Hey Rahm?
Hire back full-duty officers to work in their districts on one of their days off at time-and-one-half.
They know the streets, they know the players, they're covered by all the rules, regulations, laws and ordinances.
You'll have hundreds of volunteers to rotate through on an endless basis. They'll volunteer in the shitty districts and if someone in a slower district wants an opportunity, they'll bid to the shithole districts like you want.
It's cheaper than running an academy class and you'll save on training.
They're already doing it for Tact Teams in 001 and/or 018 (we've heard both).
Or does the thought of an officer actually making money to get by in a shitty economy engineered by you make you that uncomfortable that you won't do it?
They know the streets, they know the players, they're covered by all the rules, regulations, laws and ordinances.
You'll have hundreds of volunteers to rotate through on an endless basis. They'll volunteer in the shitty districts and if someone in a slower district wants an opportunity, they'll bid to the shithole districts like you want.
It's cheaper than running an academy class and you'll save on training.
They're already doing it for Tact Teams in 001 and/or 018 (we've heard both).
Or does the thought of an officer actually making money to get by in a shitty economy engineered by you make you that uncomfortable that you won't do it?
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posted by SCC at 12:07 AM
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Too busy giving back tax revenue money to corporations that should be going into the underfunded pension plans or to so many other places of better use.
I saw a great movie called "The Pianist".
Simply put, one must never let power get to their head. The oppressed become the powerful and the powerful become the oppressed. Basically, everyone should do what is just no matter where they come from and whoever they encounter. No sense being number one when you forget where you came from and where you may end up going.
Mee-zon-sin and mobile out geniuses
If you mean only certain districts get to play for the extra cash, well that's bullshit. It better be a central pool based on seniority, where anyone can work it, or I'll be the firsts one in line to call bullshit on that one, were talking money here so F the BS. I, like many others already did a decade or more in the likes of shit districts, when men acted like men so spare the "Im the real police and your not" crap
Why would you hire back cops when you can pull cops out of thin air? 1000 cops are back on the street...from where they were on the street.
Only now instead of units being able to respond as teams that worked together, they can handle paper in ghetto districts where the revruns say they want them giving packs of thugs free reign to hunt innocent victims downtown.
Do you think the revruns want a less effective force? Hell yes, they do. They are in on the crime and get a cut.
How many revruns have criminal backgrounds? Oh, that's right. Don't talk about it. They found God in the form of tax free centers to pull their scams off. And now the new boss is throwing them basketballs and talking the talk of the duped and defeated.
good idea its called "hire back"
Why not just hire more officers?
How about hiring the over 200 people that want to return to CPD that personnel is sitting on. They are already certified and only need to be sent through as retreads. Some people wanted to try different pastures but found it really is greener on the CPD side.
Doing more with less, what a wonderful concept, and you don't have to hire anyone. Let's roll rahm, save the city now!
When is the morale boosting gonna start?
Sorry I would rather see more coppers hired? Why? common sense more to contribute to the pension fund, which helps us all! Plus more bodies on the street that help us in terms of safety,and more time due without rejection!
Wasn't there an article in the paper that had officers in a suburban department making quadruple their salary because they wouldn't hire? And wasn't everyone up in arms about how much they money they were making?
I'd work hire-back. One or two days per month would suit me just fine.
I've been retired for ten years so this won't effect me. But I say until they let the police act like the police, get the OPS or whatever it's called now off your backs, get the reverends from telling the police what to do, get the City to hire the officers that are needed, get some bosses who can actually pass the promotional test fuck the city. I always said if we could stop everybody from working special until they paid time and one half we would all be better off. I know there are some who really need the money but if they held out for a short time they would force the city into hiring and paying time and one half.
KMA leads the way PLEASE too many chest grabbers too We need young blood and peole that are fired up not somebody retired then brought back
Yes but don't forget boys and girls great concept but then again who will pay into the pension funds? Your as they say "putting the cart before the horse," as for the complainers and whiners about 001 getting overtime how about stop the jealousy? As far as the hair gels complaining about "The old timers get special but not me" STFU! Now with 28 years on and another year left I like others in the KMA club get all the special we want,but when we were youngsters on the job we worked the carnivals,stores,theaters to get extra you need to do the same and quit complaining. Had a young copper tell me "I went to college and deserve more," I laughed and told him "Son you obviously studied drinking and party philosophy that is why your here,and others have jobs weekends off,making real money and enjoying time with family while your here,yes a steady job but this is where you ended up!"
I'm in.
Some people wanted to try different pastures but found it really is greener on the CPD side.
6/14/2011 03:18:00 AM
Sorry you left the Police Department for the first pipe dream that came along. That only meant that you were not dedicated to this job, the men and women on it and the citizens of Chicago.
Why would we want you back? I'd rather see a new kid get a shot or some real copper get the overtime.
It should be citywide and by seniority. If you do it by the District, it will only allow the City to play around with it.
City, UIC cops search for home invader
Staff report
1:04 a.m. CDT, June 14, 2011
Chicago police are working with University of Illinois at Chicago police to catch a man who broke into a student's off-campus apartment over the weekend.
The male student wasn't injured during the home invasion which happened at about 4:45 a.m. Saturday in the 1100 block of West Taylor Street, according to an online university crime alert.
The student was awakened by the intruder, who shined a flashlight in his face, officials said. The intruder rifled through the student's pockets, taking an ATM card and identification, officials said.
The student complied with the intruder's order to turn over his PIN number, officials said. The intruder fled the apartment with a video game system.
The intruder is described as an African-American male, between 30 to 40 years old, about 5-foot-6 inches tall, weighing 150 pounds, with brown eyes and black hair. UIC officials didn't offer a description of the man's clothing.
Harrison Area detectives will conduct a follow-up investigation, aided by officers from a joint Chicago police/UIC police robbery task force, officials said.
The home invasion comes weeks after a female UIC student was assaulted while walking alone off campus about a mile from Saturday's home invasion.
Anyone with information is asked to call UIC Police at (312) 996-2830.
chicagobreaking@tribune.com
New Task Force? Reason why there are no Det promotions for years? Private police solution to manpower issue? No OT, No Court, No CR, No Settlement, No Pension.
Perfect idea, only problem is you get the crusty I'm to good and too old to doing anything on this job assholes that will take all the spots and leaving nothing for the guy with less then 20 years on...
Try getting special, special smack in the ass! Thanks for playing kid
The Most Cost Effective Plan, Is To Offer A Special Employment Program.
The Officer Works In Their District Of Assignment. Same Watch. They Would Have Regular Patrol Duties. These Would Include Foot and Bike Patrol, if They Apply. Tactical Units, must work in Patrol. If There is a Detail Out of District, they can be included in the bid process.
Most Important Wages Would Be Subject To Pension Payments. Wages Are Time And A Half. If This Was Sent Up On A Regular Basis, It Would Be Better Than A Part Time Job. It's A Win For The City And The Officers Who Wish To Participate.
Only now instead of units being able to respond as teams that worked together, they can handle paper in ghetto districts where the revruns say they want them giving packs of thugs free reign to hunt innocent victims downtown.
I already can see the difference it has made in my dist. All positive !!!!! Lots more manpower on third watch ! It's where you people belong. and you can mess with all the "packs of thugs " that you want!!!! Thanks for the help
This may be OT, but mentioning the issue about allowing day-off coppers to work is a good idea. It could and should be augmented by allowing retired coppers to work in slots that don't require the full use of police powers or involvement in situations that might require action, i.e., handling documentation, reports, mundane tasks such as inventories, manpower reports . . . all the stuff that housecats used to do at the District, Area or Headquarters level. (Case in point: staffing the Gun Registration Unit and computer-based, intelligence and personnel sensitive units with retired coppers would go a long way toward improving security of sensitive records that civilians now have access to). Since the Department is so hell-bent on putting sworn personnel back on the street and taking them out of the offices, this may be a solution. I am not trying to diminish the importance of a competent staff that is required to support the organization (and the Department does require individuals to maintain logistics for the entire organization). On the contrary, someone has to do it and coppers who know the job, have actually done the work, or are easily trained, if used, could suppliment the manpower requirements and free up others to go back to patrol or units that need that manpower - especially since it doesn't look like they are going to hire anyone for a while.
As far as compensation - it can be a reasonable amount without the burden of major medical or other potentially contentious issues. It sure would be great for the retired coppers who would rather work for our organization instead of being "door shakers" or some other demeaning job to supplement their pension.
Demand a "minimum manning clause" be implemented on a per District/per Watch basis in the next contract. If it appears their will be a "shortage", then "hire-back" based upon last re-hire, not seniority. This would more evenly distribute the overtime. Model it after the CFD overtime distribution clause in the contract.
When all is said and done we need fresh young blood. Cops with 5 yrs and under can't get enough of the circus. Pulling old coppers from all over isn't the answer. Say what you will, but throwing a person with 17 + yrs on into a shit hole isn't goin to be productive.
Rahm is a miracle worker in the finest Chicago/Daley Inc. tradition.
That soft and sweet bread he breaks and feeds his friends, contributors and people who can "do something" for him?
...Turns into utter and abject shit as he offers it to Policemen.
We're "out of control" when we look at this clown like he's lost his mind and tell him, "that's shit you're giving us!"
Rahm spins it and says, "we tried to reach out to the cops but they didn't want it" and the people jeer & throw things. "You greedy, ungrateful cops!"
That cool, luscious, deeply purple/indigo wine redolent of ethereal fragrances and flavors that 9.5, the alderfools & rev'runs, the reeking & leaking media whores and others get to quaff until they're giddy?
...Magically turns into hot fermented piss when they offer some to Policemen.
"Drink up, there's plenty for all" they say.
The Policeman looks and says, "ya know that's piss, right?"
The Rahmulans look down their noses and say "Ungrateful churls and rabble to the last man, all of you."
Perhaps their end game is that they really don't have one?
Actually, they're kind of stuck...
For the generation of bullshitery and massive under delivering of service to the tax payer due to being victims of the longest running saga of thievery any city has ever seen, to be addressed, the protected principals will have to be outed and their misdeeds enumerated in order for the course of correction to be set.
Theft: Over $300 - Long Term Municipal Financial Fuckery:
Estimated loss: $12 Billion to $15 Billion USC.
...Pity the copper dispatched to that call when it finally comes.
Off Topic....
W.T.F???
Supt. McCarthy You wrote a letter to CPD introducing yourself, and praising CPD for how they are doing with "such a manpower shortage" Then, yesterday on Roe Conn you state you wont hire any more police until you are convinced it's necessary. Sir we are at the Alamo waiting for the cavalry to come. Dare we repeat history? Is the cavalry not coming???
How about re-hiring William "Bill" COZZI after getting his sentence reduced? He was a working copper that wrote Gazillions of tickets and DUI's. He was in the top 10 in the State of Illinois every year. Please reverse this travesty of justice...And hire some more friggin police!!! How is this not being done as we are speaking???
F*** yeah! I'm all for it. I'd happily give up one day every once in a while for some extra scratch. Get this started!
He's a Fing waste of skin and eats his breakfast at Toast off Webster.
This lakefront stuff in 01/018 only being offered to select officers is bullshit. It needs to be an O.T. initiative . Otherwise it should be the subject of a grievance.
OT, sort of.
Why are a 1000, that is one-thousand, coppers being used for rican festival. The taxpayers in the rest of the city require service too.
If this festival is prone to civil disorder, criminal conduct, and or violence, then this festival needs to go the way of the south side St. Patrick's Day parade.
Lastly, all of these fests need to be self supporting, paying for all city services, with all city employees working them paid time and a half working their RDO's.
End the madness now.
This idea makes too much sense to happen.
Doing more with less, what a wonderful concept, and you don't have to hire anyone. Let's roll rahm, save the city now!
6/14/2011 04:10:00 AM
he can start by resigning.
Crusty?, Hell Yea I'm Crusty w/25yrs on and I want that time and a half. Stand in line junior and wait till you grow some whiskers!
If the officers want to really show they can stick together, and put a real scare into the city stop volunteering for all overtime initiatives for the summer. I would like to see what The reaction is by the mayor when there's not cops to work the airports, C.H.A. Subways etc. Stop all city overtime for the summer they would not know what to do. I know it would be hard financially for some, but the outcome the message sends would be priceless.
sorry but what do you think you are going to get out of a guy retired with 30-40 years on this job---- putting them in cars in a ghetto district, no fucking way--- busted up knees, bad back, 2 pack a day smokers, juicers, big fat bellies---- it would make more sense to put them inside maybe as turn keys or dispatchers, not out humping a beat car.....
Anonymous said:
Most Important Wages Would Be Subject To Pension Payments. Wages Are Time And A Half. If This Was Sent Up On A Regular Basis, It Would Be Better Than A Part Time Job. It's A Win For The City And The Officers Who Wish To Participate.
6/14/2011 09:02:00 AM
Dream on!!! What state are YOU living in? Like there is an unending supply of money.
Even at straight time - you are earning a good buck and benefits.
If the City decides to hire more police, say 250 next year, and implement a special employment within a district, (even though I only work the desk or review)....DOES THAT MEAN I'LL BE ABLE GET MY INSIDE C.A.P.S POSITION BACK ??? !!!!!
The City's only chance at gaining a foothold on this flashmob mess is to hire back off duty PO's. Retired officers wouldn't go near this mess, and I don't blame them at all.
'New Task Force? Reason why there are no Det promotions for years? Private police solution to manpower issue? No OT, No Court, No CR, No Settlement, No Pension.'
It's not a new task force, it's been in place for years, existing between the 012th Dist. and the UICPD.
It's always a good thing to have a cross section of
officers in both depts. who are familiar with how the
other Dept. works. Also, UICPD officers don't have
much, if any access to the clear system. It benefits both agencies. It ensures that all resources are being focused on apprehension and prosecution of offenders in those heater cases that occur involving students or occur on the UIC campus. Kudos to the UICPD Chief (Richardson) for putting it together.
This idea makes too much sense to happen. Right your a retired guy. So can you pass thepower test? Shoot? Run jump? PLEASE and a chest grabber in the making. Thank you for your service but we need younger PPOs to keep the pension going and to replenish the ranks.
This lakefront stuff in 01/018 only being offered to select officers is bullshit. It needs to be an O.T. initiative . Otherwise it should be the subject of a grievance.
So FILE it!!!
I've been retired for ten years so this won't effect me. But I say until they let the police act like the police, get the OPS or whatever it's called now off your backs, get the reverends from telling the police what to do, get the City to hire the officers that are needed, get some bosses who can actually pass the promotional test fuck the city. I always said if we could stop everybody from working special until they paid time and one half we would all be better off. I know there are some who really need the money but if they held out for a short time they would force the city into hiring and paying time and one half.
Thatw whqt my fto used to tell so ive never worked it
This lakefront stuff in 01/018 only being offered to select officers is bullshit. It needs to be an O.T. initiative . Otherwise it should be the subject of a grievance.
6/14/2011 02:05:00 PM
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So grieve it.
there was no cavalry back in 1830's(alamo) just fellow Texan's and Tennessean's let by Sam Houston :)
They can't hire new cops but they can build bike lanes? Something tells me that the city has its priorities all wrong. All available funds should go toward public safety until those positions are staffed at the minimal level.
I remember working public housing in the 80s for straight time. Worked everyday on a split furlough and saved enough throughout the years to buy another house ( first wife took the first one). About 3 months later some order was issued that each officer had to have one day off a week. Worked them all. It all worked out in the end. Retired over 4 years now
Anonymous said...
there was no cavalry back in 1830's(alamo) just fellow Texan's and Tennessean's let by Sam Houston :)
6/14/2011 10:13:00 PM
Don't let Mirabeau Lamar hear that.
UICPD officers don't have
much, if any access to the clear system. It benefits both agencies. It ensures that all resources are being focused on apprehension and prosecution of offenders in those heater cases that occur involving students or occur on the UIC campus. Kudos to the UICPD Chief (Richardson) for putting it together.
UICPD is online and had full access to ICLEAR and the AIRA Arrest Report System. Also, Richardson didn't start anything, the task frce was formed in the late 80's when 012 was out of control and the students were being robbed, raped etc like crazy.
Anonymous said...
This lakefront stuff in 01/018 only being offered to select officers is bullshit. It needs to be an O.T. initiative . Otherwise it should be the subject of a grievance.
So FILE it!!!
6/14/2011 09:24:00 PM
I think what the author means is that someone else should put pen to paper and write out the grievance and sign it and submit it. He used up all his guts and brainpower by pushing the enter button to send the blog post on it's electronic journey.
Michael said...
sorry but what do you think you are going to get out of a guy retired with 30-40 years on this job---- putting them in cars in a ghetto district, no fucking way--- busted up knees, bad back, 2 pack a day smokers, juicers, big fat bellies---- it would make more sense to put them inside maybe as turn keys or dispatchers, not out humping a beat car.....
6/14/2011 04:51:00 PM
...and no hair gel don't forget.
But you are right about one thing, no fucking way will I ever go back to a ghetto district.
Most Important Wages Would Be Subject To Pension Payments. Wages Are Time And A Half. If This Was Sent Up On A Regular Basis, It Would Be Better Than A Part Time Job. It's A Win For The City And The Officers Who Wish To Participate.
6/14/2011 09:02:00 AM
Really? overtime is subject to pension credit? Well, well, there is a benefit to having the FOP president take up a seat on the Pension Board. This is good news. Workers pensions are bigger than dogs? Hmmm, food for thought . . . Unless you don't know what you're talking about!
How about hiring the over 200 people that want to return to CPD that personnel is sitting on. They are already certified and only need to be sent through as retreads. Some people wanted to try different pastures but found it really is greener on the CPD side.
AGREED, I know a few trying to do this.
sorry but what do you think you are going to get out of a guy retired with 30-40 years on this job---- putting them in cars in a ghetto district, no fucking way--- busted up knees, bad back, 2 pack a day smokers, juicers, big fat bellies---- it would make more sense to put them inside maybe as turn keys or dispatchers, not out humping a beat car.....
6/14/2011 04:51:00 PM
Hmmm. I retired this year, never having smoked a cigarette in my life, have a drink when I go out to dinner and that's about it, wear one size larger than I did when I came out of the academy and I can run, lift and shoot as well as I ever did.
I am, however, smart enough not to volunteer to come back to wade into a wilding mob bent on committing random felonies.
And you, Michael, are an idiot.
Straight time for hire back would be reasonable. lets not get to greedy.
Straight time for hire back would be reasonable. lets not get to greedy.
6/15/2011 07:24:00 PM
pass that sentiment on to your politician buddies.
Not sure I like the idea. Time off is earned and should be used.
But I like creativity, something which law enforcement agencies typically lack, especially larger ones. And one size does not always fit all.
In the mix I would start with using recently retired officers who are still certified working part-time, maybe one day per week. Also these officers could be utilized for miscellaneous things such as traffic control to free up other officers.
The Royal Canadian Mounted Police has a staff shortage and is hiring back recently retired mounties for part-time work.
Next, a buddy in Florida says they have a deal there where an officer can "retire" but continue to work for up to five years. In other words, the officer retires and collects a pension but can stay on the job but will not get any additional pension contributions.
Some variation of the idea is worth pursuing.
Third, the guys in the burbs have no problem calling on each other for help. Why not in the city? Understandably there can be some limitations but a great occasional show of force would be to pull together suburban, state, county and even federal officers (as is sometimes done in the burbs) and converge on a problem area.
Back in March I was at the funeral in Kenosha for a young Fond du Lac, Wis., officer who was ambushed. The entire department made the 100 mile trip down to Kenosha for the funeral and deputies, state troopers and officers from neighboring cities and counties patrolled the city. Yeah, it's a much smaller city but it shows that it is possible to think outside the box.
BTW...I know it's off topic but it was awesome and humbling to be there. Thousands of people lined the route from the church to the cemetary even though it wasn't a Kenosha officer (I think his mom is a dispatcher there) the city and the PD treated it like one of their own. The Fond du Lac chief was crying at the mass (imagine that here) and wheeled the wheelchair for the other officer who was shot but survived. Incredibly classy...and not just for a couple of days. I was up at the outlet mall last weekend and saw a couple of new squad cars with door decals in honor of the slain officer which Fond du Lac PD made available to other cities. Sorry to ramble but it was pure class.
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