Quinn Delays Decision
- State Sen. Kwame Raoul is stopping short of saying that President Obama tipped his hand, or lobbied Gov. Pat Quinn, on Illinois’ bill that would abolish the death penalty.
Quinn has until March 18 decide whether to sign the bill. Without his signature, it automatically becomes law.
Quinn met Friday with Raoul and State Rep. Karen Yarbrough (D-Maywood), two of the chief legislative sponsors of the abolition bill. He had widely been expected to act on the bill Friday, but abruptly put off a decision until sometime next week.
Raoul indicated that Quinn remains extremely sensitive about the bill and the passionate advocates on both sides of the issue.
“The governor said he’s going to make a careful, thoughtful decision and he doesn’t want to make one that would seem offensive to anyone on either side of the debate,” he said.
We're betting the veto pen is put away in this case. Either Quinn signs it claiming some moral high ground or lets it become law without his signature in an effort to appear like he isn't soft on crime (which he actually is).
Labels: state politics
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
48 Comments:
Looking to buy another duty weapon shortly from a dealer in another state. Anyone know anybody (preferably a copper) with an FFL?
If Obama and Quinn are so intent on abolishing the death penalty on "moral grounds" why dont they put the same effort into ending abortion? Oh yeah, because killing an unborn child who never comitted a crime is politically correct and morally acceptable.
On a related note Gov Chris Christey of N.J. stated that as long Pat Quinn is Gov of Illinois, N.J. wont have to worry about losing jobs to Illinois. Face it folks we are the laughing stock of the nation in all areas of government. County President files for unemployment, Cities failed Olympic bid, and State that gives criminals more rights than law abiding citizens. The only peolple that want to come Illinois are Democrat politicians fleeing from other states so they dont have to face their constituents.
We are now a santuary state for the Democrat Party politicians
Read some where that the death venality will still apply for a few reasons, one being LE. Don't know if that means they want to still kill us or....
Fuck governor quinn!
The Guv.'s Action's(or NON-ACTION) Make Me Sick To My Stomach, AND A HEARTY THANKYOU To All The Guys And Gals On The Job Who VOTED For This IDIOT.
Anonymous said...
Looking to buy another duty weapon shortly from a dealer in another state. Anyone know anybody (preferably a copper) with an FFL?
3/06/2011 12:57:00 AM
You could try Illinois Gunworks in Elmwood Park, they can do it for you. There aren't many cops, if any, in Chicago, that have an FFL. John Krupa of Spartan Tactical also has an FFL and he's still a cop.
I am very disappointed with Quinn. I voted for Brady but thought that if Quinn won, he wouldn't be THAT BAD even though he's a democrat. He always seemed to be above-board and approachable, not to mention possibly honest, that's a rare trait in this cess-pool called Illinois.
This guy is really a putz. He can't make a decision and when he does, it's the wrong one. He's raised our taxes much higher than he said he would and the damn coward is afraid to make a decision. He's just like Obama, won't make a decision and when he finally does, it's a fuckin' disaster for the us. Hey, Barry and Pat, wake the hell up. You can't vote present as the Executive Officer of the government. Your constant vacillating shows an inherent weakness in your character, not to mention everyone that counts knows you are spineless. A pair of nit-wits from Illinois.
OFF TOPIC HEADLINE
"1 dead, 3 wounded in shooting at West Side party"
Aint no party like a westside party
While I have never been a huge death penalty supporter precisely because of the mistaken identity problem, abolition is a huge mistake.
If anything, the current age of DNA matching should make the application of the death penalty almost fool proof.
It is not a deterrant. The average inhabitant of a city like Chicago does not have the fear of consequences tommorow or the impulse control for that to work.
It is not for revenge.
The main reason for having a death penalty is to ensure that a murderous criminal doesn't kill again. That is a real concern because the same pols whop want to abolish death, will also release these monsters.
To the first poster. Where are you located? If south, I have used John Krupa, a former copper several times. Google Spartan Training.
Quinn makes Blago look like a stand up guy.
Some people are so evil unredemable that they must die. Hate to see them living many years on our dime while Their victims lie dead and their loves ones lives are changed forever.
Quinn doing what he does best...absolutely fuckin' NOTHING.
Quinn has no spine anyway
President Sotoero needs to stay out of the business of individual states and keep attempting to run the county--which he is failing dismally at.
We all know Quinn is spineless and will let the bill go into law unsigned. His core constituancy are liberal POS and those who don't pay taxes.
I'm still waiting for Quinn to cut LINK and Welfare 2% so everyone can share in the pain.
If he signs it, no camera's like the tax increase. He is a lowlife piece of trash, vote stealin', one term governor.
Totally disgusted....Tribune article regarding shooting of Roberry/dope dealer/killer Ibarra on front page describes Ibarra as being "Gunned down by Chicago Police"
Nice choice of words. Please find the time to voice your opinion to the Trib writers...in a professional way.
jgorner@tribune.com
jmeisner@tribune.com
Anonymous said...
If Obama and Quinn are so intent on abolishing the death penalty on "moral grounds" why dont they put the same effort into ending abortion? Oh yeah, because killing an unborn child who never comitted a crime is politically correct and morally acceptable.
3/06/2011 01:17:00 AM
THis is a non-issue. A woman has the right to choose. Abortion is a religious issue not a moral issue.
Caution: The Following Message May Be Deemed Too Sensitive To The Politically Naive,
Your Governor Decisions Are Made By The Speaker Of The House. His Decisions Are Based On What Is GOOD For The Speaker Of The House.
Your Mayor, Is Often Consulted, and Also Has Input, In The Decision Making Process.
PS: Have A Nice Day !
These Assholes. When another Gacy comes along then what???
Just like democrats. Kill innocent unborn babies let evil murderers live. Makes sense to me.
Not only is this guy soft on crime, he's soft in the head.
Whoever voted for this guy is soft too.
you fucks that voted for quinn and his asshole cronies deserve what you get
Wake up and think before you vote
Google, Illinois FFL dealers & you'll get info.
Still mandatory waiting periods, background check & ATF paperwork.
Off the course with this but Manhattan Illinois had it's Irish fest this weekend and guess what?? Miracles of miracles with thousands and I mean thousands of peoPle there including families. There wasn't one shooting, stabbing, robbery or rape. How could that be I wanna ask?? Maybe because civilizied, non predatory, non hats turned sideways thugs werent roaming around trolling for victims!! Way to go People. And yes there were people of color there having a good time. Could that of been because they weren't in fear of their lives?
You gotta love some people's fucking hypocrisy. A copper who lives four houses away from me is very passionately against illegal immigrants. But his own home needs updating and repair and guess what? Did he hire Americans? No. He went out and hired illegals to do the job. We want it both ways- we hate illegals but love low prices. In the end, it hurts our fellow countrymen. But who cares. It's the American way.
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Anonymous said...
Looking to buy another duty weapon shortly from a dealer in another state. Anyone know anybody (preferably a copper) with an FFL?
3/06/2011 12:57:00 AM
You could try Illinois Gunworks in Elmwood Park, they can do it for you. There aren't many cops, if any, in Chicago, that have an FFL. John Krupa of Spartan Tactical also has an FFL and he's still a cop.
3/06/2011 04:22:00 AM
Brother, if you are interested in buying a Glock, then visit their website and call their customer service and ask for the officer discount. You'll get a good gun for a very good price.
Illinois is DONE!!!! Illinois will never be a strong again after what the dem's have done to it over the many years. Too bad the downstaters allow chicago politicians to control the state. Quinn is a lier and a disaster.
Richard Daley said...
To the first poster. Where are you located? If south, I have used John Krupa, a former copper several times. Google Spartan Training.
3/06/2011 07:41:00 AM
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If I'm not mistaken, he is now a suburban police officer.
I hear he is having a party with Martin Sheen (anti death penalty zealot) after he signs this into law.
First poster here. Thanks for the info. I live in 022.
Looking to buy another duty weapon shortly from a dealer in another state. Anyone know anybody (preferably a copper) with an FFL?
3/06/2011 12:57:00 AM
Ask Lisa Madigan or anyone with a computer pretty soon.
I have been told by some one who was there that Quinn was brutal to victim family members during his meeting with them in Chicago while pretending to play 'devils advocate'.
Thanks to the 19,000 Cohen, Green and Libertarian voters who put him in.
.....Looking to buy another duty weapon shortly from a dealer in another state.....
Cabelas in Hammond, Indiana (US 41 & I80 - Indianapolis Blvd.)
They Always have deals on Smith, etc. (no city. county or illinois tax)
Anonymous said...
If Obama and Quinn are so intent on abolishing the death penalty on "moral grounds" why dont they put the same effort into ending abortion? Oh yeah, because killing an unborn child who never comitted a crime is politically correct and morally acceptable.
3/06/2011 01:17:00 AM
THis is a non-issue. A woman has the right to choose. Abortion is a religious issue not a moral issue.
3/06/2011 11:17:00 AM
How is abortion not a moral issue? If you are going to get rid of capital punishment then how can you allow abortion, even 3rd term abortion or abolishing parental notification of abortion in the case of minors? So capital punishment is murder but abortion isnt? Gimme a break. Ted Kennedy, Pat Quinn, same difference. Both liberal a-holes.
Thanks to the 19,000 Cohen, Green and Libertarian voters who put him in.
At least, "we" voted. :)
Why aren't you "scolding" the many 41st, 38th, 36th, 19th, 23rd, et. al. voters who stayed home and the many residents citywide who didn't bother with voter registration?
Dear Anonymous, 3/06/2011 06:48:00 AM,
Thank you, for your great post. :)
Ironically, Quinn, Raoul and Yarbrough failed to read or accept God's Death Penalty Sanction. :(
THis is a non-issue. A woman has the right to choose. Abortion is a religious issue not a moral issue.
3/06/2011 11:17:00 AM
there is one sure way not to need an abortion.
Quinn isnt going to sign.He is going to let the time period expire and it will become law.
The last couple of decades have had a whole series of people released from death row who did not belong there, or did not belong there for the crime(s) they were convicted of.
A fair percentage of those were wrongly convicted at least in part due to deliberate misconduct on the part of police and/or prosecuters who knew their case was weak (in a few cases nonexistent) but instead of just admitting that and letting it go, did some dubious things to get convictions.
I am not one bit surprised that the death penalty will be going away in Illinois. Very few people trust the safeguards that are supposedly in place anymore. Can't say I blame them much as the safeguards failed pretty miserably.
Quinn doesn't have the backbone to make a tough decision. He is a panty waist through and through. Perhaps he should also have a meeting with the families of victims instead of these two goofs.
Why aren't you "scolding" the many 41st, 38th, 36th, 19th, 23rd, et. al. voters who stayed home and the many residents citywide who didn't bother with voter registration?
3/07/2011 04:38:00 AM
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19th ward had 74% average turnout according to Board of Elections....Schaible just didnt get the votes...
Abortion is a religious issue not a moral issue.
3/06/2011 11:17:00 AM
The problem with with smug, closed minded leftists is in this moral superiority and belief their version of life is automatically correct, as evidenced above.
It's not a religious issue. I am not religious, I have not been in a church in years. I also find dismembering a helpless fetus that is a viable human life morally repugnant.
When I fished with my Dad he would say, "you catch it, you clean it". Maybe an applicable mindset in this issue?
If you want to have sex without precaution, you should have at least some thought about murdering the innocent life your actions began.
A woman's right to choose. No right for the human life inside the womb, trusting and believing in its mothers unconditional love?
19th ward had 74% average turnout according to Board of Elections....Schaible just didnt get the votes... 3/07/2011 05:13:00 PM
Thank you for correcting me. :)
THis is a non-issue. A woman has the right to choose. Abortion is a religious issue not a moral issue.
3/06/2011 11:17:00 AM
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Religious issue? I am troubled by abortion because I was once a dim-bulb democrat, much like yourself. But how in good conscience can you call murder a religious issue? The Supreme Court decided life begins in the 3rd trimester, I guess. But we still have abortions until the baby has almost arrived.
Why is it murder, to kill an unborn child if you're any one OTHER than the "fetuses" mother or a Dr.? Explain that to me, if you can. And please don't start with that, it's the womans body and she has a right to choose nonsense. That little "lump of tissue" is a human being in every sense of the word EXCEPT if a Dr. or the mother say it's not. It is illegal for a woman to be a prostitute, but, but, it's her body! It's illegal for a woman to use illegal narcotics, but, but, it's her body!
Do you broad-minded, open-minded, deep thinking liberals ever stop and research just who advocated abortion in the first place? These people were very interested in limiting the number of children that "undesirable" races had. That's right, they wanted Parakeetas mother to have an abortion because they were racists. You liberal, brain-dead fools supported Mao, Lenin and Stalin, just how many millions did they kill? Damn fools don't ever get a clue.
The last couple of decades have had a whole series of people released from death row who did not belong there, or did not belong there for the crime(s) they were convicted of.
A fair percentage of those were wrongly convicted at least in part due to deliberate misconduct on the part of police and/or prosecuters who knew their case was weak (in a few cases nonexistent) but instead of just admitting that and letting it go, did some dubious things to get convictions.
I am not one bit surprised that the death penalty will be going away in Illinois. Very few people trust the safeguards that are supposedly in place anymore. Can't say I blame them much as the safeguards failed pretty miserably.
3/07/2011 01:05:00 PM
There is a world of difference between "wrongfully convicted" and innocent. "Wrongfully convicted" is a euphemism for "missed a loophole". There is no record that anyone was released from death row because they were innocent.
Prosecutors misconduct? You believe a bunch of law enforcement officials that don't know each other got together to conspire to any number of felonies to jail an innocent man THEY don't know? You are a product of too much TV.
The standard for the ultimate penalty for the most heinous crime nowadays is BEYOND any doubt. The convicted should be executed in short order so that the DETERRENT effect is real.
Keep being a lamb, you know what happens to lambs.
Keep being a lamb, you know what happens to lambs.
3/08/2011 09:28:00 AM
why, yes, yes I do.
Chalkie
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