VERY Interesting Rumor
Popping up in more than a few places:
- Anybody hear the rumor that Tiny Dancer 9.5 is going to use a parliamentary maneuver to circumvent the contracts and put the CPD back on 6 and 2s and 56 day rotating watches due to manpower and equipment shortages. This is taking on a life of its own.
Interesting news from the Command staff meeting. They are not happy with the 4 & 2. Thousands of man hours wasted every day with the shift change and not enough cars/Beat Tags. J-Fled is being blamed for trying to curry favor with the rank and file(didn't work).
New schedule is being worked out and this will include rotating for the guys with less time on. They feel it is a better Officer that works all three shifts. Rotation to be more than the old 28 days.
That which is old is new again. Should be an interesting contract negotiation time.
- The 4 and 2 is a great schedule (in our opinion). The FOP should fight tooth-and-nail to keep it.
- Our readers pointed out that the overlap and equipment situation would be the major stumbling block of this schedule. It doesn't function well at all. The City said time and time again that the total number of hours worked in a year wasn't a stumbling block to a new work schedule, but then came up with this inane 9 hour day that results in literally thousands of hours wasted every month. What was the matter with 8-hour days if hours weren't the issue?
- Rotation - good things and bad things associated with rotating. Last time we rotated, we went the wrong direction which screwed up everything. We also rotated every 28 days which was too short a recovery period.
Labels: department issues, rumors
posted by SCC at 12:03 AM
141 Comments:
Wait, we'd be working the 6 + 2 and rotating?
No way, Jose!
Shit, I guess I'm going to finally get my chance to leave Chicago!
Take this job & shove it!
rotating would blow
screws things up for side jobs, taking college classes, childcare, etc
no thanks
Shift work has serious health implications that manifest themselves with obesity, diabetes, depression and...need I go on? Anyone in any job who doesn't work a regular (nine to five) job is at serious risk for these issues, and more. Add rotating schedules into the mix and you are going to be looking at a seriously unhealthy work force. Yeah, yeah, the old timers will tell us what a blast they had, but they were one unhealthy-looking group! The human body thrives on routine and when the novelty of the new hours wears off folks are going to be miserable...although a 56-day rotation wouldn't be as bad as a 28-day rotation, it still isn't good for the human body--or psyche.
Ill gladly concede the 4&2 schedule for the right to live outside of the city.
Rotate my schedule, put me back on the 6&2 whatever. It`s a 40 hour work week however it`s drawn up. Just as long as I live in a suburb of my choosing.
I came on the job during those 'rotation' days. I was a young man then, and I enjoyed rotating, it gave me an opportunity to observe crime conditions on my beat 24/7. BUT, they weren't for everyone. Lots of coppers actually showed ill effects from the rotation schedule, and a large number of them even used to burn off one extra RDO by way of compensatory time, they would feel so lagged. So while I enjoyed rotating, I don't think it's a good idea for most people in the Dept. I think you'll see more accidents, injuries, and yes, more medical time off. My vote, as a retiree? Don't do it, and make sure your union fights any return to it tooth and nail.
I love the 4 and 2 but would definitely entertain the idea of rotating shifts.
so here's my question...what's wrong with a simple 8 hour day..7.5 with a paid half hour lunch? When I take my un-paid lunch, can I refuse citizens service? You know when I'm eating at ricobene's and some women runs in and say's "I just got robbed," can i tell her her i'm on lunch and to call 911?
no pension no work...let it crumble to the ground!!!!
I would prefer not to rotate watches but I could handle it. On the other hand I am not so sure I could go back to working the 6 and 2. That would be a nightmare.
i rotate 'cause of gang / tact stuff for years and i dont mind. BUT it sucks for a normal life and shortens ones life due to health reasons, (which is probably what the city wants) also f's up people with kids. im single so i dont care...
they'll wanna trade medical or something to keep 4-2's . grandstanding..
Team Shields don't fail us now!
Alex - you left us two years ago today. We miss you brother. Watch over us all.
Never done the rotating (aside from the cycles), but my gut feeling is that it would totally suck ass. I hope it doesn't happen. I could deal with going back to the 6 and 2 (though that would suck balls too), but the rotating schedule would only push me further into the KMA club. I think Rahm is picking the wrong group to fuck with, especially in light of what's been happening in the City recently.
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J Occup Med. 1994
Dec;36(12):1295-300.
Sleep and alertness in a 12-hour rotating shift work environment.
Budnick LD, Lerman SE, Baker TL, Jones H, Czeisler CA.
Source
Exxon Biomedical Sciences, Inc, East Millstone, New Jersey.
Abstract
Industrial workers on rotating shifts were evaluated for the effects of rotating shift work. Twenty-five (86%) of 29 workers in the study area who work 12-hour shifts in a scheduled 16-day rotation participated. The mean number of hours of sleep at home after working day shifts (5.6 hours) was less than after the first three night shifts (6.0, 6.4, and 6.6 hours, respectively). At work, the mean number of hours at reported peak alertness was greater during the night shift (6.1 hours) than the day shift (4.9 hours), but the perceived alertness levels were relatively lower on the night shift. Increased perceived difficulty working and decreased perceived productivity and safety were reported on the first night of the night shift. We demonstrate that workers on rotating shift work exhibit low alertness-related outcomes on both shifts. These workers have early shift work starting times that appear to disrupt sleep patterns on both day and night shifts. At this work site, a number of interventions to lessen the effects of rotating shift work are being evaluated.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7884570
A 6 and 2 schedule would paralyze the city as far as activity goes. They go back to that they won't even get a CTA check from me. The only reason they get anything now is because of the 4 and 2 schedule.
There is nothing wrong with the 4-2 except the 9 hour day. They should have kept it 8 and there would be no problems. The city actually increased manpower by eliminating a DOG and mixing them in with the remaining 6.
I'm sure rotating around the clock as well as working the 6/2 is great for our collective health.
Shift work is right up there next to smoking and fatty foods as the best things in life.
I'm sure we'll be around for quite sometime after we retire enjoying our families & pensions...
We said this four years ago. We old-timers 'knew' it would never happen, because it's so expensive. Overtime. Vehicles. Court time. The cost of covering rdo's, furlos and medical...etc., etc.
Shocked when it actually happened. There was a very serious study in Los Angeles, reporting how high the costs were for them. Didn't anybody read it? Or didn't anybody care?
Or maybe we were on an economic high at the time and now the times they are a'changin'?
Love 10 hour days. Tolerate 4/2 and forget 6/3 or 6/2 don't ever want to work 6 days ever! The command staff has no clue what's going on they don't want rank and file to have it better than them. Fop better start earning their money and fight for working police and not crying police! Lapd officers work 10 or 12 hour shifts. The manpower shouldn't be an issue if LA does it. We should handle 4/2 with no problem. Any way it goes we still work 5 days a week. Wasted hours are hours that everyone fights over an suv and don't want a crown vic! All the sudden officers want more legroom.... Suck it up!
I will take time out of my day and give 9.5 a hand or finger..
We all remember when we were the police. Then the shift into where we were the ones looked down upon in court, charged criminally for treating savages as such, etc. Now they all wonder what can be done to salvage whats left of this city. Well here is a few ideas.
1. Get rid of our current states attorney who seems to be looking for a reason to charge the police with "being the police" i.e. sgt in 006
2. Remove the "sanctuary city" status and allow officers to enforce ALL laws
3. Since the city is crying poor, institute hire backs, thereby putting more police on the street at the district level with out the expense and time of recruit training.
4. The new sup needs to remember that he is not re inventing the wheel. All that bull about communities and building partnerships does not work. Never has and never will. Let CAPS finally die.
5. Remember that we the police are human beings, however a very rare breed of human beings. We go to danger not away, we are that thin blue line however we are smart, we will do whatever we have to to preserve our lives, our careers and our mental health. If we perceive that society and the politicians dont want us to deal with the criminal element in the way that is required...then we pull back and watch and wait and now tell you " we told you so"
6. So admit your mistakes, try to understand the sacrifices that are made by us for you on a daily basis, dont threaten our pension, our livelihood, compensate us fairly...and perhaps we will come back to the days when the police owned the night.
just my 2 cents
NYPD is 5-2, 5-3 work schedule.....thats right.......you work 5 on then 2 off, 5 on 3 off...what the F--- could be better? That is 24 more days off per year but who's counting and I heard it was an issue not to bring anything less than 2080 hrs per year to the city......FOP never brought it up because NYPD was paid less per year......Thats not really the case now is it? This is the schedule of a department larger then ours....why not us?........you can love 4-2 but I think this blows it out of the water.......9 hours in a 24 hour day makes no sense at all.
An NYPD copper called that 3rd day a scooter day....ask them they will tell you.....I loved 10 hours but 5-2, 5-3 sounds really good compared to 4-2 @ 9 hrs plus CU
Can they actually switch back to 6 and 2? What about 10 HR days instead?
Keep the 4 and 2. Why change something that is not broken
" . . that Tiny Dancer 9.5 is going to use a parliamentary maneuver to circumvent the contracts . . "
..............
NOT a smart move.
It would cost the city millions in legal fees and the city would lose.
I know I and MANY others would probably be "injured" on duty and spend alot of time off.
GO AHEAD.
You try it tiny dancer.
That's it!
Go back to rotating and make guys die 18 months after they retire?!?
THEN perhaps the city can raid the pension fund as it tried in the past.
THESE FUCKS!
Rotating watches are crazy. Midnites are bad enough and I have been on them for seven years now. Only a mad man would advocate for rotating watches or am I answering my own question here.
Many of us talk about " Man can you believe we used to work 6 and 2?" All happy with the 4 and 2 schedule...better atmosphere...
WHY NOT OFFER US STRUGGLING OFFICERS TO FIND SIDE GIGS AN OPPURTUNITY TO WORK OUR DAYS OFF AT REGULAR PAY SO WE CAN MAKE SOME EXTRA MONEY AND BUY CITY STICKERS AND STATE PLATE STICKERS AND UNIFORMS AND OTHER SHIT WE CAN NOT AFFORD IN THIS ECONOMIC CRISIS!!!!
I have never been so de-stressed (except at home)...but I could use more opportunities from this job as I dont have quite the seniority to get "special employment" like most others or enough to pay my bills.
What about the 10 hour days or something?
Anything has to be better than 6 and 2.....that was the worst and watch the CR.'s skyrocket again and medical usage!!
I 'll rotate whatever but 6 and 2 is FUCKED!
Somebody please think of our HEALTH and SANITY and WELL BEING as we all are supposed to think of that of the Citizens of Chicago we serve..
I never realized how burned out I was until we went to 4 and 2.
There has to be a better solution!!
3 bars
Rotate watches? hey, rotate on this. Fuck Rahm and McCarthy. We have had straight shifts for almost 20 years. No way will I rotate. Let them negotiate. FOP will never cave on steady watches and 4&2.
Contract expires June 30, 2012. Try it then, sit down at the bargaining table Rahm. And then go pound salt up your ass.
I never minded rotating when we did it. However the last time we did was about 19 years ago. I've become a creature of habit.
The post mentions rotating for officers with less time on.
How does that work? One would think it's an all or none thing.
I am in the twilight of my career and would not look forward to some fucked up experiment the last few years.
Does anyone know whether the 4&2 schedule is part of the contract or if it's just a pilot type work schedule?
If it's part of the contract then the city would have to negotiate with the FOP about this.
I do believe the straight watches are part of the contract and the FOP would have to demand something very substantial from the city to even consider this.
We thought tyrant Daley was bad wait til we get the full Rahm experience. Don't forget we're just civil servants who should be seen and not heard.We have no business thinking for ourselves. Right Rahm?
10 hr housing schedule still the best for enjoying your "real" life...
Go to the ten hour day already! Why work nine hours when you could add another hour and get the extra days off?
If I had to go back to 6 and 2 I think I might go bungie jumping without a cord. I really hope that doesn't happen because I don't know how the fuck I could get through the week anymore on that schedule. I don't know how I ever did it for so long in the past.
They should have just let the start times stay the same as the 6-2. You work about 16 days less with the 4-2 and it wouldn't get you to the 2080 hours annually it makes for a more balanced work and home life. I'd give up CAPS Day and Presidents Day to keep it. Not to sure I believe this one.
Most MA PD's work 4-2 (8 hour shifts). It is the best we can do and most are happy. My PD's management want some sort of 12 hour thing with 3 or 4 on/off. Not sure it will happen.
I've been an advocate of the 1 day on..6 days off schedule for years. In fact..some have worked this scedule for years lol.
There is no way I am rotating. There is no way I am giving up the 4&2. Fuck You TINY DANCER!
I like the 4 days in a row. If they start that rotating shit, I hope they can keep clout out of it so everyone rotates and rotate 4 periods, 4 periods and 5 periods. That way everyone works at least 4 periods of each watch in a row before changing. That rotating every 28 days shit is stupid.
I have always felt strait watches destroyed this department. working a rotation allowed young with old coppers to work together and created pride in your watch. There were always two working watches and the dog watch. Anyone who wanted strait mids or afternoons ,for the most part, got it because of man power needs. Days were all clout when it came to manaagement. Each watch should be 50 % bid fifty % rotation and get rid of management. I would go back to the rotatation even thouugh I could bid to strait days.
6 and 2 didnt bother me either your body gets used to it. 4 and 2 is ok I will say that I dont like having to burn an extra half hour for comp time and bfd's. I think we spoil our children too much. So I think we are going to have alot of crybabies if we rotate again. And before anybody starts about how they have kids. My kids were babies when I rotated . Remember nobody made you have kids so you can quit. (That was a direct qoute to the Fat Bitch in my district who looks like Fiona from Shrek and is married to Kung Fu Panda). Whatever our schedule doesn't matter. I STILL love my job .
Boy, O Boy do they know how to bring morale DOWN... if we rotate they really will take the last breath away from us... I can't see the light at the end of the tunnel anymore. Plus they are putting that on the table to keep from paying us a little more money..Blah,Blah,Blah there are cars ppl have turned into truck whores theas all they want to drive so they stay in the station.
Very bad ideas. 4-2 makes for more stable POs. 6-2 was responsible for all sorts of bad shit. Keep in mind, the only reason they went to 4-2 was the manpower shortage, not to help you. As fucked up as it is with the lack of cars, it's still in their interest too now.
Rotating is terrible, did it for my first 8 years. It's a disaster for every area of your life.
Sounds like negotiating points to me that they're going to use at contract time.
So glad I am retiring in 2012. I came on when we rotated. Being a female with 3 small kids was hard enough but rotating shifts just about killed me.
As for 4-2. Not bad. Goes by fast. I would word 5-2/5-3 BUT no rotation.
Stay sfae!
I've been an advocate of the 1 day on..6 days off schedule for years. In fact..some have worked this scedule for years lol.
6/01/2011 05:41:00 AM
Sorry...should of been "schedule"
whoops lol
I'm an old timer 28byears workink 6-2 and rotating is no fun.It was the cause of many ruin family relations those who claimed to enjoyed it are full of shit.
The 4 and 2 is the best thing to happen on this job in memory. If they take it away, I will find something else to do. Also, families need to be considered. The spouse and I are both on the job and have 2 very young children. Rotate our shifts and finding a babysitter for different hours every 28 days will not happen. One of us would be forced to quit. Also, a six day work week with young children is incredibly stressful. If these people want to change our schedules, I hope they brought some lawn chairs to sit back with us and watch this place burn.
end CAPS and the take home cars
Watch the retirements increase in this shithole city! That is what New Twinkle Toes i.e. Rahm wants to accomplish!
Twinkle Toes wants more of you old high salary KMA's off the job!
Then he can hire young, aggressive officers, under a new 401K style plan! The academy is empty now for a reason and won't be hiring any new classes until that happens!
What is the union going to do about it? Not a damn thing!
You heard it here first!
Da Pelon
LoL!!! bye bye
Rotating was fine, although when it came time to midnights, a little rough. I never liked the steady watch. As a sergeant with no clout, I was stuck on midnights for years. There were no changes from year to year as we were told. The watches were more accountable. I am retired now, and my vote does not count. The current force has to decide what is good for them, although the brass will make that untimate decision. Take the brass of of steady watch, days, and make them change to whatever schedule the rank and file go on. I would not like to see the 6 and 2 come back, I did a whole career on that shift and it was brutal. If it does come back, put everyone on it to include inside staff and brass.
How about 12 hour shifts
Rotating = NO ACTIVITY FROM ME!
Fuck you very much!
Anonymous said...
Does anyone know whether the 4&2 schedule is part of the contract or if it's just a pilot type work schedule?
Hey slick. Here is a new idea for you. Look it up yourself you lazy pr--k. The "it's all about me generation." Have someone else do the work. There is a link on this site to the FOP. Go find it and learn someting all by yourself. This might be the start of you learning how to study so you can be a sergeant someday. Yah, right!
This is ridiculous!!! You think officers were feeling stressed and worn out from working 6 and 2, adding a rotation of every 28 to 56 days will make the shit worse!!!! It takes the body minimum 6 months to adjust to changing times schedules!! This bullshit!!! FOP needs to speak the fuck up and do something. Damn, are they gonna stay mum on this too???!!!!?? WTF!
Glad to see rotating watches coming back.
I thought the city agreed to the 4-2 for the longer overlap between 3rd and 1st watch, putting more cars on the street. They can purchase 2-3 vehicles for one PO's salary and benefits.
A lot of opinions with very little to back them up. I'd like to hear more about the NY schedule. What we have now is chaos. Change time is a mess. I don't think they thought this 4 and 2 through.
I rotated way back when and it can work to your advantage if you use it. Midnights was practically down time compared to afternoons, and days were annoying with the traffic. It did make for a more cohesive District. I'm open to it, and yes I have a family.
Mad Mac came to our roll call talking about all his great work at the 4-5 in NY. He said he wanted more proactive policing here. I don't know much, but I know that if he and 9.5 do this, they will have a hard time even getting reactive policing out of most of the CPD.
Sounds like the tiny dance troupe is strategizing already. The city needs money and needs to take something away from us. What a better way than to toss a threat on the table, that they have no intention of implementing. But this threat will force us to "negotiate" and give up something in order to keep the 4 and 2 / non rotation.
Politics, as usual, just not communicated blubberingly obnoxious...
FOP never brought it up because NYPD was paid less per year......Thats not really the case now is it?
No, It's not because WE are paid LESS than NYPD. Who ever thinks we get more is smoking something. The city does'nt give a shit about our health and what this would do to it, go ahead and get hurt on the job and tell me otherwise. The only thing that would ever get the city to not implement this would be some type of work action, and that will NEVER EVER HAPPEN. Cops here could'nt stick together to get a million dollar a year bonus check
http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/news/local/ct-met-chicago-police-superintendent-20110531,0,1310773.story
Hey GMAC rearranging the chairs on the titanic been done before same shit no charge!
I'm retired now, but I do know that we were closer as a group when we rotated. You kind of bonded I guess because we were all in it together. I also know (I left late in 2010) that morale on 3rd watch, and to a lesser degree midnights sucks because there is a sense of "I'll never get off this watch". I know I know, the response will be that "you'll get off when you have time on the job", I get that. I just know that when we did rotate I hated afternoons because you were never around for family stuff. I feel sorry for the people who are on afternoons for years. But we did it because that was the deal, and we knew that the shift would change in a month.
Medical studies have shown that the way we rotated (against the body clock) was bad health wise. No doubt about that. But I was younger then, and it did not seem so bad. As has been said a million times, we just seemed to have more fun in those days.
That 6 day week though, no effin good. What about a 90 day rotation with some kind of bid deal where seniority is used to determine who works what shift in which 90 day window? So maybe the older po's would get days in the summer?
Anyway as I said, I'm gone now, but I still want to see you all get treated better or as well as possible. Good luck with this, and please stay safe.
God bless you all.
RIP Alex Valadez, gone two years today. You are missed amigo, and never forgotten.
it has already been proven that the sixth day results in more injuries, medical use, and cr #'s. Are these people retarded?
Rotating shifts KILL PEOPLE, it's been proven time and time again.
When I came on we rotated and it was hell. You were always sick, you were always tired. Your family didn't get to see you unless you were horizontal. Police cars were wrecked, the medical roll usage was way up, guys had heart attacks, strokes, divorces, hypertension and were overweight because they were too tired to do anything but sleep.
Leave it the way it is.
good, 4 and 2 sucks.
In mid-90's, rotated forward in 3 police period spans on a 6 & 2 schedule. It was not bad, but was coming from the 6 & 2 and rotating backwards every 28 days, so even a slap in the head might have felt better than rotating backwards.
All in all, if you have no choice, but to rotate, the 6 & 2 rotating forward every 3 periods was not bad. Going from afternoons to midnights was bearable because there was no going home and coming back within 7.5 hours like there was every 3 periods when rotating backwards from afternoons to days and days to midnights.
keep the 4-2 schedule!how about 12 hour shifts ,with 3 and 4 days off!if its not broke dont fix it!!
You people should be raising hell about our pensions and the shape they are in and start complaining and have your voices heard about how they dont have any language in the new gaming bill in regards that money even a small percent of it going to our pension funds.
rahm will try to change our pensions this fall,use the residency law to save our pensions! fuck with us we will do whatever it takes to get residency lifted,how about it mike?
Reduce number of officers assigned to 1st watch , start 1st watch at
0200hrs , increase officers on 3rd watch , that's where manpower is needed .
'The human body thrives on routine....
6/01/2011 12:20:00 AM'
no, the human body becomes dependent on routine and stagnates within routines. as does the human mind and, especially, the human spirit.
even a caveman knew that.
To the one who said "give up the 55 retiree health care and 4-2 for residency", I say FU!!!!
Never give anything up.
The 55 Retiree health care costs the city nothing as the money to pay it comes from the Obama Economic Recovery Act.
The 4-2 schedule was the City's idea. If there are problems with it, it is of their making. (typical)
The fixed schedule by seniority has been around since the early 90's. It was given to us by an arbitrator. Labor arbitrators are very reluctant to take away what another brother arbitrator gave. And the City would have to show some very compelling argument about how rotating shifts makes a better police officer. Good luck.
A equally-compelling argument can be for straight shifts, as the officer knows what is going on on a certain area at a certain time. Plus there are health issues, too. Especially as a person gets older. Tho when we rotated there was much more comaradrie. EVERY felt (and looked) like sh!t.
I think residency needs to go as it has been a long time since it has been positive. The idea of residency is that the police are "connected" to the community they serve...(ROFLMAO)
..but that needs to be a two-way street. It is not.
Who's Tiny Dancer 9.5?
Can they actually switch back to 6 and 2? What about 10 HR days instead?
6/01/2011 02:23:00 AM
That's what I'm saying!! May as well take it to 10hr days but 6-2 plus rotating is insane & won't fly. The effects will be too adverse. Many of us are in school, have families, part-times, family activities to tend too, etc. Get your lawyers lined up cuz that's some bullshit. Also, we can do 5-2, 5-3...that would be sweet but I believe it's some people in charge that have an issue with feeling like they're giving us too much time off from work. I wondered why they didn't go a 5 day route after getting rid of 6-2.
Who's coming up with these ideas because they're bad and make no sense?? Then again that's like a nickname for Chicago.. "do-whatever-that-makes-no sense"! Wow...I'm gonna call FOP to inquire...if this is being considered, they're gonna get an earfull from me.
If you read the last contract the scheduled is not protected it was not apart of collective bargaining. Nothing is given for free the city knew exactly what they were doing. Give us officers a ”taste” and then make us pay top dollar for it. Wither it be health care, pension increase, or a shity new raise.
Management spots can already be rotated doesn't take much.
I came on the job during those 'rotation' days. I was a young man then, and I enjoyed rotating, it gave me an opportunity to observe crime conditions on my beat 24/7.
Ok Johnny crime fighter, your mom wants you to turn the pc off and go to bed. You hand job.
If true FOP better put up the fight of their lives! Going back to 6 & 2 would take the proactive life out of anyone.
For those too naive to understand what's going on, here's a clue:
Until this moment, the fucktard City had ZERO chips to bargain with against the police department.
It IS Emanuel's intent to attempt to deny ANY type of raise in our next 4 to 5 year contract AS WELL AS his intent to try and kill off medical benefits and attempts to try and force us all to pay twice the amount of pension contributions.
If he were to attempt to try and get a contract passed today, the membership would tell him to go fuck off and twice on Sunday. So the only way to gain leverage is to try and take away things the police want in hopes we'd be stupid enough to give him what HE wants, which is 10% of our pay back in his pocket PLUS a pay freeze guaranteed for 5 years by contract.
Don't expect this to be the only bullshit this fucker's gonna try and pull to create a scale tipped in his favor to get the stupid and ignorant young ones to give up their pay and retirement so they can keep working a 4 and 2 shift.
As it stands now, and as has been pointed out before, there IS no way to cancel contracts without it costing millions in reparations. There IS no way around contractual obligations OTHER THAN TO DECLARE A STATE OF EMERGENCY IN CHICAGO.
There is currently NO WAY for the little putz to declare an emergency without cutting his own throat because any attempt to claim an "emergency" in name only to get what he wants ain't gonna pass the courts.
All these items are negotiated items, and none can be set aside unless mandatory criteria are met, and he can't do that without losing it in court or driving people and businesses out of this city in a panic.
Or maybe we were on an economic high at the time and now the times they are a'changin'?
6/01/2011 01:29:00 AM
Or just maybe it was a PLANNED event designed to create a false bargaining chip in the future.
As soon as the value of increased costs are obtained through givebacks the bargaining chip is withdrawn.
The problem with most of you people is you can't think past tomorrow and you believe everything at it's face value as it appears today.
Government operates in the FUTURE, by orchestrating circumstances now to get them what they will be wanting in the future.
Why the fuck else do you think your pension is fucked today?
It's soley because it was WIN/WIN for Daley both real time and in the future. Money stolen from being paid into the fund today, and the deliberately decimated result of a pension fund he could now use as a tool to destroy the fund altogether so he could KEEP taking that tax money to buy other shit and pay other cronies.
Stop thinking like a child and learn to see the bigger, long term picture. When you can do that, you'll learn to make the right decisions TODAY to protect YOURSELF in the future.
Already rotating on Tact. Sucks. Yeah Yeah. Then don't I leave? Soon.
As far as 6 and 2. NO!
Rotating shifts has a negative impact on health. I am not hair gel, but do have experience in this area (research for post-grad).... There is a pluthera of statistical data that links rotating shifts with desynchronsis....
6 and 2 didnt bother me either your body gets used to it. 4 and 2 is ok I will say that I dont like having to burn an extra half hour for comp time and bfd's. I think we spoil our children too much. So I think we are going to have alot of crybabies if we rotate again. And before anybody starts about how they have kids. My kids were babies when I rotated . Remember nobody made you have kids so you can quit. (That was a direct qoute to the Fat Bitch in my district who looks like Fiona from Shrek and is married to Kung Fu Panda). Whatever our schedule doesn't matter. I STILL love my job .
6/01/2011 07:09:00 AM
What the hell is wrong with you!!!!
Just because your body gets "used to it" doesn't make it right or healthy for you. I remember my first cigarette as a young teen and how it made me hack and cough and feel horrible but, hey, I got used to it and developed a really healthy 2 pack a day habit for ten years....you are a moron. I know you stated that you STILL love your job and that's great. Let's just see how long your "adapted" body lasts after you retire.
6 n 2 BLOWS! Thank God, Ive only got a few years left.
I Worked 6-2,,,,6-3,,,4-2,,,The 6-3 is the best one..that 3rd day off is the shit and dropin a slip or two for 4and5day wknds was awesome..Heard Kane County does the 5-2,,5-3 roation sounds good too me.. Ill take it.....
Look people. It's a rumor. Rotating watches hasn't been in effect for twenty years. Not going to happen. Don't get your hair gel all messed up worrying about this.
rahmbalina sez "this my department and you will all do as i sez, but right now someone find my booster seat so i can see over my desk."
Does anyone know whether the 4&2 schedule is part of the contract or if it's just a pilot type work schedule?
Here's an idea, read your contract idiot!!!!!!
What schedule is Newark on?
why not 12 hour days, it will same the city money.
12 hour days. 0600-1800 then 1800-0600. Will save equipment time and money....
2.Our readers pointed out that the overlap and equipment situation would be the major stumbling block of this schedule. It doesn't function well at all.
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The 4 and 2 schedule doesn't have fuck all to do with vehicle or equipment shortage, it's the fucked up start times they've tried to create that puts too many people on the street at the same time in the afternoon and evening and not enough the rest of the time. Their fucked up ideas of trying to put less cops on the street at the same time to mindfuck people into thinking there were more cops was a pathetic fucking failure. Hire the correct amount of fucking police necessary to put the correct number of fucking cops on the street at the same fucking time and there is no fucking problem.
Try going back to the regular overlapping schedule and days on/off don't mean a fuckin' thing.
I know I'm not the only "dinosaur" feeling vindicated as I read this. All the book smart social scientists can not contradict what we are seeing in Chicago and other cities. All the Harry Pottering in the world isn't going to fix this. They can fiddle with times, rotations, RDOs' et. al. and it will not combat what is at the heart of the problem. The liberals have prevailed and will continue to prevail until the "element" kills enough of them or invades their neighborhoods in sufficient numbers to force them into a Neo-Con position. They will NEVER admit to being wrong, To those who have caused this problem, just this:DILLIGAF?!
Fvck the 10 hours! 3rd watch hours sucked. No fun working til 3 am **5** days in a row!
Anonymous said...
This is ridiculous!!! You think officers were feeling stressed and worn out from working 6 and 2, adding a rotation of every 28 to 56 days will make the shit worse!!!! It takes the body minimum 6 months to adjust to changing times schedules!! This bullshit!!! FOP needs to speak the fuck up and do something. Damn, are they gonna stay mum on this too???!!!!?? WTF!
6/01/2011 08:06:00 AM
Very true. I don't need to go to watch party's I have a life outside this JOB thank you.
Ok, boys and girls, here we go.
The 4-2 schedule sucks, plain and simple. Yes, some say it’s better than the 6-2 schedule, but at least with that schedule we had three day weekends. I’ve been on for quite a few years and have experienced every schedule they’ve thrown at us, 6-2, 4-2, 10 hour etc. The 10-hour is great, three days off each week and 4-day weekends (3 consecutive, but the City will never go with that one on a Department-wide basis because it’s a management nightmare for scheduling. It is great for the individual officer (Supervisors included) but hard from a management perspective. The 4-2 schedule, although you are only working four consecutive days then off for two, you are only in reality doing an hour (so to speak) less than the 10-hour schedule, and we ALL know how that last hour works out now don’t we. Ok, sometimes it’s THAT busy, but mostly is an hour of lay low, yes, for you separatists that’s in Patrol too. The 4-2 schedule was shoved on us because it was supposed to work out better for the City financially. No three-day weekends means we will be forced to used 9 hours from our time on the books and that will dwindle our hours down so the City doesn’t have to pay us out when we retire. Their do more with less ideology was supposed to cover all of the equipment shortages and failures as well as the overlap of personnel. Just make damn sure you’re getting nine full hours worth of work out of them somewhere, put them out on foot (Downtown philosophy not local command). Call me odd, but I like the three day weekends and I’ll work the 6th Day to get them too. It really doesn’t have to be six days if the mind-trusts properly work it out. What they need to have is a few working coppers to bounce the ideas off of. I was a house mouse for a time too, so I know that even though an officer is sworn, not all of them in administrative positions have a complete grasp of what the street guys need, and what will work in practicum rather than in paperland. The Admin guys ironing out the schedules need to get some balls and tell the Admin bosses tat “this looks like it will work, but let’s get a variety of street guys(Patrol) in, and a few from the D, and a couple bosses from each and go over it. We have 25 different departments with 75 different units among them, and 6 completely different from that in the investigative units, so let’s put up ALL of the “this is what we do” and make a schedule that allows us to get the job done, balances benefit between the City and the police and makes coming to work pleasant again. And yes, looking forward to your three day weekends is a good thing. My point is don’t dread looking at another schedule, let’s help them make one that works for US, gives us adequate time off and will also managerially be beneficial to the Department. Put your ideas down and send them to the new guy. Keep the nonsense, personal opinion and speculation out of it, keep it to good scheduling ideas and justify why and how it will work. Yea, I know- but don’t bitch if you ain’t gonna try. AND BE OPEN TO A CHANGE.
Many studies have been made about rotating shifts. Rotating shifts are bad for your health.... I don't see how rotating is going to help the manpower shortage. Clearly, the answer is to hire more people..
Let's do the three month rotation. It worked in the past, and we can adapt easily. Rotate in a forward cycle every 90 days. Three months on days, three on afternoons and three on midnights. You only hit midnights two cycles every three years, and the same for days and afternoons. That rotation gives everyone a chance to see the light at the end of the tunnel if they are stuck on a particular watch. There are always a few steady watch bid spots for the more senior guys who want to stay on a particular watch, and yes, some prefer midnights and some prefer days. But most of you will once again have some flexibility in their schedules and the rotation will, as a whole, allow a significant health benefit to many. Look beyond the "oh my God rotating shifts will kill us" thing and look at the avoidance of depression, anxiety, court scheduling conflict (Up all night and go to court all day) and the benefits for family planning. 90 days gives your body enough time to adjust and the forward rotation affords you the change without complete upheaval of your body's natural cycling. It works- I've done it.
called fop this is BS just rru and msf guys mad about losing 10hr day haha
5 - 2 at HQ is rough. By that 4th day, I'm just burned out. I wish we had 4 - 2.
If I can't get the 10 hour day, give me the 6 and 3... Don't have an issue with rotating but NOT every 28 days, every three months or four months... Maybe
called fop this is BS just rru and msf guys mad about losing 10hr day haha
6/01/2011 03:49:00 PM
If this is really what an FOP official said -- we are dead in the water. When the union is blaming and dividing the members how could we win against the employer. I looked on FOP website, Sheilds told us negotiations start a year ahead of expiration. THAT'S NEXT MONTH FOLKS! ! ! No Negotiation team named, no survey of members, no visits to roll calls, Unit Rep Meeting ?
Looking at starting salaries in Itasca, and didn't Drew Peterson's kid just get fired from Oak Brook -- sounds good to me. Last one to leave turn out the lights.
All Of you clowns advocating for this rotation shit are either doomed to midnites already or smoking rock.
Anonymous said...
Let's do the three month rotation. It worked in the past, and we can adapt easily. Rotate in a forward cycle every 90 days. Three months on days, three on afternoons and three on midnights. You only hit midnights two cycles every three years, and the same for days and afternoons.
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6/01/2011 03:13:00 PM
Bull-fucking-shit! No-fucking-way!
Any of you actually rotate watches, ever? I did and it SUCKS! No way will I ever rotate watches again or go back to the 6-2. Not going to happen in my lifetime.
I have the shift I like in my contract and that is that. Everything else is bullshit. My contract is in ink and on paper and is signed, sealed and delivered.
Fuck everything else.
ROTATING versus FIXED SHIFTS
On December 13, 1989, two aldermen co-sponsored a resolution (PR89-149) in the City Council which I had drafted after extensive research. It reads as follows:
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WHEREAS, traditionally, the Department of Police has based its operations on a continuous around-the-clock, counter-clockwise shift rotation at regular intervals, presently every twenty-eight (28) days; and
WHEREAS, incontrovertible and overwhelming medical evidence has since determined that this constant disruption of human circadian rhythms greatly increases the likelihood of failing health, most notably coronary, gastrointestinal and stress related disorders, alcoholism, chronic fatigue, insomnia, migraines and depression as well as the needless disruption of family and personal lives; and
WHEREAS, in the compelling interests of the overall health, longevity, morale and quality of life of police officers and their families, eleven of the twelve largest police departments in other U.S. cities, specifically New York City, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Houston, Washington (D.C.), Baltimore, Dallas, Boston, Milwaukee, San Francisco and Phoenix, have discontinued or are currently discontinuing around-the-clock shift rotation in favor of fixed shifts, and
WHEREAS, in the interests of police management, numerous studies have conclusively proven that conversion to fixed shifts has resulted in dramatic increases in the productivity, alertness and the overall physical and psychological fitness of police officers with corresponding decreases in the medical roll, injuries and accidents (vehicular and otherwise), response time in calls for service and complaints of excessive force; now, therefore,
BE IT RESOLVED that upon passage of this Resolution, the City Council will recommend that the Department of Police immediately institute a written survey of the individual shift preferences of all sworn personnel, without regard to rank, and upon analysis of data, promptly implement a scheduling system based on seniority which will vastly enhance the health and morale of police officers at no additional expense to the taxpayer while exponentially increasing the operational efficiency of the Department of Police; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that upon passage of this Resolution, the City Council will also recommend that until shift rotation has been eliminated by established Department policy, the Department of Police will direct the commanding officers of all districts and affected units to immediately encourage the rescheduling of personnel within the constraints of the operational needs of their respective commands, as determined by individual shift preference and seniority; and
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that upon passage of this Resolution, the City Council will also recommend that under no circumstances will shift rotation and/or undesirable shift assignment be used for disciplinary or punitive purposes.
s/Ald. William M. Beavers, 7th Ward
s/Ald. Edwin W. Eisendrath, 43rd Ward
Anonymous said...
Ok, boys and girls, here we go.
The 4-2 schedule sucks, plain and simple. Yes, some say it’s better than the 6-2 schedule, but at least with that schedule we had three day weekends. I’ve been on for quite a few years and have experienced every schedule they’ve thrown at us, 6-2, 4-2, 10 hour etc. The 10-hour is great, three days off each week and 4-day weekends (3 consecutive, but the City will never go with that one on a Department-wide basis because it’s a management nightmare for scheduling. It is great for the individual officer (Supervisors included) but hard from a management perspective. The 4-2 schedule, although you are only working four consecutive days then off for two, you are only in reality doing an hour (so to speak) less than the 10-hour schedule, and we ALL know how that last hour works out now don’t we. Ok, sometimes it’s THAT busy, but mostly is an hour of lay low, yes, for you separatists that’s in Patrol too. The 4-2 schedule was shoved on us because it was supposed to work out better for the City financially. No three-day weekends means we will be forced to used 9 hours from our time on the books and that will dwindle our hours down so the City doesn’t have to pay us out when we retire. Their do more with less ideology was supposed to cover all of the equipment shortages and failures as well as the overlap of personnel. Just make damn sure you’re getting nine full hours worth of work out of them somewhere, put them out on foot (Downtown philosophy not local command). Call me odd, but I like the three day weekends and I’ll work the 6th Day to get them too. It really doesn’t have to be six days if the mind-trusts properly work it out. What they need to have is a few working coppers to bounce the ideas off of. I was a house mouse for a time too, so I know that even though an officer is sworn, not all of them in administrative positions have a complete grasp of what the street guys need, and what will work in practicum rather than in paperland. The Admin guys ironing out the schedules need to get some balls and tell the Admin bosses tat “this looks like it will work, but let’s get a variety of street guys(Patrol) in, and a few from the D, and a couple bosses from each and go over it. We have 25 different departments with 75 different units among them, and 6 completely different from that in the investigative units, so let’s put up ALL of the “this is what we do” and make a schedule that allows us to get the job done, balances benefit between the City and the police and makes coming to work pleasant again. And yes, looking forward to your three day weekends is a good thing. My point is don’t dread looking at another schedule, let’s help them make one that works for US, gives us adequate time off and will also managerially be beneficial to the Department. Put your ideas down and send them to the new guy. Keep the nonsense, personal opinion and speculation out of it, keep it to good scheduling ideas and justify why and how it will work. Yea, I know- but don’t bitch if you ain’t gonna try. AND BE OPEN TO A CHANGE.
6/01/2011 03:00:00 PM
An alleged fully formed thought and one long ass paragraph. CPS grad perhaps?
I am open to change, a change in states in which I live. As for working conditions and shifts etc., read the contract. Mine are in there. Your verbose meandering ignores the fact that all that crap is settled.
Take an anti depressant and study our General Orders.
Anonymous said...
Who's Tiny Dancer 9.5?
6/01/2011 10:08:00 AM
The one who sits in the booster chair!
if the city changes my pension in the fall it won't matter,i won't do shit!
Already i do a little start the rotational medical here i come! Fuck it this city blows,and they want to take our pension, the 55 and out medical,back to the 6 day bullshit her GMAC what say you? Your silence is deafening sir!! You promoted al wysinger no big deal now what you going to do for the troops??
Every new idea this dept. comes up with is how can we shit on the officers today. Enough. They change officers at a moments notice no consideration for families. It has been proven rotating schedules are health hazards, along with the daily stresses and danger, now they want to shorten our lives even more and make us unhealthy. Many officers didn't want the 4-2 now that it was implemented by the city it is accepted and working. No reason to change it. Is it because of the way police voted?
We are being attacked on a daily basis.
Has any other group gone through changes, fire? Anyone?
10, hour, days. The days off alone make u forget, for a while, that you have to serve this city. Work while at work, and when ur off, at least three days to recover. Four day weekends three weeks in a row. Unbelievable. Great schedule, any ideas to make it work for all can go a long way.
If there arn't any classes in the academy, why is it fully staffed?
Am I missing something? Weren't Rahm and GMac concerned about sagging morale? At least that's what they said.
And these changes would boost morale how??
Let me explain something to both of you. You've got a department that has been demoralized by Shortshanks for the last 20+ years. We also were recently dry fucked for the last 3 years by the combination of Shanks and JFRAUD.
We're quite ready for change but only if it's for the better and represents real change. The aforementioned ideas do not fall into those categories.
Rahm and GMac: you've talked the talk now it's time to walk the walk.
Anonymous said...
called fop this is BS just rru and msf guys mad about losing 10hr day haha
6/01/2011 03:49:00 PM
How the hell do you know who started it....and why the hell do some people take such perverse pleasure in what happens to others.
MSF and TRU are not the only people that were on 10 hour days.....haha.....grow up asshole.
I have high seniority in my district and I could work any watch I choose.
This "duty availability pay" is nothing more than the pols and clout babies perverting the original intent which was SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL for officers working during the hours of darkness; the 3rd and 1st watches.
All the major depts. in the nation have shift differential except us. The fair-haired clout babies working days are stealing our shift differential with this phony "duty availability" crap.
I prefer working days but if there was a cash incentive, I would work afternoons or midnights despite my high seniority. It's not fair. SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL PAY NOW!
I came on the job 24yrs ago and in the Academy was told that on average P.O's die 18 months after retirement. This was due to ,among other things, the rotating shift. I can believe the new Power Structure would love that as that would partially cover the loss of the Pension money.
What the €&@$! If we have to rotate I'm going to &$h8&$! This city and the $hi$&b are pissing me the {%#} off! I'm about to lose my $&££€ mind with this F$@& bull#%#% ....oh this is all b.s.?Hey calm down! Breath in breath out...now realize what you have...!
Northside,
I remember your SCARS newsletter that circulated against rotating shifts. As I recall, SCARS was an acronym for Stressed Cops Against Rotating Shifts.
I know you're very high on Garry McCarthy. Yet, he lost credibility when he insisted that North Ave. Beach was closed due to heat. Any fool knows that the beach was closed because of the invasion of rampaging thugs from the South and West Side. He needs all the credibility he can get. Not a good start. Sounds like Rahmbo is calling the media shots. I hope I'm wrong but McCarthy did lie for sure. Heat, my ass.
Why dont we work one 40 hour shift and have the rest of the week off. load up on coffee & energy drinks...think about it you only go to work about 46 times a year minus furlough..
NorthSide said...
ROTATING versus FIXED SHIFTS
On December 13, 1989, two aldermen co-sponsored a resolution (PR89-149) in the City Council which I had drafted after extensive research. It reads as follows...
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Constantly patting oneself on the back is rather unattractive.
I've been retired 5 years now, or is that retread, or is it retried or am I just plain tired?, Anyways, as much as I hated the rotations, I had my most fun on the job during that time.Of course that was also during the time that you could have a watch party be a REAL watch party.You had to be there. If you had one of those now not only would you get fired, you'd also get sued to boot! Memories.....
6 and 2 is dead, no arbitrator in the world would give it to Rahm. Now let's get back to Cubbie bashing, can you say ninth inning chicken chokers.
A happy sox fan.
I will very soon get the 7-0 schedule with no watches to worry about.
Constantly patting oneself on the back is rather unattractive.
6/01/2011 09:11:00 PM
no wonder you're still single.
"Rotate my schedule, put me back on the 6&2 whatever. It`s a 40 hour work week however it`s drawn up. Just as long as I live in a suburb of my choosing.
6/01/2011 12:21:00 AM"
Enjoy your clapboard house in Dixmoor or Robbins that's all you'll qualify for.
Watch party anyone?
I will very soon get the 7-0 schedule with no watches to worry about.
6/01/2011 10:32:00 PM
All work and no play? 0-7 is better for your health!
Ask the guys in MSF and Tru, McCarthy lied when he met w/ them why change now. Obama 2012 bitches!
The contract is an ordinance!!!
We must keep the 4 + 2 schedule with straight shifts.
Rotating shifts was a killer. The bosses would always put their suck asses in a unit with steady days, even weekends off. The rest of us had to rotate in the districts. Rotating put many officers in an early grave while the daytime brown nosers just sat back and enjoyed life.
Many other departments still rotate shifts. - SCC
PLEASE NAME ONE, SCC.
Anonymous said...
NYPD is 5-2, 5-3 work schedule.....thats right.......you work 5 on then 2 off, 5 on 3 off...what the F--- could be better? That is 24 more days off per year but who's counting and I heard it was an issue not to bring anything less than 2080 hrs per year to the city......FOP never brought it up because NYPD was paid less per year......Thats not really the case now is it? This is the schedule of a department larger then ours....why not us?........you can love 4-2 but I think this blows it out of the water.......9 hours in a 24 hour day makes no sense at all.
An NYPD copper called that 3rd day a scooter day....ask them they will tell you.....I loved 10 hours but 5-2, 5-3 sounds really good compared to 4-2 @ 9 hrs plus CU
Hey fucktard the FOP had the 5-2,5-3 in 2004 and was to be piloted in several districts. The members voted it down because it took 8 weeks to get to the weekends. Guys were crying they wouldnt get a weekend in july or august. For the record I voted for it because it sounded great. But hey majority rules even if they are fools.
A happy sox fan.
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How's Danks doing?
WHEREAS, incontrovertible and overwhelming medical evidence has since determined that this constant disruption of human circadian rhythms greatly increases the likelihood of failing health, most notably coronary, gastrointestinal and stress related disorders, alcoholism, chronic fatigue, insomnia, migraines and depression as well as the needless disruption of family and personal lives;
Well, Alcoholism is the only one of the above problems that I have NOT suffered since going to the 4-2 with the early start times. Cholesterol is up, I get regular headaches, I can't sleep, I lay in bed for hours without being able to sleep and have no energy when awake. I now take 5 pills every morning and need an inhaler ($90 a month in prescriptions) to combat digestive system allergies, chronic heartburn and ulcerative proctitis that I developed 8 months into this wonderful new schedule. I'm sure this schedule works for everyone on days and afternoons (then again what shedule doesn't work for you when you sleep normal hours), but it sucks donkey cock on midnights and I would much rather go back to the 6-2 if it meant going back to the late start time. And I'm not the only one, there have been others on my watch with similar gastrointestinal ailments and others with headaches since going to the 4-2. Think about this, for us on midnights, we have to change our circadian rythm every 4 days now instead of every 6, thats 8 more circadian disruptions per year than under the old schedule. And now we never get a 3 day weekend to wind down, just 2 days which for us on midnights is really 2 half days off with 1 full day in the middle, which if you have court isn't a day off at all. Under the old schedule, I slept 7-9 hrs a night and I never took time unless I wanted to add a day or two to my 3 day weekend to go out of town or get some project done. Now I sleep 3-5 hrs and have to burn time just to not "burn out". The worst part of the 4-2 has got to be the earlier start time which is the biggest fuck you if you have court, now when I get off at 7 instead of 8 I have 2 useless hours to kill that I can't use for sleep or anything productive for that matter. And try to schedule a side job that coincides with our fucked up start times since going to the 4-2.
I know at least a couple of guys on my watch besides me that are seeing the ill effects and don't want to blame it on the 4-2 because everyone seems to "love" it so much that they can't belive it would be to blame. Bullshit - the 4-2 sucks on midnights plain and simple and I'd gladly go back to the 6-2 if it meant I could have my late start time back. And I'm not crying sour grapes because I'm on midnights, I had done a couple years on midnights with the 6-2 and had thought I'd like to spend the rest of my career there. And I had never had a medical problem prior to the schedule change. I had planned for several reasons to spend my career on midnights, but don't think I will be able to now for health reasons. unfortunately for me, with the earlier start times, Afternoons doesn't really work for me either anymore, so I guess it doesn't matter = the 4-2 fucks me either way
As for rotating watches, well I can't really see how that would benefit the department and it would shure suck for me. But who the hell am I to complain with no time on the job. Maybe the oldtimers on days who have done so much for this department and have earned the right to my shift differential also deserve the 4-2 schedule at the expense of my health. Well its almost 8 and I haven't been to sleep yet, got to go see you at the 1030 roll call.
F&*K The Dumbshit,
bring back the 10 hr days. It was the best thing since slice bread.In housing we loved it, and everywhere else that it was installed; 005 , 021 . Heck, I was trying to tell the Old -Timers in 020 before they briefly had 10 hr days and nobody wanted it.But, after having it for a couple years, everyone was sad to see it cancelled.
Hey fucktard the FOP had the 5-2,5-3 in 2004 and was to be piloted in several districts. The members voted it down because it took 8 weeks to get to the weekends. Guys were crying they wouldnt get a weekend in july or august. For the record I voted for it because it sounded great. But hey majority rules even if they are fools.
6/02/2011 10:10:00 AM
Really???? No "fucktard" it was some bullshit that where you had 1 day off then work 4 then have two off then work 5 blah blah blah....it was all over the place and yes some people actually had no weekend off through out the whole summer and as a matter of fact FOP could not present a schedule that did not have officers working 2080 hours a year....The NYPD schedule actually is short 26 days or 208 hours. I brought up this schedule to Mark Donahue and his response was that the city won' t accept a schedule without 2080 hours and that NYPD was making far less than CPD. Such is not the case anymore. What I do remember about that schedule you're referring to is that on some weeks you would only have 1 day off and yes you may not get a weekend in the summer......... So go fuck yourself jagoff!
Rotate the exempts out of their ivory tower and put them where they could do some actual work, like trying to be police.
Otherwise, rotating the real police is an incredibly stupid idea. Say hello to Provigil to keep awake and Ambien to sleep. If the powers that be go through with this, they will have the real overworked police in positions where safety is compromised and mistakes will be made.
Tiny Dancer and Superintendent McCarthy, hire more police officers if you really care about the safety of the city and safety of the officers. This is an incredibly misguided idea, and will not accomplish anything good. As we saw over Memorial Day weekend and the ongoing flash mobs and wildings, there aren't enough officers to keep the wrongdoers in check!
not a cop
Hey fucktard the FOP had the 5-2,5-3 in 2004 and was to be piloted in several districts. The members voted it down because it took 8 weeks to get to the weekends. Guys were crying they wouldnt get a weekend in july or august. For the record I voted for it because it sounded great. But hey majority rules even if they are fools.
6/02/2011 10:10:00 AM
You're dead wrong on this one. I remember that bullshit schedule they rolled out years ago. It was the most retarded thing anyone has ever seen. 5-2, 5-3 does not equal waiting long for a weekend off. That shit they came up with... well I don't know what the fuck it was besides the most confusing thing of all time. Depending on what day off group you had you could actually go almost 3 months without ever seeing a Fri or Sat off. It definitely wasn't a 5-2, 5-3 schedule though.
Management has presented NOTHING to FOP about this, has suggested nothing, has hinted at nothing.
Some weasel from HQ probably planted this to get reaction. Don't for a minute think management can't use this blog for their own purposes.
They can and they do.
We aren't going to change steady watches, something we have had for almost 20 years. We aren't getting off the 4-2. It was the City that wanted the 4-2 over all other alternative work schedules.
We aren't going off that. If they want to fine tune it they can, but 4-2 is what we have, period.
And changes must be negotiated. You won't have a hint at what the City wants until after this contract expires June 30, 2012. than back to the same old shit again.
Contract settled likely around summer, 2015. Don't start spending your retro.
Well its almost 8 and I haven't been to sleep yet, got to go see you at the 1030 roll call.
6/02/2011 08:03:00 PM
Have you ever considered bidding to a different watch? just sayin
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