Cutting School Officers?
Do all Chicago public high schools really need two Chicago police officers stationed inside them every day — at a cost of $25 million a year?
The tab for police service — begun under former Mayor Richard M. Daley — recently more than tripled, prompting Chicago Public School officials faced with a $712 million deficit to start taking a hard look at whether every penny of that cost is being spent effectively.
“We’re looking at if we need two police officers in every high school all day long. My guess is we don’t,” CPS Chief Administrative Officer Tim Cawley told the Chicago Sun-Times.
Hey? How about forming a "School Unit"? Would that work?
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posted by SCC at 12:01 AM
95 Comments:
The "School Unit" didn't work before. Too many prima donnas who thought they worked for the CPS and not the CPD.
Do the high schools need 2 police officers?
No. Most of them need 4 or 6.
Is that the unit Scmear, Hurtz, Whaggen and Hugg are all going too?
Also heard Fitzwell might be in the hunt too.
No mention of all the units held down outside each school at dismissal in addition to the school unit?
“We’re looking at if we need two police officers in every high school all day long. My guess is we don’t,” CPS Chief Administrative Officer Tim Cawley told the Chicago Sun-Times.
ut oh.
i hear opportunity knocking.....
Chalkie
What's the difference between pulling officers out of the district to be assigned to a school unit and assigning officers in the district to a school? Those officers are still not on regular patrol. Even if there is a school unit they would still assign 2-4 patrol cars (depending on the district) to school dismissals every day. It's ridiculous. CPS should hire and maintain there OWN security.
Has there been any stats or reports on if disbanding MSF and TRU to work beat cars is helping? Have any of the seven districts really seen a drop in crime? What do the commanders really think of having groups of unhappy POs working for them?
Why does GEU have school Teams working straight days in the summer ?
The answer is no we don't need two officers in school wasting tax payers money sleeping disappearing and doing nothing for eight hours weekends off this should have never occurred in the first place these school already have school security who should handle the schools
On there own I am so glad this issued has come up. The funny part is some of these officers don't even have time of the job to be working the schools some times having school officers makes things worst so effective immediately no need for school units were they already have school security thank u rahm.
thank u rahm.
7/04/2011 03:48:00 AM
no soup for you.
next!
Right! Let the felon sex offender security guards molest and kidnap your children so the city can get the Olympics or a matching bean or close another airport or sighs that direct you to the nearest pound to park so they save money on tow trucks.
Big brother is very hungry!
They tried this before, cutting school officers. Then there was mass carnage as the young college-bound students, good boys & girls all, started killing each other en masse.
Then they screamed for police in schools. Then police were put back in schools. The carnage slowed a little. OK with me if they pull police from all schools. My kids are grown and gone from this shithole city.
Back to basics. Let the police be the police - not babysitters and social workers.
3:48AM, You might be right about not needing officers in the schools, however if you are the police you need to go back to school for a basic grammar and spelling class. WOW!
Reading the response by 3:48AM it seems that a distinct lack of schooling is evident in the horrible writing by that poster. What an ignorant fuck with the shockingly poor grammar and sentence structure on display.
The School Unit, the career builders for Little Tommie Byrne and Henny Penny, now what do you think about bringing back the School Unit ?
Get rid of the crossing guards as well.
If parents haven't taught their children how to properly cross a street like human beings by the time they are attending school, then, well, its called thinning the herd.
The STUPID kids who don't understand how to avoid being crushed by a car by looking both ways before entering a crosswalk, will probably be a burden on society for the rest of their lives anyway.
The STUPID drivers who mow down pedestrians or school kids who are legally crossing a street in the crosswalk can't be stopped by a Crossing Guard anyway. This is also an opportunity to get those drunks and bad drivers off the road (though, lord knows the courts don't seem to give a shit!).
The answer is no we don't need two officers in school wasting tax payers money sleeping disappearing and doing nothing for eight hours weekends off this should have never occurred in the first place these school already have school security who should handle the schools
On there own I am so glad this issued has come up. The funny part is some of these officers don't even have time of the job to be working the schools some times having school officers makes things worst so effective immediately no need for school units were they already have school security thank u rahm.
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Lay off the sauce buddy.
7/04/2011 12:38:00 AM
Anonymous said...
What's the difference between pulling officers out of the district to be assigned to a school unit and assigning officers in the district to a school? Those officers are still not on regular patrol. Even if there is a school unit they would still assign 2-4 patrol cars (depending on the district) to school dismissals every day. It's ridiculous. CPS should hire and maintain there OWN security.
7/04/2011 01:13:00 AM
THEY DO! The CPS reimburse CPD for the cost (salary) of every officer, sergeant, and at times, a lieutenant assigned to the high schools. Reimbursement also covers the district's '04 cars.
Signed: former CPS liaison sgt.
Anonymous said...
Has there been any stats or reports on if disbanding MSF and TRU to work beat cars is helping? Have any of the seven districts really seen a drop in crime? What do the commanders really think of having groups of unhappy POs working for them?
7/04/2011 02:27:00 AM
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Ask Carother's.
He seems to have a handle on how much crime there is in the 007th Dist.!!!!!
LOL
The answer is no we don't need two officers in school wasting tax payers money sleeping disappearing and doing nothing for eight hours weekends off this should have never occurred in the first place these school already have school security who should handle the schools
On there own I am so glad this issued has come up. The funny part is some of these officers don't even have time of the job to be working the schools some times having school officers makes things worst so effective immediately no need for school units were they already have school security thank u rahm.
.......Maybe you should become a school officer. You might pick up some spelling skills or not...it is CPS
school officers another form of merit take care of the clout baby police.
Ag SCHOOL CHAS Mt Greenwood waste of two officers along with Young, Jones, Payton, Hyde Park, and a host of others on the northside. Let the Board hire there own security.
In addition to the School Officers, they routinely hold down numerous Beat Cars for such bastions of education as "The Julian Correctional Institute" and "Our Lady of Fenger", as I'm sure at others City-Wide. At times a Sgt. & 8 was the norm. Yeah...pull the Coppers out.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
The "School Unit" didn't work before. Too many prima donnas who thought they worked for the CPS and not the CPD.
7/04/2011 12:05:00 AM
many of those assigned to the schools now are Prima Donnas too........
They should keep the unit. Otherwise, the beat car will get 4-5 assignments on a daily basis if a high school is on his beat. They also write a huge number of truants. The beat cars will be forced to pick up the slack in this regard too. School officers usually get good information on gang fights, etc.
Signed: A former school officer
The answer is no we don't need two officers in school wasting tax payers money sleeping disappearing and doing nothing for eight hours weekends off this should have never occurred in the first place these school already have school security who should handle the schools
On there own I am so glad this issued has come up. The funny part is some of these officers don't even have time of the job to be working the schools some times having school officers makes things worst so effective immediately no need for school units were they already have school security thank u rahm.
7/04/2011 03:48:00 AM
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What a dumb comment. You must be a product of CPS with your flawed logic and inability to write a coherent paragraph. I'm not the greatest writer, but your rambling comment looks like it was written by a dyslexic third grader. I apologize for insulting dyslexic third graders.
Work at a High School for years had 10 off duty CPD officers and over 16 Cps Security Officers and it was still bad
Cutting school officers, you got to be crazy, some of you may think the officers sleep and hide all day, but I use to work in one of those high school/prisons and the truth is you need at least 3 officers in most of the worst schools just to control all the fighting and assaults to school personnel.
Anonymous said...
The answer is no we don't need two officers in school wasting tax payers money sleeping disappearing and doing nothing for eight hours weekends off this should have never occurred in the first place these school already have school security who should handle the schools
On there own I am so glad this issued has come up. The funny part is some of these officers don't even have time of the job to be working the schools some times having school officers makes things worst so effective immediately no need for school units were they already have school security thank u rahm.
7/04/2011 03:48:00 AM
Are you f**king nuts ! Unfortunately , there are plenty of High Schools in Chicago that need more than 3-4 officers. And most need at least 2 cops.
What CPS is trying to do is get rid of the 26 million they pay the department for school officers by getting rid of the school officers. They will then instruct the principals to call 911 for police service.
Here is a thought, how about getting rid of the students that menace the rest of the school? They don't want to be there and we don't want them there. There is no law that says we have to enslave them to make them learn. Their loss.
We provide a school system for taxpayers only, No illegals.
No illegals, expel trouble makers. I just saved millions and put dozens of police on the street. Ta Da!
Is that Tim "I will not live in the city even though I make $160,000/year" Cawley?
Two officers in every school could easily be eliminated with two parents in every home.
Mr. Cawley doesn't have to walk the halls of our ghetto high schools. Poor teachers, and good students, will be in more danger than they were before. I don't see the CPS bosses cutting back on their bloated administrative staff with those $100,000 a year plus paychecks. Again cut the perceived waste at the bottom and make the little guy suffer. With only one cop in the school that puts twice as much danger on that one cop. And the beat goes on.
The answer is no we don't need two officers in school wasting tax payers money sleeping disappearing and doing nothing for eight hours weekends off this should have never occurred in the first place these school already have school security who should handle the schools
On there own I am so glad this issued has come up. The funny part is some of these officers don't even have time of the job to be working the schools some times having school officers makes things worst so effective immediately no need for school units were they already have school security thank u rahm.
7/04/2011 03:48:00 AM
Let me guess. CPS victim.
It's been long enough, TRU and MSF are History!! Put a fork in it, quit talking about it, you are like the Sat. Teams and SOS. History. Enough said. Now do your job and SHUT UP!!
Has there been any stats or reports on if disbanding MSF and TRU to work beat cars is helping? Have any of the seven districts really seen a drop in crime?
Too soon to tell.
What do the commanders really think of having groups of unhappy POs working for them?
Do you honestly think they care?
What about all the other bullshit details like every Sunday there has to be an officer assigned to Old Saint Pat's church for a tour because Maggie wants an officer there. What about the rest of the city churches?
What a great idea! Does that mean since the CTA pays for special employment out of it's budget at dismissal times the cta cars will watch the buses as they are paid to do,or will they still put CTA special on the schools to watch the animals as they start the bullshit as usual! Fuck it no coppers at or near the schools, let the parents that are link card holders be required to be there at the school everyday at dismissal that would be "change we could believe in!"
If only parents took the responsibility for their offsprings we wouldn't need any officers at schools.....dream on. Until then just take a ride at dismisal time by Julian, Fenger, Harlen or Morgan Park H.s. to name a few, and see for yourself.
Why does GEU have school Teams working straight days in the summer ?
Because MSF and TRU no longer exist. MSF/TRU had teams dedicated to working the day shift. During the school year they handled dismissals and the violent west and southside schools. During the summer they would handle summer school locations and then hit the districts early. Since there is no more MSF/TRU it is now your job, slacker. You wanted us disbanded, you got your wish. Now handle your job and quit bitching.
Had a school unit before and it was disbanded. If they need more officers on the street start there. why can't the board hire their own security?!
Yes, they took them away before only to find that they needed them to come back.
Has there been any stats or reports on if disbanding MSF and TRU to work beat cars is helping? Have any of the seven districts really seen a drop in crime? What do the commanders really think of having groups of unhappy POs working for them?
7/04/2011 02:27:00 AM
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Really? who's unhappy? you must be one of those prima donnas who has no time or experience on the job and now you must work for your pay let alone for what you were trained for at the academy.... because why would be unhappy working a real beat and car? oh wait thats right, you now have to be at a roll call , answer calls and do checkoffs... hmmmm yeah i'd be unhappy too, but i'm no prima donna ... so welcome to the job you schmuck !
Just look in the 009 dist you'll see school officers with not even enough time on the job to have days working schools straight days weekends off.Great way to reward the friends and girlfriends of sgt.
What about the elementary schools? I work(lol) on Z4, and I hear every morning cars/foot guys going down at the Private & Charter Schools.
Who pays for that? Why is the CPD providing security for these places?
Arent we short in the manpower area? Never hear incidents occuring at those schools- so WHY are we there??????????
The answer is no we don't need two officers in school wasting tax payers money sleeping disappearing and doing nothing for eight hours weekends off this should have never occurred in the first place these school already have school security who should handle the schools
On there own I am so glad this issued has come up. The funny part is some of these officers don't even have time of the job to be working the schools some times having school officers makes things worst so effective immediately no need for school units were they already have school security thank u rahm.
7/04/2011 03:48:00 AM
I think you should have finished your last cocktail, gone to bed and stayed off the computer at 3:48AM. It's pretty obvious how people say stupid shit at late hours when they think they know it all.
You obviously don't know WTF you are talking about or have ever been in one of these shit hole high schools during the day.
Like anything else some people assigned to schools don't do shit but for the most part the p.o.'s assigned to the schools work their asses off. Many districts can't find people willing to do it.
If it was so fucking easy there would be no need for 5 or 6 cars at all these schools every afternoon. What do you think a dismissal at Fenger, Julian, Robeson or Marshal would be like it there weren't for half of each district outside. If you don't want to work in a school then don't but keep your ignorant comments about something you know nothing about to yourself.
Maybe your clout couldn't get you a spot with days and weekends off.
Has there been any stats or reports on if disbanding MSF and TRU to work beat cars is helping? Have any of the seven districts really seen a drop in crime? What do the commanders really think of having groups of unhappy POs working for them?
Simple anwser no; they're usless in their unit & are usless now. They still have that "Entitlement" mentality.
I recall Alderman Burke dumping two of his bodyguards/gofers in 1991.
They wanted to go to the Intelligence Section but it was pointed out to Townsend that the unit had too many political hacks and no more room for lazy dogs. Burke then requested that they go to School Patrol because it offered weekends off, summer furloughs and little to no work. That is were Townsend sent them.
School Patrol should of been disbanded years ago because it is just another spot for useless critters!
they need more police in the schoos, than they need for burkes detail
7/04/2011 03:48:00 AM
You obvously never worked days or at least not in a busy district. I thought the same thing until I went to days. Some schools they may do nothing, those spots should be eliminated, but most of them they are doing reports all day for units who blow off jobs saying "go to school tomorrow or Monday and tell the school officers". When they're not doing reports they're breaking up fights between all the rival gangs in the school. I can't wait to see the carnage that happens when they pull them out. Let's take the guards out of the jails too...you think some retired dude or off duty is going to be breaking up fights between 30-40 thugs? Good luck getting anyone to the dismissals too, can you say "sorry we're in a backlog someone will be there in an hour."
Hey 2:27am give it a rest whiner. TRU and MSF are gone and not coming back. Both units together could never compare with TF back in the day. You have plate readers...we had hotsheets. You have asps...we had blackjacks. You have squadrols or cage cars...we had paddy wagons and no cages. You have AC...we rolled our windows down. You have M-4s...we brought whatever we had at home when we had riots. You want me to keep going? So give it a rest. Your unit was disbanded as was ours years ago. Get over it and move on. You sound like a suburban kid with college. Maybe Walmart is hiring security guards? Career change?
When it comes down to which schools get police, watch how all of a sudden clouted Whitney Young becomes a threat. Don't know what other magnet schools are around the city, but W-Y doesn't even have detention. They're last suspension was 1992.
It's all legit.
Figure CPS spends $25 mil to CPD, every district will have to pull 4 officers from schools. Then there's the HQ liason...
I can hear the crying now, just like CAPS dollies.
As far as a new School Patrol, can't recall how many times I had to do paper & transports from Prosser and Steinmetz because that Unit was unavailable.
The HQ bean counters are going over the event numbers now and trying to see which schools need police full time. 2 -3 case reports or disturbances a day won't cut it. Expect the calls to increase as summer school progresses.
We must save the children.
To 0348 speaking of schools why the fuck is your grammar so poor? You must be a product of these shithole schools u speak of. Please enroll in a remedial writing course and and while u are at it please buy a dictionary amd learn how to spell
sure, cut the 2 POs in the school.
Most times there are at least 10 beat officers tied up at each school anyway.
Go by ANY CPS high school at closing, you have to have a sea of blue, otherwise these "young folks" would just rape, pilage and burn eveything they could find.
Just look at all the school violance now.
YES!
All the school officers should be reassigned to alderman's Burke's and Daley's house.
These grown men need their protection from the falling crime rate in this city don't you know?
It's pretty scary living in a mansion in the slums.
When you're a millionaire everyone wants to take your stuff. The stress has to be enormous.
So to hell with the kids -- they can't even vote yet -- so what good are they?
The only thing that the kids are good for is the ability to parade them in front of the media camera's as tools when you want to win the so-called hearts and minds of the taxpayers for tax increases.
Oh it's not their fault..just look at these overcrowded classrooms the politicians created with their "Sanctuary City" policies.
They don't have to pay for it -- we do!
Yeah the kids are good for that and for the somewhat regular playground shooting / photo ops where the political apparatus comes to hand out pamphlets, and bulletins and campaign buttons, telling you to be careful, but not so careful as to stop spending your money at the businesses that provide their campaign contributions...
Fear is a powerful motivator.
Youth officers
I just retired after 42 as a CPS teacher. If only they had listened to teachers
At least two police officers who students murdered might be alive. One total piece
Of nitrogenous waste killed a cop on the 79th st bus. Another one murdered
an officer not long ago around 87th and California. The trouble is not that of the youth officers
Or most teachers. it is the school administration that tries to cry all is well and
overlook serious behavior . Where do you think flash mobs honed their skills?
They have been perfected by hundreds of unreported attacks in the hallways of
school. If a school officer does their job and don’t hide it can be a dangerous
assignment. Also why not put officers where the action is and enforce the laws
no matter what the principal wants
GEU school team is made up for the goof sgt KB. Leo's buddie. K.B is a fuck up and needed to be put somewhere and that would be able to justify a take home car. The other goof's there are made up of guys that wanted to leave GEU but Leo didn't want them to leave. So Leo created this and offered this to guys that wanted to leave to keep them in GEU. You know weekends off and straight days. Leo will do anything to make it look like no one wants to leave that unit!
Nah, just the only ones that need officers are austin, michelle clark, douglas, orr....
No...they don't.
CPS schools have their own Internal Security division.
Train them to write ANOV's and Parkers. Let them police their own buildings.
Let them deal with the stupid Parents that think they are entitled to do whatever they want because they happen to be picking up or dropping off their Honor students.
08:43:00 is absolutely correct.
And Cawley is a carpetbagging puke. You really care, asshole? Move into the City like the rest of us. What a piece of shit.
If only parents took the responsibility for their offsprings we wouldn't need any officers at schools.....dream on. Until then just take a ride at dismisal time by Julian, Fenger, Harlen or Morgan Park H.s. to name a few, and see for yourself.
7/04/2011 09:44:00 AM
Geez when I went to Bogan we never needed the npolice at dismissal or during the day......another time, another place
4 high schools in 017 district. equal 8 Officers.... plus 4 to 6 school security..plus 2 to 3 cars down at dismassal.....
I can't speak for the other districts school cars, but ours in 024 are useless. They serve no purpose other than to scream for more cars on the radio when the natives get restless, then refuse to contribute anything towards processing all the little darlings that they INSIST "need to go". And hey, if they dumped 2 from one high school in every district, that'd be 50 more cops that Rahm can say he "put back on the street"--what's that make 700? This guy is a miracle worker!!!
Goodbye days and weekends off.Most of them are political favors and suck asses who are afraid to work the street.
I work in the burbs as the police and our school officer is worth his weight in gold. Not only does he handle all the problems in the school, he obtains useful intel on the problems that happen on the street and yes the school also has their own security with a couple of retired coppers, who we know and trust. This is just one man's opinion from a small department.
I work in a district in Area 2 where there's four public high schools, and I can tell you our school officers are a joke. If and when there's an arrest, they call for a tact team to handle it, because they were in the middle of a movie or a good solitaire game and can't be bothered. The Sgt isn't much better as he sees the need to down no less than 4 cars at dismissal time! This puts the district in an unnecessary backlog and deprives the decent taxpaying citizens the police service they pay dearly for.
I'd love to see all these prima donas end up on beat cars and actually have to work a Saturday and Sunday.
Anonymous Anonymous said...
Has there been any stats or reports on if disbanding MSF and TRU to work beat cars is helping? Have any of the seven districts really seen a drop in crime? What do the commanders really think of having groups of unhappy POs working for them?
7/04/2011 02:27:00 AM
Hey listen up dummy, MSF and TRU are over. Done. Finished. Kaput. Do you get it? No one cares if you are happy or unhappy. You get paid to do your job. So do your job.
I went to public high school in the 70's we had off duty police if i remember correctly
Each HS should be looked at seperately on a "as needed" basis.....and when the school that the officers are assigned are not in session put into a d.o.g group to work the weekends.....and I dont care if the board wants you at special training....
Ahhh yes, the hamster wheel of political sentiment; an unsolvable paradox.
We identify a pressing need (such as, the need for officers in schools), then we take action to fix the problem (in this case, actually putting officers in schools).
Once the problem has been addressed and mitigated, it's no longer at the forefront of our minds, so we start to forget why we spend money on it. We then demand it be cut... Then, once there is no effective solution in place anymore, the same old problem naturally arises once again and we repeat the process, all the while asking ourselves "why".
Perhaps school details are a hidey-hole for the favored and the do-nothings. I don't know, nor do I give a shit. All I know is that I want a taxpayer funded gunman inside every school to, at the very minimum, act as a speedbump until the cavalry arrives, should a 'worst case scenario' arise.
This is Chicago, and it's the year 2011. Keep cops in the schools.
Reading the response by 3:48AM it seems that a distinct lack of schooling is evident in the horrible writing by that poster. What an ignorant fuck with the shockingly poor grammar and sentence structure on display.
7/04/2011 06:42:00 AM
Please tell me you were trying to be ironic.
forget msf or tru... the district is freaking alot better at least know what ur getting. you do a cupple jobs..write your tickets and anov's for safe city and ur all good..
another down sizing of the police department.. whats the fop saying now.we keep on losing spots and being replaced by security guards and tma's..
"...these school already have school security who should handle the schools..."
C'mon. You know the whole "security" racket is just that; a racket.
That's like dressing someone up in a turn-out coat and a fire helmet but giving them no fire hose or extingusher and expecting them to fight fires. What's he going to do, scare the fire away?
If they're serious about protecting students from threats originating inside or outside the school, they need armed personnel.
"The STUPID kids who don't understand how to avoid being crushed by a car by looking both ways before entering a crosswalk, will probably be a burden on society for the rest of their lives anyway.
The STUPID drivers who mow down pedestrians or school kids who are legally crossing a street in the crosswalk can't be stopped by a Crossing Guard anyway."
True but alas, government thinks it exists to protect the lowest common denominators in our society. Why do you think it says "Caution: Beverage May Be Hot" on fast food coffee cups?
And those signs on side streets that warn you "Slow Children Playing"? They speak for themselves.
"Ask Carother's.
He seems to have a handle on how much crime there is in the 007th Dist.!!!!!"
That's only because he's so "hands on!"
Anonymous said...
What's the difference between pulling officers out of the district to be assigned to a school unit and assigning officers in the district to a school? Those officers are still not on regular patrol. Even if there is a school unit they would still assign 2-4 patrol cars (depending on the district) to school dismissals every day. It's ridiculous. CPS should hire and maintain there OWN security.
7/04/2011 01:13:00 AM
THEY DO! The CPS reimburse CPD for the cost (salary) of every officer, sergeant, and at times, a lieutenant assigned to the high schools. Reimbursement also covers the district's '04 cars.
Signed: former CPS liaison sgt.
7/04/2011 06:52:00 AM
They don't reimburse CPD for the 3-4 BEAT cars that are assigned to the school and around the school at dismissal time all across the city , do they?
@ 9:34AM,
If the LINK card parents are there everyday at dismissal...they are likely unemployed or working part-time which will give them more food stamps. I worked in that area for 2 yrs buddy. You'd be amazed that the majority of our clients worked...albeit low-paying jobs but work nonetheless. Stick to a topic you understand. Cats that aren't afraid to pop you with the police at the school won't be afraid of your mommy picking you up.
Who cares, In summary they'll pull us out, something big will happen, people will demand more police presence in said school resulting in police being put back in. Hakuna Matata, circle of life.
Let the carnage begin in these CPS slaughter houses that the Progressives call schools.
If it were possible to discpline CPS students quickly and summarily, if the students actually feared offending their teachers, none of this would be necessary.
Instead, CPS discipline works like 26th Street. Show up, nothing happens. Lawyers get involved. Show up, nothing happens. Then, finally, when everyone is exhausted, they'll get together the gumption to slap Junior on the wrist, and send him back to terrorize the rest of the student body.
In the 3rd district we have 3 officers @ Hyde park hs. Then when we come out of the early roll call, they have us join half of the 2nd watch to go from the school down to 67th st or from stony to Maryland. What a waste
What about the 3 guys in Hyde park & the three 10-4 school cars
If they're serious about protecting students from threats originating inside or outside the school, they need armed personnel.
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If they were really serious about protecting those students they would expel the threats. Probably no more than 10 % of the "students" would need to be expelled to protect the rest.
Each HS should be looked at seperately on a "as needed" basis.....and when the school that the officers are assigned are not in session put into a d.o.g group to work the weekends.....and I dont care if the board wants you at special training....
7/04/2011 09:11:00 PM
When school is out of session is when school officers get their furloughs. They can fill in on a car or the desk or the lockup the other couple of weeks, but they're really not that available as extra bodies.
Also, most schools aren't 'out of session' anymore, anyway. Summer school goes eight out of the ten weeks of summer 'vacation', and the little darlings need policing then, too.
public schools where shitbirds attend, most definatly 2 officers. i say they actually need about 4 or 6 to be safe
Geez when I went to Bogan we never needed the npolice at dismissal or during the day......another time, another place
7/04/2011 05:48:00 PM
another century.
How come Br. Rice, McCauley, Marist don't need cops in the halls? Maybe because a timely phone call to the FATHER at home will work up an ass kickin that resets the students priorities.
It sounds as if most of the commentors have no idea of what goes on inside these schools on a daily basis; or what school officers do. I started in the old School Patrol Unit in '91. This was before metal detectors, uniform policy and ID's. I won't name the school, but we got at least one gun per week; not mention various other weapons and drugs. Whenever outside units need info and intel regarding gangs and crime involving students; they come staight to us. Lets face it, most of the crime that is being commited is being commited by school age teens. I ask you , what better way to solve and prevent crime than to interact with these teens at school as opposed to pulling them over on the street in you squadcar. The amount of crime inside schools has decreased a bit since'91, but I belive that is a testament to having Officers in the high schools. I think that a great deal of you all, that have posted comments, have no idea how it used to be in the schools. To me it seems a lot of the comments come from the small minded, envious and misinformed (HATERS!!!)who would jump to the chance to work in the schools if givin the option to.
Anonymous said...
It's been long enough, TRU and MSF are History!! Put a fork in it, quit talking about it, you are like the Sat. Teams and SOS. History. Enough said. Now do your job and SHUT UP!!
7/04/2011 09:15:00 AM
You shut up. So they had a nice gig and got fucked. I would like to get something nice someday. You sound like your bad ass loves the district well enjoy it. I think writting reports all day for the professional under/class sucks. If that makes me a dog in your eyes I could give a fuck. Now go do your job beat off.
The school officer attention creates such a nice diversion away from the failure of the Mayor to act on the number of alderman bodyguards doesn't it?
From the Suntimes:
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Since 2009, CPS had been paying the Chicago Police Department $8 million a year to station two police officers at roughly 100 high schools for eight hours a school day. That breaks down to roughly $80,000 per school.
The deal did not accurately … reflect the real cost of police services and supervision, which the police department has insisted for years is closer to $25 million. That’s roughly $250,000 per high school...
http://www.suntimes.com/news/6354513-417/cops-should-patrol-schools-not-sit-around-mayor-says.html
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Hey you do the math. If certain alderman have six officers assigned to them how much is that costing the taxpayers?! $750,000?
And how much is the ex-mayors security detail costing the taxpayers if his detail is getting compensated at the Sargent level or above?
I'll wager that if someone was to do a forensic audit on these personal political body guards and drivers we find that we're spending almost half as much that is being spent on the entire public school system -- for just a handful of people!
Instead of threatening to fire over 600 city workers how about starting with the number of aldermen that we need and their security apparatus that they feel they need.
We're sick of this double talk Ralm. Crime has been falling in Chicago for how many years in a row now according to your numbers?
Yet people are allowed to hang-on to old out of date perks because it's an old tribal custom?
Uh-ah. The city is a financial disaster. Cut the number of aldermen and cut the security for them. At least the schools are paying for the protection which is more than we can say for the three -quarters of a million or more being spent on one alderman.
Welcome to the 21st century austerity. Man up!
Just fyi...CPS refunds capital utilized within school police model. As a school administrator, I am very grateful for the dedicated work of our school police. I would call it crime prevention. In response to a few of the officers, the school officers at my high school are social workers, counselors, parents, and teachers to our kids. It takes a village. Our officers are busy all day working to help protect our kids, sometimes from themselves. You have no idea how much they prevent on a daily basis. As a daughter of a CPD family, I thank all of you for all that you do. The high schools are difficult and we would not be able to do it without the continued support of CPD.
"Probably no more than 10 % of the 'students' would need to be expelled to protect the rest."
Don't school districts receive state funding based on how many students are in attendance?
If that is the case, CPS is clearly willing to take the risk.
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