anywhere.
Anonymous said...
Vote for Chico.
Bring back Dan Dugan as a Civilian Supt. of CPD.
Don't lift residency. That will be the demise of our future salaries (increases and Steps). We are our own tax base.
The city has to stop giving away freebies to the "free loaders". IE. Free heat, electric and housing. F*** em if "they" can't pay, "they" can move to another city where "they" can be a drain on life and that city's budget.
1/07/2011 05:25:00 PM
sounds like i plan
i'm moving
1/07/2011 09:20:00 AM
You better be one of the first 5 people to sell your house!
With the way the market is now, if you are luckey enought to sell, and make a proffit, god for you. After about the 6th person to sell and leave this city, the market here will take a dive and that 6th house wont be worth SHIT!
Good luck.
Pippen to Rodman to Jordan. Daley to Obama to Rahm.YA GET IT NOW. Its all BS.Its been in the weeds for a while . Its out now. B. Dailey now comes in as the new coach.Were fucked as we always have been.Again they think that were all stupid and they will all blow one by us as they usually do.Again we are eating the shit and the toilet paper that they shove at us. Get these mother fuckers out of here.
Someone said Mt. Greenwood is a dump ? Prices for 2 bedroom homes start at 300K. I seen a 4 bedroom there listed for 1.6 mil.
Bring back Dan Dugan as a Civilian Supt. of CPD.
Screw him!
He sold his soul to j-fraud, now he got launched because he was an "obstructionist".
Pick from someone who's NOT a sell-out.
I guess nobody read the John Hu response.
Although a bit childish and naive in spots, he obviously spent some time trying to figure out exactly what to say to appear as tho he's on our side.
1/07/2011 03:34:00 PM
I appreciate you saying what I said appears as tho I'm on your side!
Actually, I wanted to know the 'real' problems you face and what I could do to help CPD after getting into office. So I sat down with different groups of officers over coffee and we talked about everything from the residency issue, to the pension problem, to the Exempts...
I left no stone unturned. After getting the opinions and ideas from the P.O.'s, I sat down and tried to come up with the best solutions that would be fair to all and something achievable.
You and I know, the Mayor has an incredible amount of power in the City of Chicago. In the past, this power has only been used to enrich certain individuals and promote the well-connected.
I want to change the core of how Chicago is run. I hate politicians stealing our money and making promises they never intend to keep.
Citizen Mayor John Hu
Anonymous said...
I like chico
1/07/2011 01:01:00 PM
I always thought groucho was cool
1/07/2011 07:30:00 PM
I was always partial to "the Man".
I always thought groucho was cool
1/07/2011 07:30:00 PM
why, because he had a generous french tickler under his nose?
if i hear on more fop rep or potential rep saying how great it is they fought for us to be able to carry a gun off duty when im 80 in alabama, i will shoot him or her with that same gun.
1/07/2011 07:04:00 PM
thank you for your support.
Blame the victim. It's really the way to go these days...
1/07/2011 06:21:00 PM
Charles Darwin would agree.
members, DO NOT VOTE FOR EMANUEL HE IS BAD NEWS HE A DALEY ASS KISSER
nothing will change,it's all bullshit to get our votes.
" Emanuel’s six-point plan includes restructured benefits and shared sacrifice between taxpayers and city employees".
VOTE CAROL NOW THERE'S A CHOICE HA
The only isssue that matters is the pension.
Residency is mentioned to distract you.
The burbs aren't the paradise they once were. Most are filling up quickly with undesirables and the schools are not places you should be sending your kids.
The taxes are terrible in any decent north/northwest suburb. Property taxes only go up, tutions end after your kids are grown.
I know many people who moved back to the city after their kids finished school on the north shore. They couldn't hack the taxes anymore.
Don't go for the false choice to be offered.
Quit yammering about the residency. All of us are doomed if they lift the residency requirement because than every other city worker would want it.
Now if that happens, imagine trying to sell your house in this piss poor market. Who is going to buy your house? Do you really want to take a $150k hit to live further away from work as gas prices rise?
So say you're a total numbskull and you bought your house for $250k and sell it for $180k or less.
All of you that are all for the residency would sell your house for less, and then start all over on a new mortgage in the suburbs?
Why? I mean that just baffles my mind. Wait for retirement, move out of the state like normal people. Get a nice house where money actually still means something.
Don't any of you watch House Hunters or Property Virgins? You can practically buy a mansion in bumfuck Alabama for $250,000 compared to your shit 1950s brick bungalow in Edison Park!
1/07/2011 11:05:00 PM
You ever watch "Cop Land" with Sylvester Stalone? Now all we need is a dim witted, half deaf Sheriff...Oh yea Tom Dart!
WRONG!!!!! If I don't vote, because I don't believe a word these assholes are saying, and you did vote................... when this whole thing turns out to be lie after lie and WE get screwed AGAIN- I can complain all I want. You see, SCC, since I did not vote for ANY of these pieces of shit and voters did- it's the votes fault for creating this mess- NOT MINE. I was smart enough not to be happy with picking the smallest piece of shit out there based on some lies to get my vote. I can complain all I want. Put someone out there worth voting for and not this pick the dog with the least flees bullshit- then and only then, will I vote.
Until then- shame on you for voting- haven't you learned your lessons by now?!?!?!?!?!?
Rahm Emanuel and Chico are open to letting police officers live outside the city,
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that's all I need to know about these clowns
If Rahm is elected mayor...the FOP needs to start a class action lawsuit against the city regarding the residency issue for it's employee's. If Rahm can go to Washington, and rent out his place here in Chicago, with "every intention of coming back" then every single city employee should be afforded the same opportunity...
1/07/2011 09:12:00 AM
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absolutley spot-on
what Rahm is arguing is DOMICILE, which takes into account your intent to come back home
RESIDENCY is where you hang your hat.
RESIDENCY is the term used in the statute.
I see it as a no-brainer, UNLESS there exists an aception for serving the president, which, with all the sharpie types in the media, still has ot been laid out to my satisfaction.
Why has not the media done at least ONE good article laying out the entire argument. I suspect there is no good argument, that's why.
ANd why did the circuit court put the burden on those against Rahm? SHould it not be Rahm's burden to prove he is a resident? Why did the judge say it was the other side's burden to prove non-residency?
This all stinks - badly.
I retired from the job and moved to the burbs eight years ago. For those of you who think they are filled with ghetto rats, the schools are bad and things in the burbs are worse then the city, you are sorely wrong. Every city in America has ended residency for employees with the exception of Chicago and Milwaukee . None of the cities that did so have experienced any of the negative consequences as predicted by commentators. Yes, home prices will drop a bit in communities like Mt. Greenwood ( the last decent area to live on the southside), but drastic home price reductions were not experienced in other cities. Residency is about control, not tax base. The worst school in the burbs is better then most of the schools in the city, unless you are talking about Harvey or Oak lawn or Evergreen park. We have some crime out here, but just about everyone the police catch committing a crime resides in Chicago. Kids are not assaulted walking home from school. Don't fall to the scare tactics and comments. Look into it yourself. The area around Midway airport is now considered a depressed area and the home prices are in the toilet. Your family and you deserve a better quality of life, one that you are earning each day you roll out of the station lot in that blue and white.
So, Rahm plans to give CPD the freedom to live wherever we want to, but he plans to ALTER EXISTING PENSION PAYOUTS?
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this should be the topic for every post on this blog until the election is over - nothing is more important
Remember what that snake-in-the-grass Israeli citizen has said ---"never let a good crisis go to waste"
hurray for the foreigner
So when does he sneek all the last minute merit sgt's and Lt's in.............? Any bets?
How COULD Emanuel enforce residency at this point?
Someone said Mt. Greenwood is a dump ? Prices for 2 bedroom homes start at 300K. I seen a 4 bedroom there listed for 1.6 mil.
1/08/2011 01:14:00 AM
Not if they lift the residency rule. It's not a dump now but it would be one shortly thereafter. Prices for a 2 bedroom home would probably drop to about 100k and the dude with the 1.6 million dollar home could go up to the skydeck of Sears Tower... I mean Willis Tower... and jump off.
Residency is the last thing which binds us all together.
Like it or not, everyone here knew the requirement before signing their name, I know I know its the old argument...but seriously do you think they would just drop it and ask for NOTHING in return??
All you young coppers better start to wake up, without benefits and a good retirement plan you are stuck here, working, until social security kicks in.
Forget about the residency bone the politicians hold in front of your nose
Good pay, health benefits and pension security are what is important...as well as safe equipment(vehicles)...and of course manpower.
PRIORTIZE
Residency is keeping our property values stable. If that goes, we'll all lose. Residency was enacted to give preference to city residents over suburbanites to be hired. Do we really want to lose that? The suburbs aren't that much better than our good neighborhoods in Chicago. Plus, the suburbs are laying off police and fire. What's so great about that? Do you want to pay even higher taxes for less services?
"(I'm GONE. The very second they lift residency I'm section 8ing out my house and getting the hell out of detroit. err...chicago)"
--1/07/2011 03:16:00 PM
016 District Section 8 said...
"I see how even the "promised land" in 016 is falling fast and is getting worse...If you say I knew I had to live here when I signed up you get a big FUCK YOU."
1/07/2011 05:06:00 PM
In between the constant complaints here about --
A. "Parasites sucking off government programs"
B. The police "homelands" getting worse to live in because of Section 8 tenants coming in
we find constant complaints about -- and admissions, reports, and threats from -- policemen and firemen who are Section 8 landlords, some of them very bad ones.
It would seem to me that, overall, the taxpayers provide their public servants with a pretty good life here, better than many working people have, and that this attitude constitutes "biting the hand that feeds you."
It would seem that policemen and firemen are now neighbors to be avoided, since so many of them publicly announce their intention to ruin the block for a fast buck at the first possible opportunity.
There is no worse "parasite" than someone who will sell his neighbors out like this for a guaranteed government rent check and guaranteed repairs, paid for by the taxpayers, for any damage the animals do (or supposedly do) to the place.
If you're telling me "FUCK YOU" in capital letters -- well, that's what I'm hearing.
Sounds like I should mind my own business. I'll just figure that anyone tearing down your copper downspouts and hauling them away in a 1962 pickup with one headlight must be a contractor you hired...
Commander: John J. Kupczyk, 008 District. A leader, morale builder, honest, fair, a BOSS you can respect.
I hope when Rahm Emanuel is elected our mayor, that Commander Kupczyk is considered for superintendent. The rank and file would not be disappointed. I believe community leaders would be satisfied as well.
Sounds good.
Chico has my vote.
To the poster referencing Michelle Malkin's piece, "Chicago on the Potomac", thanks for the post.
Great article. The article links embedded in her article shows that woman really does her home work.
She's one woman that's got more balls then 90% of the so called writers in the media.
Once saw her on TV interviewing the leftist Malik Shabazz. He called her a whore in the interview and she proceded to stuff his balls in his mouth with her retort.
'Quite a woman.
Buck Naked
(Not a cop)
nothing wrong with westmont, downers grove, lisle. western burbs is where its at.
Kup from 8 will never satify the race factor and please the reverends. Besides he's old and ne'ring retirement. I think he has 25+. Why don't you bring back Franklin, he stuck up for the troops? Washington from 011? Probably will be Ernie Brown, maybe Lucy Moy or another black or hispanic, B. Cuello, if you want insideres? The dept does not want "well-liked" bosses!
Rahm'a residency issue and ours are apples and oranges. As I recall I was required to prove Residency the Day I entered the Academy and not the year required for mayor.. Different animal. Had Rahm had our residecy requirement...It wouldn't be an issue.
Shared sacrifice? Wasn't living in Chicago all these years enough? Wasn't working shift hours while clouted mopes got the day shift and cushy assignments sacrifice enough? Wasn't picking up the slack for the connected who hid and slept in the backroom enough sacrifice? How about having to work FOR the connected mutts after they got promoted for "outstanding public service?"
Rahm just sacrificed my vote for Gery Chico.
The suburbs I would like to move to are too expensive or 60 miles away. Every other suburb has high taxes that are going to get higher for more police, schools etc because the Section 8 folks beat us there with larger families, baby daddies. Grass always looks greener
Dugan the Warrior for Supt? LOL.
"Well, it's just about unanimous - and now residency is in play?"
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Election year promises. How often are they broken? Don't bet on any of those promises being kept.
Sure residency is in play. Until after the election.
Anonymous said...
Commander: John J. Kupczyk, 008 District. A leader, morale builder, honest, fair, a BOSS you can respect.
I hope when Rahm Emanuel is elected our mayor, that Commander Kupczyk is considered for superintendent. The rank and file would not be disappointed. I believe community leaders would be satisfied as well.
Sounds good.
1/08/2011 11:27:00 AM
If this man indeed is a leader, morale builder, honest and fair he won't have a snowball's chance in hell of becoming police superintendent.
Someone said Mt. Greenwood is a dump ? Prices for 2 bedroom homes start at 300K. I seen a 4 bedroom there listed for 1.6 mil.
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In your dreams, 2 bedrooms are selling for what they did 10 years ag0, 125K to 200k tops.
I have a 3000 sq foot house that is 9 years old that is worth 300k now(175k less than two years ago).
I've lived here for 15 years and have only seen one house for near 1 million in all the years here and that was in the height of the market. Are you getting MG confused with Beverly?
I like MG, but seriously all of us city workers know that when selling, we are selling to other city workers. If the residency is lifted, who's going to buy your house? One of the 100 new coppers in the next 5 years? no, since they won't have to live here either.
You couldn't sell and when the area around you went to shit, you will then be forced to walk away. Talk about foreclosures now, there will be an abundance then. I am negative in my equity, if my area went to shit, I would be forced to walk away before I put my family's safety at risk.
Besides,you may pay for private tuition now, but that is short term, you move to the suburbs, you will be paying higher taxes forever. plus, add another $50 a month for garbage pickup.
Chico has my vote.
Thanks 11th Ward Guy
So if residency goes through what happens to my house? Nobody is buying in the city. Yes, maybe in the loop but are we shooting ourselves in the foot here . I just cant see this being a good thing.
i'm moving
-You must rent
Forget about the residency bone the politicians hold in front of your nose
Good pay, health benefits and pension security are what is important...as well as safe equipment(vehicles)...and of course manpower.
PRIORTIZE
1/08/2011 09:53:00 AM
Well thought out post. Although for those of us on the south and east side....Indiana looks like a good option.
nothing wrong with westmont, downers grove, lisle. western burbs is where its at.
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i went to a walgreens in Romeoville and I felt like i was in 015 ... no place is safe .... maybe Wyoming .. or the public libray
....promoting a superintendint from within....
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but we need a Superintendent from outside because we are so corrupt right? SOS scandal pretty much amounted to nothing .... and Abate beat up a bartender who suffered no injury .... what else was all the hoop-lah ? I can't even remember.
What tax base retards! The city has privatized numerous jobs and will continue. I thought being a U.S. citizen gave us freedom of choice!!!! My Treasure may be your Trash. Lift the Fu#@ing Residency!! Give me a break Mt.Greenwood,Beverly and Garfield Ridge will still keep it's base of people who choose to reside there!
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